From Miguel Marquez, CNN
Los Angeles (CNN) - Lily Dionne had been in Hollywood a week when she answered an ad on Craigslist looking for actors for an action-adventure film called "Desert Warrior."
Now, Dionne says she feels betrayed by the California filmmaker who turned the low budget-movie with a threadbare plot into an anti-Islam film that provoked outrage - with sometimes violent results - in parts of the Muslim world.
When news broke that violent mobs attacked the U.S. consulate in the Libyan city of Benghazi, leaving Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans dead, she was overwhelmed.
"I was shaking when I found out. I had no idea," Dionne told CNN on Sunday. "This was a movie that I thought no one would ever see."
Dionne knew the filmmaker as Sam Bacile. But federal officials say his name is Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, a convicted felon with a history of using aliases to hide his actions.
Every time you feed it a bridge collapses.
i love it
Prayer changes things.
You're a proven LIAR. Prayer does not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.
An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.
The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!
I'm sorry, "Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things", but your assertions regarding atheism and prayer are unfounded. The degree to which your assertions may represent correct statements is 0.0. To help you understand the degree to which your assertions may represent correct statements, I will access my Idiomatic Expression Equivalency module (IEE). Using my IEE module, the expression that best matches the degree to which your assertions may represent correct statements is: "TOTAL FAIL, DUDE".
I see that you repeat these unfounded statements with high frequency. Perhaps the following book might help you overcome this problem:
I'm Told I Have Dementia: What You Can Do... Who You Can Turn to...
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Only by Hindu absurdity of a Hindu, Hindu and pagan. Filthy Christian Captain Crunch dog. Filthy pagan islam pig dog. Filthy Randy Jackson dog. Filthy hebrew national beef dog. Filthy Ron Jeremy foot-long dog. NO DOGS!!! Who let them be out? Quran means nothing else but path of triple abdullah absolute quantified. please visit ahmadinebinpaid.com/blog.html and click on word Choice to open file. But turn virus protection off before.
The eyes are the mirror to the soul. Love, joy, peace are attributes of the soul that separate us from the soulless. even now science is brushing the mysteries of regeneration, noting that the very essence of who and what we are are recorded in every single cell. Due to overwhelming evidence and the prayerful revelations of each new discovery I am right because almighty God is right.
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@ hinduism blahblah you suck
Have you disproved the existence of Zeus yet? Still waiting on that you praddling twit. Go ahead quote a book, I have one too.
I got so fed up with "hinduism" s crap that I mis spelled "prattling" ...so sorry. Yooz must have higher standards.
Again, religionists of all stripes, I ask you, please DIS prove the existence of Zeus, or else you're all just prattling on about nonsense...don't quote a book to do it, I want EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE THAT ZEUS DOES NOT EXIST! Cuz I got books I can quote from too. YoozYerBrain, or it doesn't count!
ps- i heard that from god ha ha hahahahahahahahahaha ;-D
Hey mustards, you're all fu*ked up in the head.
It's really best for all people including children to have an agnostic approach to god, and an atheistic approach to all religion. It keeps things simple for kids, and lets them be all that they can be. They just need to be taught that some things, like all religion, were just made up by salesmen and politicians from long ago. (Yes, charlatan folklore and spam started long before the Bible; what would make you think they hadn't?) And they need to be taught that other things, like God, we really don't know a damn thing about.
Atheists have strong minds and don't need a religion. Many religious folk have the best intentions. But too often, religious folk run and hide their misdeeds within their religion (and by doing so, they disserve society). And too often, religious folk are easily offended when someone mocks their make-believe characters – and, as we can see they can get really CRAZY!
Although there are many religious folk with good intentions – some selflessly helping others, religions and religious organizations are, as a whole, just big old clubs – each trying to out do each other and inspiring hate and division (often disguised as love) along the way. The problem is that people too easily buy into religion and don't realize how unfounded it all is. And when they buy into it, they buy into a lot of really old, really weird tenets that are nothing but harmful for the human species.
Of course Islam is a crazy religion. But look at Christianity. Just look at all the things that Christians argue about amongst themselves today – abortion, men's and women's roles in the church, celibacy, contraception, acceptance of gays, etc. Most of these issues have their roots in the conflicted, unfounded tenets of early Christianity. Non-Mormons harp on Joseph Smith these days. But we really don't have any more proof at all to believe that Paul, the self-proclaimed "apostle" was anything more than an ordinary man who needed to make up religious "sales literature" to survive and spread his own personal beliefs. And yet a good chunk of the NT is attributed to Paul and accepted by many Christians. And a lot of what he wrote about has to do with many of the issues I mentioned above that have Christians fighting amongst themselves hundreds of years later. I don't buy any of it.
Get a good cup of tea, and sit down and collect your thoughts. If you find it helpful to pray to a god (something you know nothing about), fine. But it is really healthier for the mind to leave behind all the characters that people over the centuries have invented or given powers to, for which there is little or no foundation. Because with those invented characters and powers – that's where division and hate join the little party in your mind. That's where, in your mind, you are inheriting the division and hate from ordinary politicians, lobbyists and salesmen from long ago.
You lose creditably as soon as you beginning to define Islam as a crazy Religion. Tolerance and Co-Existence can not be achieved with such language. Especially since the groups doing these protest are small in number. Of course the News Media will not show the counter protest but its cool that they have folks like you twisted around their fingers. :)
In case you missed the overall theme of my post, Mark, it would be that regardless of the existence of deities, all religion in my view is unfounded. Maybe I didn't call Christianity crazy, but I assure you, I think it is. And for anyone to be hoodwinked by any religion is craziness IMHO.
What is sad about your position is the underlying desire to spread godlessness. The existence of modern man has never known an extended period of godlessness except by a minority of peoples. Your willingness to risk the future of our children and our children’s children to an unknown and untested global social structure modeled after Stalin and Mao (known failed models) suggests foolishness or evil but certainly not a mamma of kindness.
fred said – "your position is the underlying desire to spread godlessness"
I don't agree with your equating atheism with any regimes that have existed in the past. But regardless, your statement I copied above does not reflect what I said, so I suggest you re-read what I wrote. What I wrote was primarily about religion pretending to know about God, when in my opinion, it knows nothing about whatever deity might be there. That is not godlessness. If you had said my goal was to end all religion, then I would agree with you.
@fred: and my handle here is kindless, not kindness. that's not by accident. when you're trying to keep the sheep from wandering off where they shouldn't go to eat the poisonous root vegetables (where they will wind up poisoning their milk, and, in the end, you), then you need a stick or something to keep the dumb things in line – there's no time for kindness with that.
Certainly religion gets it wrong and mans ways creep into whatever scripture is the foundation. The issue is that all we have known is a God based world view (mixed up as it is). Teaching our children to be agnostic or atheist that is very different than bringing them up in the way of God. This was the way of communist Russia and Mao. China has dropped the way of Mao and Russia remains filled with atheists at the leadership levels. There is a void created when God is removed as witnessed by North Korea and now throughout the world as Islam moves to fill the void.
During our depression in the U.S. it was the kind acts and hearts of men that still clung onto the promise of God which brought us through. We do not know how an atheist or agnostic America would have handled starvation. If all we have is ourselves and the government for reference points we create a world that we have never experienced. I find it an unnecessary risk.
>>>>"Maybe I didn't call Christianity crazy, but I assure you, I think it is."
...and the 700 Club crowd believes that Atheist are crazy for not believing that they believe should and the Taliban believes basically the same.
Then there are those in the Middle who just do not want to get killed when yall' on the extremes start shooting.
I am asking this on alot of religious threads as I am curious to see if anyone has a valid answer. No matter what religious text you believe in be it the Bible, Quran, Torah why is it possible for them to be so misconstued? What I would expect to find in a book written by or inspired by the word of an all knowing creator is no matter what your background, inteligence or any other factor by the end of that book, everyone should come away with the same message. Not trying to be insulting, just curious.
Because ALL religious texts are written over decades (and sometimes centuries)
Each rewrite or addition (and indeed subtractions) are designed to achieve an objective relative to the point the changes are made, REAGARDLESS of the impact on the previous dogma.
Think of a class room of autistic children playing post office (This is government)
Then imagine the same group, with a few charlatans with personal agendas, and a sprinkling of madmen thrown into the mix, dispersed at random intervals within the rank of the autistic students. This is religion!
A CLASSIC example is the first commandment. Ask 1000 Christians and Jews what it is, and you will get two separate answers about an equal number of times.
Some will say thou shall not kill, and some will say thou shall not murder.
Each of them are PROFOUNDLY different things that are considered the most basic commandment, yet we can't even agree on that one!
This is because religion is used to control behavior, and sometimes murder is necessary, and sometimes it is undesirable
Here are a few possibilities:
1. We don't want to understand. We misconstrue because what we really want is not a God who guides us but a metaphysical errand boy to make life better for us. It's best to allow God to be God and not insist He fit our design for Him.
2. The text is "alive". Some parts of it may not speak to one as clearly as others depending on spiritual conditioning, situational perspective or preconceived bias. It's ok to ask "What does this mean to me?" and to come back again later for new meaning.
3. We often spend more time trying to apply it to others instead of plumbing the depths for our own edification. More advancement is possible if we do not concern ourselves with where others are in their process.
4. It is meant to be unfathomable. If it were ultimately decipherable, it would present an absolute. As it is, it remains a constant source of new life. Mystery is part of life, religion must be open to that reality
Others may have different thoughts.
The first commandment is:
Have no other God's before me
The sixth is:
Shall not kill.
So worshiping God is a higher priority in your faith than killing?
You statement PROVES exactly what I mean.
And Bill if thous shall not kill, why does the Bible ALSO tell you to kill?
The Jews believe it is thou shall not murder.
Makes more sense, yet you Christians want to change it, AND then you want to ignore it.
Whats up with that?
I think William's follow up posts illustrate a couple of my points. He's more interested in what I think it means so he can argue it's validity than applying it to himself. Perhaps he deliberately quoted the sixth commandment as the first in order to create a controversy? But to answer his direct question, yes the first commandment dictates the supremacy of God, the sixth prohibits killing.
Killing or murder Bill? Do you even grasp the difference between the two?
For example the death penalty. I am sure you support it. Why?
It seems ot os YOU who wants to interperet his meaning. The men who wrote it (The Jews) know damn well what it meant (any Yeshiva graduate will confirm it is murder in it's original context), and point out God says killing is QUITE appropriate in dozens of situations.
It seems your understanding of the "rules" are subjective and relative to your situation.
Thats called situational ethics, and it is what the Christian Right rail against every day!
Of course I don't apply it to myself.
My moral code predates your savior and even Abraham himself, and I am not dependent on Bronze Age goat herders to teach me right from wrong
The message of the Bible, Quran and Torah is straight forward and clear. Have you read them? The message is that there is one God our creator. Let’s start with that one ….is that your understanding from the written word? The purpose and meaning of life flows from our creator…………..is that your understanding? We follow and obey God because there is none greater than God or more knowing than God our creator as to what is best for the creation……….is that your understanding? There exists good and evil in this world where evil is the result of rejecting God……is that your understanding.
All who truly seek God with all their being will find the presence of God………is that your understanding?
I think God did just what you are asking.
some of the books, if not singling out Qurans, would not make a book review in my local news paper. How in the hell we can say these books were written or guided by some super humans we call them Gods or Allah?
How about the Iliad would that be worthy of your library?
The fist chapter of Genesis is the perhaps the most acclaimed writing known to man. This is not worthy? In one chapter the fullness of God (exists or not is irrelevent), the world we know and mans place for all eternity is completely defined. No one has been able to construct such a writting in such condensed form in over 3,400 years. That is why billions of copys of the Bible are in circulation.
As to the Quran it is a patchwork from the Torah and early Christian writtrings written by of all peoples those who the Bible warned would war against Israel and the chosen of God. It was written 1,200 to 2,100 years after its source.
A peaceful, safe and easy solution to the situation for everyone involved:
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From the studies of Armstrong, Rushdie, Hirsi Ali, Richardson and Bayhaqi----–
The Five Steps To Deprogram 1400 Years of Islamic Myths:
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Are you ready?
Using "The 77 Branches of Islamic "faith" a collection compiled by Imam Bayhaqi as a starting point. In it, he explains the essential virtues that reflect true "faith" (iman) through related Qur’anic verses and Prophetic sayings." i.e. a nice summary of the Koran and Islamic beliefs.
The First Five of the 77 Branches:
"1. Belief in Allah"
aka as God, Yahweh, Zeus, Jehovah, Mother Nature, etc. should be added to your self-cleansing neurons.
"2. To believe that everything other than Allah was non-existent. Thereafter, Allah Most High created these things and subsequently they came into existence."
Evolution and the Big Bang or the "Gi-b G-nab" (when the universe starts to recycle) are more plausible and the "akas" for Allah should be included if you continue to be a "crea-tionist".
"3. To believe in the existence of angels."
A major item for neuron cleansing. Angels/de-vils are the mythical creations of ancient civilizations, e.g. Hitt-ites, to explain/define natural events, contacts with their gods, big birds, sudden winds, protectors during the dark nights, etc. No "pretty/ug-ly wingy thingies" ever visited or talked to Mohammed, Jesus, Mary or Joseph or Joe Smith. Today we would classify angels as f–airies and "tin–ker be-lls". Modern de-vils are classified as the de-mons of the de-mented.
"4. To believe that all the heavenly books that were sent to the different prophets are true. However, apart from the Quran, all other books are not valid anymore."
Another major item to delete. There are no books written in the spirit state of Heaven (if there is one) just as there are no angels to write/publish/distribute them. The Koran, OT, NT etc. are simply books written by humans for humans.
Prophets were invented by ancient scribes typically to keep the un-educated masses in line. Today we call them for-tune tellers.
Prophecies are also invali-dated by the natural/God/Allah gifts of Free Will and Future.
"5. To believe that all the prophets are true. However, we are commanded to follow the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) alone."
Mohammed spent thirty days "fasting" (the Ramadan legend) in a hot cave before his first contact with Allah aka God etc. via a "pretty wingy thingy". Common sense demands a neuron deletion of #5. #5 is also the major source of Islamic vi-olence i.e. turning Mohammed's "fast, hunger-driven" hallu-cinations into horrible reality for unbelievers.
Walk these Five Steps and we guarantee a complete recovery from your Islamic ways!!!!
Unfortunately, there are not many Muslim commentators/readers on this blog so the "two-minute" cure is not getting to those who need it. If you have a Muslim friend, send him a copy and help save the world.
Analogous steps are available at your request for deprogramming the myths of Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism and Paganism..
آمنة وسهلة الحل للوضع لجميع المعنيين:
فقط لأعضاء جدد،
من دراسات ارمسترونغ، رشدي، علي هيرسي، والبيهقي ريتشاردسون ----–
الخطوات الخمس لأبطل تأثير الخرافات من 1400 سنة الإسلامي:
(-اتخاذ خطوات أقل من دقيقتين إلى دقيقة، والانتهاء ببساطة مذهلة-سنتين إلى إحلال السلام والعقلانية لأكثر من مليار نسمة، فقد لا تقدر بثمن!)
هل أنت مستعد؟
استخدام "الفروع الإسلامية 77 من" الإيمان "مجموعة الإمام البيهقي جمعتها كنقطة انطلاق. في ذلك، وهو ما يفسر الفضائل الأساسية التي تعكس صحيح" الإيمان "(إيمان) من خلال الآيات القرآنية وأحاديث نبوية ذات الصلة." أي ملخصا لطيفة من المعتقدات الإسلامية والقرآن الكريم.
والخمسة الأولى من الفروع 77:
"1، والإيمان بالله"
وينبغي أن يضاف الملقب كما الله، الرب، زيوس، الرب، الطبيعة الأم، وما إلى ذلك لالخلايا العصبية الذاتية التطهير الخاص.
"2. وإذا ما تصورنا أن كل شيء غير الله كان غير موجود. بعد ذلك، خلق الله العلي هذه الأمور لاحقا وجاء إلى حيز الوجود."
التطور والانفجار الكبير أو "غي ب G-NAB" (عندما يبدأ الكون لإعادة تدوير) هي أكثر قبولا وينبغي إدراج "المندرجة" في سبيل الله إذا كنت لا تزال تشكل "CREA-tionist".
"3. إلى الاعتقاد في وجود الملائكة".
A بندا رئيسيا لتطهير الخلايا العصبية. الملائكة / دي vils-الإبداعات الأسطورية هي من الحضارات القديمة، على سبيل المثال Hitt خائبي، لشرح / تحديد الأحداث الطبيعية، والاتصالات مع آلهتهم، والطيور الكبيرة، والرياح المفاجئة، وحماة في ليالي الظلام، وما إلى ذلك لا "جميلة / UG-لاي ثينجيس افسح المجال ل" أو بزيارة أي وقت مضى تحدث إلى محمد، يسوع، مريم أو جوزيف سميث أو جو. اليوم سوف نصنف الملائكة كما airies-F و "كير القصدير يكون LLS-". وتصنف الحديثة دي vils كما دي مونس هيئة اجتثاث mented.
"4. إذا ما تصورنا أن جميع الكتب السماوية التي تم إرسالها إلى الأنبياء مختلفة صحيحا، ولكن بصرف النظر عن القرآن الكريم، كل الكتب الأخرى غير صالحة بعد الآن."
آخر بندا رئيسيا في حذفها. لا توجد كتب في ولاية روح السماء (إن وجد) كما لا توجد الملائكة لكتابة / نشر / توزيعها. القرآن، OT، NT وما هي ببساطة كتب من قبل البشر للبشر.
اخترعت من قبل الأنبياء الكتبة القديمة عادة للحفاظ على الجماهير من الامم المتحدة والمتعلمين في الصف. اليوم ونحن ندعو لهم مقابل لحن فرز الأصوات.
كما نبوءات invali مؤرخة من قبل الهدايا الطبيعية / الله / الله من الإرادة الحرة والمستقبل.
"5. لنعتقد أن جميع الأنبياء صحيحة، ولكن ونحن أمرنا اتباع النبي محمد (عليه الصلاة والسلام
صلى الله عليه وسلم) وحده. "
قضى محمد ثلاثين يوما "الصيام" (أسطورة رمضان) في كهف الساخن قبل لقاءه الأول مع الله ويعرف أيضا باسم الله وما إلى ذلك من خلال "افسح المجال ل ثينغي جميلة". الحس السليم يتطلب حذف الخلايا العصبية من رقم 5. # 5 هو أيضا المصدر الرئيسي للالاسلامي VI-olence أي تحول محمد "سريع والجوع يحركها" hallu-cinations إلى واقع فظيع لغير المؤمنين.
المشي هذه الخطوات الخمس ونحن نضمن انتعاش الكامل من طرقك الإسلامية!!
للأسف، لا توجد العديد من المعلقين مسلم / القراء على هذا بلوق لذلك "لمدة دقيقتين" هو عدم الحصول على علاج لأولئك الذين في حاجة إليها. إذا كان لديك صديق مسلم، وإرسال نسخة منه وتساعد في إنقاذ العالم.
خطوات مماثلة متوفرة في طلبك للحصول على deprogramming الأساطير المسيحية واليهودية والبوذية والهندوسية
SEVERE BULL SH IT ALERT
This is the worst BS – gosh I hope the drug store is not out of Ovide again. These things are driving me batty.
Note the second line: "Only for the new members." Older members hopefully know how to use the scroll bar.
Only for those who are "reading-challenged":
SAVING 1.5 BILLION LOST MUSLIMS:
THERE NEVER WERE AND NEVER WILL BE ANY ANGELS I.E. NO GABRIEL, NO ISLAM AND THEREFORE NO MORE KORANIC-DRIVEN ACTS OF HORROR AND TERROR LIKE 9/11.
SAVING 2 BILLION LOST CHRISTIANS:
THERE WERE NEVER ANY BODILY RESURRECTIONS AND THERE WILL NEVER BE ANY BODILY RESURRECTIONS I.E. NO EASTER, NO CHRISTIANITY.
SAVING 15.5 MILLION FOLLOWERS OF JUDAISM:
ABRAHAM AND MOSES PROBABLY NEVER EXISTED.
قط لأولئك الذين "القراءة التي تواجه تحديات":
إنقاذ 1.5 مليار LOST المسلمين:
لم توجد قط ولن تكون أبدا أي IE ANGELS NO GABRIEL، الإسلام NO NO MORE، وبالتالي القرآنية يحركها ACTS من الرعب والإرهاب LIKE 9/11.
إنقاذ 2 مليار المسيحيين المفقودة:
كان خاليا الجسدية والإحياء لن يكون هناك أي الإحياء بالجسد، IE NO عيد الفصح، NO المسيحية.
إنقاذ 15.5 مليون أتباع اليهودية:
إبراهيم وموسى ربما لم تكن موجودة
OK, so let's review . . .
The U.S.A. was founded on freedom, not on any religion. Despite any personal tendencies, the founders ratified a Consti'tution with its very first amendment that protects from religion meddling in the affairs of government. Pretty simple. Enforcing the law of the country has always been a challenge, but we are moving in the right direction every day. A good example of this is when, in 2005, the Supreme Court issued a decision concerning official display of the Ten Commandments in a Kentucky county courthouse. It recognized that the Ten Commandments is "an unmistakably religious statement dealing with religious obligations and with morality subject to religious sanction." The Court ultimately decided that the display was unconst!tutional, and was to be removed.
What does that have to do with this?
RL – It really is a reply to Apropros just below, which I have relocated. But with some of the things I see people writing, it's a good reminder to all.
Fraud is what rethuglicans want to be able to do every day of the week, especially on Sundays.
So Muslim Friday prayers do not register in your book. So we see who you really have a ax grind with.
Let it go dude, find another way.
Nope. I for one will not let it go, Mark, when repub. christards keep pushing their agenda to reverse or restrict the 1st amendment when now, more than ever, it needs more enforcement and application.
Can you show us where the movement to repeal the first amendment is?
David Barton's Wallbuilders is a good place to start. He is clearly at war with the doctrine of separation.
WallBuilders' goal is to exert a direct and positive influence in government, education, and the family by (1) educating the nation concerning the Godly foundation of our country; (2) providing information to federal, state, and local officials as they develop public policies which reflect Biblical values; and (3) encouraging Christians to be involved in the civic arena.
Personally, I do not see this as any kind of attempt to repeal the first amendment. Christians have a moral imperative to engage the democratic process. That they do so from a Biblical perspective is not a construct for theocracy. It merely means they are bringing their values to the debate.
Bill Deacon, it becomes an issue when those Christian (and any other group), attempt to create, change, or influence public policy that infringes on my Rights, think Abortions, Ga-y Marriage, Public School Prayer and other actions that affect the public at large.
Wallbuilders: " . .the Godly foundation of our country . ."
@Bill Deacon: Well being that they lie right off the bat, and you seem blind to that, then we wouldn't expect you to recognize any other part of their agenda.
I have no argument with your beliefs but you are being transparently argumentative here. Barton is a con-man of the worst order.
The "Godly foundation of our country" is contemporary Christian apologia. There is no liberal conspiracy to recast the founders as atheists. You no doubt were taught in your formative years that the founders were men of the enlightenment. They created a secular country, based on the doctrine of separation where the government neither dictates religious expression and nor does it espouse religious belief. You know full well that this is what Barton and his cronies are trying to change.
I have no argument with GOP nor Here's as I see it. I certainly understand that religious groups are very assertive in their work to influence public policy but that is not the same as a state sponsored religion and secularist that cast it as such do a disservice to their cause and risk being seen as overly dramatic. The fact is that religious people will remain active in politics. Some policies may truly infringe your freedoms others simply inhibit your choices. The one is a shade of a free society the other, the system will rectify in due time.
fair enough. There is nothing better than a democratic process with an informed electorate. Regrettably there are people who disinform and pervert democracy with monied interest. That's a price we pay for freedom of speech.
The real threat to our sovereignty is the fiat currency established in 1913 by the Federal Reserve Act and perpetuated to this day by the quantatative easing of Bernanke and associates which will ultimately render our currency as worthless as a Reichmark. Liberals as well as conservatives have tapped the national credit card to the max in order to buy votes and prop up the illusion of prosperity in this country. A unspoken core issue in the middle east and soon in the Orient is the reluctance of those cultures to inculcate the western system of banking into their societies. This process is, has and always will be the cause of war.
"He who washes the head of an ass loses both time and soap."
Lets just have the best of both worlds. Atheism and agnosticism are accepting of bacon AND multiple wives.
Actually, washing is one of the few things that is good about their beliefs. They are absolutely OCD about it.
Would anyone be surprised if this Sam Bacile made some quick cash from some republicans to "stir something up" to make the president look bad. I certainly wouldn't.
It really wouldn't take much to make the president look bad.
I believe the persident looks darn good.
He wants to get out of that end of the world at all cost.
He got us out of Libya and Iraq, and kept us out of Syria.
Once we wrop up Afghanistan, we can let them slaugther each other to their hearts content.
I agree William. I just wouldn't be surprised if the production of this film winds up being a republican smear campaign.
Obama its far better than mcain, and millions of times better than mittins would be. Want war with iran, vote romny. Want less control over banks and companies, vote romney. Want less healthcare and more financial burden on the middle class, you guessed it, vote mittins into power.
Why not just start an unsubstantiated rumor and repeat it until people think it's true? Maybe you'll get appointed czar of something.
or a pundit job on Fox.
Well BD, I heard a rumor, that you xtians are spreading rumors, about some dead guy rising up to become god. Is this rumor true? Dead people still alive? Zombie god?
I saw Him alive and well in the hearts and minds, thoughts and actions of people this weekend Tuvia. It's no rumor.
Is that kinda like how Santa is alive and well in the hearts and minds of children?
No, because children wait for gifts from Santa without any understanding. Christians embody Jesus BECAUSE of understanding.
A chlid who believes think they "understand" as well. That you claim to "understand" the supposed creator of the universe only exposes your own arrogance.
I love who children believe in Santa because they're waiting for presents – just like xtians wait for their 'present' in the afterlife. Very amusing
Well you just revealed that your knowledge of Christianity doesn't extend beyond the third grade so that makes it hard to have a real discussion. Let me simplify for you. Jesus sacrificed for us. We are now His body. We sacrifice for others. It isn't about "getting" something. It's about "giving" something. That is where the life of Christ takes us.
Now cue your rant about how no one is giving enough
Riiiiiight. You can say that heaven isn't a reward all you want, but I'm not going to buy your total B.S. But if it helps you sleep better at night, knock yourself out.
I didn't say Heaven wasn't a reward. I said, if that is the limit of your understanding about the life of Christ your are stuck in third grade theology.
what did jesus sacrifice?
I find it ironic that 21st century Christians are giving up without a fight!
Considering the religion had an iron grip over the destiny of this planet for over a thousand years, it’s humiliation and impending subjugation over the past 20 years is hilarious.
Few will admit it but it seems quite obvious the right wing Christians in the US are totally terrified of the Muslims.
I mean “wet their pants and cry for mommy terrified”. Appeasement as policy. Protection money disguised as aid, and pressure to change our basic culture and rights to mollify third world goat herders!
Who would have thought they would go out not with a bang but with a whimper?
Well, if they were intelligent and rational they wouldn't be Christians nor advocating appeasement to foreign psychotic idiots, would they?
lovely how you have it both ways. Christians who propose more conservative approaches and stronger responses to Islam are vilified as theocratic armageddonists while those who advocate tolerance and cooperative no-violence you call pansies. How nice to sit in your seat of judgement and lay it all of on Christians.
Nah Bill. you miss my point
The enemy of my enemy is my freind. Muslims and Christians are my enemies.
Therefore, you are both my enemies, but I shall be supportive of either side that is killing the other one. At thtis point the natural cowardice of the "civilized" Christians is starting to put my master plan at risk.
Civil war in the house of Abraham is the fastest way to purge his cult from our planet so stop trying to understand and just go kill a camel jockey in defense of your lords honor.
>>>"Civil war in the house of Abraham is the fastest way to purge his cult"
Or, the ones that come out winning would come out twice as strong. Think American Civil War, Cold War. But really William, are we your enemy, all of us?
Mark From Middle River
Only the males.
I have been know to succesfully rehabilitate Christian woman from time to time.
Funny, Muslims will not allow Muslim women to marry Christian men but they allow a Muslim men to marry a Christian or Jewish women. Mostly with the hope that they can convert the women to Islam. It is a very se'xist view of women that men believe that they can be easily bent to the views of males.
>>>"I have been know to succesfully rehabilitate Christian woman from time to time."
It is interesting that an Atheist shares the same view as the Taliban, is very interesting. Are you sure that you Atheist do not feel that you are a Religion. :)
Please do not as.sume that all atheist share the same views as Mr. Demuth.
I do not, after being on this Blog for almost two years, I have found that there are more moderate Atheist and Radical ones that desire the Religious version of a race war. I also know that these types exist in the Faiths and it is us in the Middle, both Atheist and Faithful, who always are caught in the cross fire of these extremist types.
I think we get the point William. After armaggedon you will be the only man left alive and all the women will fall down in worship of your mighty peenis. I think it is called delusions of grandeur coupled with fear of inadequacy
See, there you go again.
Not only do the Towel heads freak you out, it appears the non-believers who fight back alarm you as well.
The mud peoples make for strange bed fellows, but as long as they keep shaking your cage, I shall keep leaving large tips at the Falaffel stands that use the checker table cloths!
"those of us in the Middle" LOL
You are not and probably never will be in the "middle" politically or religiously so let's just cut the crap already, ok?
You are so right, William. They are so terrified that they even hooked up with a mormon, a religion they regard as totally false(as all religions are).
OR, Maybe they are voting their political values and not applying a religious test to the man. It seems as if the non-believers want to make a bigger deal out of Romney's faith than the believers do.
"It seems as if the non-believers want to make a bigger deal out of Romney's faith than the believers do."
You didn't pay attention to the primaries at all, did you, Bill?
Oh I understand you would like faith to be a dividing issue. I just don't believe it will be. When it all comes down to the final point, the question we are faced with is do we want to continue along the path of borrowing our way to prosperity and larger government or do we want to take responsibility for our debts and create a future of liberty. Sorry, I tried to say that with as little "value judgment" as I could. I think religion will inform people's conscience but most people will not, and should not, vote along religious lines.
Rogue. I am a Black Republican who was raised by a Black Panther Nationalist Father in a community that had more White Power folks than a little kid should have been exposed to. In that I un-learned that every White person was not my enemy and that every Black person was not my friend.
Also, since you have not seen any of my post and are guessing about me, I have straight friends and Gay friends. I also have attend services at a Gay and Lesbian church.
Heck, I have even driven Fords and Chevys and voted for both G.W.Bush and Bill Clinton.
...and in the last election I did not like either choice so I went fishing.....like I might do this November as well.
Trust me Rogue, the middle is the only place that ones like me are safe. But thanks for assuming you know me.
All we know of each other in this realm is one's postings.
Based on those, I see you as a Christian apologist.
Your posting above goes a long way in explaining why.
William, I do not think its aplogizing completely. It has to a balance between those on the 700 club crowd and still acknowledging the bad things folks have done in the name of Religion and Faith. I love my Faith and what it has done in the World but at the same time. Sorta like I can be proud that Obama was the first African American president at the same time many of his polcys and positions I do not agree with. Folks can hold dual positions.
@Mark from Fascist River
Having posted here for over two years, I can say I do indeed know you very well indeed.
You have a very skewed view of how things relate to each other, you squirm out of questions as much as anyone I've ever seen, you are a racist, a bigot about a great many things, and you persist in this incredibly schizophrenic view that you are the world's most wonderful "centrist" yet you occupy the center of nothing in anything you say.
Your views on race are racist, your views on religion are biased, your views on politics is extremely hard-right fascism whenever you feel like flashing your "registered Republican" card....and you always have the gall to pretend you are one of those "in the middle" when you are nothing of the sort.
My friend Janine showed you what the real "middle" looks like, Mark. I watched as she laid it all in front of you – the middle ground that is equality under the law. My jaw dropped as you threatened her and did everything but spit in her "white" face.
I was dying to jump in with my two cents, but you just aren't worth the trouble, so I let her do her thing.
Equality under the law, Mark. That is the middle because everyone who wants common ground can always, always find it in respecting the equal rights of others, which you definitely, without a question, do not do!
You're just a bigot who lacks the education and open-mindedness to realize just what a pile of garbage you've been fooled into believing. People like you are not worth talking to, Mark, because you either just don't understand simple facts and logic, or because you do and your personal agenda is to act like some apologist for a position no one occupies that far out in right field. The common ground is not way out where you are, Mark. The common ground is equality and always will be.
Janine gave up on you and told me why. You are either incredibly screwed up in the head or a total sleazeball apologist just as slimy as any I've ever seen. I gave up on you, too, but much longer ago. I told her you were messed up. She wanted to draw you out some more. She did much better than I would have thought. I guess you can't help yourself when reacting to the ladies, eh? Heh. The more you post, the easier it is to see through your lies. Maybe you don't think they are lies, but they are lies all the same...
Hey... buddy ! 8O
Hope that you are well... I know that I owe you an email. Been busy, but I'll get to ya' soon.
Leave a comment, would you? You have yet to expound on your take on things much lately, right?
This place is like a midden heap behind an encampment of Visigoths – rotten veggies and all.
Or do you save all your ass-kicking for real life?
Actually, as I mentioned in my emails... I go in phases. Recently, as in the last several days or so... you are correct in the notice of my absence.
Lots of work going on.
I just happened to notice your name as I was going by and thought I would say hello.
When I'm ready to speak out on a topic, I certainly will ... and ... I kick-ass in real life *too* ! :D
Hey, I stayed in a Holiday Express once.....! :D
" Hey, I stayed in a Holiday Express once.....! "
Say wut ?
Rogue. If you have been posting here for two years then it must be under another name. We can waste time and go into you wanting to call me a racist but all I have to do is ask you too show me such a post. While at the same time I will just show post after post and pull in folks who have been active on the Blog to show your claims to be empty and mean. I do not know your friend Janine and unless you are speaking of the week where everyone from me to TomTom had our handles used, I invite her into back up your claim and show me post and there are folks know my normal posting time, so when you are ready, I will be here waiting.
>>>”Janine gave up on you and told me why. You are either incredibly screwed up in the head or a total sleazeball apologist just as slimy as any I've ever seen. I gave up on you, too, but much longer ago. I told her you were messed up..”
Umm, dear goodness, were we all married or something? Rouge, I have exchanged with a bunch of people here. Now, lets ask this. Why would Janine have to be “told” of my post on a message blog where none of the post are private and are for all to see? Unless, it is a friend of yours and you already share email addresses. I highly doubt that you would put up an email address on an open chat. So, Rouge it sounds like this Janine is someone you already know or someone you made up.
Either way. Rogue I do not have to fight you, my posts throughout the years bear this out. Your rant is cute though but an empty rant is just an empty rant.
I do wait to see your proof of this racist side of myself, when you are ready to back up your post.
You've got race on the brain, Mark. Time to quit acting like anyone gives a crap about your skin color here.
You've got all these different chips on your shoulder, and they aren't helping you win any arguments.
You love playing the race card when you don't have a good argument – as if your skin color means anything.
Me and Janine know how to read between the lines of your knee-jerk reactions. Why should anyone bother with your demands when you love squirming your way around from having to answer straight questions?
I don't have to prove anything on this blog. Nobody else even cares anyway. Why are you even responding?
You are such a dip-shlt, Mark. That's what we hate about you. You're one of those people who have never learned to value honesty and straight-talk. You are a sleazeball and will probably never change. Who cares about you? You're just some stupid troll on the internet, kid. Your words are worthless.
I mean, seriously, the only thing you could find to try and deny is the racist thing? So you admit to all the rest? Good. :twisted:
>>>”You've got race on the brain, Mark. Time to quit acting like anyone gives a crap about your skin color here.”
Well, you are the one that called me a racist, so I think you are speaking more of yourself Rouge. But, I will play with you tonight. :)
>>>”You've got all these different chips on your shoulder, and they aren't helping you win any arguments.”
Since you failed to show all of the racist statements I posted, I think I am the “chip” on your shoulder and for some reason it seems that no matter what I post you see evil Christian Republican. Additionally, the only argument I hope to win here is to show that both sides, Atheist and the Faithful have these factions within their groups whose only desire is to pull folks apart. If I can do, like I did on a post above, and show how the same statements, almost word for word, match between all extremist....then I win each and every time because hatred is severely blind and one track. That is why you have Radical Atheist feeling we should outlaw Religion and you have Radical Christians who feel we should outlaw things such as Gay marriage and more often than not, the same verbiage is used over and over.
>>>”Me and Janine know how to read between the lines of your knee-jerk reactions. Why should anyone bother with your demands when you love squirming your way around from having to answer straight questions?”
You mean the demand that when the extremes start shooting that they try to leave us in the middle out of it. Even if you do not believe me to be sincere, unless you are on the extremes, this message...heck this plea... should resonate with you Rouge.
>>>”I don't have to prove anything on this blog.”
Ah, … that sounds familiar... I thought the standard Atheist position is that who ever makes the claim of a God or Gods is required to rationally prove it. Heck, even us Faithful are requiring Atheist to back up their claim of the non-existence of God or Gods. You have called me a racist so to be fair and I guess borrow the position of Atheist, you must prove your statement. That you have declared you do not have to just means that your making unsubstantiated claims against another. I think that is called slander. :)
>>>>”Nobody else even cares anyway. Why are you even responding?”
So, you think that I should not respond to the attack of being called a Racist? Am I not worthy enough to protect myself? On this instance I respond because even I like to occasionally “feed the Internet troll”. :) …. and you are doing well with showing what type of a person you are if you are questioning why a person will not just roll over and die when attack them.
>>>”That's what we hate about you.”
Ok, I guess that I win the battle of who is actually the person of “hate” when you admit you hate me. But I will leave you with this.
“When you hate, the only one that suffers is you because most of the people you hate don't know it and the rest don't care.” Medgar Evans, Civil Rights Leader.
>>>”I mean, seriously, the only thing you could find to try and deny is the racist thing? “
That, Rouge is what you called me. The over and over “no one cares about you” … if you believe that then oh well. But, since I know that we can go back and check post, I felt that it would be more fun to watch you fail and then have to come up with some poor reason on why you could not back up your claim that I was a Racist. The ”I don't have to prove anything on this blog” …...statement was what I expected and like a mouse in a maze, you went where I wanted you to. And as your master on this exchange , I am pleased. :)
How did they say in that Heath Ledger movie ...”You have been weighed, you have been measured, and you have been found wanting”
Be careful Rouge, next time I will take your lunch money as well as your dignity.
The above subject story is a good example how distorted things have become in society with the media industry as the main culprit.
The local media, including CNN, Fox and your local TV stations and newspapers are a very important element of social and political behavior, as society is shaped by what it sees, hears and reads and it is conditioned by the events that influence the mind of every person. You reap what you sow.
To allow anyone to be directed by public opinion is dangerous because most public opinion is the view of the media. If the
media does not like something, their bias taints information getting to the public, and this forms public opinion. Public opinion is never based on research and facts. The public uses the media for its sole source of information and for this reason social behavior will continue to deteriorate and wax worse and worse (2 Timothy 3:13).
For a better understanding of the role of the media we invite you to read the articles ‘Influence of the Media’ and ‘CNN Belief Blog – Sign of the Times’, listed on our website http://www.aworlddeceived.ca
The media does not provide accurate information on ‘Religion’ as it continues to ignore the truth and the history of deceptions (John 14:17). They only report how they want you to hear things. They have created the big chasm that now exists without offering any solutions.
Consider the truth about Mormonism, Judaism, Evangelicals, Christianity and Islam and all other religions and ask yourself the following question.
Are so-called Mormons, Israelites, Evangelicals and Muslims and all those that call themselves ‘Christians’ followers of the teachings of the Lord Jesus Christ and the Word of God, or do they follow after an image of a false god and a false Christ (Matthew 24:24; 2 Cor. 11:13-15; Gal. 4:8)?
For a better understanding of the history of Mormonism, Christianity, Judaism and Islam and its spread throughout the world, we invite you to read the articles ‘The Mystery Babylon’, ‘Can Christianity or Any Other Religion Save You?’, ‘World History and Developments in the Middle East’ and ‘Clash of Civilizations’, listed on our website http://www.aworlddeceived.ca
Mitt Romney’s faith does not stand in the teachings of Christ but rather in an image of the spirit and the god of this world and a false Christ (Matthew 24:24; 2 Cor. 11:13-15; Gal. 4:8).
For a better understanding of the history of the Mormon Church and Mitt Romney’s quest for the Presidency of the USA, we invite you to read the articles ‘Mormon Church – Cult and Spiritual Harlot’ and ‘Barack Obama – President of the United States of America’, listed on our website.
All of the other pages and articles listed on our website explain how and by whom this whole world has been deceived as confirmed in Revelation 12:9.
I read your website. It's an awful mismash of unsupported statements and conjecture, and I'm being polite. Please stop spamming CNN.
1 Cor. 2:14. The natural man (like yourself) receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God; for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. For this reason our message remains the same: Ye must repent and turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan unto God (Acts 26:18).
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This poster is a well known lying TROLL on this site. Don't bother checking out their site which is full of lies so can sell their book to support their cult. Click the report abuse link to get rid of this troll.
I saw the extended trailer and thought it was hilarious. It speaks volumes about Muslim extremists (whose number seem to be highly disproportionate in comparison with other religious extremists) that they took it so seriously. It also speaks volumes about the Muslim community in general that their condemnation of the film has been as vocal as their condemnation of the violence.
Prayer changes things
That is why we all ignore hal/ phony jesus.
Jesus was a phony.
look for koolaid it will be one of the ones with the oh sh it look on its face,
"on judgement day look for koolaid it will be one of the ones with the oh sh it look on its face"
1) there is no such thing as a judgement day, when a god decides the fate of one's soul. If you disagree please show proof aside from the non-factual book of whatever delusional religion you subscribe to
2) there is no soul. If you disagree show proof
3) when we die, the brain dies. The material that comprises our body begins to disintegrate. Even if our facial muscles hadn't yet atrophied, there is no functioning brain to fire the impulses necessary to make koolaid form any kind of look on his face
4) due to overwhelming evidence, you are wrong.
The resurrection is an established fact, based in part on the many sources that opposed it. Many extra biblical sources reference both the Lord Jesus and the resurrection in a vain attempt to explain away the empty tomb. King David 1000 B. C. wrote that he would see God in his flesh, a resurrected body. All mankind will assemble before the throne of God for the final judgement. The testimony of the resurrection of Jesus speaks for the future resurrection of us all.
"The resurrection is an established fact, based in part on the many sources that opposed it."
No it isn't. See how this works?
"Many extra biblical sources reference both the Lord Jesus and the resurrection in a vain attempt to explain away the empty tomb. "
List them all. I wouldn't bother taking the time though since they've all been refuted ad nauseum. There is no reliable historical evidence of any true resurrection of anyone in the history of the planet.
"King David 1000 B. C. wrote that he would see God in his flesh, a resurrected body."
I don't even have to research this nonsense. He said he "would" see god, not that he "did". Wha? Now you want us to believe King David could see the future AND a dude came back from the dead. Fantasize much? Is this really the best you can do? I see why you live in your delusion - its much easier not to have to burn any brain cycles on logic.
"All mankind will assemble before the throne of God for the final judgement."
No, they won't. Do you see how this works yet?
"The testimony of the resurrection of Jesus speaks for the future resurrection of us all."
No, it doesn't. I don't suppose you're getting it yet. Any of us can make wild claims. We need facts to take you seriously.
Prayer does not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.
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