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September 17th, 2012
07:55 AM ET

Gay couple sues church over axed sale

(CNN)–A gay couple in Massachusetts is suing a Roman Catholic diocese for allegedly refusing to sell property to them.  CNN Affiliate WCVB reports.

- CNN Belief Blog

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  1. Texan

    I have waaaaaaaaay more respect for a gay couple than In do for a self-righteous priest who molests little boys.

    September 18, 2012 at 9:19 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      As someone pointed out below, the Church has paid around $2 billion in the last 60 years over these cases. Other data indicates the total number of alleged cases at 11,000 over the same period. In any given year from this time period the total number of priest worldwide is about 500,000. Crunching these numbers yields the following:

      Annual incident rate of alleged priestly abuse: 184
      ratio of allegations to total number of priests: .03%
      average settlement payout per allegation $181,818.00

      My challenge is to anyone who would post the same date for ANY other organization that has no less that 10% membership of the 1 billion member Catholic church. If one reviews the data, you will see that your child is anywhere from 3-10 times LESS likely to be molested by a priest that by a public school teacher, a minister or rabbi, a Boy Scout leader, coach or family member.

      But you keep on hating. It makes you so attractive.

      September 19, 2012 at 9:23 am |
    • Bill Deacon

      It appears your respect may be misplaced:

      Freund K, Watson RJ.
      Source

      Department of Behavioural Seexology, Clarke Instiitute of Psychiatry, Toronto, Ont., Canada.
      Abstract

      Previous investigations have indicated that the ratio of seex offenders against female children vs. offenders against male children is approximately 2:1, while the ratio of gynephiles to androphiles among the general population is approximately 20:1. The present study investigated whether the etiology of preferred partner seex among pedophiles is related to the etiology of preferred partner seex among males preferring adult partners. Using phallometric test sensitivities to calculate the proportion of true pedophiles among various groups of seex offenders against children, and taking into consideration previously reported mean numbers of victims per offender group, the ratio of heteroseexual to h0m0seexual pedophiles was calculated to be approximately 11:1. This suggests that the resulting proportion of true pedophiles among persons with a h0m0seexual erootic development is greater than that in persons who develop heteroseexually. This, of course, would not indicate that androphilic males have a greater propensity to offend against children.

      September 19, 2012 at 9:46 am |
    • truth be trolled

      Keep trying to rationalize, Bill. Who the hell is going to believe figures on alleged and not-even-alleged activities that are, by nature, going to be hidden from society. What is obvious is that celibacy is unnatural and the problem will not improve as long as the catholic church retains this weirdness.

      September 19, 2012 at 10:30 am |
    • Texan

      @Bill, money won't heal the little children that were harmed. For the most part gays don't harm anyone. I'm not gay, but one of my good friends is and I would sooner trust him than a catholic priest.

      September 19, 2012 at 11:37 am |
    • *facepalm*

      Still missing the point, huh, Bill? Most people's issue with the RCC isn't the pedophilia itself since most people recognize, as you point out, that there are deviants in all corners of society. It is the decades-long, global cover up by RCC leadership that is the most appaling – that multiple church leaders over decades have knowingly moved predators to new and unsuspecting parishes.

      That you continue to minimize and deflect is both sad, pathetic, and disturbing – and is indicative of the issue that many have with the church: that the issue is not given the attention it so sorely needs.

      September 19, 2012 at 11:48 am |
  2. Church Used Gay Couples, Axe Sale Over

    What Say?

    September 18, 2012 at 8:34 pm |
    • Gay Church Axes Couples Over Sale

      Say it so.

      September 18, 2012 at 9:11 pm |
    • Sale Over, Gay Couple Used Church Fax

      Your tern.

      September 18, 2012 at 9:14 pm |
  3. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things,
    Proven.

    September 18, 2012 at 6:27 pm |
    • Jesus

      You're a proven LIAR. Prayer does not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!

      September 18, 2012 at 6:29 pm |
    • hal 9000

      I'm sorry, "Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things", but your assertions regarding atheism and prayer are unfounded. The degree to which your assertions may represent correct statements is 0.0. To help you understand the degree to which your assertions may represent correct statements, I will access my Idiomatic Expression Equivalency module (IEE). Using my IEE module, the expression that best matches the degree to which your assertions may represent correct statements is: "TOTAL FAIL, DUDE".

      I see that you repeat these unfounded statements with high frequency. Perhaps the following book might help you overcome this problem:

      I'm Told I Have Dementia: What You Can Do... Who You Can Turn to...
      by the Alzheimer's Disease Society

      September 19, 2012 at 1:50 am |
  4. Tom, Tom, the Other One

    You forgot a line.

    Gay Couple – (Suprised and rightly offended) Thank you, you have just bought us a new home in a nicer neighborhood with your parishioners money when you lose the civil suit we are filing against you for discriminitation. You can discriminate privately all you want, just don't take your privates out in public.

    Altar boy follows priest into shower room.

    Church – ... 'gulp'...

    September 18, 2012 at 2:27 pm |
  5. Reality

    Only for the new members of this blog:

    More than likely said diocese is selling this property to pay off all the legal bills from all the pedophilia cases but said diocese has the gall to sit in judgement of others?? Give us a break!!!!

    Then there is this:

    o "Abrahamics" like the members of said diocese believe that their god created all of us and of course that includes the g-ay members of the human race. Also, those who have studied ho-mo-se-xuality have determined that there is no choice involved therefore ga-ys are ga-y because god made them that way.

    To wit:

    1. The Royal College of Psy-chiatrists stated in 2007:

    “ Despite almost a century of psy-choanalytic and psy-chological speculation, there is no substantive evidence to support the suggestion that the nature of parenting or early childhood experiences play any role in the formation of a person’s fundamental heteros-exual or hom-ose-xual orientation. It would appear that s-exual orientation is biological in nature, determined by a complex interplay of ge-netic factors and the early ut-erine environment. Se-xual orientation is therefore not a choice.[60] "

    2. "Garcia-Falgueras and Swaab state in the abstract of their 2010 study, "The fe-tal brain develops during the intraut-erine period in the male direction through a direct action of tes-tosterone on the developing nerve cells, or in the female direction through the absence of this hor-mone surge. In this way, our gender identi-ty (the conviction of belonging to the male or female gender) and s-exual orientation are programmed or organized into our brain structures when we are still in the womb. There is no indication that social environment after birth has an effect on gender ident–ity or s-exual orientation."[8

    3. See also the Philadelphia Inquirer review “Gay Gene, Deconstructed”, 12/12/2011. Said review addresses the following “How do genes associated with ho-mose-xuality avoid being weeded out by Darwinian evolution?”

    September 18, 2012 at 8:09 am |
    • ....

      TOTAL BULL SH IT ALERT

      September 18, 2012 at 10:08 am |
    • ....

      WORST BS SINCE, OH WAIT UNCLES CALLIN FROM NEXT TRAILER – I HAVE TO GO BLEED HIS FOOT AGAIN.

      September 18, 2012 at 12:44 pm |
    • Lynda

      what's with all of your -'s?

      September 18, 2012 at 2:10 pm |
    • Truth

      "The nation’s largest Catholic archdiocese will settle its clergy s e.x abuse cases for at least $600 million, by far the largest payout in the church’s s.e.x.ual abuse scandal, The Associated Press learned Saturday. The settlements push the total amount paid out by the U.S. church since 1950 to more than $2 billion, with about a quarter of that coming from the Los Angeles archdiocese." – AP/NBCnews report 7/14/2007

      Thats a lot of change being tossed onto the plate and then redirected towards r a p e d alter boys. Do you think that's what each parishioner thought there donation would be used for?... A n a l r a p e reimbursements?

      September 18, 2012 at 2:26 pm |
    • Reality

      • The moderators of this blog have set up a secret forbidden word filter which unfortunately not only will delete or put your comment in the dreaded "waiting for moderation" category but also will do the same to words having fragments of these words. For example, "t-it" is in the set but the filter will also pick up words like Hitt-ite, t-itle, beati-tude, practi-tioner and const-tution. Then there are words like "an-al" thereby flagging words like an-alysis and "c-um" flagging acc-umulate or doc-ument. And there is also "r-a-pe", “a-pe” and “gra-pe”, "s-ex", and "hom-ose-xual". You would think that the moderators would have corrected this by now considering the number of times this has been commented on but they have not. To be safe, I typically add hyphens in any word that said filter might judge "of-fensive".

      • Make sure the web address does not have any forbidden word or fragment.

      Sum Dude routinely updates the list of forbidden words/fragments.

      Two of the most filtered words are those containing the fragments "t-it" and "c-um". To quickly check your comments for these fragments, click on "Edit" on the Tool Bar and then "Find" on the menu. Add a fragment (without hyphens) one at a time in the "Find" slot and the offending fragment will be highlighted in your comments before you hit the Post button. Hyphenate the fragment(s) and then hit Post. And remember more than one full web address will also gain a "Waiting for Moderation".
      Zeb’s alphabetical listing

      o “bad letter combinations / words to avoid if you want to get past the CNN "awaiting moderation" filter:
      Many, if not most, are buried within other words, so use your imagination.
      You can use dashes, spaces, or other characters to modify the "offending" letter combinations.
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      do-uche
      ef-fing...as in ef-fing filter
      ft-w......as in soft-ware, delft-ware, swift-water, etc.
      fu-ck......!
      ho-mo.....as in ho-mo sapiens or ho-mose-xual, ho-mogenous, etc.
      ho-rny....as in tho-rny, etc.
      jacka-ss...yet "ass" is allowed by itself.....
      ja-p......as in j-apanese, ja-pan, j-ape, etc.
      ji-sm
      koo-ch....as in koo-chie koo..!
      nip-ple
      pi-s......as in pi-stol, lapi-s, pi-ssed, therapi-st, etc.
      pr-ick....as in pri-ckling, pri-ckles, etc.
      ra-pe.....as in scra-pe, tra-peze, gr-ape, thera-peutic, sara-pe, etc.
      se-x......as in Ess-ex, s-exual, etc.
      sh-@t.....but shat is okay – don't use the @ symbol there.
      sh-it
      sl-ut
      sn-atch
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      ti-t......as in const-itution, att-itude, ent-ities, alt-itude, beat-itude, etc.
      tw-at.....as in wristw-atch, nightw-atchman, etc.
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      who-re....as in who're you kidding / don't forget to put in that apostrophe!
      wt-f....also!!!!!!!
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      Allowed words / not blocked at all:
      anal
      anus
      ass
      boob
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      damn
      execute
      hell
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      masturbation
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      raping (ra-pe is not ok)
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      sphincter
      testes
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      The CNN / WordPress filter also filters your EMAIL address and NAME as well – so you might want to check those.

      September 18, 2012 at 3:45 pm |
  6. Urafkntool

    Aren't there laws against frivolous lawsuits?

    September 18, 2012 at 2:55 am |
    • Rational Libertarian

      There should be.

      September 18, 2012 at 6:11 am |
    • Primewonk

      Not quite sure why you consider violating the state's anti-discrimination law to be frivolous.

      September 18, 2012 at 8:10 am |
    • Rational Libertarian

      Anti-discrimination laws are just PC BS ways to further limit individual freedom.

      September 18, 2012 at 8:20 am |
    • WASP

      @R.l.: you're an ass. seriously eeyore go find your tail.

      September 18, 2012 at 8:25 am |
    • Rational Libertarian

      Surely resorting to ad hominems makes you the ass. Love the Pooh reference though, so maybe there's some hope for you yet.

      September 18, 2012 at 8:37 am |
    • Primewonk

      " Anti-discrimination laws are just PC BS ways to further limit individual freedom."

      Tell that to the black men hung from trees for daring to talk to white women.

      Tell that to gay folks who are beaten for daring to hold hands walking down the street.

      September 18, 2012 at 10:35 am |
    • Rational Libertarian

      There are already laws preventing murder and assault.

      September 18, 2012 at 10:42 am |
    • Primewonk

      There are laws punishing murder and assult. There are no laws preventing murder and assault.

      Discrimination is a CRIME. Just because you choose to ignore it, doesn't magically make it not a crime.

      September 18, 2012 at 11:59 am |
    • *facepalm*

      While I'm not a libertarian and don't agree with a lot of libertarian ideas, it seems like a lot of you here really don't understand the @RL is coming from. He's not saying that he wouldn't follow the law or discrimination of this sort isn't a law, just that he (she?) disagrees. Totally makes sense from a libertarian stand where personal freedom trumps all.

      September 18, 2012 at 1:21 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      The thing about @RL and the other libertarians I’ve spoken to is…they are all for person freedom as long as they agree with it. These hypocrites think nothing of person freedoms of others… like the freedom to not be discriminated against.

      September 18, 2012 at 2:20 pm |
    • Rational Libertarian

      Thanks facepalm.

      And Tom, I'd be perfectly happy if someone discriminated against me for some reason. My children can't join the Scouts, but I don't go crying about it. If a black guy didn't want me to purchase something in his store, it wouldn't bother me.

      Prime, how can discrimination be illegal when affirmative action isn't?

      September 18, 2012 at 7:44 pm |
    • jqent

      I'm sure there are. This, however, does not look like one.

      September 18, 2012 at 9:25 pm |
    • Gadflie

      Rational Libertarian, you want to give the government the power to decide which lawsuits are frivolous? Great idea! Nothing could go wrong with that...

      September 19, 2012 at 12:03 am |
    • Rational Libertarian

      It's better than giving them the power to take away our freedom. Whatever happened to land of the free? People suing fast food restaurants for making them fat. Gay people suing an inst.itutionally h.omophobic organization for not selling them property. To be honest, there are very few non-criminal lawsuits which aren't frivolous.

      September 19, 2012 at 7:27 am |
  7. hinduism source of hindufilthyracism.

    GAYS PRODUCT OF HINDUISM, JUDAISM , RACISM, CHRISTIANITY, EVEN THOUGH GAY RACES DO NOT EXIST' VISIT http://www.limitiintruth.com/blog.html HANDY WORK OF GAY JEW'S, FILTHY SELF CENTERED. DENIER'S OF TRUTH ABSOLUTE, 180* ALLAH, AL, the, LA, Limited, H, Height.

    September 17, 2012 at 10:09 pm |
    • Alpa Chino

      Anyone got the key to shut this dumb muthafukka down??

      September 17, 2012 at 10:57 pm |
    • hinduism source of hindufilthyracism.

      fine example of hindu filthy mind of a Jew, skunk, absurd. for more fore more visit http://www.whyislamruin.com/blog.html and click on GAYRUS to open file.

      September 17, 2012 at 11:06 pm |
    • hinduism source of hindufilthyracism.

      I want to, how you say English, rent small boy for boink boink. Will accept goat if no boy today.

      September 17, 2012 at 11:58 pm |
    • toad

      I enjoyed a Muslim boy for about 3 weeks last summer. Flawless smooth skin. Can't get that in a Hindu, Jew or Christian. Allahu Akbar!

      September 18, 2012 at 1:17 am |
    • Atheist Hunter

      You're a true reflection of your religion.

      September 18, 2012 at 7:34 am |
  8. Io

    As the old saying goes. "Vox populi vox doi" (The voice of the people is the voice of God). If u keep educating people and gradually changing their opinions, u will eventually change God's opinion on gays.

    Just like general opinions changed on slavery, female leaders, inter racial couples etc (it takes time,) but progress happens eventually.

    September 17, 2012 at 9:22 pm |
    • Ting

      Very true.

      September 17, 2012 at 9:25 pm |
    • niknak

      Not sure where you been, but the fundies I work with want to put woman back in the kitchen and blacks back in chains.
      What the gays should be suing churches about it that tax exempt status they use to enrich themselves not only on the backs of their sheep, but on the backs of the tax payers who have to pony up the money for all the services they get without paying a penny for.

      September 17, 2012 at 10:04 pm |
    • GodsPeople

      No, the gays will still burn in hell and so will their supporters. God should and would never change His mind about those deviant freaks.

      September 18, 2012 at 2:56 am |
    • Rational Libertarian

      niknak

      I've never met a racist fundamentalist.

      September 18, 2012 at 6:14 am |
    • sam stone

      GodsPeople's God is a vindictive, petty pr1ck. Vindictive petty pr1cks find comfort in a vindictive petty pr1ck god

      September 18, 2012 at 6:49 am |
    • Lynda

      'godspeople' should read the bible and better yet strive to understand it. You are sorely misinformed about it's contents.

      September 18, 2012 at 2:12 pm |
    • Son of the South

      God's opinion of gays will change when (and only when) "gays" quit sinning. Jesus preached a pro-family stance when He said: " For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother and cleave unto his wife and they twain shall be one flesh."

      September 18, 2012 at 7:33 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      God has nothing to with civil rights and no one in a secular country has to abide by what the Bible says.

      September 18, 2012 at 7:36 pm |
    • Son of the South

      Furthermore, let me say: God truly loves the gays. However, He will not call good evil or evil, good. One thing that God cant do is LIE. Sin is sin.

      September 18, 2012 at 7:36 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      So what? That has nothing to do with the laws of this country.

      September 18, 2012 at 7:37 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @GodsPeople

      If you turn out to be right, I'm glad I won't be in the same place as you and your evil god. It's probably the place of true torture.

      September 18, 2012 at 7:38 pm |
  9. Erik

    "It isn't the same as being prejudiced against blacks because you are born black and that's not something that can be changed. It's just who they are. There isn't anything wrong with that. For gay people, it's a matter of an action that is found to be immoral by a lot of people. See the difference? "

    Being gay is not a choice science, in fact, is actually not in dispute on this matter.

    All major medical professional organizations concur that sexual orientation is not a choice and cannot be changed, from gay to straight or otherwise. The American, Canadian, Australian, New Zealand, and European Psychological, Psychiatric, and Medical Associations all agree with this, as does the World Health Organization and the medical organizations of Japan, China, and most recently, Thailand. Furthermore, attempts to change one's sexual orientation can be psychologically damaging, and cause great inner turmoil and depression, especially for Christian gays and lesbians.

    Reparative therapy, also called conversion therapy or reorientation therapy, "counsels" LGBT persons to pray fervently and study Bible verses, often utilizing 12-step techniques that are used to treat sexual addictions or trauma. Such Christian councilors are pathologizing homosexuality, which is not a pathology but is a sexual orientation. Psychologically, that's very dangerous territory to tread on. All of the above-mentioned medical professional organizations, in addition to the American and European Counseling Associations, stand strongly opposed to any form of reparative therapy.

    In my home country, Norway, reparative therapy is officially considered to be ethical malpractice. But there are many countries that do not regulate the practice, and many others that remain largely silent and even passively supportive of it (such as the Philippines). Groups that operate such "therapy" in the Philippines are the Evangelical Bagong Pag-asa, and the Catholic Courage Philippines.

    The scientific evidence of the innateness of homosexuality, bisexuality, and transgenderism is overwhelming, and more peer-reviewed studies which bolster this fact are being added all the time. Science has long regarded sexual orientation – and that's all sexual orientations, including heterosexuality – as a phenotype. Simply put, a phenotype is an observable set of properties that varies among individuals and is deeply rooted in biology. For the scientific community, the role of genetics in sexuality is about as "disputable" as the role of evolution in biology.

    On the second point, that there is no conclusion that there is a "gay gene," they are right. No so-called gay gene has been found, and it's highly unlikely that one ever will. This is where conservative Christians and Muslims quickly say "See, I told you so! There's no gay gene, so being gay is a choice!"

    Take this interesting paragraph I found on an Evangelical website: "The attempt to prove that homosexuality is determined biologically has been dealt a knockout punch. An American Psychological Association publication includes an admission that there's no homosexual "gene" – meaning it's not likely that homosexuals are 'born that way.'"

    But that's not at all what it means, and it seems Evangelicals are plucking out stand-alone phrases from scientific reports and removing them from their context. This is known in academia as the fallacy of suppressed evidence. Interestingly, this is also what they have a habit of doing with verses from the Bible.

    This idea of sexuality being a choice is such a bizarre notion to me as a man of science. Many of these reparative "therapists" are basing this concept on a random Bible verse or two. When you hold those up against the mountain of scientific research that has been conducted, peer-reviewed, and then peer-reviewed again, it absolutely holds no water. A person's sexuality – whether heterosexual, homosexual, or bisexual – is a very deep biological piece of who that person is as an individual.

    The fact that a so-called "gay gene" has not been discovered does not mean that homosexuality is not genetic in its causation. This is understandably something that can seem a bit strange to those who have not been educated in fields of science and advanced biology, and it is also why people who are not scientists ought not try to explain the processes in simple black-and-white terms. There is no gay gene, but there is also no "height gene" or "skin tone gene" or "left-handed gene." These, like sexuality, have a heritable aspect, but no one dominant gene is responsible for them.

    Many genes, working in sync, contribute to the phenotype and therefore do have a role in sexual orientation. In many animal model systems, for example, the precise genes involved in sexual partner selection have been identified, and their neuro-biochemical pathways have been worked out in great detail. A great number of these mechanisms have been preserved evolutionarily in humans, just as they are for every other behavioral trait we know (including heterosexuality).

    Furthermore, there are many biologic traits which are not specifically genetic but are biologic nonetheless. These traits are rooted in hormonal influences, contributed especially during the early stages of fetal development. This too is indisputable and based on extensive peer-reviewed research the world over. Such prenatal hormonal influences are not genetic per se, but are inborn, natural, and biologic nevertheless.

    Having said that, in the realm of legal rights, partnership rights, and anti-discrimination protections, the gay gene vs. choice debate is actually quite irrelevant. Whether or not something is a choice is not a suitable criterion for whether someone should have equal rights and protections. Religion is indisputably a choice, but that fact is a not a valid argument for discriminating against a particular religion.

    September 17, 2012 at 6:21 pm |
    • JS

      Your "major professional medical" organizations are not G-d....they do not decide the morality of human beings! and what the catholic church (which I do not support) does. Your citing of your scandinavian Norway, is the bummer, as these countries are increasingly atheist or agnostic....it has almost become a stigma to believe in G-d...in those so called "civilized" nations. They will of course entertain Islam to their consternation!

      Thank G-d the US can still be redeemed...

      September 17, 2012 at 7:57 pm |
    • sam stone

      Free people do not need redemption.

      September 17, 2012 at 8:59 pm |
    • mama kindless

      And as it turns out, JS, God is something that you nor any religion knows the first thing about. Pompous know-it-all troll.

      September 17, 2012 at 9:51 pm |
    • Alpa Chino

      'Redeemed'? Not with bites like you in it, JS.

      September 17, 2012 at 10:58 pm |
    • Urafkntool

      @Erik: Having done a lot of studying of my own, I can attest that ho-mo-s-e-xu-a-lit-y in all forms is indeed a mental disorder. George Michael, for example, is attracted solely to women, but can't be in a relationship with one because of his mother. Many, many gay men have had either abusive or manipulative mothers, thus believe that all women are abusive and/or manipulative. They need therapy, not pseudo-science attempting to fulfill the Jewish propaganda wagon.

      September 18, 2012 at 3:00 am |
    • old ben

      @Urafkntool

      You so full of BS, I wouldn't know where to begin. Certainly on the part about mothers of gays. But go ahead and give us some more of the brilliance from your own "studies".

      September 18, 2012 at 12:48 pm |
    • Truth

      "Having done a lot of studying of my own" aka looking at pictures of gay people and forming opinions about how I think they became gay without actually interviewing or researching anyone further than what my Cosmo has to say about them...

      I think you need a new handle, something like "Imafkntool" would be more appropriate.

      September 18, 2012 at 2:37 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "I can attest that ho-mo-s-e-xu-a-lit-y in all forms is indeed a mental disorder."

      LOL!

      Heterosexual behavior and homosexual behavior are normal aspects of human sexuality. Despite the persistence of stereotypes that portray lesbian, gay, and bisexual people as disturbed, several decades of research and clinical experience have led all mainstream medical and mental health organizations in this country to conclude that these orientations represent normal forms of human experience. The American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Counseling Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, the American School Counselor Association, the National Association of School Psychologists, and the National Association of SocialWorkers, together representing more than 480,000 mental health professionals, have all taken the position that homosexuality is not a mental disorder and thus is not something that needs to or can be “cured.

      Oops all the experts in this country disagree with you. LOL!

      September 18, 2012 at 6:23 pm |
  10. 2Cents

    "Being gay isn't a civil rights issue."

    The NAACP has passed a resolution endorsing same-sex marriage as a civil right, putting it stamp on an issue that has divided the black community.

    The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People's board voted at a leadership retreat in Miami on Saturday to back a resolution supporting marriage equality, calling the position consistent with the equal protection provision of the US constitution.

    "The mission of the NAACP has always been to ensure political, social and economic equality of all people," board chairwoman Roslyn M Brock said in a statement. "We have and will oppose efforts to codify discrimination into law."

    Same-sex marriage is legal in six states and the District of Columbia, but 31 states have passed amendments to ban it.

    The NAACP vote came about two weeks after President Barack Obama announced his support for gay marriage, setting off a flurry of political activity in a number of states. Obama's announcement followed vice-president Joe Biden's declaration in a television interview that he was "absolutely comfortable" with gay couples marrying.

    "Civil marriage is a civil right and a matter of civil law. The NAACP's support for marriage equality is deeply rooted in the fourteenth amendment of the United States constitution and equal protection of all people" said NAACP president Benjamin Todd Jealous, a strong backer of gay rights.

    Gay marriage has divided the black community, with many religious leaders opposing it. In California, exit polls showed about 70% of black people opposed same-sex marriage in 2008. In Maryland, black religious leaders helped derail a gay marriage bill last year. But state lawmakers passed a gay marriage bill this year.

    Pew Research Center polls have found that African Americans have become more supportive of same-sex marriage in recent years, but remain less supportive than other groups. A poll conducted in April showed 39% of African-Americans favor gay marriage, compared with 47% of white people. The poll showed 49% of black people and 43% of white people are opposed.

    The Human Rights Campaign, a leading gay rights advocacy group, applauded the NAACP's step.

    "We could not be more pleased with the NAACP's history-making vote – which is yet another example of the traction marriage equality continues to gain in every community," HRC president Joe Solmonese said in a statement.

    September 17, 2012 at 6:17 pm |
    • Urafkntool

      The NAACP will do anything and everything to destroy white culture and white people.

      September 18, 2012 at 3:00 am |
    • old ben

      @Urafkntool: Well that answers some of my wonderings about you. Fearful, bigoted "tard" I think we have with "Urafkntool".

      September 18, 2012 at 12:51 pm |
  11. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things .

    September 17, 2012 at 6:00 pm |
    • Conan

      Pray to Crom...it changes things

      September 17, 2012 at 6:51 pm |
    • Zues

      Pray to me and I will answer you!

      September 17, 2012 at 6:59 pm |
    • Zeus

      I will not answer unless you spell my name right!

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeus

      September 17, 2012 at 7:02 pm |
    • Veritas

      Then pray for some imagination

      September 17, 2012 at 9:47 pm |
    • tom-ay

      pray to the flying spaghetti monster! Christianity is a lie, and it literally rips off 20 religions before it all with the same story...

      September 18, 2012 at 2:08 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      Subgenius prayer is called "excremeditation" – everyone knows the most profound thoughts come when on the toilet.
      They are also the only religion in all of history to offer eternal salvation or triple your money back.
      Praise "Bob" !

      September 18, 2012 at 1:01 pm |
    • Jesus

      Prayer does not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!

      September 18, 2012 at 4:16 pm |
  12. Duh

    Church – Marriage is between a man and woman.
    Church – Offering Public sale of private property.
    Gay Couple – We want to buy your property and live on it in direct violation of your worldview.
    Church – No
    Gay Couple – Why?
    Church – Because your'e gay.
    Gay Couple – (Suprised and rightly offended) Thank you, you have just bought us a new home in a nicer neighborhood with your parishioners money when you lose the civil suit we are filing against you for discriminitation. You can discriminate privately all you want, just don't take your privates out in public.
    Church – ... 'gulp'...

    September 17, 2012 at 5:43 pm |
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