Mr. Osteen is quick to tell people what "the Bible says". It's also very telling in his responses that he really doesn't have the heart to condemn someone who is gay based on an obvious book of mythology. I think that's a step in the right direction even though he tip-toes around it. Comparing a gay person to a lying person is a red herring, in my opinion.
How many evil television preachers (I know, it's redundant), can dance on the head of a pin?
Just tell them the truth! You know the TRUTH which is the Word of God. They need to hear it, and we cant be afraid to debate the fact it is a sin and an abomination in the eyes of God. Nobody was born gay, they make a choice just like Adam and Eve made a choice. (unless they think they derived from a marsupial) The scripture throughout the old and the new testament clearly state God standings on these issues. One day ever preacher will stand before God to give an account for what He didn't tell the people of this world. Ezekiel 33. (their blood will be required on your hands) Tell the man if he doesn't change his ways there's a heaven and gain and a Hell to shun.
Quit trying to sell your book and preach the one you take to the pulpit on Sundays Joel. This world needs to hear the truth and truth will set them free. Use your pulpit for reformation not inclusion. Get a back bone and rebuke sin.
What a bunch of losers. It's your way or the highway. You have not ounce of proof your book is fact. Until you can, stop speaking like it is. Better to be inclusive. Jesus himself never condemned the gay culture EVER!
He knows better than to "rebuke" people for a natural and God-given trait. Gay folks commint all of the same sins that straight folks do – we have not invented new ones based on our orientation.
But, the fact that we were created with ONLY the attraction to the same gender is not one of those sins. Neither is the love we have for our spouses and families.
When your personal beliefs start to fly in the face of sanity, you really need to scrutinize them more deeply.
What is a joel Osteen and why should I give a rats behind? Is it like a Justin Beiber?
Reblogged this on royalradio and commented:
they really tried to railroad him here. If what he believes is that lying is a sin is he not supposed to tell kids to stop lying becuase young teenagers are liars?
Most of the people, who has written on this subject is full of hate not love. Man/Woman has a problen with doing what the Word of God say. We as humans love to do our own thing regardless to what it may be. Go and Sin no more is to, too easy but very hard to do for some people. Just love everyone as you want to be loved and you will have a happy life and of all things MYOB. Pray every day for a better understanding of things, you will never have an idea as to why this or that. As my dad said live and let live ( clean your own house of dust, dust)!
That poor guy, has no conviction to stand on! Its no wonder the world is making mockery out of him.
that guys annoying. Let the dude finish his sentence before you argue with him.
Love each other.
People will never stop believing in god nor hoping there is punishment for actions that are outside of the social acceptance level. There is no argument against faith, it does not follow the same rules as logic and fact. In Science, logic and facts make the laws; in faith the laws make the logic and 'facts.'
There will never be a time when someone doesn't want all the answers to be given, no time in human history or future will "I don't know, and no one else does either" be considered ok for the majority of folks. Most people want the all knowing father figure up on high like they were when they were a child, and everyone wants answers...Only Atheists, Agnostic, and fair weather Religious people can have the mental capacity to cope with knowing there is no plan, there is no certainty, there is only you and everyone around you. Make earth yours and your brother's heaven and stop making it hell for others.
It might be a pipe dream but until people can move past the bronze age thought of evolution isn't real, that the Catholic church is acting like the Jewish council that killed Jesus (Abusing power), science should dictate the rules of the physical world and people should keep the soul out of numbers; I truly do fear when a person can 'hear' god and press the big round button in the oval office to make hell on earth for another group of people. This happened with Bush and Iraq, god told him to do it; for better or worse this means that faith dictated the logic which is a very scary president.
you and your wife are another jim and tammy baker but worse.. ps im gay
naw you're a qu eer. qu eers the people that gave the world AIDS
@perv – check your facts. cause you are so wrong it isn't funny especially this far into the AIDS epidemic. The millions of straight people in the African countries that have AIDS or have died from it are straight.
The straights as you call them were killed by the qu eers who even molested animals. Qu eers are responsible for all the innocent deaths from AIDS. Qu eers the people who gave the world AIDS
"Qu eers are responsible for all the innocent deaths from AIDS. Qu eers the people who gave the world AIDS"
Until recently, the origins of the HIV-2 virus had remained relatively unexplored. HIV-2 is thought to come from the SIV in Sooty Mangabeys rather than chimpanzees, but the crossover to humans is believed to have happened in a similar way (i.e. through the butchering and consumption of monkey meat). It is far rarer, significantly less infectious and progresses more slowly to AIDS than HIV-1. As a result, it infects far fewer people, and is mainly confined to a few countries in West Africa.
In May 2003, a group of Belgian researchers published a report in Proceedings of the National Academy of Science. By analysing samples of the two different subtypes of HIV-2 (A and B) taken from infected individuals and SIV samples taken from sooty mangabeys, Dr Vandamme concluded that subtype A had passed into humans around 1940 and subtype B in 1945 (plus or minus 16 years or so). Her team of researchers also discovered that the virus had originated in Guinea-Bissau and that its spread was most likely precipitated by the independence war that took place in the country between 1963 and 1974 (Guinea-Bissau is a former Portuguese colony). Her theory was backed up by the fact that the first European cases of HIV-2 were discovered among Portuguese veterans of the war, many of whom had received blood transfusions or unsterile injections following injury, or had possibly had relationships with local women.
Given the evidence we have already looked at, it seems highly likely that Africa was indeed the continent where the transfer of HIV to humans first occurred (monkeys from Asia and South America have never been found to have SIVs that could cause HIV in humans). In May 2006, the same group of researchers who first identified the Pan troglodytes troglodytes strain of SIVcpz, announced that they had narrowed down the location of this particular strain to wild chimpanzees found in the forests of Southern Cameroon . By analysing 599 samples of chimp droppings (P. T. troglodytes are a highly endangered and thus protected species that cannot be killed or captured for testing), the researchers were able to obtain 34 specimens that reacted to a standard HIV DNA test, 12 of which gave results that were virtually indistinguishable from the reactions created by human HIV. The researchers therefore concluded that the chimpanzees found in this area were highly likely the origin of both the pandemic Group M of HIV-1 and of the far rarer Group N. The exact origins of Group O however remain unknown.
HIV Group N principally affects people living in South-central Cameroon, so it is not difficult to see how this outbreak started. Group M, the group that has caused the worldwide pandemic, was however first identified in Kinshasa, in the Democratic Repub lic of Con go. It is not entirely clear how it transferred from Cameroon to Kinshasa, but the most likely explanation is that an infected individual travelled south down the San gha river that runs through Southern Cam eroon to the River Con go and then on to Kin shasa, where the Group M epidemic probably began.
Just as we do not know exactly who spread the virus from Cam eroon to Kin shasa, how the virus spread from Africa to America is also not entirely clear. However, recent evidence suggests that the virus may have arrived via the Cari bbean island of H aiti.
Agnostic....nothing's out of the equation and is great for kids and grown-ups too...but in the end our thoughts and actions rule our behavior to mankind and the earth. How we got here is insignificant to what we are doing here and to each other.
I meant yep. I'm a schizophrenic in need of medication. Sorry 'bout that.
The REAL nope
Funny how your "arguments" for god are as specious as the evidence that you claim. Both are completely without merit and without substance.
On this blog, we see more and more signs that America is leaving religion behind at last. Get used to it; it's great progress.
It is ironic that you sound like the atheists of Russia who bragged that the days of religion were over, that science had won, and that the only place you would see a Bible in Russia was in the museum. They even tried to get to that point by arresting and torturing anyone who didn't renounce God. Today Christianity is spreading like wild fire across Russia with many leaders filling up the pews in the churches because the age of reason left them empty, miserable, and unfulfilled.
@DJones – You erroneously conflate empirical reason with hegemony...
You can't kill the Word of God. They tried that already and it didn't work.. They placed Him in a tomb and on the 3rd day He conquered death hell and the grave. Funny how people get deceived into thinking they can remove God.
You think that this thing just wraps up in an Easter story once a year, but I need to tell you theres coming a day very shortly that every knee shall bow and ever person shall confess that Jesus is Lord! This earth is trembling and the world is at war. The economy is spiraling out of control, and you my friend one day soon will have to look up and trust God because He is the only thing you will have left to believe in. Don't reject God, He loves you and wants you to be saved from hell .
Religion rarely lives in harmony with reason.
To all, you will find out if God is real, when you're dead!!,!,!, Too late at that time.
Maybe you'll figure out you're an idiot before you die. I doubt it, but stranger things have happened.
Athiests do have one thing going for them, one wrote the book, Who moved the Stone, and found his faith.
And many other well known athiests were found to believe in the One truth God after soul searching, and trying to tear the existence down.
Funny, how the world riducules a belief, that itself can't see, whom is the bigger fool.
bob, funny how your "arguments" for god are as specious as the evidence that you claim. Both are completely without merit and without substance.
It's really best for all people including children to have an agnostic approach to god, and an atheistic approach to all religion. It keeps things simple for kids, and lets them be all that they can be. They just need to be taught that some things, like all religion, were just made up by salesmen and politicians from long ago. (Yes, charlatan folklore and spam started long before the Bible; what would make you think they hadn't?) And they need to be taught that other things, like God, we really don't know a damn thing about.
Atheists have strong minds and don't need a religion. Many religious folk have the best intentions. But too often, religious folk run and hide their misdeeds within their religion (and by doing so, they disserve society). And too often, religious folk are easily offended when someone mocks their make-believe characters – and, as we can see they can get really CRAZY!
Although there are many religious folk with good intentions – some selflessly helping others, religions and religious organizations are, as a whole, just big old clubs – each trying to out do each other and inspiring hate and division (often disguised as love) along the way. The problem is that people too easily buy into religion and don't realize how unfounded it all is. And when they buy into it, they buy into a lot of really old, really weird tenets that are nothing but harmful for the human species.
Take Christianity, for instance. Just look at all the things that Christians argue about amongst themselves today – abortion, men's and women's roles in the church, celibacy, contraception, acceptance of gays, etc. Most of these issues have their roots in the conflicted, unfounded tenets of early Christianity. Non-Mormons harp on Joseph Smith these days. But we really don't have any more proof at all to believe that Paul, the self-proclaimed "apostle" was anything more than an ordinary man who needed to make up religious "sales literature" to survive and spread his own personal beliefs. And yet a good chunk of the NT is attributed to Paul and accepted by many Christians. And a lot of what he wrote about has to do with many of the issues I mentioned above that have Christians fighting amongst themselves hundreds of years later. It's way too unfounded to argue over.
Get a good cup of tea, and sit down and collect your thoughts. If you find it helpful to pray to a god (something you know nothing about), fine. But it is really healthier for the mind to leave behind all the characters that people over the centuries have invented or given powers to, for which there is little or no foundation. Because with those invented characters and powers – that's where division and hate join the little party in your mind. That's where, in your mind, you are inheriting the division and hate from ordinary politicians, lobbyists and salesmen from long ago. My goodness.
originally posted by mama kindless
This is by far the most intelligent post I have ever read. The world would be a much better place if more people would open their minds like you, instead of hoping for false prophets to save the day.
Dear mama kinkless,
I rather have faith in God whom I can't see, rather than put my faith in man, whom I see every day.
Why put your faith in humanity, when it can't even account for it's own actions.
Might your search be revealed, for you emcamp with the Lord of the Flies and don't know your a pawn yourself.
Oh, boob. Mama has you beat for common sense.
Sinful to be a televangelist. Taking peoples money for the "Lord" just seems wrong, especially when these evanlists spend so laviously on themselves while many of their followers are struggling.
they ASK people to donate to help support what they are doing, they aren't forcing anyone, it's to help the church and their services keep gong....do some research cnn foum genius....what is it with these ignorant athiests who talk out their asses without any real knowledge of the Bible or God, all you nitwits focus on tearing it all down with no knowledge of any other religion.
It's only news when he comes out of the closet. Declaring it a 'sin' is either his need to sell books or his own guilt.
Prayer changes things .
by mama kindless
Athiests are the most negative people out there, ever since 911 they have all come out of the woodwork to blame it all on religion all sit online now and spew their incessant ignorance of mainly Christinaity because they don't know anything about any other religion or even christianity for that matter.....all they do is whine and complain about religion pushing itself on everyone and taking away people's rights while that's ALL athiest do is shove their half brained youtube and google learned beliefs down everyione throat and insult people's faith and are trying to take away people's religious freedoms.
"Athiests are the most negative people out there, ever since 911 they have all come out of the woodwork to blame it all on religion all sit online now and spew their incessant ignorance of mainly Christinaity because they don't know anything about any other religion or even christianity for that matter.....all they do is whine and complain about religion pushing itself on everyone and taking away people's rights while that's ALL athiest do is shove their half brained youtube and google learned beliefs down everyione throat and insult people's faith and are trying to take away people's religious freedoms."
Pot meet kettle, kettle meet pot.
Prayer does not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.
An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.
The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!^
I don't see how people still put their trust on this man. He has the biggest church in the state of Texas, he has houses everywhere, the guy even has his own helicopter!
We are quick to judge the pope, who has one set of clothes, lives in an apartment, and doesn't get paid.
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