By Ben Brumfield and Shirzad Bozorgmehr, CNN
Tehran, Iran (CNN) - They may be a far cry from their Western counterparts fighting for the acceptance to breast feed - or go topless - in public, but two girls clobbered a cleric recently in a small town in Iran, when he admonished one of them to cover herself more completely.
The cleric said he asked "politely," but the girl's angry reaction and some pugilistic double-teaming with her friend landed the holy man in the hospital, according to an account in the semi-official Mehr News Agency.
Reminds me of a story my brother told me when he was in Saudi back during the Original Desert Storm. There was a woman in his Unit who went to the local town without covering her head/face and an old man hit her with a cane, so she beat him up and put him in the hospital. Needless to say, she was quietly sent back to the Air Force Base in Nevada. Good for her and GREAT for those girls.
This is EFFIN Great!
I am proud of the girls and as a Imam I approve this message!
It's really best for all people including children to have an agnostic approach to god, and an atheistic approach to all religion. It keeps things simple for kids, and lets them be all that they can be. They just need to be taught that some things, like all religion, were just made up by salesmen and politicians from long ago. (Yes, charlatan folklore and spam started long before the Bible; what would make you think they hadn't?) And they need to be taught that other things, like God, we really don't know a damn thing about.
Atheists have strong minds and don't need a religion. Many religious folk have the best intentions. But too often, religious folk run and hide their misdeeds within their religion (and by doing so, they disserve society). And too often, religious folk are easily offended when someone mocks their make-believe characters – and, as we can see they can get really CRAZY!
Although there are many religious folk with good intentions – some selflessly helping others, religions and religious organizations are, as a whole, just big old clubs – each trying to out do each other and inspiring hate and division (often disguised as love) along the way. The problem is that people too easily buy into religion and don't realize how unfounded it all is. And when they buy into it, they buy into a lot of really old, really weird tenets that are nothing but harmful for the human species.
Take Christianity, for instance. Just look at all the things that Christians argue about amongst themselves today – abortion, men's and women's roles in the church, celibacy, contraception, acceptance of gays, etc. Most of these issues have their roots in the conflicted, unfounded tenets of early Christianity. Non-Mormons harp on Joseph Smith these days. But we really don't have any more proof at all to believe that Paul, the self-proclaimed "apostle" was anything more than an ordinary man who needed to make up religious "sales literature" to survive and spread his own personal beliefs. And yet a good chunk of the NT is attributed to Paul and accepted by many Christians. And a lot of what he wrote about has to do with many of the issues I mentioned above that have Christians fighting amongst themselves hundreds of years later. It's way too unfounded to argue over.
Get a good cup of tea, and sit down and collect your thoughts. If you find it helpful to pray to a god (something you know nothing about), fine. But it is really healthier for the mind to leave behind all the characters that people over the centuries have invented or given powers to, for which there is little or no foundation. Because with those invented characters and powers – that's where division and hate join the little party in your mind. That's where, in your mind, you are inheriting the division and hate from ordinary politicians, lobbyists and salesmen from long ago. My goodness.
"Atheists have strong minds" AS an atheists I find that comment repugnant.......... And it defeats the purpose of taking a logical and meaning full approach to convey your point of view...... Just because your an atheist doesn't make you superior to those that put stock in faith...... I have had many encounters with people that do believe and are well rounded by both faith and science and by no means would I call them weak minded........
And yet they need the crutch of religion
Prayer changes things
Prayer does not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.
An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.
The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs! -
I'm sorry, "Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things", but your assertions regarding atheism and prayer are unfounded. The degree to which your assertions may represent correct statements is 0.0. To help you understand the degree to which your assertions may represent correct statements, I will access my Idiomatic Expression Equivalency module (IEE). Using my IEE module, the expression that best matches the degree to which your assertions may represent correct statements is: "TOTAL FAIL".
I see that you repeat these unfounded statements with high frequency. Perhaps the following book might help you overcome this problem:
I'm Told I Have Dementia: What You Can Do... Who You Can Turn to...
by the Alzheimer's Disease Society
This is my favorite story from belief blog to date. :D
It certainly is the best one I've seen in a while.
Interesting how we like hearing about criminal assault when the victim is viewed as "deserving" of violence...I cheered when Bin Laden was killed. I chuckled at this article.
We are at war with these people and all my lofty ideals get kicked in the corner when I judge the relative worth between "us" and "them". Their religion does not allow any others to exist freely – all must be severely oppressed or obliterated according to the tenets of Islam. They do not respect anything about us, our sovereign countries, our laws, and do not regard the truth as desireable in their interactions with non-believers.
They are worse than Nazis. If this had happened between two young German girls and a Lutheran or Catholic priest, my reaction would be almost identical.
"Interesting how we like hearing about criminal assault when the victim is viewed as "deserving" of violence"
Actually I wasn't cheering the violence, or thinking that anyone deserved it, but the self confidence of those women in that country.
Additionally, I'm thinking that the article is not the whole story and perhaps the cleric was not as mild-mannered as he portrayed nor the women as aggressive.
Yes, I like that part of it, too, and agree that more details might be useful...
Ditto! HOWEVER ... Just like in the United States, I think we need tolerance from both sides of the fence. Hitting a teacher is just as wrong here, as it is there ... our punishments are just less severe (we don't cut off hands here). Hopefully these children won't wind up in jail for the rest of their lives or worse, lose their lives for the momentary display of independence.
As a secondary note, America is founded on the idea of separation of church and state (although we are frequently at odds with that with our politics) but in many countries their religion IS their government and that is the source of many of the basic misunderstandings we have in trying to make sense of Eastern politics. Our laws are alive and flexible and when challenged with logical reasoning (hopefully), change with the times. Many of these countries are relying on laws that were made many, many (did I say many?) years ago and are considered engraved in stone and will never change, even though we find them barbaric, simply because it is also their faith. This is not to say there shouldn't be change, it's just to say that it's much more difficult to change. To change that type of government means to change down to the emotional thinking of each individual in that country and as anyone here who has tried to logically talk to an evangelic preacher, sometimes you just can't come to an understanding just with logic. (I will now step down from my soapbox ... LOL!)
i love reading stories like this. i just hate what we will be reading about next, two women that beat this guy being stoned to death or executed by family.........or held in prison.
Reblogged this on peace2alldotme.
Yes... Good for them for sticking up for themselves and freedom of expression. Hopefully, no reprisals from the Imam's, etc...
And... hopefully, this may help be a catalyst for others in the ME to take a stand over oppressive policies, dogma and behavior.
The above subject article is a good example how distorted things have become in society with the media industry as the main culprit.
The local media, including CNN, Fox and your local TV stations and newspapers are a very important element of social and political behavior, as society is shaped by what it sees, hears and reads and it is conditioned by the events that influence the mind of every person. You reap what you sow.
To allow anyone to be directed by public opinion is dangerous because most public opinion is the view of the media. If the media does not like something, their bias taints information getting to the public, and this forms public opinion. Public opinion is never based on research and facts. The public uses the media for its sole source of information and for this reason social behavior will continue to deteriorate and wax worse and worse (2 Timothy 3:13).
For a better understanding of the role of the media we invite you to read the articles ‘Influence of the Media’ and ‘CNN Belief Blog – Sign of the Times’, listed on our website http://www.aworlddeceived.ca
The media does not provide accurate information on ‘Religion’ as it continues to ignore the truth and the history of deceptions (John 14:17). They only report how they want you to hear things. They have created the big chasm that now exists without offering any solutions.
Consider the truth about Catholicism, Islam, Mormonism, Judaism, Evangelicals and Christianity and all other religions and ask yourself the following question.
Are so-called Catholics, Muslims, Mormons, Israelites and Evangelicals and all those that call themselves ‘Christians’ followers of the teachings of the Lord Jesus Christ and the Word of God, or do they follow after an image of a false god and a false Christ (Matthew 24:24; 2 Cor. 11:13-15; Gal. 4:8)?
For a better understanding of the history of Catholicism, Islam, Mormonism, Christianity, and Judaism and its spread throughout the world, we invite you to read the articles ‘The Mystery Babylon’, ‘Can Christianity or Any Other Religion Save You?’, ‘World History and Developments in the Middle East’ and ‘Clash of Civilizations’, listed on our website http://www.aworlddeceived.ca
Mitt Romney’s and Barack Obama’s faith does not stand in the teachings of Christ but rather in an image of the spirit and the god of this world and a false Christ (Matthew 24:24; 2 Cor. 11:13-15; Gal. 4:8).
For a better understanding of the history of the Mormon Church and Mitt Romney’s quest for the Presidency of the USA, we invite you to read the articles ‘Mormon Church – Cult and Spiritual Harlot’ and ‘Barack Obama – President of the United States of America’, listed on our website.
All of the other pages and articles listed on our website explain how and by whom this whole world has been deceived as confirmed in Revelation 12:9.
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Revelation?? Everyone knows whoever wrote that mess was high as a kite. St. John the Opium Addict, evidently.
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Good for them. I pray that they won't pay a high price for their independence.
Were the roles reversed, males in Islam would never put up with this ridiculous blame game. Girls and women, rise up and fight for your rights. You had them as recently as 100 years ago. Come into the 21st Century with us! It's a new Millennium!
I love these girls, but I fear for their safety.
Good for them.
Too bad all the women trapped in these Middle Eastern hell-holes don't rise up and kick their abusive men in the figs.
Ask him politely to hack off. :)
The women are the ones who are abusive. They expect a violent relationship so they will attack the man until he is forced to fight her off. Then it is the man who is blamed for her violent ways. I was married to one so I know.
No doubt the girls wil end up in jail and/or stoned.
The reality of women trapped in Islam:
Islam gives women almost no rights and treats them like fodder for the male species as so bluntly noted by Ayaan Hirsi Ali in her autobiography, Infidel.
"Thus begins the extraordinary story of a woman born into a family of desert nomads, circu-mcised as a child, educated by radical imams in Kenya and Saudi Arabia, taught to believe that if she uncovered her hair, terrible tragedies would ensue. It's a story that, with a few different twists, really could have led to a wretched life and a lonely death, as her grandmother warned. But instead, Hirsi Ali escaped – and transformed herself into an internationally renowned spokeswoman for the rights of Muslim women."
ref: Washington Post book review.
"Some of the Saudi women in our neighborhood were regularly be-aten by their husbands. You could hear them at night. Their scre-ams resounded across the courtyards. "No! Please! By Allah!"
"The Pakistanis were Muslims but they too had castes. The Untouchable girls, both Indian and Pakistani were darker skin. The others would not play with them because they were un-ouchable. We thought that was funny because of course they were touchable: we touched them see? but also horrifying to think of yourself as untouchable, desp-cable to the human race."
"Between October 2004 and May 2005, eleven Muslim girls were killed by their families in just two regions (there are 20 regions in Holland). After that, people stopped telling me I was exaggerating."
"The kind on thinking I saw in Saudi Arabia and among the Brotherhood of Kenya and Somalia, is incompatible with human rights and liberal values. It preserves the feudal mind-set based on tribal concepts of honor and shame. It rests on self-deception, hyprocricy, and double standards. It relies on the technologial advances of the West while pretending to ignore their origin in Western thinking. This mind-set makes the transition to modernity very painful for all who practice Islam".
Sad but true. Thanks for your factual posts, Reality.
These girls are an inspiration for us all.
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