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Pew poll: Obama opens up lead over Romney among Catholics
Obama has substantially widened his lead among Catholic voters since June, the Pew poll found.
September 27th, 2012
11:24 AM ET

Pew poll: Obama opens up lead over Romney among Catholics

By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor

Washington (CNN) - President Barack Obama has opened up a significant lead among Catholic voters, a crucial swing voting bloc, according to a recent Pew poll.

Obama leads opponent Mitt Romney among Catholic voters by 54% to 39%, according to the survey, conducted from September 12 to 16 by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press.

Obama’s lead in the Pew survey comes despite outspoken recent criticism of the Obama administration from America’s Catholic bishops and despite Mitt Romney’s selection of a Catholic running mate, Wisconsin Rep. Paul Ryan.

The survey was released last week, but the findings on Catholic voters were highlighted this week by the Religion News Service, which notes that Obama held a much tighter 49-47% lead over Romney among Catholics in a June Pew poll.

John Green, a religion and politics expert at the University of Akron, said Obama’s gains among Catholic came from growing support among Hispanic and black Catholic voters, but also from white Catholics, among whom Obama is now tied with Romney.

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“That’s the part of the poll that I think is kind of surprising,” Green said, noting that Obama lost white Catholics in 2008, even as he won the overall Catholic vote.

Green said that it is white Catholics who were most likely to be receptive to the bishops’ recent attacks against the Obama administration over what the church says is the White House’s curtailment of religious freedom.

In its recent “Fortnight for Freedom,” campaign, the church urged American priests to denounce the administration’s requirement that health insurance companies provide free contraception coverage to employees, even if those employees work for Catholic organizations that oppose contraception.

“The bishops were hoping those efforts would bring more moderate and liberal Catholics, not necessarily for Romney but against the administration’s position,” Green said.

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John Allen, CNN’s chief Vatican analyst, noted that at least one other recent national poll gave Romney a slight lead among Catholics, and that Romney leads among Catholics who attend Mass each week.

“That either shows that the more practicing you are, the more pro-Romney (or anti-Obama) you are,” Allen said in an e-mail message, “or it says something about the political message Catholics are getting in their parishes these days.”

Catholic voters, who accounted for more than a quarter of the electorate in the 2008 election, have voted with the winning presidential candidate in every election going back to the early 1990s.

In 2008, Obama beat John McCain among Catholics by 54% to 45%. In 2004, John Kerry - the first Catholic nominee for president since John F. Kennedy - lost the Catholic vote to George W. Bush, provoking Democrats to take Catholic outreach more seriously.

Both major parties had America’s highest-profile Catholic cleric, New York Archbishop Timothy Dolan, give the closing prayer at their recent political conventions.

The Democratic Convention also featured a Catholic nun who led a “nuns on the bus" tour attacking the federal budget that Ryan designed in his role as chairman of the House Budget Committee.

The Obama and Romney campaigns have both rolled out Catholic outreach efforts in recent days, and the Romney camp has highlighted Ryan’s Catholicism.

“A faithful Catholic, Paul believes in the worth and dignity of every human life,” Romney said when he introduced Ryan as his running mate last month.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: 2012 Election • Barack Obama • Bishops • Catholic Church • Mitt Romney • Politics

soundoff (1,503 Responses)
  1. RaisedCatholic

    As someone who has been Catholic for the vast majority of his life, I find it disurbing that so many "pro-lifers" choose candidates based on that one issue. Catholics voted for Bush who started two unjust wars in which thousands of innocent
    lives were lost. Is that respect for life? No one can be pro-life and pro-war. Bush also failed to extend the ban on assault weapons. I don't see very many Catholics protesting those wars, assault weapons, unfair labor practices, etc. Social justice has become an afterthought or Catholics. That is unacceptable. We must be concerned with the plight of the poor,
    the downtrodden, the needy, the sick, and the outcasts. If we aren't, then we are hypocrites.

    September 27, 2012 at 1:55 pm |
    • AJD

      Yep...these people claim to be "pro-life" but then once the baby is born it's basically on its own and they have no regard basically for how crappy that child's life may be. They call themselves pro life but then support wars and the death penalty (which I actually do support in rare very serious completely without a doubt cases) and hacking away at our safety nets so that people end up homeless and starving and are against health care reform so that people die from lack of health care...and before anyone says that doesn't happen or like Romney say "oh but we have ER's and they have to treat you!" lots of people without insurance don't seek care until it's too late and something that could have been treated more easily earlier and saved their life has now become too serious.

      September 27, 2012 at 2:11 pm |
    • Trinity33

      what are you doing? have you forgotten? been a Catholic all your life???
      go back and rediscover your faith.
      RCIA classes might help.

      September 28, 2012 at 2:35 pm |
  2. Chris33

    Catholic bishops said the Ryan budget plan was "immoral."

    September 27, 2012 at 1:53 pm |
    • November 6 will be Black Tuesday for the Right. BWA HA HA HA HA!!!!

      The froth-mouth psycho-politics of the Right are in failure. The Tea Party and the Limbaugh/Beck-propaganda just isn't playing on main street anymore.

      It's like looking at radical left politicos in 1972 – still on stage, but they can't figure out that the show is over and the audience already went home

      September 27, 2012 at 2:00 pm |
    • Jim Brody

      And they were RIGHT!

      September 27, 2012 at 3:00 pm |
    • Yugnok

      No they didn't. Get your facts straight.

      September 27, 2012 at 3:07 pm |
  3. Hong Tong

    It's pretty obvious isn't it? As a strong Catholic, how can We ever vote for a Mormon? I am conservative to a point, but that does not mean I can give up on my values. Don't forget that the Romneys ran across the border to Mexico with their tail between their legs just so that they could practice polygamy and child marriage. Mexicans are strong Catholics as well, and I am sure they don't appreciate that, but that country has a little or no enforcement of laws.

    September 27, 2012 at 1:52 pm |
    • Jeff

      Yup, better a muslim than a mormon.

      September 27, 2012 at 1:56 pm |
    • Get Real

      Are you lost??? Obama believes and promotes Gay Rights, Abortion and birth control. For any Catholic to support or vote for Obama defines your hypocrisy. Each to your own but don't promote yourself a practicing Catholic if you vote for Obama. You are a hypocrite!

      September 27, 2012 at 2:07 pm |
    • AJD

      You can be against these things personally but still not feel that you have the right to tell other people how to live their lives or what to believe.

      September 27, 2012 at 2:13 pm |
    • Hong Tong

      I do not think that Obama is great. But, just because someone runs on GOP platform does not imply that they support Christian values. As a Christian, we need to evaluate people on their values. Tomorrow, some Moslem might run on the GOP ticket on the power of their oil money. Does it mean we need to vote for them just because they are republicans? The Romney's are no better than the border crossing immigrants. At least these poor folks do it to feed their family and children. The Romney's did it so they can continue with their immoral activities.

      September 27, 2012 at 2:17 pm |
    • Rosales

      Get Real is for real. Thanks.

      September 27, 2012 at 5:39 pm |
    • CKEN

      Did you know Romney's ancestors were tortured by the church during the inquisition? Whether that is true or not doesn't matter any more than some ancient history of polygamy should matter. We are supposed to be be voting based on the character and values of the present candidates not their ancestors history. There is substantial evidence that Obama has Islamic and communist leanings, but things like race and religion shouldn't matter. This election is about American values and the future of the country.

      September 30, 2012 at 3:43 am |
  4. I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

    There's no surprising news here:

    "Obama leads opponent Mitt Romney among Catholic voters by 54% to 39%"

    This mirrors the national polls. Consistently, Catholic voters tend to reflect the voting of the nation as a whole and they do so, more or less, here.

    Today's CNN national poll is 49% to 45%. If you look at page 37 of the Pew Report and consider "Likely Voters" instead of "Registered Voters" the numbers are 54% to 40%, and specifically for White, non-Hispanic Catholics: 49% to 46% – an almost exact match with today's CNN poll of polls.

    Which is consistent with the notion that Catholic votes reflect the votes of the nation at large, and is of course why we have two Catholic Vice Presidential candidates.

    September 27, 2012 at 1:51 pm |
  5. aaron

    Yep, these guys believe in the worth and dignity of every human life...until that life is out of the womb. Let the kid starve or whatever after that if they're in the 47% who are not the responsibility of the Repubs.

    September 27, 2012 at 1:50 pm |
    • ajk68

      You try to lump pro-lifers with Romney supporters. I think most pro-lifers are fairly underwhelmed by Romney as a candidate. He certainly does not speak for them. Most pro-lifers have a hard time with the selfish economic policies of the moderate Democrats and the "screw the poor" faction of Republicans. They also have a hard time with the centralist policies of the liberal Democrats. Nothing that the mainstream parties espouse lines up closely with what would be considered just.

      September 27, 2012 at 2:01 pm |
    • The Truth

      "I think most pro-lifers are fairly underwhelmed by Romney as a candidate. He certainly does not speak for them."

      I don't think it's just the pro-lifers who are underwhelmed...which is putting it mildly.

      September 27, 2012 at 2:33 pm |
    • mama kindless

      You are 100% correct, aaron.

      September 27, 2012 at 2:51 pm |
    • CKEN

      And here i thought you were free to do and become whatever you chose, to the best of your God given abilities. One wonders how the west was won or how the pilgrims made it without medicare and welfare. I am not suggesting things like medicare are bad but we need to return our mindset to where people help each other without relying on the government to do it for us. We are destined to the same path as Europe if we don't stabilize our economy and restore the values which made this country great. Values such as helping the poor and disabled which used to be a function of family, church, and community, not government. Of course government in today's society should have a role, but it shouldn't be the first or only place we go for help. As JFK said ask not what your country can do for you. I guess that is some antiquated notion best relegated to trite historical sayings.

      September 30, 2012 at 4:01 am |
  6. Informed

    The founding fathers tried to distance themselves from the reaches of the Catholic church which they blamed for much of Europe's woes and violence over the years. Even back then the excesses of the Pope, the lies of the clergy and the extremism of the fundamentalists were well known. The founding fathers would be horrified to find out how much of their master plans have come undone and how influential the Catholic church has become in US politics.

    September 27, 2012 at 1:44 pm |
    • So tired of the Founding Fathers

      Good point. The founding fathers would probably also be really happy to see women in politics and slaves off of the plantation. If you love the 1770s so much, why don't you just hop a time machine and go back there. Good riddance.

      September 27, 2012 at 2:01 pm |
    • MPLH89

      Well, that, and the fact that the Catholic Church and the Government of England were, basically, in a state of war in the 1700s. The Founding Fathers were a part of the European Protestant culture, and reflected the same opposition, with the exception of a few Founding Fathers who had more advanced views of religious diversity (to include Jefferson and Franklin, if I remember my college education correctly).

      September 27, 2012 at 2:03 pm |
    • ajk68

      Actually the founding fathers were much more concerned with the over-reach of the government.
      Remember, they rebelled against King George III, not the pope. Freedom of creed, including Catholicism, was established in the colonies.
      Read Washington's letter of March 15, 1790.l

      September 27, 2012 at 2:19 pm |
    • Hong Tong

      It is a fact that the founding fathers supported slavery. Otherwise it would have been abolished at Independence. Also they didnt support voting rights for women or they would have got it in the beginning. "All men are created equal" literally means that and does not include women. I am sick and tired of people elevating the founding fathers to the status of God. There have been several great men and women in the history of this planet and the founding fathers were one of them, but they were not even close to perfection.

      September 27, 2012 at 2:47 pm |
  7. ricardo1968

    There is alot more to being catholic, or appealing to catholics than the abortion issue. Not caring for the poor and disabled is a big deal.

    September 27, 2012 at 1:44 pm |
    • Skippy

      News keeps getting better and better. The angry, old white guy demo is shrinking...just like the Repug party!

      Wheeeeeeee!

      September 27, 2012 at 1:49 pm |
    • AJD

      Yep...I talked to a person the other day that said that he will NOT vote for Obama simply because Obama "supports" abortion. First I was astounded that someone would not vote for another based on one single issue and would vote for someone even if they would completely blow the country out of the water otherwise but was in line with them on one single issue. That's simply crazy. Second, as I tried to explain to this person, being for someone's right to choose doesn't mean someone "supports" abortion. I don't like abortion either but I'm certainly not going to put myself in the position of making that kind of decision for someone else. I thing abortion and gay marriage and things like that are just a distraction from the real issues and should be in the purview of churches and people's own consciences, not banned by civil law. There are so many other issues that are far more pressing for the country and have the potential to have a real effect on the country as a whole.

      September 27, 2012 at 1:50 pm |
    • Zandigra

      Skippy I remember a lot of you leftists saying the same thing after the election in 2008. Of course that didn't happen, but guess what did? Remember November 2010???

      September 27, 2012 at 2:09 pm |
  8. Kate

    A lot of my Catholic relatives consider themselves 'good Catholics'....and still reject a lot of Catholic teachings. They are pro-choice and use contraceptives and feel no guilt over doing so. I would bet that a lot of other American Catholics feel the same way.

    September 27, 2012 at 1:39 pm |
    • therealpeace2all

      @Kate

      Different 'shades' of Catholicism, yes ?

      Peace...

      September 27, 2012 at 1:43 pm |
    • Zandigra

      Your alleged Catholic friends who are por-abortion, are Catholic in name only. One cannot support a culture of death and be a Catholic.

      September 27, 2012 at 1:47 pm |
    • Me

      It doesn't matter at all what your friends consider themselves. The Catholic Church defines what it is to be Catholic and therefore what it is to be a good Catholic.

      The term for Catholics who don't believe in the teachings of the Catholic Church is "confused".

      If they considered themselves to be chickens, would they be chickens?

      September 27, 2012 at 1:49 pm |
    • therealpeace2all

      @Zandigra & @Me

      Serious question...I've seen that 95-98% or the vast majority of Catholics are currently or have used contraceptives.

      How do you square this fact with your comments about what it means to be a "real Catholic" ?

      Do you guys use birth control... ever ? Would that make you and everyone else not a "real Catholic" ?

      Peace...

      September 27, 2012 at 1:56 pm |
    • AJD

      I think most catholics like this don't want to give up being a part of the community of the church and have a hard time giving up the traditions they've grown up with but have realized how unrealistic the teachings of the church really are. The catholic religion is dying because it is becoming harder and harder for it to coexist with the real world.

      September 27, 2012 at 2:03 pm |
    • Me

      therealpeace2all: The phrase used was "good Catholics". There have certainly been many times when I went against the teachings of the Catholic Church and in each and every of those times I would consider myself a bad Catholic.

      September 27, 2012 at 2:04 pm |
    • So tired of the Founding Fathers

      This debate gets us nowhere. Catholics cannot choose either of the two presidential candidates – on supports abortion and the other the death penalty. Both contradict Catholic teaching. So what are we (I am Catholic) supposed to do? Well, if you asked your priest (heaven forbid you seek guidance on this issue), he will tell you that Catholics are also supposed to exercise their conscience. Guess what that means? You must choose based on your OWN understanding of the prioritization of these two issues.

      September 27, 2012 at 2:04 pm |
    • MPLH89

      The Catholic Church actually expects its members to use their conscience and not blindly follow instruction. It is under this conscience clause that many nuns have recently voiced a call for dialogue on issues within the Church.

      September 27, 2012 at 2:06 pm |
    • therealpeace2all

      @Me

      Hmm... Okay, so... are you a "good catholic" or a "bad catholic" ?

      Peace...

      September 27, 2012 at 2:07 pm |
    • So tired of the Founding Fathers

      Here's another radical thought. A president is not a king (look it up). The president is not all powerful. Whether abortion or capital punishment continues in the US is not the call of the president alone. So, guess what? You could vote in Romney and work very hard to try to change our barbarian capital punishment policies (which run state by state, but could be trumped by a federal law). Or, you could vote for Obama and work hard to prevent abortions from happening, and make them difficult to attain. In any case, stop whining, make your damn choice, and then work for what you believe to be just.

      September 27, 2012 at 2:10 pm |
    • raforrester

      The Catholic Church may have an opinion about what makes a "good Catholic," but God is the final judge. The Church changes its teachings quite often, considering its long history. It was only in the 19th century that a pope decided that popes are infallible. And unless the Catholic Church excommunicates someone, they are Catholic, whether or not they are "good Catholics." Committing a sin is not grounds for excommunication or there would be no priests left. Even priests who have abused children are sinners and may be defrocked, but are still not excommunicated. Disagreeing with the Church is not grounds for excommunication.

      September 27, 2012 at 2:22 pm |
    • Me

      @therealpeace2all

      The best I can do for you is...sometimes I'm a good Catholic and sometimes I'm a bad Catholic. But I would never consider myself a good Catholic when going against the teachings of the Church.

      September 27, 2012 at 2:26 pm |
    • Me

      @So tired

      The Catholic Church teaches that Catholics should vote for a pro.life candidate over a pro.choice candidate.

      September 27, 2012 at 2:31 pm |
    • Toothless

      One cannot support a culture of death and be a Catholic.

      Sure they can !!
      They are pro war and pro death penalty.
      I didnt see any Republicans protesting the Iraq war.
      Just like your bible,
      you "pick and choose".
      There should be a menu at the front of the bible.

      September 27, 2012 at 2:38 pm |
    • Hong Tong

      Catholics (true ones) cannot support Romney period. It's pretty obvious isn't it? As a strong Catholic, how can We ever vote for a Mormon? I am conservative to a point, but that does not mean I can give up on my values. Don't forget that the Romneys ran across the border to Mexico with their tail between their legs just so that they could practice polygamy and child marriage. Mexicans are strong Catholics as well, and I am sure they don't appreciate that, but that country has a little or no enforcement of laws.

      September 27, 2012 at 2:42 pm |
    • Maria

      I would like to know how many children all the people who say they are good Catholics have and they will never vote for Obama...remember you can only "make" love to procreate. By the way, counting days is not a good way of contraception, of course priests do not need to count, some of them only like children. The Catholic Church is 200 years behind, they have not evolve and unfortunately they are loosing people mostly because the Pope and Archbishops and Bishops are not listening to the people who are really the Church. I do not believe in abortion and I will never get one, but who I am to impose my belief to another human being. I will vote for Obama because I could have the choice to abort if I wanted, I do not want Rommey or Ryan telling me what I can do with my body.

      September 27, 2012 at 6:30 pm |
  9. Sarah

    Look at the picture. Bunch of vacant heads.

    September 27, 2012 at 1:39 pm |
    • ajk68

      Hate much?

      September 27, 2012 at 1:47 pm |
  10. NativeUSA

    You can call yourself a cathlic all you want but if you never attend church and accept what Obama is doing attacking the church/church hospitals then in reality you are not Cathoic, if you are for abortion in all cases you are definitely not cathlic and if you think forcing cathlic hopsitals and church run health insurers to pay for birth control or abortions is fine then just call yourself Chistian light.................you are definitely not cathlic.

    September 27, 2012 at 1:39 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      No True Catholic would uphold and advance the rights of women or support Obama?

      September 27, 2012 at 1:40 pm |
    • Fallacy Spotting 101

      Post by 'NativeUSA' is an instance of the No True Scotsmen fallacy.

      http://www.fallacyfiles.org/glossary.html

      September 27, 2012 at 1:48 pm |
    • solongago

      Probably can't be a true Catholic if you can't spell the word "Catholic" either.

      September 27, 2012 at 1:49 pm |
    • ajk68

      Abortion is not a right of anybody – no matter how many times you spout that mantra.

      September 27, 2012 at 1:50 pm |
    • AJD

      If they only employ catholics then that's fine, they should be able to opt out....but if they employ those not of the catholic faith then they can't force their beliefs onto their employees. It's as simple as that. If they don't want to provide BC, then they should only hire catholics.

      September 27, 2012 at 2:05 pm |
    • MDAT

      Abortion should be a right in any way.

      September 27, 2012 at 2:13 pm |
    • md22mdrx

      Well ... the Catholic Church is doing its best to try to abuse the "Separation" rule in order to try to impose their religion on others. What they don't realize is that it works both ways and protects the individual as well. The individual is protected against religious tyranny .... which is what they're trying to do here.

      September 27, 2012 at 2:30 pm |
    • Toothless

      Sorry Native,
      Just checked my bible.
      Cant find a word from Jesus about abortion or gays for that matter.
      Pretty arogant of you to decide who is a good catholic and
      who is not.
      Arent you "judging" people ?
      How "Jesus" like of you.

      September 27, 2012 at 2:43 pm |
  11. NativeUSA

    Obama attacking the Catholic church forcing Catholic hosptials to fund abortions and birth control any Catholic or Jew that would vote for Obama may as well take a dump on the alter...............burn the American flag and spit in the face of any vet.

    September 27, 2012 at 1:34 pm |
    • ChristopherM

      Your hospitals are not churches. They are open to the public, and therefore are subject to the same public accomodation laws as any other business. Also, more than 20 states already had similar laws requiring businesses to cover women's reproductive health prior to the president's healthcare law. Where were you squaking then?

      September 27, 2012 at 1:37 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      Don't be silly. It's the Catholic Church that must reform or die out in the developed world.

      September 27, 2012 at 1:39 pm |
    • Zandigra

      Christopher M, not one of those 20 states had requirements that self-funded plans provide coverage for serilzation and abortofacients (or "women's reproductive health care" as you call it) as Obama care does. You are comparing apples to oranges.

      September 27, 2012 at 1:51 pm |
    • Skippy

      Fairy Tales!

      Scary Tales!

      Created just to keep the sheeple in line while you loot their pockets and their souls!

      September 27, 2012 at 1:51 pm |
    • Vinnie "moose lips" Rigatoni

      Tuesday, November 6 is going to be "Black Tuesday" for you righties, in so many ways.

      What fun it will be for us to watch!

      September 27, 2012 at 1:52 pm |
    • ChristopherM

      Zandriga, you are being quite disingenuous. The main thing the handful of Catholics who care about this issue are screaming about is coverage of birth control which often is prescribed for health reasons other than birth control. And none of you were screaming then. Regardless, the fact remains that your hospitals are NOT churches and are therefore not subject to the same religious exemptions. By your logic, a hospital owned by Jehovah's Witnesses could be exempted from performing blood transfusions.

      September 27, 2012 at 2:02 pm |
    • Peg

      I'm Catholic and will vote for Obama any day. My views of the Catholic Church shifted when it became evident that the Holy See was covering up abuse – and I'm supposed to listen to them spout about morals???? Please.

      September 27, 2012 at 2:03 pm |
    • Jed Clampett

      I'm guessing that NativeUSA is not a real Native American.

      September 27, 2012 at 2:06 pm |
    • So tired of the Founding Fathers

      I had forgotten that Jesus was born in the US. Thanks for reminding me.

      September 27, 2012 at 2:12 pm |
    • billy davis

      What's your point? The Catholic Church harbored for decades priests that mol ested little boys. Where's your outrage over that.

      September 27, 2012 at 4:59 pm |
    • Zandigra

      @ChristopherM
      I'm not being disingenuous at all. I jsut don't think you quite understand how employer sponsoered insurance plans work. There are fully funded plans and there are self-funded plans. There was NEVER a mandate on self-funded plans in any state to require birth control. NEVER. The mandate you referenced only applied to fully funded plans. Many were complaining abou those mandates, but even then there was a way for employers to opt out of that mandate. Obamacare's mandate is unprecedented and applies to not only birth control but to sterilization and abortofacients. Funny, how you seem to ignore that. So yes, Obamacare is certainly a clear cut example of Obama's war on religion, and the Catholic Church in particular. I suspect this contempt of this was nurutured by his former bigotted pastor, the "Reverend Wright." And Catholic hospitals are just as much a part of the church's ministry as the parishes themselves. You are wrong, just like you warleader Obama.

      September 28, 2012 at 12:28 pm |
  12. Diane

    The fact that church-going Catholics are more likely to support Romney reflects the falling church attendance by Catholics who are turned off by the bishops' propagandizing.

    September 27, 2012 at 1:34 pm |
    • NativeUSA

      EXACTLY DIANE CNN calls anyone ever formerly baptised a catholic as a child somehow a cathoic Christian.........the truth is quite the oppisite. Church attending REAL catholics do NOT support the child aborter church attacker Obama just the pretend ones who are not Catholic by any measure and hardly Christian if at all..............

      September 27, 2012 at 1:36 pm |
    • Skippy

      Exactly. They keep citing numbers like 95% of Catholics use birth control!

      Ooops, try takin it away from them, Repugs, and see where there votes go!

      September 27, 2012 at 2:05 pm |
  13. obama is Out Of Touch with reality

    where, when, I dont believe anything that comes from an obama supporter now since the administration lied about lybia.

    September 27, 2012 at 1:30 pm |
    • ChristopherM

      I don't believe anything from someone talking about Libya who can't actually spell it.

      September 27, 2012 at 1:38 pm |
    • Really?

      Do us all a favor, and refrain from voting. You obviously are not competent enough.

      September 27, 2012 at 1:43 pm |
    • Skippy

      Or just wait and vote sometime later in November!

      September 27, 2012 at 1:54 pm |
    • Skippy

      OMG
      What did he say about labia?

      September 27, 2012 at 2:05 pm |
    • Toothless

      lybia.

      Is that a bone in your foot ?

      September 27, 2012 at 2:48 pm |
    • billy davis

      But you've accepted the 4K dead in Iraq over the lie of WMD's...Police departments don't tell the criminal we are after you until they have evidence. Sometimes you have to leave on your poker face to win. Haven't you not learned that about this POTUS. Need a refresher? Ask bin Laden....

      September 27, 2012 at 5:02 pm |
  14. Bill Deacon

    How can there be social justice without the right to life?

    How deeply regrettable to witness that Catholic education since Vatican II has been so deplorable that
    many “good” Catholics are plainly ignorant not only of their faith, but also of the basic tenets of the
    natural law that they share with all men.

    I urge all men of good will to pause before going into the polls to echo the prayer of the man from Jericho "Lord that I may see."

    September 27, 2012 at 1:26 pm |
    • Toothless

      Catholics are plainly ignorant ....

      Nope, they figured out that what was being stuffed down there throats
      was BS.

      September 27, 2012 at 2:50 pm |
    • Me

      @Toothless

      The issue isn't really what they believe or don't believe. The issue is why people call themselves Catholics when they don't believe in the teachings of the Catholic Church.

      September 27, 2012 at 2:58 pm |
    • Rosales

      I'll pray for you all regardless of your spite.

      September 27, 2012 at 5:44 pm |
  15. New Miracle In Florida

    Hello, Christian Science Monitor.
    ME....Can I speak to a reporter, I have seen a miracle.
    OK, I will put you through.
    Reporter...How can I help you.
    ME...I was out walking my dog and he took a dump on the lawn. When I looked down to scoop it up, it looked just like..
    Reporter, interupting...Like the virgin mary or jesus himself?
    ME....No, no it looked just like old Ratzinger in the Vatican.and...
    Reporter...That's not news, everyone knows he is a pile of sh*it, just scoop it up and flush it, thanks for calling.

    PS: Why can't these guys just preach to their sheepies and leave the rest of us alone?

    September 27, 2012 at 1:17 pm |
    • Skippy

      So
      Spot
      On

      Thx.

      September 27, 2012 at 2:06 pm |
  16. palintwit

    Repeated studies have shown that there is a greater incidence of child molestation and incest among southern white evangelical christians than in any other group. Living in tightly cramped quarters (such as trailer parks) is one of the main causes of perverted behavior among christians.

    September 27, 2012 at 1:15 pm |
    • truth be trolled

      And then you have the Eddie Long's of the world to add.

      September 27, 2012 at 1:20 pm |
    • Zandigra

      Bigot much?

      September 27, 2012 at 1:53 pm |
  17. AvdBerg

    Now make sure you check out the correct site http://www.gaychristian101.com/index.html ~ Thank you Jesus!!!

    September 27, 2012 at 12:24 pm |
  18. AvdBerg

    For a better understanding of the history and s.exual abuse in the Catholic Church and the spirit it serves (Luke 9:55) we invite you to read the articles ‘The Mystery Babylon’, ‘Popes and the Princes of This World’, ‘S.exual Abuse in the Churches’ and ‘S.exual Abuse – Vatican Involvement’ listed on our website http://www.aworlddeceived.ca

    All of the other pages and articles listed on our website explain how and by whom this whole world has been deceived as confirmed in Revelation 12:9.

    September 27, 2012 at 11:56 am |
    • Huebert

      Thank you for considerably shortening your giant block of text.

      September 27, 2012 at 12:11 pm |
    • TROLL ALERT

      AvdBerg is a TROLL on this blog, they have been proven to be liars and are only here to sell their site to support their cult. Don't bother viewing their site, click the report abuse link instead.

      September 27, 2012 at 12:21 pm |
    • mama kindless

      Revelation?? St John the Dopey Dope was high as a kite when he wrote that mess.

      September 27, 2012 at 12:23 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      AvdBerg, you have been deceived by Satan. Please don't attempt to transmit your errors to others. AMDG

      September 27, 2012 at 1:26 pm |
    • Toothless

      Just hit "report abuse"
      we have had enough of this trolling AZZHOLE !

      September 27, 2012 at 2:53 pm |
  19. hippypoet

    belief itself isn't a bad thing. i can say that honestly and believe those words. any belief that makes one want to be a better person is a grand belief to be sure! however, the belief in something unpovable full heartedly is what i find to be disconcerting. the real issue with religion is when those that believe full heartedly run a country or when the majority of the cizitens are religious. For as we all know, the majority make the rule. wether it be thru having more votes or greater numbers in your army the idea is the same, strength in numbers! But when this is the case what you get is oppession.

    any religiously ran government is an oppressive one. All religions state what people should, should not, can, and can not do and even at times religions state when one should do these things. it is in its most basic function a form of social control that warps the mind of the creature being controlled so that the end result is a person who willin
    gly acts in accordance to that very same oppressive government thereby making the government appear to be not controlling at all.

    it is a very nice trick, but aren't tricks for children?
    should we not grow up?
    are dreams really worth giving reality up?
    how is a hope greater then knowledge?
    why aren't other things taken at face value with the same "faith"?
    if anything then at least shouldn't the tenets of your faith be adhered to and be upheld?
    should you stone your own children because they were dissrespectful to you?
    should you kill those of differing cultures or beliefs because they have differing cultures and beliefs?
    would you allow those that survive YOUR jihad to be enslaved and turned into property?
    should women be viewed as property and treated as such?
    how many commandments do you follow and how many do you think there are?
    shouldn't the followers of the abrahamic faith know the answers to these questions?
    was hope greater then knowledge?
    did the dream live up to its reality?

    food for thought.

    September 27, 2012 at 11:47 am |
    • Amniculi

      So...Obama 2012?

      September 27, 2012 at 11:51 am |
    • hippypoet

      i will not vote for one that may very well be suffering from a mental illness. i am awaiting the day when a rational thinking person runs and when someone askes their religious beliefs they reply with – "church and state are separate and therefore there is no need to anwser that, however i value facts over belief. i would not as president of the United States made a judgement call without first examining all the facts. should i go around just believing that "this" person is guilty where "that" person isn't? perhaps instead of answeringf i should rather just ask you what you believe the answer is and then blindly go with it!"

      now will be a wonderful day.

      ATHEIST FOR PRESIDENT! the only rational call!

      September 27, 2012 at 12:03 pm |
    • Amniculi

      So...you don't vote?

      September 27, 2012 at 12:43 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      The state itself isn't a bad thing. I can say that honestly and believe those words. Any law that improves society is a grand thing to be sure! however, the belief that man can legislate a sustainable society with a government untempered by religious freedom is what I find to be disconcerting. The real issue with the state is when those solely invested in political power run a country or when the majority of the citizens are anti-religious. For as we all know, the majority make the rule, whether it be thru having more votes or greater numbers in your army the idea is the same, strength in numbers! But when this is the case what you get is oppression. This is why religion must be allowed to flourish unfettered yet separate from political power.

      Any government is an oppressive one without a counterbalancing philosophy in the land. All governments control what people should, should not, can, and can not do and even at times control when one should do these things. It is in its most basic function a form of social control that restricts freedom of the creature being governed so that the end result is a person who willingly acts in accordance to that very same oppressive government thereby making the government appear to be not controlling at all.

      it is not a very nice trick. It is despotism.
      should we not grow up and acknowledge that religious convictions delineate the very path to personal freedom envisioned by the founders?

      Is the dream of a government with no submission to Divine authority really worth the exposure to malfeasance by man?
      How is a hope greater then knowledge? The answer is that knowledge tells us where we are. Hope tells us where we may go.

      Why aren't other things taken at face value with the same "faith"? The answer is apparently they are as some would place their faith in a government without regard to the freedom of men which comes from God, not from king or congress.

      The original post now deviates from a discussion on civics to one on theology, wherein the original author displays simplistic scenarios and reduces religious tenets to ridiculous extremes. This response corrects only hippy's misunderstanding of civics and does not attempt o address his religious ignorance. That would be forcing my religion down his throat and I believe we all should have the freedom to maintain our preferred ignorance

      food for thought.

      September 27, 2012 at 1:31 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      I think a rational person may make a judgment call to make the sounds of someone with deep religious faith so as to be recognized as one having a moral center by people who don't understand such things outside of a religious context. Obama is one such person, I think.

      September 27, 2012 at 1:36 pm |
    • hippypoet

      no, i do not vote ... haven't had a decent person to vote for yet.

      and there are no misunderstandings here...i know exactly where i come from and what i am saying and its truth. not a belief of truth but an actual truth based on facts. i have little religious ignorance as i have studied much into the depths of many belief systems and would like it if those that claim belief would chose to learn as much as i have.

      directly at bill – i would address all of your statments but i think a simple sentence will work nicely here...any government is in place by the people and should reflect all peoples philosophies not a sole notion of truth nor belief held more strongly then anothers.

      September 27, 2012 at 2:13 pm |
    • Trinity33

      A government that is big enough to give you anything you want is a government strong enough to take everthing you have away. Never fear your government – make them fear you – you can vote them out.
      obama needs to go, he is the president of lies, he relies on your ignorance.

      September 28, 2012 at 2:43 pm |
  20. Huebert

    This really isn't that surprising. Most American Catholics are moderates who don't attend mass every week and use contraception. They are far more in line with Obama's social policies than Romney's.

    September 27, 2012 at 11:32 am |
    • Amniculi

      Thank God!

      September 27, 2012 at 11:41 am |
    • Huebert

      @Amniculi

      Pun intended?

      September 27, 2012 at 12:13 pm |
    • Amniculi

      Indubitably.

      September 27, 2012 at 12:44 pm |
    • Zandigra

      The folks you describe are about as Catholic as Obama.

      September 27, 2012 at 1:56 pm |
    • Huebert

      @Zan

      Thanks, I was wondering how long it would be before someone posted the No true Catholic err...Scotsman fallacy.

      September 27, 2012 at 2:48 pm |
    • Amniculi

      Lol

      September 27, 2012 at 3:52 pm |
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