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Pew poll: Obama opens up lead over Romney among Catholics
Obama has substantially widened his lead among Catholic voters since June, the Pew poll found.
September 27th, 2012
11:24 AM ET

Pew poll: Obama opens up lead over Romney among Catholics

By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor

Washington (CNN) - President Barack Obama has opened up a significant lead among Catholic voters, a crucial swing voting bloc, according to a recent Pew poll.

Obama leads opponent Mitt Romney among Catholic voters by 54% to 39%, according to the survey, conducted from September 12 to 16 by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press.

Obama’s lead in the Pew survey comes despite outspoken recent criticism of the Obama administration from America’s Catholic bishops and despite Mitt Romney’s selection of a Catholic running mate, Wisconsin Rep. Paul Ryan.

The survey was released last week, but the findings on Catholic voters were highlighted this week by the Religion News Service, which notes that Obama held a much tighter 49-47% lead over Romney among Catholics in a June Pew poll.

John Green, a religion and politics expert at the University of Akron, said Obama’s gains among Catholic came from growing support among Hispanic and black Catholic voters, but also from white Catholics, among whom Obama is now tied with Romney.

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“That’s the part of the poll that I think is kind of surprising,” Green said, noting that Obama lost white Catholics in 2008, even as he won the overall Catholic vote.

Green said that it is white Catholics who were most likely to be receptive to the bishops’ recent attacks against the Obama administration over what the church says is the White House’s curtailment of religious freedom.

In its recent “Fortnight for Freedom,” campaign, the church urged American priests to denounce the administration’s requirement that health insurance companies provide free contraception coverage to employees, even if those employees work for Catholic organizations that oppose contraception.

“The bishops were hoping those efforts would bring more moderate and liberal Catholics, not necessarily for Romney but against the administration’s position,” Green said.

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John Allen, CNN’s chief Vatican analyst, noted that at least one other recent national poll gave Romney a slight lead among Catholics, and that Romney leads among Catholics who attend Mass each week.

“That either shows that the more practicing you are, the more pro-Romney (or anti-Obama) you are,” Allen said in an e-mail message, “or it says something about the political message Catholics are getting in their parishes these days.”

Catholic voters, who accounted for more than a quarter of the electorate in the 2008 election, have voted with the winning presidential candidate in every election going back to the early 1990s.

In 2008, Obama beat John McCain among Catholics by 54% to 45%. In 2004, John Kerry - the first Catholic nominee for president since John F. Kennedy - lost the Catholic vote to George W. Bush, provoking Democrats to take Catholic outreach more seriously.

Both major parties had America’s highest-profile Catholic cleric, New York Archbishop Timothy Dolan, give the closing prayer at their recent political conventions.

The Democratic Convention also featured a Catholic nun who led a “nuns on the bus" tour attacking the federal budget that Ryan designed in his role as chairman of the House Budget Committee.

The Obama and Romney campaigns have both rolled out Catholic outreach efforts in recent days, and the Romney camp has highlighted Ryan’s Catholicism.

“A faithful Catholic, Paul believes in the worth and dignity of every human life,” Romney said when he introduced Ryan as his running mate last month.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: 2012 Election • Barack Obama • Bishops • Catholic Church • Mitt Romney • Politics

soundoff (1,503 Responses)
  1. Dorothy

    It does not surprise me in the least that the majority of Catholics are voting for Obama. Many Catholics believe that the hierarchy is not in touch with current medical ethical issues and social issues. Many of the current scandals in which they have had complicity have caused them to lose their moral authority and credibility among Catholics. Obviously most of us are more likely to "get on board" with the "nuns of the bus" rather than be thrown under the wheels of the popemobile. The former seems to be on a straighter course to heaven than the latter.

    September 28, 2012 at 8:01 pm |
    • Angela

      Dorothy thinks she is the voice for all Roman Catholics. Too funny. What a crock. Perhaps Dorothy didn't receive enough attention as a child.

      September 30, 2012 at 7:01 pm |
    • OneADay

      Whereas Angela, who also received no attention as a child (being a catholic), actually does speak for all catholics.

      September 30, 2012 at 7:33 pm |
    • Angela

      Are you blind or just childish? Look at this blog. It's evenly split of differing opinions among Catholics. Since 2009, there isn't a single person I've spoken with who would waste his/her vote on Obama. That isn't exclusive to Catholics. Wake up already.

      October 2, 2012 at 3:30 am |
  2. Freelance

    MEW : Romney surges among Mormons, and folks filled with hatred.

    September 28, 2012 at 7:06 pm |
  3. Red Riley

    why does birth control have to be covered under insurance if you want it-buy it.

    September 28, 2012 at 4:51 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      Well Red, I think covering it on insurance makes sense because of the cost of an unwanted pregnancy and the associated health risks.

      September 28, 2012 at 4:53 pm |
    • Jen L

      Because, brain case, I already bought the insurance. Why should my health insurance not cover medication because of some third party's religious beliefs?

      And before you even start, if my employer purchases my insurance, that's a benefit of my hours of work. My employer does not have the authority to ban me from investing in disapproved companies via my 401k because of his religious beliefs. Why should my employer have the authority to charge me extra for my medication because of his religious beliefs?

      Not only is contraception a valid medical issue, I should not have to pay for prescription medication to treat a medical condition because my employer's religion is opposed to a DIFFERENT use of that medication.

      Men should really butt out of the health care for women issue until they become informed.

      September 28, 2012 at 5:49 pm |
    • Chick-a-dee

      @ Jen L:

      "Why should my health insurance not cover medication" ?

      Because it is not a medical necessity without reasonable alternatives. It also should not cover, breast augmentations, tooth whitening treatment, face lifts, nose jobs, tummy tucks, hair coloring, vasectomies, tubal ligations, Viagra, Rogain ect, ect.

      September 28, 2012 at 6:17 pm |
    • Wrenn_NYC

      But it can be a medical necessity – there are medical issues that BC pills handle – with birth control being basically a side effect. Regulating periods is one (done for various medical reasons).

      SO it's your opinion that it shouldn'b cover viagra, tubal ligation, vasectomy.. etc. But it does. Add disallowing it to cover those things is not at question or at issue here. Only BC pills and abortion.

      Jen L is correct though. If you talk to your HR people at work they can tell you that your health coverage IS a part of your 'Pay Package'. It's not something your employer does out of the goodness of his heart for free. It's considered part of your pay. I don't know if you've had this discussion with your HR... I have – about how my raise was small or non existent last year because health insurance went up. Instead of getting an increase in my paycheck, it went to cover an increase in my health care costs. . My health coverage is mine. I can do with it what I want.

      This is not a matter of religious freedom. It's a matter of enforcing your own personal religious moral code on your employees. Restricting their rights. Restricting what they can do with what you pay them. Health insurance is a part of their pay. It is simple.

      September 30, 2012 at 12:38 pm |
    • Red Riley

      In the end it will not be your employer who now offers the benefit to provide you with insurance but it will be up to the individual to buy thier insurance and then we shall all pay for all those who can not afford to buy insurance and cover all the items for people who do not act in a responsibile manner. I have to believe most people do not care if you want to take birth control or get an abortion even if morrally you believe it is wrong but many of us do not want to pay for those who do not act responsible-medically necessary is a different story I am talking about people who make poor choice after poor choice. Why penalize people who make the right choices in life.

      September 30, 2012 at 8:42 pm |
  4. Bill Deacon

    I wonder how many people comprehend the sheer stupidity of my posts.

    September 28, 2012 at 4:27 pm |
  5. Concerned Independent Catholic

    Obama crossed a line by requiring the Church to fund contraception. HE HAS LOST THE CATHOLIC VOTE.

    Christianity is not something to keep at home. When you punish hospitals for being Catholic its a RED LINE.

    September 28, 2012 at 4:21 pm |
    • Veritas

      You know ACA doesn't do that so why inflame with untruths?

      September 28, 2012 at 4:55 pm |
    • Jen L

      Catholicism IS something to be kept at home. As a non-Catholic, I have the right to freedom from your personal choice of religion. Why do you think that only Catholics get to have freedom of religion?

      My religion isn't opposed to removing a fetus to save my life; why should your religion trump my right to my life?

      September 28, 2012 at 5:52 pm |
    • Another Concerned Independent Catholic

      I agree with you wholeheartedly. Also, this article is ridiculous. Every Catholic I know intends to vote for Mitt Romney. Obama doesn't respect the unborn or many of the values of the Roman Catholic faith. To write an article and assume he has a "majority of Catholic voters" is ludicrous. Most Catholics, independents, democrats, etc., cannot wait to vote Obama out.

      September 28, 2012 at 7:18 pm |
    • Another Concerned Independent Catholic

      My previous post should have stated all Catholics, independents, democrats, etc., that I know of cannot wait to vote Obama out

      September 28, 2012 at 7:21 pm |
    • Wrenn_NYC

      Except it doesn't do that. Catholic church run organizations are exempt. That has been the case from the first raised argument, That amendment was put into the law. Catholic churches and catholic church run organizations are exempt from this.

      But you will cling to your misinformation.

      I wish people would educate themselves. But I wish in vain.

      September 30, 2012 at 12:41 pm |
    • Veritas

      You do realise that the Latino population is mostly catholic? I can't remember the numbers but the majority of Latinos are expected to vote for Obama.

      September 30, 2012 at 7:38 pm |
    • Angela

      A majority of the Latino population may be "expected" to vote for Obama, but the majority of Latinos are conservative Catholics and hold those values close. Obama doesn't respect Catholics just as he doesn't respect the average business person.

      October 2, 2012 at 3:35 am |
  6. rikifromnj

    If you're all so against abortion – there is an easy fix to that.... DON'T HAVE ONE. Where are all the pro-lifers when the baby is born to an un-wed, improverished mother... no where to be found. Do any of the pro-lifers offer to take responsibility for the baby... no! They just want to pass judgment on everyone else. I thank GOD I'm NOT a Catholic and cane think for myself. The religion was built on hypocrisy.

    September 28, 2012 at 4:08 pm |
    • John

      You obviously have never been to a Catholic church.....our primary concern is taking care of all and yes that includes helping to care for mothers and their children. I am a member of the Knights of Columbus, a fraternal organization dedicated to charity....we help all who need it in our parish and community and we don't care if you are Catholic or atheist.

      September 28, 2012 at 4:42 pm |
    • Veritas

      John. Good for you. I think the broader point is, for example, the GOP oppose abortion but treat the resultant (often) single mother as a parasite. It's expensive to raise children over the 18 or so years they need support and it is hypocritical to say we oppose you making a decision based upon, among other things, your financial situation and then leave the mother and child to suffer financially with all the problems that often brings.

      September 28, 2012 at 5:13 pm |
  7. Vic

    There are certain intrinsic beliefs in Catholic teaching. Other beliefs are a part of Catholic teaching, but not intrinsic. Respect for innocent human life from conception is an intrinsic belief. That means that respect for such life takes precedence over other teachings that are not intrinsic. Other teachings that are not intrinsic can be discussed and disagreement can be allowed (i.e., how to best help the poor). No disagreement is permitted on intrinsic issues. How can one have respect for any life if not for the most vulnerable among us? That is where it starts. Obama is the most pro abortion president in history. Practicing Catholics have one viable option in the presidential election.

    September 28, 2012 at 3:52 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      This should be easily understood.

      September 28, 2012 at 4:22 pm |
    • Veritas

      You know that is not accurate. Obama sees abortion as a last resort, but remains pro-choice. Reagan and Romney were both once pro-choice (and more liberal for that matter). I see the so-called pro-life movement as flawed – it only cares about yet-to-be-conceived life or yet-to-be-born life. No apparent concern for existing life else we'd see more pressure for drug safety, food safety, water safety, workplace safety, road safety, gun safety, etc. Then there's the lack of clean water, lack of food, lack of healthcare that kill 1000s daily.

      September 28, 2012 at 5:28 pm |
    • Chick-a-dee

      Neither party platform conforms to Catholic teaching. One of the parties is trying to pass off a man who believes, and has taught as a Bishop, that man can become a god of his own planet in the afterlife, that God is not a single Being in Three Persons, that each member of the Holy Trinity is a separate god, and that Jesus and Satan are brothers.
      I will NOT vote for Romney. If he can get the most important thing in life, knowledge of God, so wrong there isn't a chance that he can get anything of importance right.

      September 28, 2012 at 6:26 pm |
    • Wrenn_NYC

      Intrinsic? You are aware that ' life begins at conception' was decided, at first, in the late 19th century and put into church law in 1917?

      Don't you know the history of your church?

      The current election is a quandary for believing Catholics. We have, on one hand, a president who allows abortion (which is a legal procedure) and is not against gay marriage. We have a challenger who *states an anti-abortion stance (and who's party has had that as a plank for 36 years and has done f * all to make it illegal in that time) and who has a budget that has been decried and condemned by the american catholic bishops conference as against catholic morals.

      NEITHER is a good candidate, by catholic standards.

      September 30, 2012 at 12:46 pm |
  8. GBfromOhio

    I am always simultaneously annoyed and amused by the dogma of religion, that "said", my son went to a Catholic high school and received an excellent education. I've found most (non-evangelical) Catholics to be very thoughtful and they know the typical progressive is NOT pro-abortion, we feel abortion should always be the last choice and is a very personal and difficult decision for women and their physician to make. Romney's contempt for almost half of this country puts him at odds with most Catholics, these poll numbers are not a huge shocker to me.

    September 28, 2012 at 2:52 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      I don't believe Mr. Romney's description of 47% of the country as non-tax paying is anything other than factual.

      September 28, 2012 at 4:23 pm |
    • Veritas

      Bill. How do feel about corporations such as GE not paying tax, or corporations such as Shell getting huge taxbreaks. Or Romney having so many offshore accounts whose purpose is either a bet against the US economy or a way to avoid US taxes. I not sure how accurate that 47% figure is but it includes people who don't earn enough to pay their taxes ; GE, Shell, and Romney all get corporate welfare in the form of tax breaks.

      September 28, 2012 at 5:20 pm |
    • Chick-a-dee

      @ Bill Deacon: The number 47% is not the problem. The fact that Romney coupled it with the statement that it isn't his job to worry about them is the problem. That very much is his job if he wants to claim he is a Christian.

      September 28, 2012 at 6:30 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      47% bah humbug! He only wants ~49% to get elected.

      If elected, the only people Willard would represent are the 1%.

      September 28, 2012 at 7:12 pm |
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    September 28, 2012 at 2:35 pm |
    • GBfromOhio

      Huh?

      September 28, 2012 at 2:55 pm |
  10. Voyager

    Ronaldo, how is Pres. Obama "bent on destroying life"? Has he gone on a crusade imploring women to have abortions? NO. He does try to help the less fortunate LIVING men, women and children and middle class in this country, UNLIKE the phoney-religious Right. Try reading your Bible, my friend. Compassion for the living is in there.

    September 28, 2012 at 2:11 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      Not a Catholic are you?

      September 28, 2012 at 4:24 pm |
    • 0G-No gods, ghosts, goblins or ghouls

      70+% of all abortions in the USA are had by believers. When are believers going to take personal responsibility for reducing the number of abortions by not having them? Why isn't your god's magic or fear of your god not sufficient to stop most abortions. Abortion is not Obama's problem – it's a believer problem.

      September 29, 2012 at 12:19 pm |
    • Wrenn_NYC

      - Og -

      Well, , yes... if we are a county that is 70% christian, then it is likely that close to 70% of all abortions are done by christians. (polls have born this out). Police your own churches, within your own churches.
      Don't work towards a theocracy, that's where you'll have a problem. Because when you work towards a theocracy, and work to make YOUR personal religions codes the law of the land, other's religions have issue. (Not just the irreligious).

      September 30, 2012 at 12:50 pm |
  11. Ronaldo

    Dorothy, why would you support the NUTS on bus? They are radicals and not true catholics.

    September 28, 2012 at 2:09 pm |
  12. John

    I believe that most Catholics that attend mass every week will not support Obama, at least in my parish. A Catholic can not support Obama or any other pro-abortion politician.

    To vote for a candidate who supports the intrinsic evil of abortion or “abortion rights” when there is a morally acceptable alternative would be to cooperate in the evil ‑ and, therefore, morally impermissible.

    September 28, 2012 at 1:20 pm |
    • John

      I find just the opposite in my parish. I , like most people I have spoken to at church, believe that being a good Christian is caring about the needy and not the greedy. We also think that a Romney presidency would be a disaster for the middle class. I think even the church knows that a Romney presidency would mean less money in the basket.

      September 28, 2012 at 1:26 pm |
    • jade turner

      After doing debate in college, I learned that you can make a statistic or poll say anything you want it to. I don't listen to the polls, I listen to the people. As an aside, I got a polling call one day and as soon as they found out which party I supported, they hung up...hmmmm.

      September 28, 2012 at 2:02 pm |
    • John

      Maybe you didn't read the second paragraph.

      September 28, 2012 at 4:36 pm |
  13. Derek

    I don't trust this media to provide balanced journalism. Why would they publish unskewed polls?

    September 28, 2012 at 1:11 pm |
  14. Convert

    Contradictory polls of Catholic voters shouldn't surprise anyone. Christianity is bigger than the right-left political axis, and aspects of the Gospel are reflected in the platforms of both parties. That said, while the Church is neither liberal nor conservative, issues of life are threshold moral issues with broad implications for human dignity.

    September 28, 2012 at 1:06 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      I wonder how many people truly comprehend your incisive statement.

      September 28, 2012 at 2:19 pm |
  15. jcrews

    Yet another president elected by the delusional vote

    September 28, 2012 at 12:44 pm |
  16. claudia

    I am a devout Catholic and I know many Catholics that would never vote for Obama. A Catholic cannot in conscience vote for a candidate that is pro choice because he or she would be "aiding and abetting" A Catholic needs to accept EVERYTHING the Church teaches on faith and morals, not just what he/she may think. A "cafeteria Catholic" is not a faithful Catholic.

    September 28, 2012 at 12:31 pm |
    • maryd

      you are not pro-life, you are pro-fetus. Once a baby that is not wanted or cannot be afforded is born your crusade is over. It is time to look at total life not pre-life. you are all such hypocrats that you would vote for a war mongering president over a peace loving one and still pretend you are pro-life.

      September 28, 2012 at 12:58 pm |
    • John

      I take offense to your comment. I find the self-righteous such as yourself are usually pro death penalty also. The hypocricy is sickening.

      September 28, 2012 at 1:30 pm |
    • Wrenn_NYC

      And instead you can vote for a candidate and a VP who have a budget plan that tosses the needy and poor and the elderly under the bus. Who wants to increase our military spending, advocates military intervention overseas... instead of one who is trying to draw down our military.

      We know you've read Humanae Vitae. Go and read Deus Caritas. (hint, both are papal encyclicals)

      Cafeteria catholic? Look in the mirror.

      Also, ask yourself. Why has the republican party never, in 36 years, made any full on press to repeal abortion? It's been their party plank for 36 years, and you, a good little idjit, will vote for them on that plank alone.

      They must keep it to get such votes.

      September 28, 2012 at 1:31 pm |
    • notraitors

      John, I know exactly what you mean. I find it incomprehensible that those who have no problem ending potential human life are so opposed to a murderer facing justice for his (or her) crime.

      If I were a liberal, I wouldn't touch the issue of hypocrisy with a 25-foot pole

      September 28, 2012 at 1:52 pm |
    • lee

      "A Catholic needs to accept EVERYTHING the Church teaches on faith and morals"

      The only things that need a shepherd are sheep, which you obviously are.

      September 28, 2012 at 1:55 pm |
    • Independent Catholic

      I completely agree with Claudia. Also, the larger conversation here no one is courageous enough to talk about or admit to is that a lot of women in the U.S. who have abortions are having REPEATED abortions. They are using abortion as a form of birth control. This has been proven many times. Obama turns a blind eye because he is trying to buy the "women vote." Also, two abortion facilities were closed down in the State of Illinois by the Department of Health. Any well informed Catholic who respects innocent life would never give their vote to Obama.

      September 28, 2012 at 7:35 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @IC,

      I think the word you are looking for is contraception.

      Abortion is literally a form of birth control.

      September 28, 2012 at 7:37 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      Lots of Catholics in serious denial here.

      According to Pew, Catholic likely voters will vote for Obama 54% to 39% if the election were held today.

      http://projects.pewforum.org/2012-presidential-election-candidate-religious-groups/#catholics

      Even amongst white non-Hispanic Catholic likely voters (who voted for John McCain 52% / 47%) the split is for Obama 49% to 46%.

      You may think you don't know any Catholics who will vote for Obama, but statistically, around half of your fellow congregants will. Perhaps they just don't want to discuss politics with you at the church door.

      Page 37 here:
      http://www.people-press.org/files/legacy-pdf/09-19-12%20Political%20release.pdf

      September 28, 2012 at 7:44 pm |
    • Independent Catholic

      @I'm not a GOPer: Your comments are childish and ignorant. Abortion is not contraception. You don't speak for me or anyone else, particularly in the Catholic Church. Keep your immature, shallow comments to yourself. You sound foolish.

      September 28, 2012 at 7:49 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      Of course abortion isn't contraception. That was my point.

      September 28, 2012 at 7:52 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @IC

      Gee another one issue voter, how . . . tedious.

      September 28, 2012 at 7:52 pm |
    • Independent Catholic

      @I'm not a GOPer: Stop wasting your time with copy and paste articles that true Roman Catholics have no desire to read. Obama doesn't have the Catholic vote. Stop wasting your time.

      September 28, 2012 at 7:54 pm |
    • Independent Catholic

      Wow. This must be Romper Room for the regular CNN troll commenters. That explains a lot. Kudos to Claudia for speaking out.

      September 28, 2012 at 7:56 pm |
    • Independent Catholic

      Wrenn_NYC is obviously willfully ignorant to the very aggressive attempt by Republicans and possibly some conservative Democrats to agree with the attempt at defunding Planned Parenthood. That has only been in the national news at least a dozen times in the last couple of years.

      September 28, 2012 at 8:00 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Independent Catholic

      Trolls? Really?

      "Oh boohoo there's not enough people agreeing with me, therefore those who don't are just trolls."
      Do you even really know what a troll is or does? I really doubt you do.
      Also, wasn't George W. intensively anti-abortion (what it really is you're espousing)? There goes anti-abortion being indicative of a good moral person.

      September 28, 2012 at 8:09 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @IC,

      Perhaps these repeat abortions are by people who won't use contraception because their priest tells them it is sinful to do so.

      Call me a childish troll if you will. I don't care. It doesn't change the facts and right now, it looks like our President, Mr. Obama, will be re-elected and Catholic votes in Ohio and Pennsylvania will make all the difference.

      "You are entitled to your own opinion, but you are not entitled to your own facts." – Daniel Patrick Moynihan (a Catholic, as I recall)

      September 28, 2012 at 8:09 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @IC,

      oh and by the way, I 'copied and pasted' nothing but links to the original survey sources for this article, but I suppose you believe that the Pew Forum is left-leaning and therefore everything they produce must be wrong by definition.

      You are in complete denial.

      September 28, 2012 at 8:16 pm |
    • Independent Catholic

      "One issue voter." Oh, how very trivial and patheticl. You Obama bots are all the same. You parrot the same language, Obama is "popular", the "majority agree with Obama", "high approval ratings for Obama." You are clueless to the highest degree. Obama is a clown. Tell me, do you still believe the Libyan terrorist attack where our U.S. ambassador was murdered was due to a Youtube clip? The typical Obama bot believes anyone who is against him is a one issue voter? Laughable. Obama is the worst president in 75 years. Take a look at his foreign policy. No other world leaders respect him or believe he is a leader. Obama has been a campaigner-in-chief for his first term. You're both delusional. Do you remember the midterms? Maybe you weren't awake them. Anyone choosing to vote for Mitt Romney over Obama doesn't need "one issue." Obama has been a clown since he took office. "Laser beam focus on the economy" and all of his other lame one-liners. That sure boosted the economy....lol. The average intelligent American will vote Obama out of office because he is a derelict who has displayed his incompetence for far too long. You two are laughable.

      September 29, 2012 at 9:20 am |
    • Independent Catholic

      What is your purpose for bringing up George W. Bush? Bush was a war-monger, he doesn't respect life, the same desperate liberal talking points that mean nothing. Most Christians including Catholics, Mormons, Protestants are anti-abortion. You two have a very weak argument. Obama is a failure and a clown. Life-long Democrats I've spoken with say they plan to vote Obama out of office because of Obamacare and that was said in mid 2010. Obama doesn't know how to govern nor does he respect the military. Navy Seals don't respect him. That has been proven in a recent book. Obama is a joke. In 3 years, everyone I've talked with have expressed their disgust with the clown. Obama has the welfare vote in his back pocket, and that is what he will be remembered for. Another shining example is the Cleveland woman screaming the other day about her Obama phone who probably hasn't worked in 9 years. Obama stated in 2010: "At some point you've made enough money." Obama won over many hearts with that statement. He is anti-business and anti-American. How many Obama issues is that? I can think of at least a dozen. Both of you fools are in denial. Unbelievable.

      September 29, 2012 at 9:35 am |
    • Independent Catholic

      @Hawaiiguest: Other issues why this voter and others will be voting Obama out of office in November. Bankrupted Solyndra and at least 20 other green energy companies that all were bankrupted the last 3 years. You make it too easy. 23 million unemployed and last week at least 1200 coal miners losing their jobs. Obama's flunkies claim he created 8 million jobs. There are more lost jobs under Obama than created. Quit while you're ahead. It's the economy, stupid. This Catholic issue is one that is a minor issue in the minds of millions of disgusted Americans with the celebrity/clown-in-chief.

      September 29, 2012 at 11:15 am |
  17. AvdBerg

    The above mentioned article is a good example how distorted things have become in society with the media industry as the main culprit.

    The natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him, neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned (1 Cor. 2:15).

    In order for anyone to be able to understand the Word of God they must repent and turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan unto God (Acts 26:18).

    The Word of God is not to be interpreted (2 Peter 1:20) and it is the discerner of every thought and intent of the heart (Hebrews 4:12).

    The local media, including CNN, Fox and your local TV stations and newspapers are a very important element of social and political behavior, as society is shaped by what it sees, hears and reads and it is conditioned by the events that influence the mind of every person. You reap what you sow.

    To allow anyone to be directed by public opinion is dangerous because most public opinion is the view of the media. If the media does not like something, their bias taints information getting to the public, and this forms public opinion. Public opinion is never based on research and facts. The public uses the media for its sole source of information and for this reason social behavior will continue to deteriorate and wax worse and worse (2 Timothy 3:13).

    The media does not provide accurate information on ‘Religion’ as it continues to ignore the truth and the history of deceptions (John 14:17). They only report how they want you to hear things. They have created the big chasm that now exists without offering any solutions.

    For a better understanding of the role of the media we invite you to read the articles ‘Influence of the Media’ and ‘CNN Belief Blog – Sign of the Times’, listed on our website http://www.aworlddeceived.ca

    Consider the truth about Catholicism, Islam, Mormonism, Judaism, Evangelicals and Christianity and all other religions and ask yourself the following question.

    Are so-called Catholics, Muslims, Mormons, Israelites and Evangelicals and all those that call themselves ‘Christians’ followers of the teachings of the Lord Jesus Christ and the Word of God, or do they follow after an image of a false god and a false Christ (Matthew 24:24; 2 Cor. 11:13-15; Gal. 4:8)?

    For a better understanding of the history of Catholicism, Islam, Mormonism, Christianity, and Judaism and its spread throughout the world, we invite you to read the articles ‘The Mystery Babylon’, ‘Can Christianity or Any Other Religion Save You?’, ‘World History and Developments in the Middle East’ and ‘Clash of Civilizations’, listed on our website http://www.aworlddeceived.ca

    All of the other pages and articles listed on our website explain how and by whom this whole world has been deceived as confirmed in Revelation 12:9.
    Seek, and ye shall find (Matthew 7:7).

    September 28, 2012 at 12:06 pm |
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      September 28, 2012 at 12:17 pm |
  18. David

    With the exception of Muslims, I don't see how anyone of faith can vote for Obama.

    September 28, 2012 at 11:57 am |
    • Primewonk

      David, could you explain to us why you fundiot nutters ignore Article VI, Section 3 of the US Constîtution?

      September 28, 2012 at 12:15 pm |
    • StevenR

      Huh. It would seem the opposite. Nobody that understands the REAL MEANING of religion – that we are to love and care for each other – would vote for Romney. If you believe that religion is just a method for old men to control women and children THEN you would vote for Romney.

      Take your pick, Mr. Religious...

      September 28, 2012 at 12:32 pm |
  19. pam

    My whole family is catholic. The nuns on the bus hold more sway for us because they preach compassion and helping the poor which is what religion should be about. The sense I am getting from our church is that people trust the word of their sisters much more than they do from the high honchos in the church. Those in power haven't always had the good of the people at heart....especially children and women under their care.

    September 28, 2012 at 11:44 am |
    • Bill Deacon

      So in a whole family of Catholics no one has read Humanae Vitae?

      September 28, 2012 at 12:12 pm |
    • claudia

      or the Catechism of the Catholic Church!? Kudos to you Deacon!

      September 28, 2012 at 12:33 pm |
    • Wrenn_NYC

      Bill Deacon – he/she just told you that Deus Caritas is what holds their family.

      If you want to play the encyclical game.

      Do the math people. 39 years it's been legal. 36 years the republicans have had a party platform to appeal it. And they never have.

      And yet, you'll still vote for them on it.

      It's called a carrot. And for you, it works. It trumps all other issue.

      September 28, 2012 at 1:22 pm |
    • Ronaldo

      Pam, I too care about the poor, but why would you vote for a president who is hell bent on destroying life? Have you seen his track record on abortion? Take a look at his abortion resume. Those who vote for this president allow him to continue these actions are are on the same level as those who perform the abortions. I hope you can live with yourself.

      I cannot believe that you seriously agree with that idiot nun on the bus. She isn't a true catholic and should be kicked out. Who would make fun of her own religion?

      Pam, with all due respect, you have no clue and are not a true catholic. Neither are any others who vote for Obama.

      September 28, 2012 at 1:36 pm |
    • Chick-a-dee

      @ Ronaldo: Gee, I'm glad that the question of who is and who isn't a "true Catholic" is decided by God and not you. Just to satisfy my curiosity, please tell me. Since that's the way this question is decided,k why do you even bother having an opinion on who is and who isn't?

      September 28, 2012 at 2:22 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      Wrenn,

      Apparently Pam is not influenced by Deus Caritas either as the encyclical calls for charity workers to have a deep prayer life, and be uninfluenced by party and ideology. Benedict rejects both Marxist arguments that the poor "do not need charity but justice", and the merger of church and state functions (theocracy); rather, he encourages cooperation between the church, the state, and other Christian charitable organizations.

      The nuns are non compliant to this encyclical as they are contravening the Humanae Vitae. A lesser transgression is their liaison with the Democratic party elevating themselves to "rock star" status and conferring the nearly "Godless" Democratic platform with a back of the bus imprimatur. Rather degrading actually.

      September 28, 2012 at 2:29 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      Chickadee are you a Catholic or merely an uninformed interloper?

      September 28, 2012 at 2:31 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      Oh horror, the church doesn't have complete control over the actions and thoughts of every single one of its nuns. Oh horror, oh the agony. Oh how could they possibly degrade themselves by having independent thoughts?

      September 28, 2012 at 2:39 pm |
    • Chick-a-dee

      @ Bill Deacon: I'm a cradle Catholic in the Latin rite, a Catholic school graduate, a participant in the "Why Catholic?" program, a catechist at my parish and a student of catechises with our diocesan continuing education program. And you?

      September 28, 2012 at 2:41 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      @Chick, probably not a augustly credentialed but I am surprised that you do not know that the body of the Church does indeed get to determine who becomes a Catholic during the rites of initiation. Not that one person has that privilege, but not just anyone gets to say they are a Catholic.

      September 28, 2012 at 4:28 pm |
    • Chick-a-dee

      @ Bill: Yes, there is sponsorship in the rites of Initiation (baptism and confirmation), but the body does prevent initiation for any person. Nor does the laity make judgement or cause excommunication of a Catholic. The hierarchy does that. Finally, the action that is the subject of my post is the fact that the body does not pass judgement on whether or not any one individual as a "good Catholic" nor does it condemn one for being a "bad Catholic". If one is straying due to an err in action or lack of action we are to lovingly assist our neighbor to understand the proper teaching so they may be encouraged to act in a Christian manner. It is also our job to help our neighbor during a time when he or she is in need for self or dependents. It is NOT the job of a Christian to draw a line in the sand and challenge their brethren to shape up or ship out. It is not to punish people for being poor, under-aged, ill, disabled or elderly. We mustn't forget that the pro-life agenda is larger that just abortion. It also includes refraining from unjust war, promoting peace, healing the sick, preventing euthanasia by providing the medical, financial, emotional and spiritual support needed to deter people from the despair that causes them to embrace euthanasia as a relief from their suffering. It means ministering to the imprisoned in the hopes of bringing that soul to salvation instead of supporting the murder of one of our brothers/sisters regardless of how punitive we are tempted to be. None of those things appear on the platform of the right.

      September 28, 2012 at 6:57 pm |
  20. JonfromLI

    Blacks covered. Catholics covered. Muslims covered. Middle-class covered. Jews...50/50.....Who's left?

    September 28, 2012 at 11:44 am |
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