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Pew poll: Obama opens up lead over Romney among Catholics
Obama has substantially widened his lead among Catholic voters since June, the Pew poll found.
September 27th, 2012
11:24 AM ET

Pew poll: Obama opens up lead over Romney among Catholics

By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor

Washington (CNN) - President Barack Obama has opened up a significant lead among Catholic voters, a crucial swing voting bloc, according to a recent Pew poll.

Obama leads opponent Mitt Romney among Catholic voters by 54% to 39%, according to the survey, conducted from September 12 to 16 by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press.

Obama’s lead in the Pew survey comes despite outspoken recent criticism of the Obama administration from America’s Catholic bishops and despite Mitt Romney’s selection of a Catholic running mate, Wisconsin Rep. Paul Ryan.

The survey was released last week, but the findings on Catholic voters were highlighted this week by the Religion News Service, which notes that Obama held a much tighter 49-47% lead over Romney among Catholics in a June Pew poll.

John Green, a religion and politics expert at the University of Akron, said Obama’s gains among Catholic came from growing support among Hispanic and black Catholic voters, but also from white Catholics, among whom Obama is now tied with Romney.

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“That’s the part of the poll that I think is kind of surprising,” Green said, noting that Obama lost white Catholics in 2008, even as he won the overall Catholic vote.

Green said that it is white Catholics who were most likely to be receptive to the bishops’ recent attacks against the Obama administration over what the church says is the White House’s curtailment of religious freedom.

In its recent “Fortnight for Freedom,” campaign, the church urged American priests to denounce the administration’s requirement that health insurance companies provide free contraception coverage to employees, even if those employees work for Catholic organizations that oppose contraception.

“The bishops were hoping those efforts would bring more moderate and liberal Catholics, not necessarily for Romney but against the administration’s position,” Green said.

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John Allen, CNN’s chief Vatican analyst, noted that at least one other recent national poll gave Romney a slight lead among Catholics, and that Romney leads among Catholics who attend Mass each week.

“That either shows that the more practicing you are, the more pro-Romney (or anti-Obama) you are,” Allen said in an e-mail message, “or it says something about the political message Catholics are getting in their parishes these days.”

Catholic voters, who accounted for more than a quarter of the electorate in the 2008 election, have voted with the winning presidential candidate in every election going back to the early 1990s.

In 2008, Obama beat John McCain among Catholics by 54% to 45%. In 2004, John Kerry - the first Catholic nominee for president since John F. Kennedy - lost the Catholic vote to George W. Bush, provoking Democrats to take Catholic outreach more seriously.

Both major parties had America’s highest-profile Catholic cleric, New York Archbishop Timothy Dolan, give the closing prayer at their recent political conventions.

The Democratic Convention also featured a Catholic nun who led a “nuns on the bus" tour attacking the federal budget that Ryan designed in his role as chairman of the House Budget Committee.

The Obama and Romney campaigns have both rolled out Catholic outreach efforts in recent days, and the Romney camp has highlighted Ryan’s Catholicism.

“A faithful Catholic, Paul believes in the worth and dignity of every human life,” Romney said when he introduced Ryan as his running mate last month.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: 2012 Election • Barack Obama • Bishops • Catholic Church • Mitt Romney • Politics

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  1. MCFx

    Catholics make up only 25% of the vote. Why is this news? Women make up 60% of the vote and Romney made up an 18 point deficit on Obama with women 48% to 49%, respectively.

    Also, the new Gallop poll came out Romney 52% Obama 45%. Where is this on CNN? C'mon! Where's Anderson Cooper keeping them honest??

    October 19, 2012 at 2:24 am |
  2. Kindness

    Kindness
    This is my experience... Thank you.

    MY personal testimony.
    A thought to consider without an ego response

    I Accepted Jesus christ as my lord and saviour. You never know how soon is too late. Transcend the worldly illusion of enslavement.
    The world denounces truth....

    Accepting Jesus Christ (for me) resulted in something like seeng a new colour. You will see it .....but will not be able to clearly explain it to anyone else..... Its meant to be that way to transend any selfism within you.

    Also... much the world arranges "surrounding dark matter into something to be debated" in such a way that protects/inflates the ego.

    The key is be present and transcend our own desire to physically see evidence. We don't know anyways by defending our own perception of dark matter.

    Currently.... most of us are constructing our own path that suits our sin lifestyle. Were all sinners. Knowing that we are is often an issue. But both christians and non are sinners. Even once we are saved by christs merciful grace we will still experience adversity to mold us to adhering to the truth.
    We will slip... But not fall of the ship ...carrying us onward to perfection in christs grace.

    We don't like to Let go and let god. We want control to some degree. This is what Jesus asks us to do. "Follow me".
    It's the hardest thing to do... but is done by letting the truth of scripture lead you (redemptive revelation)... as I said .

    Try reading corinthians and see if it makes sense to you. Try it without a pre conceived notion of it being a fairy tale.
    See the truth...
    do we do what it says in todays society... is it relevant... so many have not recently read and only hinge their philosophy on what they have heard from some other person...which may have been full of arogance pride or vanity..

    Look closely at the economy ponzi, look at how society idolizes Lust , greed , envy, sloth, pride of life, desire for knowledge, desire for power, desire for revencge,gluttony with food etc .

    Trancsend the temporal world.

    Just think if you can find any truth you can take with you ....in any of these things. When you die your riches go to someone who will spend away your life..... You will be forgotten.... history will repeat iteslf.... the greatest minds knowledge fade or are eventually plagerzed..... your good deeds will be forgotten and only give you a fleeting temporary reward . your learned teachings are forgotten or mutated..... your gold is transfered back to the rullers that rule you through deception. Your grave will grow over . This is truth .

    Trancsend your egoism and free yourself from this dominion of satan. Understand you are a sinner and part of the collective problem of this worldly matrix... Repent.... Repent means knowing (to change) The Holy spirit (within) will convict you beyond what you think you can do by yourself. Grace is given to those who renounce the world. That are" in" the world but not "of " the world.

    Evidence follows faith. Faith does not follow evidence..... Faith ....above reason in Jesus Christ.

    Faith comes by Reading or Hearing the word of god from the bible . Ask Jesus in faith for dicernment and start reading the new testament... You will be shocked when you lay down your preconceived notions and ....see and hear truth ... see how christ sets an example ... feel the truth....

    Read Ecclesiastes. Read romans or corinthians.

    You cant trancend your own egoism by adapting a world philosophy to suit your needs. Seek the truth in Christ.

    Sell all your cleverness and purchase true bewilderment. You don't get what you want ....you get what you are by faith above reason in christ.

    I promise this has been the truth for me. In Jesus christ .

    Think of what you really have to lose. ...your ego?

    Break the Matrix of illusion that holds your senses captive.

    once you do . you too will have the wisdom of God that comes only through the Holy Spirit. Saved By grace through Faith. Just like seeing a new colour.... can't explain it to a transient caught in the matrix of worldly deception.
    You will also see how the world suppresses this information and distorts it

    You're all smart people . I tell the truth. Its hard to think out of the box when earthly thinking is the box.
    I'ts a personal free experience you can do it free anytime . Don't wait till you are about to die.. START PUTTING YOUR TREASURES WHERE THEY REALLY MATTER >
    Its awsome and It's just between you and Jesus

    my testimony

    Romans 10:9

    "If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved
    Last eve I passed beside a blacksmith’s door,
    And heard the anvil ring the vesper chime;
    The, looking in, I saw upon the floor
    Old hammers, worn with beating years of time.
    “How many anvils have you had,” said I,
    “To wear and batter all these hammers so?”
    “Just one,” said he, and then with twinkling eye,
    “The anvil wears the hammers out, you know.”
    And so, thought I, the anvil of God’s Word,
    For ages skeptic blows have beat upon;
    Yet, though the noise of falling blows was heard,
    The anvil is unharmed – the hammers gone.

    Truth is..exclusive

    October 15, 2012 at 6:23 pm |
  3. Joe Anderson

    Catholics have a moral obligation to work to replace President Obama with a president more likely to be on the right side when it comes to moral absolutes like Life, Marriage and Religious Freedom. No amount of posturing and arguing about less consequential issues will relieve them of this obligation. I have written more on this issue at asensiblelife.com

    October 14, 2012 at 9:31 pm |
    • LinCA

      Unfortunately, there is no such candidate on the ballot. The other candidate on the ballot that has a chance of winning, is unfortunately firmly against marriage and religious freedom. While Obama may not be the perfect candidate, he is a far better choice than the morally bankrupt candidate put up by the republicans.

      October 14, 2012 at 9:40 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      What a delusional idjit you are, Joey. I wouldn't vote for Romney if the opposing candidate was Hitler.

      October 14, 2012 at 9:45 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Because at least Hitler's dead and can do no more harm.

      October 14, 2012 at 9:46 pm |
  4. neal bravin

    I wonder if this actually says something about how out of touch the Catholic Church is with the lay population. believing in G-d, Jesus, or Mohammed is one thing (the right to believe- religious freedom is something everyone should enjoy in every nation and state in the world) but I think there is a clear difference between rules such as kashruth which enjion Jewish people not to eat pork, kill animals for food painlessly (kosher) etc. and rules imposed by the Church, such as in the right to life issue, that are really more about men controlling women's right to self determination in regards to thier own bodies, than about G-d's will.

    October 12, 2012 at 4:29 pm |
  5. JJ

    While I wouldn't be surprised if this were true given how a lot of people profess to be Catholic but reject more of what the Church teaches than most Protestants, I think a lot of these polls are just fudged to cover for Obama's slide in popularity. And of course, networks like CNN like to run with any poll that has Obama ahead and act like it's some radical turnaround and ignore any poll that has a different picture.

    October 8, 2012 at 7:11 pm |
    • Maria

      A true Catholic cannot vote for Obama. It is offensive to me a Catholic to hear this, how can one support Obama who is doing everything he can to close the doors of our churchs, hospitals and charitable organzations? We cannot accept abortion as a mandate, Jesus did not teach that killings inocente children was acceptable. They will have to answer God for it. How can they live with themselves.

      October 12, 2012 at 4:32 pm |
    • LinCA

      @Maria

      You said, "A true Catholic cannot vote for Obama."
      Any reasonable person has no choice but to vote for Obama.

      You said, "It is offensive to me a Catholic to hear this, how can one support Obama who is doing everything he can to close the doors of our churchs, hospitals and charitable organzations?"
      You should stop listening to the propaganda machine from the republicans. Obama isn't doing any of that. If you believe that nonsense, you've got some serious issues to work through.

      You said, "We cannot accept abortion as a mandate, Jesus did not teach that killings inocente children was acceptable."
      Nobody is forcing anyone to have an abortion. What your imaginary friend says about anything is only relevant to those that share your delusion. Forcing your religious beliefs on anyone else is more fitting for the Taliban than for a civilized society.

      You said, "They will have to answer God for it."
      Your god is equally likely to exist as the Tooth Fairy. Nobody is going to "have to answer to anyone".

      You said, "How can they live with themselves."
      Easy. It's the rational and moral position to take.

      October 14, 2012 at 9:46 pm |
    • MCFx

      I agree. CNN will pull ANY poll that shows Obama in a lead. The night of the 2nd debate, CNN plastered on their front page...
      POLL: OBAMA WINS DEBATE citing their own poll. Then in smaller print "Obama narrowly ahead in debate poll".

      What wasn't splashed on CNN was the other results of that same CNN/ORC debate poll:
      Did Obama offer clear plan for probs? Did NOT 61% Did 38% (23 point diff)
      Who would best handle the deficit? Romney 59% Obama 36% (23 point lead)
      Who would best handle the economy? Romney 58% Obama 40% (18 point lead)
      Who would best handle taxes? Romney 51% Obama 44% (7 point lead)
      Who would best handle healthcare? Romney 49% Obama 46% (3 point lead)
      Who would be a stronger leader? Romney 49% Obama 46% (3 point lead)

      October 19, 2012 at 2:42 am |
  6. Roget

    Obama is losing the Catholic vote. See link below.

    http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/04/why-obama-is-losing-ground-with-catholics/

    October 4, 2012 at 7:35 pm |
    • Angela

      Thank you for the link, Roget. Those numbers are impressive. After the spectacle last night, any Catholic still supporting Obama should have his/her head examined. This isn't a popularity contest. Obama doesn't care about the direction of the country. And he once again looked into the camera and lied to the American people about Obamacare. Obama deserves to lose in a landslide victory for Mitt Romney. Mitt Romney has the answers. Obama doesn't and doesn't care.

      October 4, 2012 at 10:15 pm |
  7. Rich

    Just for the record...if you don't attend Mass and are in communion with the Church, you shouldn't call yourself Catholic for such a poll. Prayers for you to come back to the Church, but can't say you are Catholic if you aren't presently.

    October 4, 2012 at 4:29 pm |
  8. Jane44

    How about we just focus on how Obama is driving this country off a fiscal cliff. As a female Catholic abortion and contraception are the least of my worries. Let the Fed keep printing money and the Middle East go down in chaos and we'll see what that does to help the average American, nevermind the poor.

    October 2, 2012 at 5:04 pm |
    • Angela

      I couldn't agree more with you. I wonder if Obama will be asked during tomorrow night's debate a question about our massive national debt? This is an extremely important election. I'm tired of the softball questions Obama has received in the last year. Our nation is in economic crisis and it has affected every facet of people's livelihoods and whether those will be able to regain steady employment. I'm afraid of the next 4 years if Obama is re-elected and so is everyone I know.

      October 2, 2012 at 7:01 pm |
    • Den

      Yeah, killing babies is the LEAST of my worries? Some Catholic.

      October 5, 2012 at 10:04 am |
  9. 125

    Catholicism is evolving like all religions, people that are Catholic maintain open views about certain issues knowing fully well that the church will always maintain its position. That's why we all stick to Catholicism, we can critique it openly, yet in the end, we're still Catholic. Plus a priest can always give you a lecture about how your belief is not optimal for whatever reason, and well, he's more likely right, but then again who's perfect.

    What Catholicism needs is a makeover. Who cares about the whole child abuse crap, all religions and preachers have issues. Still out of all religions, Catholicism is by far the most formal and organized. It just appeals to more people is all.

    That being said, Catholics make for some great polling. Their views come from the whole spectrum. It's also the best religion to deal with during the bickering conflict that you see amongst other religions, or within Christian faiths.

    October 1, 2012 at 10:09 am |
  10. Practicing Catholic

    Adolph Hitler was Catholic too and look what he stood for. If these airheaded morons choose to follow Obama Bin Laden then they should be ex-communicated from the church. Obama stands against God,is for abortion,gay marriage,is against religious rights. Zeig Heil all you so-call Catholic Obama voters. You all made Hitler proud.

    October 1, 2012 at 10:09 am |
    • bkhs

      wrong. Hitler's mother was Catholic. Hitler ceased practicing Catholicism when he was still in school.

      October 1, 2012 at 10:51 am |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      And you support a cult of pedophiles...so you're one to talk!

      October 2, 2012 at 6:48 am |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      btw: Your imaginary friend god can't be used in making any laws...gay marriage is not a crime, abortion is not a crime and Obama is christian, whether you choose to believe that or not. Your imaginary friend is not something to be envied when it is the greatest murderer ever to exist (at least according to your fairy tale). It is highly suggested you educate yourself on facts and data from the 21st century or locate a cave and live in the 1st century.

      October 2, 2012 at 6:52 am |
    • Angela

      @JokerPrevails:
      You're a fool. Your referring to Obama as a "Christian" is as reality based as saying Obama will be releasing a box set full of Al Green covers. Don't disgrace yourself further by projecting your nonsense as anything other than drivel. This article goes beyond Catholicism, and Catholics and Christians of many other denominations have joined together in pledging their support for Mitt Romney. Obama has failed, and decent hard working, taxpaying Americans with Catholic and Christian values have no intention of paying for contraception and abortions of lazy, deadbeat, welfare liberals who have no conscience except to follow Obama blindly because he gives them "free stuff." It's as simple as that, so accept it and move on.

      October 2, 2012 at 11:40 am |
    • louitje

      you are free of opininon, but still you are an ignorant retard.
      Btw romney stands for nothing. as a non american i would love to see romney president, this would just bring america closer to the brink.

      October 2, 2012 at 11:54 am |
    • Angela

      Closer to the brink of what? Job creation under Mitt Romney? Making the U.S. energy independent under Mitt Romney? Whatever do you mean? You need to be specific. I've found most Obama supporters to be self loathing. I wonder why that is?

      October 5, 2012 at 11:30 am |
    • MCFx

      Obama Bin Laden ! Dude, so close... Obama Bin Biden!

      October 19, 2012 at 2:47 am |
  11. what a joke

    I love listening to so-called "true catholics" rant against abortion, yet they will NEVER EVER speak of the thousands GAY molesters in their church. They can't wait to vote for that MORMON CULT leader or side up with the millions of born again evangels who hate them with every bone in their body BECAUSE they are catholic. You vote Romney only because he will suit your personal agenda.

    October 1, 2012 at 10:03 am |
    • dorothy

      The molesters are pedophiles. Gays, by definition, like men, not boys. Straights, by definition, like women, not little girls. There is a big difference.

      October 1, 2012 at 11:02 pm |
  12. Faithful Catholic

    "You need to think and pray very carefully about your vote, because a vote for a candidate who promotes actions or behaviors that are intrinsically evil and gravely sinful makes you morally complicit and places the eternal salvation of your own soul in serious jeopardy."-Bishop Thomas Paprocki

    Watch this video about why Catholics cannot vote for Obama: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6w1aVTn19Ns

    Top 3 reasons why Catholics cannot vote for Obama: http://www.davidlgray.info/blog/2012/08/catholics-must-not-vote-for-obama/

    http://www.catholicvote.org/compare2012

    October 1, 2012 at 1:21 am |
    • Dorothy

      Given the recent events within the Catholic Church, its hierarchy has little credibility when it comes to moral authority. I would much rather follow the lead of the "nuns on the bus" when it comes to matters of morals. They and many other Catholics recognize that there are multiple other issues seeded in evil that would come to fruition if Romney and Ryan were elected. The issue of abortion has had no significant movement since Roe vs. Wade regardless of the personal beliefs of the president holding office. Indeed, there have been more laws enacted in states to limit abortions during Obama's presidency than almost any other president. Hence, the personal beliefs of a candidate on that issues has little relevance when choosing a president.......other issues do.

      October 1, 2012 at 9:54 am |
    • Angela

      @Dorothy,
      Obama has endorsed late-term abortion, i.e., third trimester abortion and this has been noticed by a tremendous amount of Catholics who would never vote for him. Obama has never been compassionate about the innocent unborn. Obama also famously said he "wouldn't want his daughters to be saddled with a mistake" regarding pregnancy. During his first term, Obama has proven he cares very little about the welfare of the struggling working class. Obama is lacking in many areas. There are plenty of reasons why millions of Catholics will be voting for Mitt Romney and vote Obama out of office in November.

      October 2, 2012 at 5:35 am |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      Angela: What Obama meant when he said that regarding his daughters, was that he wouldn't want them saddled with an unwanted pregnancy in regards to being raped...which is exactly what Romney would see happen! Now it doesn't really matter because this was all settled long ago in Roe vs Wade. Catholics need to keep their god damn noses out of the personal lives of women and what they do with their bodies. If you don't want an abortion, don't have one but do not expect everyone else to follow suit (if a woman can't get one legally, she will get one via backyard techniques-make you feel good to support that??). It is between a woman and her healthcare professional....so mind your own fucking business. By supporting the catholic cult, you support pedophiles....does it feel good to support people who harm innocent children? Doesn't make you look like a decent human...thankfully your buybull can't be used to make laws!

      October 2, 2012 at 6:45 am |
    • Angela

      @"Truth"Prevails:
      A typical liberal rant by an irrational liberal loon. Your expletives and hostile language dismiss any point you were trying to make. Obviously you are not Catholic so keep your childish opinions to yourself. The "pedophile" rant is overplayed. Deal with the reality which is this: The larger majority of Roman Catholics in the U.S. find Obama to be a clown and will vote Obama out of office in November. Obama's original quote was this so get your facts straight: “Look, I got two daughters — 9 years old and 6 years old,” he said. “I am going to teach them first about values and morals, but if they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby. I don’t want them punished with an STD at age 16, so it doesn’t make sense to not give them information.”

      October 2, 2012 at 10:43 am |
  13. Bob

    This poll/column is indicative of American values, if it doesn't suit my desires, it must be wrong. People are arguing here that since I'm for giving things to the poor the Bible must be wrong about following the 10 Commandments or at the very least can be overruled because Jesus said we should serve the poor. Jesus also said we should love God and obey his commandments. How can you be a "social justice or moral values Christian", aren't you required to do both? Therefore, for this election, I will cast my vote for those who support Christian, Jewish, and Muslim moral values. I will then provide assistance to the poor, as I always have through my service and money to the community. I really hope everyone is doing more than just paying taxes to help the poor. With 16 trillion in debt, our tax money has been wasted by those from both political parties and very little actually gets to the poor!

    I do not hate anyone, so please don't go there, I'm a sinner myself. If you we're at a Catholic Church today, you would have heard Jesus telling us to take drastic measures to avoid sinning and going to hell. His second commandment was to love our neighbor as we love ourselves. What better way to love your neighbor than to keep them from breaking God's commandment and going to hell. At the same time, you can love another neighbor by helping those in need of earthly goods.

    I'm not trying to convince anyone who to vote for, I'm just wondering aloud how anyone who believes in the Bible can completely neglect Jesus' first commandment and say his second commandment has any merit. I believe they both must be followed and in this election there is only party allowing you to do both. Granted, if you vote for Romney, some would argue you have to act on your own to help the poor, but at least you still have that choice. Try helping the poor on your own, as well as with your taxes, it is very rewarding! I'm not sure I could argue on judgement day that my action of voting for those who follow an agenda that violates the moral values of the Bible was in accordance with God's will.

    September 30, 2012 at 11:03 pm |
  14. George Zipp 1980

    And we intellectuals like Obama too. You Obama haters are going to receive your comeuppance November 6th. I have no sympathy for you rednecks/racists/haters. Life has a way of working out for the best.

    September 30, 2012 at 8:41 pm |
    • Patricksday

      Fox "News" will have to show reruns they will be so distraught over their Puppet of Greed Romney loosing.

      October 1, 2012 at 12:57 am |
  15. Reality

    Only for new members of this blog:-–>>

    Why the Christian Right and "Catholics" no longer matter in presidential elections:

    Once again, all the conservative votes in the country "ain't" going to help a "pro-life" presidential candidate, i.e Mitt Romney, in 2012 as the "Immoral Majority" rules the country and will be doing so for awhile. The "Immoral Majority" you ask?

    The fastest growing USA voting bloc: In 2008, the 70+ million "Roe vs. Wade mothers and fathers" of aborted womb-babies" whose ranks grow by two million per year i.e. 78+ million "IM" voters in 2012.

    2008 Presidential popular vote results:

    69,456,897 for pro-abortion/choice BO, 59,934,814 for "pro-life" JM.

    And the irony:

    And all because many women fail to take the Pill once a day or men fail to use a condom even though in most cases these men have them in their pockets. (maybe they should be called the "Stupid Majority"?)

    The failures of the widely used birth "control" methods i.e. the Pill and male condom have led to the large rate of abortions ( one million/yr) and S-TDs (19 million/yr) in the USA. Men and women must either recognize their responsibilities by using the Pill or condoms properly and/or use other safer birth control methods in order to reduce the epidemics of abortion and S-TDs.

    i.e. IF THE PILL AND MALE CONDOMS WERE USED PROPERLY, ABORTION WOULD NOT BE AN ISSUE AND OBAMA WOULD NOT BE PRESIDENT.
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    September 30, 2012 at 12:38 pm |
    • queenbee

      Condoms break, or if a woman is really tight–they get pulled off– a lot–and then..there ya go....

      September 30, 2012 at 1:34 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      You're a bozo, Reality. Women don't answer to you. They don't owe you any explanation of their reasons for choosing to end a pregnancy, you muttonhead. Get it through your skull, nincompoop.

      September 30, 2012 at 11:06 pm |
    • Justin

      Maybe you havent heard... The Catholic church was balking at contraception (birth control, not abortion) coverage under Obamacare.... If a non-catholic works at a Catholic business, should they be FORCED to adhere to a religion they don't perscribe to? A community center, thrift shop, or school is NOT a church. If your boss was Muslim and required all women to wear a bhurka and not allow pork in th eoffice would you be okay with that? It isn't about "if you dont like it find another job" either... It is about FORCING someone to follow YOUR beliefs and that is TALIBAN territory.

      October 13, 2012 at 9:43 am |
  16. Maria

    I am Catholic and our votes will be for Obama. I don't need to explain why, but if you want a single reason: Obama is the best!

    September 30, 2012 at 12:22 pm |
    • Francis

      Maria I'm sorry but you are not Catholic. You call yourself Catholic but a Catholic lives by the truths of the Church and killing babies through abortion is extreme evil. You are something other religious wise. Killing babies is horrendous and anti-God. Only Jews who are evil and the truely dumb support it. So please don't answer like your a Catholic but think a bit and call yourself some other term. Please we Catholics love our faith and do not like pretenders.

      September 30, 2012 at 2:55 pm |
    • frank

      see..you can't give a reason. Please don't vote on personality

      September 30, 2012 at 3:29 pm |
    • justanopinion

      Hmmmmm – the abortion issue AGAIN – did you know Mitt Romney himself supported his son in a surrogate birth – did you know Romney paid for the surrogate – did you know in the contract for that surrogate birth it stated IF for ANY reason the surrogate or the parents could abort the baby – Romney is a hypocrite over and over – he says he is pro life, but when it came down to his own family – his own son and grandchild – he VOTED to abort if they found issues they didn't want to deal with – be aware of who are voting and what the truth really tells

      September 30, 2012 at 3:34 pm |
    • Obama/Biden 2012

      frank, please don't vote on racism.

      September 30, 2012 at 6:31 pm |
    • mmr

      You are no real Catholic if you are voting for FORCED birth control coverage and abortions. Sorry – not even your Hail Mary's can save your sins.

      September 30, 2012 at 6:45 pm |
    • scmaize

      Maria, if people are truly Christian (Christ-like), and they look at the platforms of the 2 major parties, they are more likely to vote Democratic than Republican. Jesus was a Jew, Francis, so your ugly prejudices are not excused, nor are they held by most Catholics. The political positions of the Catholic Church have indeed shaken my Catholic faith, but I think the Church has strayed more than I have. Most Catholics who vote their true conscience will be voting for Obama.

      September 30, 2012 at 7:28 pm |
    • Hailey Davis

      I am catholic and I am voting for President Obama! I am also a republican – if it really matters anymore!

      September 30, 2012 at 8:15 pm |
    • John

      Latae Sententiae

      Look it up because it applies to you and your family.

      September 30, 2012 at 10:16 pm |
    • Chick-a-dee

      @ scmaize:
      Don't let the political position of our bishops shake your faith. I have to reconcile myself to the fact that the church is holy but the men in it are not always so. You don't have to look farther than the Medicis and Borgias to remember how badly things can be done when men of the cloth are up to their eyeballs in politics. The Holy Spirit will sustain the Church and this time will pass just as other times of political intrigue have. Meanwhile, let's continue to do the best we can to remember that the two commandments Jesus told us were the most important are to love God and to love each other – and to act accordingly.

      September 30, 2012 at 10:52 pm |
    • Chick-a-dee

      @ John:
      Canon Law
      c. 1323

      Reconciliation.

      Look them up. You may be surprised.

      And BTW, are you really in a position to determine which canon laws apply to anyone but yourself? Do you really want to put yourself in the position of determining what the Divine Mercy will forgive? Or better yet, are you willing to claim you have knowledge of what only God does?

      September 30, 2012 at 11:11 pm |
    • Wrenn_NYC

      Francis – not helping the poor the needy and the indigent is also not Catholic. Yet Ryan's budget – which has been spoken out against by the conference of American Catholic Bishops does that.

      And that's an ACTIVE issue. Something Ryan (and Romney) want to put into place.

      No matter what your religion, the reality of this country is that abortion is a legal procedure. The Democratic Party platform supports a woman's right to choose. They don't 'promote' abortion. No one does such a thing.

      But you really should reconsider why you are voting for a party that goes against the teachings of Deus Caritas. Directly against the teachings of that encyclical. 'Oh, but they are anti-abortion!' Big whoop. THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS HAD BANNING ABORTION AS A PARTY PLANK FOR 36 YEARS and has done AS LITTLE AS POSSIBLE in the pursuit of such a ban. But they do roll it out every 4 years and tout their horn about it. And people like you vote on a single issue for a party that has, as a whole, little intention (historically seen) of giving you that one issue. And you can not see it.

      So, you'll toss away caring for the needy, the poor, and the indigent, toss away the social safety net, for the so far (36 years so far) false promise that they'll 'end abortion'. They know they can get some knee jerk votes out of it, so they'll keep on promising.

      October 1, 2012 at 1:50 am |
    • Chrissie

      Maria, you don't need to explain why because you can't! He's the best? Sounds like your a person who is very young and naive, or just plain uneducated. You certainly don't know anything about socialism. I feel sorry for you and all of us who are at the mercy of your mindless vote.

      October 1, 2012 at 10:27 am |
    • Angela

      I agree with Chrissie. What a great statement.

      October 2, 2012 at 3:40 am |
  17. BADGUY

    The Catholic Church has opposed EVERY Democratic Presidential Candidate since 2000! This fascist organization is opposed to ANY Presidential Candidate the poses a threat to its "Theocratic Monopoly" on power.

    September 30, 2012 at 12:21 pm |
    • queenbee

      ..so what does it mean when a church routinely opposes a certain group and yet the majority of their supporters vote in favor of that group?

      September 30, 2012 at 1:36 pm |
    • Wrenn_NYC

      Well.. the Republican party has rolled out 'banning abortion' as a part of their party platform for 36 years. it gets them votes. And they've done so little about fulfilling that party plank, and it still gets them votes.

      October 1, 2012 at 1:55 am |
  18. Buddy

    The Catholic Church is a church of conscience. In other words, each person can take their own path, but will have to live with themselves. I am Catholic, and I believe in Pro Life, but I also believe the Ryan/Romney budget to be inhumane. The Catholic Church gave over 4 million last year to the poor and sick. Therefore, I choose to vote for the lesser of the two evils within our system which is without a doubt our liberal administration. At the end of the day, it isn't me or you that will decide what each of us must do in good conscience

    September 30, 2012 at 10:43 am |
    • Dorothy

      You are absolutely right. The nuns on the bus, in my opinion, reflect the values and spirituality of the majority of the Catholics. You will always have those that believe being "truly" Catholic means praying in Latin and following the letter of the law while ignoring the spirit of the law. Obama's administration has actually let people follow their OWN conscience while protecting others from imposing their personal or corporate ethics onto the masses. The conservatives cry for "religious freedom" so long as everybody is ONLY free to chose THEIR religious values.

      September 30, 2012 at 11:31 am |
    • Francis

      Killing babies through abortion is not the lesser of evils. The Democratic party has been taken over but the Jews, which are evil by choice. They are the ones behind the killing of babies and they put this Obama in power. The Jewish money, papers, newsshows. If you research why the German people killed 6 million Jews it was because they did there what they are doing to our country.

      September 30, 2012 at 2:58 pm |
    • justanopinion

      Francis – how very christian of you

      September 30, 2012 at 3:36 pm |
    • mmr

      Romney gave more to the poor than your Catholic church did out of his own pocket...

      September 30, 2012 at 6:49 pm |
  19. CKEN

    One wonders how a Christian of any sect could vote for Obama for any number of reasons. Obama's professed christian belief seems at best superficial if not a mendacious claim solely for political benefit. He has also given veiled and sometimes blatant indications he is against both freedom of religion and freedom of speech.
    I understand some Christians would vote against Romney because he is a Mormon, which some consider to be a cult. Romney, however, unlike Obama, has apparently conducted his life based on a set of values most Christians should want to emulate.

    September 30, 2012 at 3:25 am |
    • ATL

      As a faithful and practicing Catholic, it is a struggle to tolerate the pro choice policies of the current administration, but we have to look at the bigger picture. The office of the presidency is much more than what Catholics believe and want in a president. The basis of Christian belief is the healthy and wealthy will care for the sick and the poor and that is more demonstrated by the democratic party. I don't see that core value demonstrated by the republican party whatsoever.

      September 30, 2012 at 9:04 am |
    • Angela

      I agree with you, CKEN. Obama has proven he is anti-Christian, anti-business, and anti-American since 2009. He has also mocked anyone who doesn't agree with him. In 2010, Obama said in central Illinois "At some point you've made enough money." There isn't any compassion coming from that statement. Obama is bad for America. Mitt Romney at least is willing to provide people with real hope.

      September 30, 2012 at 10:44 am |
    • Mr. Bones

      I've been wondering for a while now: where IS all the abortion stuff in the Bible? I don't recall the words "pro-life" or "late term" ever coming up at all.

      And if you want to get literal about it, were there NO pregnant women on the entire planet when God flooded the Earth and killed everyone but one man and his family? We're there NO pregnant women in Sodom and Gomorrah, those cities of ultimate sin, when God burned alive every single living person in them? The text itself depicts a god with NO qualms about terminating a pregnancy. Are we SURE this whole thing isn't more about men wanting control over women, with a little "abortions are something poor people/bad people/brown people do?" thrown in for good measure?

      It's not about "Thou shalt not kill," because I've never met a pro-lifer who wasn't in favor of launching a full-scale thermonuclear assault on the entire Middle East, so it's NOT about that, because they fervently and lovingly support ALL sorts of mass killing, as long as it's 'Merica doing the killing. So where's this coming from?

      September 30, 2012 at 10:48 am |
    • Obama/Biden 2012

      ROTFL@CKEN!! The utter and absolute opposition to BHO is ridiculous and mostly based in racism. Did you come uip with those points on your own or were they from Faux News? Or are you just a troll? All one needs to know before deciding on this election is: "GM Alive! bin Laden DEAD!!"

      September 30, 2012 at 4:52 pm |
    • Angela

      Obama not only supports the killing of the innocent unborn, he also supports the termination of millions of existing jobs for the middle class, i.e., in the coal industry and other decent jobs for the middle class that do not go along with his agenda. Solyndra was bankrupted and several were laid off. Obama said, "Under my presidency your electric bills will necessarily skyrocket." Who was he trying to appeal to then? Catholics are voters just like every other Christian individual who leads their life with a moral compass. Obama and Biden are both hypocrites. Obamacare will devastate the middle class with higher taxes and kill even more jobs. Obama: Endorser of killing of babies and killing of jobs.

      September 30, 2012 at 6:32 pm |
    • Obama/Biden 2012

      Keep telling those things to yourself, Angela, or at least until the Republican party implodes on November 7th after a resounding rejection at the polls.

      September 30, 2012 at 10:50 pm |
    • Chick-a-dee

      I don't believe that any christian who knows what the beliefs of the LDS church are, and the fact that Romney not only is a member but was actively ministering as a Bishop in that sect, could possibly want this man in a position of authority. He'll not get my vote.

      September 30, 2012 at 11:20 pm |
    • Angela

      Anyone who gives their vote to Obama after all of his failures the last 3 years is completely ignorant of what is going on in the country. 23 million unemployed and Obama wants to party. The Democrats have become the "gimme" party. They love Obama because he gives them "free stuff." They also believe their "healthcare is free." Obama is clueless about being a leader and his lemmings will vote for him to get a free cell phone. Democrats: The party of the clueless.

      October 2, 2012 at 3:13 am |
  20. Ken

    I do not see how a practicing Catholic can support a man who is favor of late term abortion, or early abortion. Let the gay people celebrate civil unions but now marriage. Folks this is not rocket science but you can't pick and choose what part
    of the church's doctrine you are going to follow. It really is an easy "what would Jesus do" I love you all but you can't love
    Jesus and abort his babies. I will fast until the election and pray for all our souls.

    September 30, 2012 at 2:39 am |
    • Wrenn_NYC

      Your own argument fails itself. Each candidate, each party fails on christian (catholic since this is a catholic story) morality stance. Obama for not being anti-abortion, Romney/Ryan for a budget that has been censured by the American Catholic Bishops Conference.

      In your own words, you cannot pic and choose what part of the church's doctrine you are going to follow. Yet, you have. You are choosing to vote for someone who has a budget which the catholic bishops have called against catholic morality.

      September 30, 2012 at 3:03 am |
    • Wrenn_NYC

      Playing 'name that encyclical' game here you go.

      1) Humanae Vitae – where the Democratic ticket fails since it does not ban abortion.

      2) Deus Caritas – where the Republicans – specifically the Ryan budget fails, as it does not (according to the American Catholic Bishops Conference) do enough to help the needy and poor.
      "As the years went by and the Church spread further afield, the exercise of charity became established as one of her essential activities, along with the administration of the sacraments and the proclamation of the word: love for widows and orphans, prisoners, and the sick and needy of every kind, is as essential to her as the ministry of the sacraments and preaching of the Gospel. The Church cannot neglect the service of charity any more than she can neglect the Sacraments and the Word. " (Deus Caritas Dec 25, 2005)

      September 30, 2012 at 3:23 am |
    • Angela

      God Bless You, Ken. I agree with your every word. There are a lot of us traditional Catholics who respect the Roman Catholic faith and the Church's teachings and will be voting for Mitt Romney on November 6. Ignore the liberals' attack on the Roman Catholic fatih's values. This does go beyond Catholics. Christians of many denominations have spoken out and defend the stance of Catholics everywhere who will be aligning with Mitt Romney this national election. Liberals do not have a right to impose their "morality" on traditional Catholics, of which there are millions of us worldwide.

      September 30, 2012 at 3:26 am |
    • queenbee

      Would Jesus have allowed grown men to molest women and children for centuries , like the catholic church has done–and not only ignore the problem but aid and abet it by never reporting the men and allowing them to move around preying on others? The Catholic church DOES cherry pick its own morals and positions–that is clear, your remark is not only self serving, but it is very narrow and selective.

      September 30, 2012 at 1:39 pm |
    • Wrenn_NYC

      So, what you're saying Angela, is that Catholics (you say there are millions of you worldwide. There are 1.2 billion actually, according to catholic research, which is quite findable online. (now, 'traditional catholics' are an actual sect of christianity, and they are far far smaller. But I don't think you meant them, you meant all catholics, didn't you?)

      There are 6.9 billion people in this world.

      Yiou say that 'liberals' should not be allowed to push their 'morality' on traditional catholics. But that's not what happening. Tolerance is what is asked for. Not forcing others to toe your line. You can do as you wish, what you cannot do is push your own version of morality on others. But that is what you are advocating.

      I grew up catholic. They (extended family members, in orders) wanted me to be a nun. I walked away from the church on their stance on and how they treat women. I have said time and again that I'd go back... if they'd drop, erase, excise, from their holy book, the rules for women. Rules that, currently, aren't put in play for the majority of Christians, true, but as they are still there in that 'holy' book, those, rules that render women second class citizens. Along with the rules on slavery, how to punish your children with a wooden stick, that you can stone your disobedient child... are all STILL there.

      See... my take is that if those rules and laws remain in that book, they can come back and be enforced as the will of God. Perhaps not this generation, but one in the future. I've seen enough of the world to know that there are current sects of christianity in this country (Vision Forum) and sects of jews (some of the ultra orthodox) who HAVE attempt to implement some of these rules regarding women. I've heard first hand from women who have had to deal with it. CURRENT DAY sects of Christianity and Judaism that treat their women like second class citizens, that their only god given and affirmed position in life is as helpmeet and mother. Nothing more, nothing else. That they need no more education than to fulfill that and only that goal. That it is their place to be completely under the control of their fathers and then their husbands. Do the same things to them that we complain about Islam in the middle east. And they're doing it – in this country. in the US.

      But back to your view. You feel that it is perfectly all right for traditional catholics to enforce their version of morality (Or should I say the current day's understanding of morality) on non catholics. Catholics make up 17% of the world's population. ALL Christians make up 32% of the world's population. That makes them the minority. It really does.

      October 1, 2012 at 10:12 am |
    • Angela

      @Wrenn_NYC
      You sound like a bitter old hen. You have been attacking the conviction of every other Catholic who has commented on this blog who doesn't agree with your views. Why? Because of abortion? Did you know the U.S. Dept. of Health closed down two abortion mills in Illinois because of gross unsanitary conditions? You will just have to stay in your own angry corner of the world because Catholics and Christians alike embrace their traditional values and it will not change. How clever of you to type your "god" with a small g. I'm not amused and neither is anyone else. There aren't any Catholic or Christian women that I know of who are oppressed. You sound pathetic. Your ranting has again fallen on deaf ears. Try accepting it.

      October 2, 2012 at 3:20 am |
    • Wrenn_NYC

      Ah. Angela. All you can do is attack another person, making lame unfounded assumptions about them.

      You know nothing about me. And I'm not going to tell you anything about myself. I need not justify my life to you, or anyone.

      The facts stand. A 36 year old party platform that has never been pursued, yet garners votes from people who can't understand it's a carrot on a stick. Who will vote a single issue... that is a phantasm.

      And a party whose VP candidate has put forth a budget (not once, but twice) that has caused the Catholic Bishops Conference to call it 'against catholic morals'.

      Hence the split amongst catholics. And this poll's results. There are many things wrong about Obama. and many things wrong about the Romney/Ryan ticket. They both have issues with catholic morality.

      There are many catholics out there who will choose to support the safety net and taking care of our poor, disabled, and elderly, and not toss it over for a long shot chance that the Republican party will, FINALLY, make good on a 36 year pledge. I'm betting they won't. Why give up a vote gathering tool as good as it is?

      October 2, 2012 at 4:04 pm |
    • Wrenn_NYC

      I will say one thing though.

      My life is filled with happiness, joy, and even glee. In my city, and surrounded by my warm and wonderful friends.

      Once in a while, though, people's short sightedness and lack of rationality challenge my sense of calm. Then I stop reading comment sections of news articles.

      October 2, 2012 at 4:09 pm |
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