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October 1st, 2012
04:30 PM ET

Explainer: Pakistan's blasphemy laws

By Reza Sayah, CNN

Islamabad, Pakistan (CNN) - It has been more than a month since a teenage Christian girl was charged in Pakistan under the country's blasphemy laws . Her accusers say she burned pages from the Quran, Islam's holy book. Amid twists in her case, including changed statements by witnesses, she is facing life in prison.

On Monday, CNN reported that three witnesses whose testimony could absolve the 14-year-old Rimsha Masih have changed their statements, a potential setback for her. She has denied the charges.

The case has drawn the country's complex laws about blasphemy into the spotlight. Here is a primer on those laws.

What are the major stipulations of Pakistan's blasphemy laws, and what exactly do they prohibit?

Pakistan’s blasphemy law makes it a crime to destroy or damage the Quran or to insult the Prophet Mohammed.

The following are two sections of the law as they appear in Pakistan’s penal code:

Whoever will fully defiles, damages or desecrates a copy of the Holy Quran or of an extract therefrom or uses it in any derogatory manner or for any unlawful purpose shall be punishable for imprisonment for life.

Whoever by words, either spoken or written or by visible representation, or by any imputation, innuendo, or insinuation, directly or indirectly, defiles the sacred name of the Holy Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) shall be punished with death, or imprisonment for life, and shall also be liable to fine.

When were Pakistan's blasphemy laws adopted? What fueled them?

 According to the public policy think tank Jinnah Institute, Pakistan’s blasphemy laws originated in British colonial laws drafted in 1860 to protect religious beliefs and customs.

In the 1980s, under the rule of hardline Islamist and military dictator Gen. Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq, the laws were amended to include life imprisonment and the death penalty.

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Zia-ul-Haq accused previous governments of leading the country away from the principles of Islam and openly stated his mission to return Pakistan to a conservative Islamist state. Zia-ul-Haq’s reign is widely viewed as the “Islamization” of Pakistan.

Critics say that soon after the blasphemy law was amended under Zia-ul-Haq, many accusers began misusing the law and exploiting Pakistan’s ineffective justice system to settle personal scores and persecute minorities.

The Jinnah Institute says nine cases of blasphemy were reported in Pakistan between 1929 and 1982. Over the past 15 years, the number of cases has reached into the thousands.

What are the big Pakistani blasphemy cases in recent years that got international attention? How were they resolved?

In November 2010, Christian laborer Asia Bibi was sentenced to death after a fellow worker accused her of insulting Islam. The sentence is under appeal, and Bibi is still in jail.

Months after Bibi’s death sentence, provincial Gov. Salman Taseer and Federal Minister Shahbaz Bhatti – both moderate Pakistani politicians – were assassinated after public calls to amend the blasphemy laws.

In May 2010, militants attacked two mosques and killed more than 90 worshipers of the Ahmadi sect, minority Muslims often viewed as heretics and blasphemers by hardline Sunnis in Pakistan.

Why have some hardline Islamist groups in Pakistan rejected the call to change the blasphemy law and gone as far as praising the assassination of politicians who pushed for change?

Aasim Sajjad, a political analyst and professor of history at Islamabad's Quaid-i-Azam Univeristy, blames a succession of governments, leaders and institutions that have directly or indirectly either promoted or tolerated a hardline Islamist mindset.

“There are very well-entrenched structures of power that exist in this society,” Sajjad said. “Some of them have to do with how this state and its institutions are set up. Those deeply established structures are part of the answer why this continues to happen.

“What one needs to emphasize is how since its inception, the state has depicted itself as citadel of a particular kind of religious ideology. And what’s well-established is the direction of the state towards a self-proclaimed Islamic state during the late '70s and '80s. I think that was a fundamental turning point," he said.

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“Today, there is a wide cross-section of society that tolerates this, and I think there’s also an environment of fear where they feel that if they do stand up against it, they will be targeted. The primary sentiment is one of ‘keep your head down and don’t get yourself involved, because if you do, then you’re going to be set up to be jailed or killed,' " the professor said.

Is there any chance of meaningful debate or change when it comes to Pakistan’s blasphemy laws?

“I think it’s going to take a visionary political leadership which is willing to be courageous and take a stand to generate popular support,” Sajjad said.

“But my sense is that the mainstream political forces in this country have the same approach as most everyday Pakistanis, which is just put your head down and don’t take up these issues. Until a popular constituency develops, political will won’t be generated. Until a political will is generated, a popular constituency may not be developed.

“It’s like what came first, the chicken or the egg?”

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Belief • Islam • Islamic law • Pakistan • Quran

soundoff (1,048 Responses)
  1. Jewel of Allah

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    August 24, 2012 at 3:47 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      You believe in the lies of the Talmud. God does not recognize heathens. Turn to the Holy Bible and hear God's truth. A roach climbed in my nose while I was drinking from the cat dish. If you insist on believing satan's lies you burn in his kitchen, hell.

      Amen.

      August 24, 2012 at 3:50 pm |
    • Answer

      All of your dumb a$$ religions are a joke. Get over it.

      The sooner you morons die off the better.

      August 24, 2012 at 3:57 pm |
    • hinduism source of hindufilthyracism.

      I told you so! I said it was our Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, brought the double penetration dil-do into the world!! No one believes me.

      August 24, 2012 at 4:18 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Fake heavensent is posting his nonsense because I POSTED TRUTH, that the health agencies declare an outbreak every time there's a major election. Why? Getting placebo shots is what pays for the election by the unsuspecting American public.

      August 25, 2012 at 10:29 am |
    • Huebert

      @HS

      Is this how you spend your weekends? Chasing your impostor around and insulting the cyberspace he or sh isn't in? God your life must be dull.

      August 25, 2012 at 10:31 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Tommie, Tom, you're the one that needs to get a life and stop hijacking my handle to prevent me from posting truth.

      August 25, 2012 at 12:19 pm |
    • Allah

      Thanks for the praise, now go away! A-Salami-Im-Makin!

      August 25, 2012 at 10:55 pm |
  2. HeavenSense

    Heaven is a place in Hell.
    A place where Angels and Demons dwell.
    The bell rings, the Devil Swings and on God’s throne he begins to dwell.
    Looking through space and time the duality of the immortals shine.
    The singing begins and the song is one of the infinite.
    Universes are sung, Galaxies too.
    Stars and planet, me and you.
    But we can hear the singing not.
    For we are here on this planet caught.
    The web we weave to cry and deceive.
    Robs us of our own immortal lot.

    August 24, 2012 at 3:45 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      You think you are so clever using handles that are close to mine. You are not even funny. I can't find my lady parts. Why do obsess over me when you could be reading the Bible on the on-line Bible study guide and learn Jesus' truth?

      Amen.

      August 24, 2012 at 3:54 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      lol, nice one.

      August 24, 2012 at 4:19 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      The fake heavensent is a pathetic freak who jumps through every hoop his bosses tell him to shut me down for posting health outbreaks are bogus, it's a way for the unsuspecting public to pay for election costs.

      August 25, 2012 at 10:31 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Figures Tommie Tom, pat's himself on the back for hijacking my handle and posting his nonsense. Scotty needs a life. Had a Christian wife that left him.

      August 25, 2012 at 10:33 am |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      (as the HS Poe)

      Fake HeavenSent, cough cough Scotty, Tommie Tom your childishness will be rewarded with the eternal worm. You are carnal. You will burn in the eternal lake of sulphur.

      Amen.

      August 25, 2012 at 11:01 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @HeavenSent,

      if you would just lay off the judgmental commentary and show fellow posters a little respect, people would stop the childish stealling of your handle.

      I appreciate that people have been really nasty to you. It's rude and they should stop, but the more you pick up on it, the more they will do it. Your best guess is to let it go and ignore the troll.

      August 25, 2012 at 11:03 pm |
  3. hinduism source of hindufilthyracism.

    Book of hindu Mithra ism, pagan savior ism called Bible is hinduism of hindu Jew's, criminal self centered, cooked by subordinating teaching's of Hebrew's to fundamentals of hinduism, paganism, one has to be hindu, ignorant by faith to call hinduism, Bible, truth or by God, truth absolute. Nothing but hindu's, ignorant s.

    August 24, 2012 at 3:45 pm |
    • hinduism source of hindufilthyracism.

      also, if I may add, Muhammad, peace be upon him, brought the double penetration dil-do into this lustful world. He wrote a whole book on dil-do and 72 hoors but some how it was lost in desert.

      August 24, 2012 at 6:03 pm |
  4. hinduism source of hindufilthyracism.

    Word Jew is based on Latin word Yahood, Je or Ja, Ye, or Ya, meaning from heart and mind base word for Yes in English, HOOD, habit or habitat, meaning, self centered or a secular, denier of truth absolute, such as King, or Pig, in disregard to truth absolute and Judaism, One who takes a wow to be in violation of truth by his intent, considering himself to be the God, the truth absolute, same as in hindu, denier of truth absolute, word hindu is based on Latin word hindrance, negativity, HAN, great, Hun, to be in greatness and hin, to be negative to both of them, hindu, a noun in negativity, hinduism, way of negativity, as in word Jew, a self centered or a criminal, otherwise known as a goon, a shaman. Judaism is not a religion but in opposition, defiance to truth absolute in self center ism..

    August 24, 2012 at 3:19 pm |
    • Rational Libertarian

      What a d.ick.

      August 24, 2012 at 3:22 pm |
    • hinduism source of hindufilthyracism.

      cal use double penetration mechanical di|do much better.

      August 24, 2012 at 3:30 pm |
    • Alien Orifice

      Word Puke is based on Latin word Puki, Pe or Pa, Te, or Ta, meaning from stomach and throat base word for Sick in English, Upchuck, blowing chunks or spewing, meaning, worshiping at the porcelain thrown or a sweaty, infection of puke absolute, such as flu, or Food poisoning, in disregard diarrhea or Montezuma’s revenge, One who takes a s.h.i.t to be in violation of his body without his consent, considering himself to be dying, the truth you drank too much tequila, same as in barfing, denier it doesn’t work, word projectile vomiting is based on Latin word vomi, icky, smelly, horrible, icky, to be in a pool of sick and HeavenSent, to be dumber than the fluids leaking from your ravished body to both of them, watery eyes, a noun in missing work, puke in your nose, way of making you even sicker, as in word “ralph”, a self-violating or a ja.panese p.o.r.n.o, otherwise known as a freak, a sadist. Puking is not an accident but a way to clear the crud from your mutilated digestive system, defiance to the Lysol and filthy towels you will use..

      August 24, 2012 at 3:34 pm |
    • hinduism source of hindufilthyracism.

      fine example of hindu filthy mind of a hindu, skunk.

      August 24, 2012 at 3:38 pm |
    • hinduism source of hindufilthyracism.

      True face of a hindu, stinky high on his cow mam's urine, from hindered gutter land india, spewing hind, filthy hinduism, cow mama's dung and vomiting his cow mamas' urin.

      August 24, 2012 at 3:41 pm |
    • Islam is Healthy for Animals

      do Islam make you work your a ss off to come up with more garbage? write it down Mohammad – Islamism is healthy for any other living things, but not for humans since no other living things give a $H|T to 72 hoors in Jannat.

      August 24, 2012 at 3:46 pm |
    • hinduism source of hindufilthyracism.

      Islam is made by and made for lairs. Sorry guys it's not me, Islam makes me read garbage and Islam makes me spit garbage. Please help me.

      August 24, 2012 at 3:50 pm |
  5. AlienShark

    History makes it clear however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of the sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myths that historians have ever repeated." –De Lacy O'Leary, ISLAM AT THE CROSSROADS, London, 1923, p. 8.

    “The Christian World came to wage crusades against Muslims but eventually knelt before them to gain knowledge. They were spellbound to see that Muslims were owners of a culture that was far superior to their own. The Dark Ages of Europe were illuminated by nothing but the beacon of Muslim Civilization.” (F.J.C Hearushaw, The Science of History.)

    “The Renaissance of Europe did not take place in the 15th century. Rather it began when Europe learned from the culture of the Arabs. The cradle of European awakening is not Italy. It is the Muslim Spain.” (Robert Briffault, The Making Of Mankind)

    “The lies which we [Christians] have heaped round this man (Mohammed), are disgraceful to ourselves only.” (Thomas Carlyle, Heroes and Hero Worship)

    “Muhammed was the most successful of all religious personalities.” (Encyclopedia Britannica, 4th & 11th editions)

    “The greatest crimes, the greatest “sin” of Mohammed in the eyes of Christian West is that he did not allow himself to be slaughtered, to be “crucified” by his enemies. He only defended himself, his family and his followers; and finally vanquished his enemies. Mohammed’s success is the Christians’ gall of disappointment… He did not believe in any vicarious sacrifices for the sins of others.” (Edward Gibbon, Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire.)

    August 24, 2012 at 3:08 pm |
    • Alien Orifice

      I have decided to convert from atheism to Solipsism. The ceremony is going to be a blast, I will be having all my friends and family over and un-validating their existence. Then it will just be a free-for-all. I will also be getting a tattoo of my own face on my a.s.s.

      August 24, 2012 at 3:14 pm |
    • Rational Libertarian

      The Islamic Conquests happened, deal with it.

      August 24, 2012 at 3:24 pm |
    • hinduism source of hindufilthyracism.

      Alien Orifice – we are accepting applications, would you like to join us?

      August 24, 2012 at 4:03 pm |
  6. tallulah13

    Happy Ramadan to all my friends here on the blog.

    August 24, 2012 at 2:19 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Here we go again. I have never made it a secret that I am an atheist.

      The ramadan comment was made by that sad little troll who is too cowardly to use their own screen name. Or just stick to one screen name. Poor thing. It must be horrible that the only way he/she can get people to respond to them is by being an annoyance.

      However, I have no problem wishing someone a happy ramadan, much as I would wish a christian a happy christmas, or a pagan a happy solstice. I can respect that other people have different beliefs. I simply don't share them.

      August 24, 2012 at 2:28 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @tallulah13,

      yes the sad little troll doesn't realize that with the feast of Eid al-Fitr, Ramadan ended last Sunday at sunset.

      A little late to the Poe party I think.

      August 24, 2012 at 2:32 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Accuracy is not a hallmark of those who troll.

      August 24, 2012 at 2:34 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      I know you think Scotty, cough tommie tom is funny stealing my handle and telling lies. It should be a surprise since he is a non-believer. My lady-parts won't open. Stay on the track of satan on enjoy your worm.

      Amen.

      August 24, 2012 at 2:56 pm |
    • hinduism source of hindufilthyracism.

      tallulah13, I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV, HeavenSent

      fvck ya all infidels. I have my own name now. Islam rules.

      August 24, 2012 at 3:17 pm |
    • hinduism source of hindufilthyracism.

      Sorry guys, it is not my french, but of a hindu, ignorant spewing his hinduism, ignorance under my ID.

      August 24, 2012 at 3:23 pm |
    • hinduism source of hindufilthyracism.

      Islam teaches us to lie,,,,,got you all infidels again.

      August 24, 2012 at 3:26 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Not my post. That's the phony heavensent, that is also Tallulah, Reality, Doc Vestible, Tommmie Tom, and a host of dummy handles. You'd think this guy would get a real job?

      August 25, 2012 at 10:35 am |
  7. Reality

    Time for some "blaspheming" aka THE TRUTH:

    What instigated the attack on the Twin Towers and the Pentagon?

    And what drives today's 24/7 mosque/imam-planned acts of terror and horror?

    The koran, Mohammed's book of death for all infidels and Muslim domination of the world by any means.

    Muslims must clean up this book removing said passages admitting that they are based on the Gabriel myth and therefore obviously the hallucinations and/or lies of Mohammed.

    Then we can talk about the safety and location of mosques and what is taught therein.

    Until then, NO Muslim can be trusted anytime or anywhere..................................

    August 24, 2012 at 2:16 pm |
    • tallulah13

      @ Reality there are good and bad people in every religion. Did you know hitler was a christian?

      August 24, 2012 at 2:22 pm |
    • truth be told

      only an uninformed moron would think hitler was a Christian. hitler lived and died an atheist

      August 24, 2012 at 2:24 pm |
    • Reality Checkj

      Is there anything that says hate more than this? Why can Muslims co-exist with Christians in the US, but won't tolerate Christianity in the Muslim world? This culture is both depraved and socially unacceptable.

      August 24, 2012 at 2:26 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @truth be told

      Hitler's own writings contradict you. It's beside the point anyway. The fact remains that he used religion as a means to mobilize the entire country.

      August 24, 2012 at 2:27 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Weird. That wasn't my post, but I believe exactly that. So troll who is using my name, you accidentally got one right.

      August 24, 2012 at 2:30 pm |
    • truth be told

      hitler used whatever he could to justify his atheist beliefs.

      August 24, 2012 at 2:32 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @truth be told,

      only an uninformed moron would think hitler was a Christian. hitler lived and died an atheist

      Yet the minions who carried out his wishes were the 'good' Lutherans and Catholics of the third Reich. How is that possible? Did they all stop going to those prettty little medieval German churches all of a sudden?

      August 24, 2012 at 2:34 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @truth be told

      So he uses christianity to justify atheism? Do you realize how just plain stupid that is? Either way, facts just get in your way, so why not just say from the beginning that historical fact doesn't matter, since you apparently magically know the innermost workings of Hitlers thought process, and reasons.

      August 24, 2012 at 2:35 pm |
    • Huebert

      @TBT

      Do you have a psychic connection to Hitler? Because your knowledge of his personal beliefs seems to exceed Hitlers own.

      August 24, 2012 at 2:35 pm |
    • truth be trolled

      truth be told: fiction: "hitler used whatever he could to justify his atheist beliefs."

      fact: "hitler used whatever he could to justify his christian beliefs."

      August 24, 2012 at 2:36 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Poor, TBT. You aren't even a good troll. Anyone with internet access (which includes everyone on this blog) can easily find the historic truth about Hitler. You are simply a liar who persist in a lie.

      August 24, 2012 at 2:37 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      First they came for the Communists,
      and I did not speak out because I wasn't a Communist.

      Then they came for the Socialists,
      and I did not speak out because I wasn't a Socialist.

      Then they came for the Trade Unionists,
      and I did not speak out because I wasn't a Trade Unionist.

      Then they came for the Jews,
      and I did not speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

      Then they came for me,
      and there was no one left to speak for me.

      – Martin Niemöller (as interpreted)

      August 24, 2012 at 2:41 pm |
    • truth be told

      hitler was an atheist.you all can be wrong if you want to be. sad truth he murdered millions of innocents a failing all atheists in power have.

      August 24, 2012 at 2:43 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @truth be told

      Give the evidence for your assertion you moronic religious zealot. The more you continue your current stupidity, the more you hurt your own side, and the more you push yourself into irrelevancy.

      August 24, 2012 at 2:45 pm |
    • Huebert

      @TBT

      Please supply some sort of evidence for your as.sertion.

      August 24, 2012 at 2:46 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      Truth be told

      If Hitler was an atheist

      Jesus was a Nazi.

      August 24, 2012 at 2:55 pm |
    • truth be trolled

      Hitler was a christian. It's a fact. Look it up.

      August 24, 2012 at 3:00 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      testing 1, 2, 3

      August 24, 2012 at 3:00 pm |
    • hinduism source of hindufilthyracism.

      fine example of hinduism, ignorance of a hindu, ignorant spewing his hinduism ignorance as reality, having no knowledge of word REALITY, truth by birth.

      August 24, 2012 at 3:11 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @truth be told

      So no evidence? Got it. Oh wait that's right, evidence doesn't matter to you unless it supports, or you can spin it to support, your prconceptions.

      August 24, 2012 at 3:11 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @tbt,

      please tell us again how Chaiman Mao personally killed one out of every three people on the planet in the 20th century.

      I just love the way you tell that story.

      August 24, 2012 at 3:21 pm |
    • Reality

      The original Reality is an agnostic.

      Some added information on Hitler.

      "The allegation is sometimes made that Hitler was a Catholic – a Christian until the day he died. This claim is based upon the fact that Hitler was born and raised in a Catholic family.

      However, as an adult, Hitler specifically rejected the Catholic Church, as well as Christianity in general. He described himself as "a complete pagan".

      The book Hitler's Secret Conversations: 1941-1944, published by Farrar, Straus and Young, Inc. (1953), contains definitive proof of Hitler's real views. The book was published in Britain under the t-itle, Hitler's Table Talk: 1941-1944, which ti-tle was used for the Oxford University Press paperback edition in the United States.

      Some excerpts:

      All of these are quotes from Adolf Hitler:

      Night of 11th-12th July, 1941:

      "National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things. (p 6 & 7) "
      10th October, 1941, midday:

      "Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure. (p 43)"

      August 24, 2012 at 3:59 pm |
    • Reality

      The Twenty (or so) Worst Things People Have Done to Each Other:
      M. White, http://necrometrics.com/warstatz.htm#u (required reading)

      The Muslim Conquest of India

      "The likely death toll is somewhere between 2 million and 80 million. The geometric mean of those two limits is 12.7 million. "

      Rank …..Death Toll ..Cause …..Century……..(Religions/Groups involved)*

      1. 63 million Second World War 20C (Christians et al and Communists/atheists vs. Christians et al, Nazi-Pagan and "Shintoists")

      2. 40 million Mao Zedong (mostly famine) 20C (Communism)

      3. 40 million Genghis Khan 13C (Shamanism or Tengriism)

      4. 27 million British India (mostly famine) 19C (Anglican)

      5. 25 million Fall of the Ming Dynasty 17C (Buddhism, Taoism, Confucianism, Chinese folk religion)

      6. 20 million Taiping Rebellion 19C ( Confucianism, Buddhism and Chinese folk religion vs. a form of Christianity)

      7. 20 million Joseph Stalin 20C (Communism)

      8. 19 million Mideast Slave Trade 7C-19C (Islam)

      9. 17 million Timur Lenk 14C-15C

      10. 16 million Atlantic Slave Trade 15C-19C (Christianity)

      11. 15 million First World War 20C (Christians vs. Christians)

      12. 15 million Conquest of the Americas 15C-19C (Christians vs. Pagans)

      13. 13 million Muslim Conquest of India 11C-18C

      14. 10 million An Lushan Revolt 8C

      15. 10 million Xin Dynasty 1C

      16. 9 million Russian Civil War 20C (Christians vs Communists)

      17. 8 million Fall of Rome 5C (Pagans vs. Christians)

      18. 8 million Congo Free State 19C-20C (Christians)

      19. 7½ million Thirty Years War 17C (Christians vs Christians)

      20. 7½ million Fall of the Yuan Dynasty 14C

      *:" Is religion responsible for more violent deaths than any other cause?

      A: No, of course not – unless you define religion so broadly as to be meaningless. Just take the four deadliest events of the 20th Century – Two World Wars, Red China and the Soviet Union – no religious motivation there, unless you consider every belief system to be a religion."

      Q: So, what you're saying is that religion has never killed anyone.

      A: Arrgh... You all-or-nothing people drive me crazy. There are many doc-umented examples where members of one religion try to exterminate the members of another religion. Causation is always complex, but if the only difference between two warring groups is religion, then that certainly sounds like a religious conflict to me. Is it the number one cause of mass homicide in human history? No. Of the 22 worst episodes of mass killing, maybe four were primarily religious. Is that a lot? Well, it's more than the number of wars fought over soccer, or s-ex (The Trojan and Sabine Wars don't even make the list.), but less than the number fought over land, money, glory or prestige.

      In my Index, I list 41 religious conflicts compared with 27 oppressions under "Communism", 24 under Colonialism, 2 under "Railroads" and 2 under "Scapegoats". Make of that what you will."

      August 24, 2012 at 4:01 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      @ truth be told
      Hitler was a Christian you moron. Read a history book!

      August 24, 2012 at 4:23 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      RealityNot and Tommie Tom, same difference. Why not go further and explain how the liars you follow were the engineers of said wars, and they'll quick to play the victim card.

      August 25, 2012 at 12:24 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      correction: they're not they'll

      August 25, 2012 at 12:25 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Hitler belongs to your group of liars and thieves Tommie Tom.

      August 25, 2012 at 12:26 pm |
  8. hinduism source of hindufilthyracism.

    Pakistan was created on foundation of Allah, Al, the, La, limit, H, most high or truth absolute, foundation of every thing in existence, and affirmed in foundation of american Independence as God, none of hinduism, religions, denial of truth by hindu Jew's, criminal self centered, secular s can be permitted in land ruled by truth absolute. Quran quantifies truth absolute and teachers for humanity, not to be insulted by hindu's, deniers of truth absolute, cause of hinduism, illegality among humanity, deserving nothing less than deserving punishment prescribed by truth absolute for hindu's, criminals. hindu's criminals need not to play, if they do not like to pay.

    August 24, 2012 at 2:00 pm |
    • William Demuth

      Watch the skies for the Agni V, intermediate and long range ballistic missle.

      Coming to a mosque near you soon!

      August 24, 2012 at 2:05 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Oh Hell! Let's bomb all the wogs or find a way to kill all the males so we can take their women as slaves.

      August 24, 2012 at 2:10 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Keep believing the lies of Satan on the Talmud. Heaven will not miss athiests. I still have four toes left but I have lost feeling. God wants you to join him in paradise and all you have to do is love Him.

      Amen.

      August 24, 2012 at 2:12 pm |
    • Reality

      A PEACEFUL AND SAFE SOLUTION:

      From the studies of Armstrong, Rushdie, Hirsi Ali, Richardson and Bayhaqi----–

      The Five Steps To Deprogram 1400 Years of Islamic Myths:

      ( –The Steps take less than two minutes to finish- simply amazing, two minutes to bring peace and rationality to over one billion lost souls- Priceless!!!)

      Are you ready?

      Using "The 77 Branches of Islamic "faith" a collection compiled by Imam Bayhaqi as a starting point. In it, he explains the essential virtues that reflect true "faith" (iman) through related Qur’anic verses and Prophetic sayings." i.e. a nice summary of the Koran and Islamic beliefs.

      The First Five of the 77 Branches:

      "1. Belief in Allah"

      aka as God, Yahweh, Zeus, Jehovah, Mother Nature, etc. should be added to your self-cleansing neurons.

      "2. To believe that everything other than Allah was non-existent. Thereafter, Allah Most High created these things and subsequently they came into existence."

      Evolution and the Big Bang or the "Gi-b G-nab" (when the universe starts to recycle) are more plausible and the "akas" for Allah should be included if you continue to be a "crea-tionist".

      "3. To believe in the existence of angels."

      A major item for neuron cleansing. Angels/de-vils are the mythical creations of ancient civilizations, e.g. Hitt-ites, to explain/define natural events, contacts with their gods, big birds, sudden winds, protectors during the dark nights, etc. No "pretty/ug-ly wingy thingies" ever visited or talked to Mohammed, Jesus, Mary or Joseph or Joe Smith. Today we would classify angels as f–airies and "tin–ker be-lls". Modern de-vils are classified as the de-mons of the de-mented.

      "4. To believe that all the heavenly books that were sent to the different prophets are true. However, apart from the Quran, all other books are not valid anymore."

      Another major item to delete. There are no books written in the spirit state of Heaven (if there is one) just as there are no angels to write/publish/distribute them. The Koran, OT, NT etc. are simply books written by humans for humans.

      Prophets were invented by ancient scribes typically to keep the un-educated masses in line. Today we call them for-tune tellers.

      Prophecies are also invali-dated by the natural/God/Allah gifts of Free Will and Future.

      "5. To believe that all the prophets are true. However, we are commanded to follow the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings
      be upon him) alone."

      Mohammed spent thirty days "fasting" (the Ramadan legend) in a hot cave before his first contact with Allah aka God etc. via a "pretty wingy thingy". Common sense demands a neuron deletion of #5. #5 is also the major source of Islamic vi-olence i.e. turning Mohammed's "fast, hunger-driven" hallu-cinations into horrible reality for unbelievers.

      Walk these Five Steps and we guarantee a complete recovery from your Islamic ways!!!!

      Unfortunately, there are not many Muslim commentators/readers on this blog so the "two-minute" cure is not getting to those who need it. If you have a Muslim friend, send him a copy and help save the world.

      Analogous steps are available at your request for deprogramming the myths of Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism and Paganism..

      August 24, 2012 at 2:19 pm |
    • hinduism source of hindufilthyracism.

      Wish of a hindu, ignorant from hindered out law land called india, to be radiated by Hatif with Nuclear tips, before it can materialized.

      August 24, 2012 at 2:19 pm |
    • hinduism source of hindufilthyracism.

      From hinduism, absurdity of hindu's, denial of truth absolute Armstrong, Rushdie, Hirsi Ali, Richardson and Bayhaqi, quoted by a hindu, ignorant to spew his hishinduism, absurdity.

      August 24, 2012 at 2:22 pm |
    • hinduism source of hindufilthyracism.

      tallulah13, I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV, HeavenSent, Jesus, Blessed are the Cheesemakers, Bill Deacon

      fvck ya all hindu loving infidels. Get out of Middle East. Islam rules.

      Allah u Abkur
      Allah u Akbur

      August 24, 2012 at 3:23 pm |
    • tallulah13

      hey, "hinduism source of hindufilthyracism", I think your mom is calling. She wants you to come out of that basement right now and get a job!

      August 24, 2012 at 3:48 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      That's the fake heavensent's moronic posts.

      August 25, 2012 at 12:28 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      hinduism source of hindufilthyracism is Tommy Tom, as he tips his hand again (LOL). You're too easy to uncover.

      August 25, 2012 at 12:30 pm |
  9. ChristardMingle.com

    God created the universe.

    Many billions of years ago, a life form evolved on a planet not so far distant and their scientists deduced the building blocks for life existed in the universe and from it, new life forms could be created.

    These ancient ones populated Mars with life and eventually, due to asteroid events over millions of years, life arrived here on Earth. We are a product of that primeval turbulence.

    Therefore, we must worship the Aliens, not God. The Aliens have to worship God. This is all true because I have faith that it happened just this way

    August 24, 2012 at 1:55 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      @mingle

      I supposed you think humans just sprouted legs and big brains. Read the Bible's truth about the Garden of Eden. My vienna sausages are blue, but I think they are ok to eat. God created man and man is not a monkey. Read the Holy Scriptures made for you by Jesus.

      Amen.

      August 24, 2012 at 1:58 pm |
    • William Demuth

      So that makes you a Mormon right?

      August 24, 2012 at 2:03 pm |
    • hinduism source of hindufilthyracism.

      hinduism absurdity of a hindu, ignorant to please his hindu soul, ignorant desire, having nothing to do with spirit, truth but justified by hindu Judaism, ignorant secularism.

      August 24, 2012 at 2:04 pm |
    • ChristardMingle.com

      William, no I am not a mormon, why? I said Mars, not Kolob. My beliefs are the correct ones.

      August 24, 2012 at 2:08 pm |
    • GotMiracle

      Wow, sounds like Hubbard to me. Are you a Tom Cruise groupie, Chris? I hear he's free now. I am sure you have a chance;)

      August 25, 2012 at 2:01 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Those are not my posts. The fake heavensent is the pervert Scott, the webmaster aka Tom, Tom, the Piper's son, Reality, Tallulah13, and any of a number of 50 or so dummy handles.

      August 25, 2012 at 12:33 pm |
    • Nope

      "The fake heavensent is the pervert Scott, the webmaster aka Tom, Tom, the Piper's son, Reality, Tallulah13, and any of a number of 50 or so dummy handles."

      Do you have proof for that, HeavenSent?

      August 25, 2012 at 12:51 pm |
  10. ChristardMingle.com

    What if you were to simply think about what it would mean if there were a perfect, omnipotent, omniscient originator and ruler of the universe? Is it possible for such a being to exist?

    Epicures thought about it in 300 BCE, and he came up with this:

    "The gods can either take away evil from the world and will not, or, being willing to do so, cannot; or they neither can nor will, or lastly, they are both able and willing. If they have the will to remove evil and cannot, then they are not omnipotent. If they can, but will not, than they are not benevolent. If they are neither able nor willing, then they are neither omnipotent nor benevolent. Lastly, if they are both able and willing to annihilate evil, how does it exist?"

    In other words, if you sit and think about who God is supposed to be, you realize that such a being is impossible. Ridiculous, in fact.

    August 24, 2012 at 1:41 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Scotty you know you distort the truth of God because you want to be a mini God. Athiests are jealous of Jesus. My granny panties are stiff with urine stains. The devil, aka satan, turned his back on our Father and now fills you with his evil lies.

      Amen.

      August 24, 2012 at 1:49 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Not my post. Scott, you are and always will be a moron. No wonder why your Christian wife left you. You weighed her down.

      August 25, 2012 at 12:34 pm |
  11. The Central Scrutinizer

    Lighthouses are more useful the churches.
    Benjamin Franklin

    This would be the best of all possible worlds if there were no religion in it.
    John Adams

    Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man.
    Thomas Jefferson

    August 24, 2012 at 1:33 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Central, cough, tommie tom, you must have nothing better to do than steal my handle and spread your lies, like the other minions of satan. I save my toe nail clippings in a jar by my stove. Whose truth do you find in the golden rule, Jesus' truth.

      Amen.

      August 24, 2012 at 1:35 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @HeavenSent
      Have you abandoned our discussion re: Noah's flood on today's speed read?

      August 24, 2012 at 1:38 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Not my post. Scotty's out for blood for whatever reason besides being miserable.

      August 24, 2012 at 1:43 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      @Doc

      The Holy Bible is the truth sent to us by God through his son Jesus Christ. I challenge my dogs to flatulance contests. If you would take the time to educate yourself in the Bible you would learn the power of the truth.

      Amen.

      August 24, 2012 at 1:44 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      This is a somewhat-paraphrased version of the following:

      "...those who live by mystery & charlatanerie, fearing you would render them useless by simplifying the Christian philosophy, the most sublime & benevolent, but most perverted system that ever shone on man, endeavored to crush your well earnt, & well deserved fame." – Thomas Jefferson to Joseph Priestley, Washington, March 21, 1801[1]

      So you have misrepresented Jefferson who doesn't seem to indiit the tenets of Christianity as much as he does the malevolent practiitioners thereof. But never let the truth get in your way.

      August 24, 2012 at 1:48 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Phony heavensent is a pervert.

      August 24, 2012 at 1:49 pm |
    • mikey

      "Don't believe quote you may see on the internet, because you never know if they're from the real person or not." – Abraham Lincoln

      August 24, 2012 at 1:51 pm |
    • save the world and slap some sense into a christard today!

      I get the feeling HeavenSent is a perv whether she's on the phone or not.

      August 24, 2012 at 1:51 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      It appears you misconstrued Adams as well tsk tsk. Franklin next:

      John Adams
      Signer of the Declaration of Independence and Second President of the United States

      [I]t is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constiitution is pure virtue.

      (Source: John Adams, The Works of John Adams, Second President of the United States, Charles Francis Adams, editor (Boston: Little, Brown, 1854), Vol. IX, p. 401, to Zabdiel Adams on June 21, 1776.)

      [W]e have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. . . . Our consitiitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.

      (Source: John Adams, The Works of John Adams, Second President of the United States, Charles Francis Adams, editor (Boston: Little, Brown, and Co. 1854), Vol. IX, p. 229, October 11, 1798.)

      The moment the idea is admitted into society, that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence.

      August 24, 2012 at 1:58 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      Franklin on himself:

      [9] I had been religiously educated as a Presbyterian; and tho’ some of the dogmas of that
      persuasion, such as the eternal decrees of God, election, reprobation, etc., appeared to me
      unintelligible, others doubtful, and I early absented myself from the public assemblies of the sect,
      Sunday being my studying day, I never was without some religious principles. I never doubted,
      for instance, the existence of the Deity; that he made the world, and govern’d it by his
      Providence; that the most acceptable service of God was the doing good to man; that our souls
      are immortal; and that all crime will be punished, and virtue rewarded, either here or hereafter.

      August 24, 2012 at 2:02 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @The Central Scrutinizer,

      as lovely as all these quotes are. They are all either misinterpreted or taken out of their full context.

      August 24, 2012 at 2:02 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      Of these the Franklin reference is the closest to accuracy – but still out of context.

      After describing a narrow escape from shipwreck he added (in a letter to his wife):

      The bell ringing for church, we went thither immediately, and with hearts full of grat'tude, returned sincere thanks to God for the mercies we had received: were I a Roman Catholic, perhaps I should on this occasion vow to build a chapel to some saint, but as I am not, if I were to vow at all, it should be to build a light-house.

      http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Franklin

      August 24, 2012 at 2:05 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      The full Adams quote:

      Twenty times in the course of my late reading have I been on the point of breaking out, "This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it!!!" But in this exclamation I would have been as fanatical as Bryant or Cleverly. Without religion this world would be something not fit to be mentioned in polite company, I mean Hell.

      http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/John_Adams

      August 24, 2012 at 2:08 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @Bill D.

      I think it's a bit of a stretch to paint Franklin as a truly religious man. A product of his times and brought up in a Christian faith certainly. There are many contradictory quotes from him.

      Actions speak louder than words when professing religion, do they not?

      August 24, 2012 at 2:11 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      And finally from Albert Enstein: There is not the slightest indication that [nuclear energy] will ever be obtainable.

      August 24, 2012 at 2:12 pm |
    • The Central Scrutinizer

      Duh, I was just trying to get a rise out of HS. Those are the oldest mis-quotes in the book.

      August 24, 2012 at 2:14 pm |
    • hinduism source of hindufilthyracism.

      Book of hindu Mithra ism, pagan savior ism called Bible is hinduism of hindu Jew's, criminal self centered, cooked by subordinating teaching's of Hebrew's to fundamentals of hinduism, paganism, one has to be hindu, ignorant by faith to call hinduism, Bible, truth or by God, truth absolute.

      August 24, 2012 at 2:16 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @The Central Scutinizer,

      a thousand apologies my friend.

      Sometimes Poe's Law strikes where we least expect it. Next time I shall be prepared and girt myself in the armour of misdirection and obfustication.

      August 24, 2012 at 2:24 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      Ooops – obfuscation

      August 24, 2012 at 2:25 pm |
    • hinduism source of hindufilthyracism.

      a thousand apologies by "I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV". that's it! I demand million apologies from hindu loving infidels not one less.

      August 24, 2012 at 4:11 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Hinduism is the native religion of India believing that many deities reside in objects and animals.

      August 25, 2012 at 12:38 pm |
  12. The Central Scrutinizer

    HeavenSent
    @HeavenSent

    You are a hoarder who wallows in your own feces, stepping carefully over your dead cat skeletons to get to the broken refrigerator for some moldy cheese to feed to your starving dogs, all the while not realizing that you have your keyboard stuck so far up the crack of your enormous a.s.s that your next blog is going to smell worse than your arm pits. Bless your heart.

    Amen.

    August 24, 2012 at 1:31 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Tommie Tom. Get a life. Those aren't my post, but, I know you love talking with yourself after you hijack my handle then answer yourself.

      August 24, 2012 at 1:44 pm |
  13. Ann

    What's disturbing is that many people will recognize the insanity of sentencing an 11-year-old retarded girl to death for burning a few pieces of paper - then they'll look at the hate and destruction caused by their OWN religion and think it's just fine.

    August 24, 2012 at 1:30 pm |
  14. IslandAtheist

    Just another example of why religion deserves no respect.

    August 24, 2012 at 1:17 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      You smug and prideful athiests scoff in the face of he who can redeem you for your sins. My toilet has been broken for three years and my feces is piling up. It is time you took your walk with Jesus. Do not follow the lies of your father, satan and join him in hell to burn burn burn.

      Amen.

      August 24, 2012 at 1:27 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Not my post, but, an atheist posting using my handle to write their NONSENSE.

      August 24, 2012 at 1:47 pm |
    • tallulah13

      HS, this person is stealing everyone's name, including yours and mine. This person is merely a troll. I don't think he/she actually cares about religion one way or another. They are just pathetically begging for attention.

      August 24, 2012 at 3:16 pm |
    • blogger formerly known as Who invited me?

      yeah..same moron who stole my name and started filling pages with 6's and other nonsense.
      Hence the most recent change to my nom de plume.

      August 24, 2012 at 3:19 pm |
    • sam

      I wish the real HS was half as entertaining as the fake one. The real one is just creepy.

      August 24, 2012 at 3:19 pm |
    • tallulah13

      No kidding. The Fake HS is hysterical.

      August 24, 2012 at 3:53 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Figures you morons laugh at perversion. Then again, your dummy handles all belong to Scotty.

      August 25, 2012 at 12:40 pm |
  15. Prospero

    Israel is undergoing "Judaization" just as Pakistan has gone through "Islamization" . This appeases its extreme groups. So, if you're ever asked how Israel is like Pakistan, now you know.

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/four-women-arrested-for-wearing-prayer-shawls-at-the-western-wall/

    August 24, 2012 at 1:17 pm |
    • William Demuth

      Prospero

      You seem to have forgotten us.

      Our Christian right is pulling America into Looney land quite methodically.

      I hope saner heads prevail in all the places where Theocrats want to drag us backwards

      August 24, 2012 at 1:22 pm |
    • kvo

      Explain to me William...How is the Christian Right " pulling America into Looney land quite methodically."

      If anything we have gone so far from our previously Judeo-Christian foundations, into a much more liberally tolerated state. Hard line Christians have really only made a fuss about one thing, abortion. So if you think abortion is that important of an issue that we are being dragged to the looney bin, I think you need to reevaluate your principles.

      August 24, 2012 at 1:43 pm |
    • William Demuth

      kvo

      How about three wars with Muslim states? How about supporting extremists in Israel in stiring up a fourth
      How about trying to teach the next generation that the earth is 6k years old, and NOT teaching them evolution.
      How about STILL avoiding accountability for the thousand of children buggered by your preachers?
      How about using cult funds to promote hatred and bigotry?

      I could go on all day

      August 24, 2012 at 1:53 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      "Hard line Christians have really only made a fuss about one thing, abortion."

      kvo,

      Really?

      Gay Marriage.
      Teaching Intelligent design in public school science class.
      S.e.x education.
      Arguing that businesses they are involved in that are not religious in nature should nt have to cover contraception through its Insurance plan.

      Abortion may be the only thing YOU care about but your religious fanatic brothers and sisters are all about forcing others to live within their "morality".

      August 24, 2012 at 1:55 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Judaism is the false man made religion that follows the devil. They worship MONEY, MONEY, AND MORE MONEY. Power is what they need to obtain for more money.

      August 25, 2012 at 12:42 pm |
  16. William Demuth

    I hope India nukes these animals.

    August 24, 2012 at 12:58 pm |
    • Which God?

      @ William. Can't happen soon enough. Iran should be next.

      August 24, 2012 at 1:08 pm |
  17. Denis Diderot

    .

    Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.

    August 24, 2012 at 12:54 pm |
    • kvo

      Yes, because cruelty will set us free!

      August 24, 2012 at 1:44 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      kvo,

      What?

      August 24, 2012 at 1:57 pm |
  18. snowboarder

    it should be the purpose of every thinking individual to wrest power from the hands of those who espouse religion.

    one thing is plainly clear from history, there is no possibility of preserving liberty when religion is involved.

    August 24, 2012 at 12:49 pm |
    • truth be told

      Without God there is no liberty.

      August 24, 2012 at 12:56 pm |
    • snowboarder

      be told – pure fallacy. who makes up that garbage?

      August 24, 2012 at 1:01 pm |
    • truth be told

      The founding fathers on the United State of America.

      August 24, 2012 at 1:15 pm |
    • snowboarder

      be told – our founding fathers set up a secular nation. they knew first hand the abuses of those who purport the backing of god and worked tirelessly to ensure that did not happen in this counrty.

      August 24, 2012 at 1:18 pm |
    • truth be told

      The myth of the secular founding is relatively new and like the aging hippies a child of the 60's, a sort of recreation in the image of the stoners,unfortunately it is as much fiction as any other revisionist history.

      August 24, 2012 at 1:55 pm |
    • blogger formerly known as Who invited me?

      lies be told
      it is no myth you ignorant troll.Read the journals, diaries and correspondance of the founding fathers.
      Also, just because someone wrote that they believe in a god, does not make god real.

      August 24, 2012 at 2:00 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      A religious zealot talking about revisionist history? Oh the irony is quite thick.

      August 24, 2012 at 2:03 pm |
    • truth be told

      Actually I am quite moderate, not a zealot at all. History is what history is. America was founded in prayer in a thousand community churches by Christians for Christians.

      August 24, 2012 at 2:07 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      That's just a plain old lie. Where in the Constitution does it state that this country is founded on Christian principals. Especially considering a good amount of the founding fathers were Deists, and made it quite clear that there is a seperation of church and state.

      August 24, 2012 at 2:09 pm |
    • truth be told

      The founding of America came from those thousands of colonial church congregations, the founding fathers were representatives of those Christian congregations.

      August 24, 2012 at 2:12 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      And where is your historical evidence of that? Do you want to know how stupid our assertion relly is? I went to a very christian school for all but my senior year of high school, and even they didn't attempt to make the claim that this nation was founded as a christian nation.

      August 24, 2012 at 2:15 pm |
    • tallulah13

      TBT doesn't believe in actually looking at fact before deciding what is history. Much of what TBT says is simply invented, whole cloth, from TBT's imagination. Poor thing doesn't seem to understand that docu.mented truth is very easy to find when you have access to the internet.

      But then again, what else can you expect from someone who calls themselves "Truth be Told"? People with screen names like that are generally the biggest liars.

      August 24, 2012 at 2:20 pm |
  19. TROLL ALERT

    Please don't feed it.

    August 24, 2012 at 12:37 pm |
  20. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things

    August 24, 2012 at 12:36 pm |
    • snowboarder

      ...available scientific evidence does not support claims that faith healing can actually cure physical ailments... One review published in 1998 looked at 172 cases of deaths among children treated by faith healing instead of conventional methods. These researchers estimated that if conventional treatment had been given, the survival rate for most of these children would have been more than 90 percent, with the remainder of the children also having a good chance of survival. A more recent study found that more than 200 children had died of treatable illnesses in the United States over the past thirty years because their parents relied on spiritual healing rather than conventional medical treatment. In addition, at least one study has suggested that adult Christian Scientists, who generally use prayer rather than medical care, have a higher death rate than other people of the same age

      August 24, 2012 at 1:00 pm |
    • Atheism is Healthy for Kids and Grown-Ups Too!

      It's really best for all people including children to have an agnostic approach to god, and an atheistic approach to all religion. Teaching kids to be agnostic helps reinforce their understanding of the new real things they can see and learn about in life. It helps them properly separate the known from the unknown without confusing them. They just need to be taught things that are unknown, like god, and things that are made up, like all religion.

      Atheists have strong minds, and don't run and hide their misdeeds within their religion (and by doing so, disserving society).

      We have only begun to scratch the surface in using the mind to its maximum. Damaging it with made-up junk that politicians and salesmen dreamed up long ago is senseless, and limits the mind's potential. These politicians and charlatans didn't even do a good job of organizing and being consistent with the stuff they dreamt up to try to control people. Daddy used to say they were caught with their pants down when the bible was first translated so that common folk could read it. Very true.

      old mama kindless

      August 24, 2012 at 1:05 pm |
    • truth be told

      atheists have murdered more people in the last 100 years than were killed in all previous centuries. You consider murder a healthy thing then?

      August 24, 2012 at 1:08 pm |
    • snowboarder

      be told – not one person has ever been killed as per the tenants of atheism.

      August 24, 2012 at 1:11 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      Let us praise God. O Lord...
      ...ooh, You are so big...
      ...So absolutely huge.
      Gosh, we're all really impressed down here, I can tell You.
      Forgive us, O Lord, for this, our dreadful toadying, and...
      And barefaced flattery.
      But You are so strong and, well, just so super.
      Fantastic.
      Amen.

      August 24, 2012 at 1:11 pm |
    • blogger formerly known as Who invited me?

      truth be told...incorrect
      lies be told is the reality of it.

      August 24, 2012 at 1:11 pm |
    • Which God?

      This b!tch-slapped fart is a one celled, one thought, troll. A troll who can't prove anything, and hasn't. Pity this poor troll for its ignorance and stupidity.

      August 24, 2012 at 1:13 pm |
    • snowboarder

      tenets

      August 24, 2012 at 1:13 pm |
    • just wondering

      As an annoying former idiot why should we believe anything you say? Could you prove your statement please?

      August 24, 2012 at 1:14 pm |
    • Atheism is Healthy for Kids and Grown-Ups Too!

      truth be told lied again and said: "atheists have murdered more . . ."

      We've been over all this before – ruthless rulers of the world, many of whom actually practiced and had official religions are a poor, if not the worst example to associate with atheism. Haven't you learned by now that is a stupid approach? It is more helpful to look at entire organizations, such as the Catholic Church, that have been responsible for the death and disenfranchisement of many, many people in the name of their twisted version of something that was already made-up nonsense.

      August 24, 2012 at 1:34 pm |
    • kvo

      Just because YOU can't dissociate religion from reality doesn't mean it's better to have agnostic children. Religion has been corrupted by man, but man can reclaim it's principles by simply ignoring the foolish commands that were not made by God or a prophet, but by men who wrote these codes hundreds of years later. Teach your kids the good religion can bring, teach them the evil it has caused, but teaching them that maybe God exists won't necessarily help them, it will only give them the idea that there is no greater consequence. If anything that is the best thing about believing in God, that no matter what happens here, there IS a punishment beyond this life. It's absolutely ridiculous that people try to disclaim this theory with "fact." God created the universe, he can manipulate anything in this world, you have to have FAITH that he exists, not proof.

      August 24, 2012 at 1:48 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Which God?, you posted "This b!tch-slapped fart is a one celled, one thought, troll. A troll who can't prove anything, and hasn't. Pity this poor troll for its ignorance and stupidity.
      August 24, 2012 at 1:13 pm | Report abuse |"

      Answer: You atheists wonder why r a p e continues in this country? Your filthy minds continue.

      August 24, 2012 at 1:56 pm |
    • truth be told

      You consider the truth of millions murdered by atheists to be a "stupid' approach to YOU because it exposes so called atheism for what it actually is. Sorry about you and sorry for the millions murdered and tortured by atheists.

      August 24, 2012 at 1:58 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      "If anything that is the best thing about believing in God, that no matter what happens here, there IS a punishment beyond this life."

      kvo,

      Threats of eternal punishment betray a weak agument.

      Faith is pretending to know something you don't know. It is not a virtue. If you believe in a god that punishes people for eternity and you think that is just, you and your god are immoral.

      August 24, 2012 at 2:01 pm |
    • save the world and slap some sense into a christard today!

      kvo wrote: "Just because YOU can't dissociate religion from reality doesn't mean it's better to have agnostic children. Religion has been corrupted by man, but man can reclaim it's principles by . . ."

      Who are you addressing? Anway – you're quite incorrect because religion was made up by man, so trying to reclaim anything will just further corrupt and handicap people's minds. Hey – whadda you know – this then indicates that in fact, yes, it is better to have agnostic children.

      August 24, 2012 at 2:03 pm |
    • Jesus

      Prayer does not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs` .

      August 24, 2012 at 2:28 pm |
    • tallulah13

      The blasphemy laws are quite strict in those parts of the world, yes and for a reason. In Islam we have five pillars of fatih and it requires us to follow the tenets and the rules. We should be respectful of these tenets taught by our prophet Mohammad (RIP).

      The case of how we depict our ideologies whcih is the citadel of our belief has been established in such a way that soon we will have blaspphemy laws as part of the EU regulation codes

      August 24, 2012 at 2:35 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Silly fake Tallulah. I have never made my atheism a secret.

      August 24, 2012 at 2:39 pm |
    • GotMiracle

      Just because we pray does not mean we fail to seek medical aid from the hands of skilled doctors, Snowboarder. However; when science has nothing left to offer then prayer can provide relief. First; prayer can give comfort and/or acceptance of the situation. More rarely; prayer can actually be answered with a medical miracle.
      For example; I had permanently fused bones that were inoperable. The specialists of the medical community had done as much as was possible for them to do. There was no harm in my asking for aid with prayer before resigning myself to a permanent disability. The prayer resulted in me being healed. My X-rays after the miracle were back to normal. I ran 3.8 miles this morning.
      I cannot tell you how or why prayer worked, it just did.

      August 25, 2012 at 3:34 am |
    • HeavenSent

      truth be told, great post.

      Amen.

      August 25, 2012 at 12:44 pm |
    • GM is a dummy

      @GotMiracle......What you fail to say is that the 'fused bones' were in your arm!
      All kidding aside, you KNOW your recovery has to be chalked up to pure chance. The other posters were trying to tell you prayer has no effect. If you roll the dice enough, sooner or later you will get 'sanke eyes'.(pun intended)

      August 26, 2012 at 12:02 pm |
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