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Philippines, Muslim rebels reach peace deal
October 8th, 2012
04:45 AM ET

Philippines, Muslim rebels reach peace deal

By the CNN Wire Staff

(CNN) - The Philippines has reached a preliminary agreement with Muslim rebels after 15 years of talks, the president announced Sunday, marking a major milestone after decades of militant insurgency in the nation's troubled south.

The Moro Islamic Liberation Front has fought for decades for an independent Islamic state in southern Philippines. It has been blamed for rampant attacks in the region.

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- A. Hawkins

Filed under: Muslim • Philippines

soundoff (22 Responses)
  1. Where is your God now?

    During the Philippine–American War. U.S. Army General Otis stated that Filipino insurgents tortured American prisoners in “fiendish fashion”. According to Otis, many were buried alive or were placed up to their necks in ant hills. He said others had their genitals removed and stuffed into their mouths and were then executed by suffocation or bleeding to death.

    October 8, 2012 at 12:44 pm |
    • Takamak

      Primitive ignorant people are often violent to an amazing degree. It's so much nicer to blow them up from a distance....

      October 8, 2012 at 12:55 pm |
    • Where is your God now?

      The number of Filipino casualties was at the time, and still is, debated and politicized. It is estimated that some 34,000 Filipino soldiers lost their lives and that as many as 200,000 civilians may have died directly or indirectly as a result of the war, most due to a major cholera epidemic that broke out near its end.

      October 8, 2012 at 12:57 pm |
    • Reality

      For a very good analysis of the body count in the Philipine-American War see:

      http://necrometrics.com/20c100k.htm#Phil-Am (M. White)

      An excerpt:

      "•John Gates ("War-Related Deaths in the Philippines, 1898-1902", Pacific Historical Review 53:367 (1983)) estimates a demographic shortfall between 127,593 and 362,659. A 1902 cholera epidemic killed a recorded 137,505, so the absolute most that could have died in the war would be 225,154 (362659-137505). ◦According to Gates: The most commonly cited number is 600,000, which is based on General Bell's 1901 comment that 1/6 of Luzon had died. There is, however, uncertainty over which "General Bell" said this, and how knowledgeable he would be.

      ◦The second most commonly cited number is probably 200,000, which also has an uncertain origin, but was already in circulation by 1913.

      ◦Sometimes you'll hear 3 million mentioned, but this originated as a typo in West Point: America's Power Fraternity. Because 3 million is so shocking, it has a tendency to stick in people's mind and get repeated (Compton's, under "Philippines", for example, gives the death toll as 1-3M). In any case, the passage was supposed to say 300,000."

      October 8, 2012 at 5:53 pm |
  2. Takamak

    Instead of forcibly expelling these undesirable Muslims, they give them their own theocracy.
    Now Al-Qaeda has another port they can use to smuggle terrorists and weapons. Good idea. Not.

    The Phillipines has long been a nasty little place. Now they got some money from some rich Muslims to make them go away.
    But they aren't going far. Just close enough to be a threat, now multiplied by giving them their own country. Very very stupid.

    October 8, 2012 at 12:39 pm |
  3. George Patton

    it's not talks,but money. They can't find sponsors to keep going. Thanks to American policy on terrorism.

    October 8, 2012 at 12:27 pm |
    • 24 Hour Crisis Center

      money talks

      October 8, 2012 at 12:41 pm |
  4. Bleh

    so there's some kind of preliminary agreement but your article doesn't say anything about what they are agreeing to.

    CNN FAIL

    October 8, 2012 at 10:47 am |
  5. William Demuth

    Talks?

    Someone insists that an imaginary man in the sky demands you live your life a certain way, and you don't want to live that way.

    Exactly what do you have to talk about?

    October 8, 2012 at 9:53 am |
  6. thecollegeadmissionsguru

    15 years of TALKS???? And people claim that religions are not dangerous... yeah...

    October 8, 2012 at 9:36 am |
  7. Kebos

    http://www.ottawacitizen.com/touch/opinion/columns/Column+Muslim+world+awaits+Great+Separation/7357141/story.html

    October 8, 2012 at 8:59 am |
  8. Kebos

    Separation of church and state? The Moro Islamic Liberation Front and all Muslims know their objective is world domination. Islam for all. Western civilization must resist this at every step. Religion is a personal matter and must be kept out of politics.

    October 8, 2012 at 8:55 am |
  9. Reality

    Putting the final kibosh on religion and therefore putting an end to religious conflicts that continue to disrupt global peace and tranquility.

    • There was probably no Abraham i.e. the foundations of Judaism, Christianity and Islam are non-existent.

    • There was probably no Moses i.e the pillars of Judaism, Christianity and Islam have no strength of purpose.

    • There was no Gabriel i.e. Islam fails as a religion. Christianity partially fails.

    • There was no Easter i.e. Christianity completely fails as a religion.

    • There was no Moroni i.e. Mormonism is nothing more than a business cult.

    • Sacred/revered cows, monkey gods, castes, reincarnations and therefore Hinduism fails as a religion.

    • Fat Buddhas here, skinny Buddhas there, reincarnated/reborn Buddhas everywhere makes for a no on Buddhism.

    Added details are available at your request.

    A quick Google, Bing or Yahoo search will put the kibosh on any other groups calling themselves a religion.

    e.g. Taoism

    "The origins of Taoism are unclear. Traditionally, Lao-tzu who lived in the sixth century is regarded as its founder. Its early philosophic foundations and its later beliefs and rituals are two completely different ways of life. Today (1982) Taoism claims 31,286,000 followers.

    Legend says that Lao-tzu was immaculately conceived by a shooting star; carried in his mother's womb for eighty-two years; and born a full grown wise old man. "

    October 8, 2012 at 7:43 am |
    • William Demuth

      There is no Reality

      October 8, 2012 at 9:57 am |
    • Reality

      For the Christian Filipinos,

      The Apostles' Creed 2012: (updated by yours truly and based on the studies of historians and theologians of the past 200 years)

      Should I believe in a god whose existence cannot be proven
      and said god if he/she/it exists resides in an unproven,
      human-created, spirit state of bliss called heaven??

      I believe there was a 1st century CE, Jewish, simple,
      preacher-man who was conceived by a Jewish carpenter
      named Joseph living in Nazareth and born of a young Jewish
      girl named Mary. (Some say he was a mamzer.)

      Jesus was summarily crucified for being a temple rabble-rouser by
      the Roman troops in Jerusalem serving under Pontius Pilate,

      He was buried in an unmarked grave and still lies
      a-mouldering in the ground somewhere outside of
      Jerusalem.

      Said Jesus' story was embellished and "mythicized" by
      many semi-fiction writers. A descent into Hell, a bodily resurrection
      and ascension stories were promulgated to compete with the
      Caesar myths. Said stories were so popular that they
      grew into a religion known today as Catholicism/Christianity
      and featuring dark-age, daily wine to blood and bread to body rituals
      called the eucharistic sacrifice of the non-atoning Jesus.

      Amen
      (references used are available upon request)

      October 8, 2012 at 5:21 pm |
    • Reality

      For the Muslim Filipinos,

      From the studies of Armstrong, Rushdie, Hirsi Ali, Richardson and Bayhaqi----–

      The Five Steps To Deprogram 1400 Years of Islamic Myths:

      ( –The Steps take less than two minutes to finish- simply amazing, two minutes to bring peace and rationality to over one billion lost souls- Priceless!!!)

      Are you ready?

      Using "The 77 Branches of Islamic "faith" a collection compiled by Imam Bayhaqi as a starting point. In it, he explains the essential virtues that reflect true "faith" (iman) through related Qur’anic verses and Prophetic sayings." i.e. a nice summary of the Koran and Islamic beliefs.

      The First Five of the 77 Branches:

      "1. Belief in Allah"

      aka as God, Yahweh, Zeus, Jehovah, Mother Nature, etc. should be added to your self-cleansing neurons.

      "2. To believe that everything other than Allah was non-existent. Thereafter, Allah Most High created these things and subsequently they came into existence."

      Evolution and the Big Bang or the "Gi-b G-nab" (when the universe starts to recycle) are more plausible and the "akas" for Allah should be included if you continue to be a "crea-tionist".

      "3. To believe in the existence of angels."

      A major item for neuron cleansing. Angels/de-vils are the mythical creations of ancient civilizations, e.g. Hitt-ites, to explain/define natural events, contacts with their gods, big birds, sudden winds, protectors during the dark nights, etc. No "pretty/ug-ly wingy thingies" ever visited or talked to Mohammed, Jesus, Mary or Joseph or Joe Smith. Today we would classify angels as f–airies and "tin–ker be-lls". Modern de-vils are classified as the de-mons of the de-mented.

      "4. To believe that all the heavenly books that were sent to the different prophets are true. However, apart from the Quran, all other books are not valid anymore."

      Another major item to delete. There are no books written in the spirit state of Heaven (if there is one) just as there are no angels to write/publish/distribute them. The Koran, OT, NT etc. are simply books written by humans for humans.

      Prophets were invented by ancient scribes typically to keep the un-educated masses in line. Today we call them for-tune tellers.

      Prophecies are also invali-dated by the natural/God/Allah gifts of Free Will and Future.

      "5. To believe that all the prophets are true. However, we are commanded to follow the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings
      be upon him) alone."

      Mohammed spent thirty days "fasting" (the Ramadan legend) in a hot cave before his first contact with Allah aka God etc. via a "pretty wingy thingy". Common sense demands a neuron deletion of #5. #5 is also the major source of Islamic vi-olence i.e. turning Mohammed's "fast, hunger-driven" hallu-cinations into horrible reality for unbelievers.

      Walk these Five Steps and we guarantee a complete recovery from your Islamic ways!!!!

      Unfortunately, there are not many Muslim commentators/readers on this blog so the "two-minute" cure is not getting to those who need it. If you have a Muslim friend, send him a copy and help save the world.

      Analogous steps are available at your request for deprogramming the myths of Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism and Paganism..
      From Google Translate:

      Mula sa mga pag-aaral ng Armstrong, Rushdie, Hirsi Ali, Richardson at Bayhaqi ----–

      Ang Limang Hakbang Upang Deprogram 1400 Taon ng Islamic Myths:

      (Ang Hakbang tumagal mas mababa sa dalawang minuto upang matapos-lamang na mga kamangha-manghang, dalawang minuto upang dalhin ang kapayapaan at pagkamaykatwiran sa mahigit sa isang bilyong nawala kaluluwa-hindi mabibili ng salapi!!!)

      Handa ka na ba?

      Paggamit ng "Ang 77 Sangay ng Islamic" pananampalataya "isang koleksyon inipon ni Imam Bayhaqi bilang isang panimulang punto. Sa ito, siya nagpapaliwanag sa mahalagang mga virtues na nagpapakita ng totoo" pananampalataya "(iman) sa pamamagitan ng kaugnay na mga bersikulo ng Qur'anic at Prophetic sayings." ie gandang buod ng Koran at Islamic paniniwala.

      Ang Unang Limang ng 77 Sangay:

      "1. Paniniwala sa Ala"

      aka bilang Diyos, Yahweh, Zeus, Jehovah, Ina Kalikasan, atbp. ay dapat idagdag sa iyong mga self-hugas neurons.

      "2. Upang naniniwala ang lahat maliban sa Ala ay hindi umiiral. Pagkatapos noon, Ala Kataas-taasan nilikha ang mga bagay na ito at kasunod na sila ay dumating sa pagkakaroon."

      Ebolusyon at ang Big Bang o "sundalo-b G-dakpin" (kapag ang uniberso ay nagsisimula sa Recycle) ay mas mukhang mapaniwalaan at ang "Akas" para sa Ala ay dapat na kasama kung patuloy kang maging isang "crea-tionist".

      "3. Upang naniniwala sa pagkakaroon ng mga anghel."

      Pangunahing item para sa neuron hugas. Anghel / de-vils hindi tunay na nilikha ng mga sinaunang civilizations, hal Hitt-ites, upang ipaliwanag / tukuyin ang mga natural na mga kaganapan, mga contact sa kanilang mga diyos, malaking ibon, biglaang hangin, protectors panahon ang madilim na gabi, atbp. Walang "medyo / ug-ly wingy thingies" kailanman binisita o uusapang Mohammed, si Jesus, si Maria o Joseph o Joe Smith. Ngayon namin uri-uriin ang mga anghel bilang f-airies at "lata-ker na-lls". Ay naiuri ang mga modernong de-vils bilang de-Mons ng de-mented.

      "4. Upang naniniwala na ang lahat ng mga makalangit na aklat na ipinadala sa ibang mga propeta ay totoo. Gayunpaman, bukod mula sa Quran, ang lahat ng iba pang mga aklat ay hindi wastong na ngayon."

      Isa pang pangunahing item na tatanggalin. Walang mga aklat na nakasulat sa espiritu estado ng Langit (kung may isa) tulad ng walang mga anghel upang magsulat / mag-publish / ipamahagi ang mga ito. Ang Koran, OT, NT atbp. Simpleng mga aklat na nakasulat sa pamamagitan ng mga tao para sa mga tao.

      Mga propeta ay imbento ng mga sinaunang scribes karaniwang upang panatilihin ang mga un-pinag-masa sa linya. Ngayon tinatawag naming ang mga ito para-tune tellers.

      Propesiya ay din invali-napetsahan ng natural / Diyos / Ala mga regalo ng Libreng ay at Future.

      "5. Upang naniniwala na ang lahat ng mga propeta ay totoo. Gayunpaman, kami ay iniutos upang sundin ang Propetang si Muhammad (kapayapaan at bendisyon
      kapag siya) nag-iisa. "

      Mohammed ginugol ng tatlumpung araw "pag-aayuno" (ang alamat ng Ramadan) sa isang mainit na kuweba bago ang kanyang unang contact sa Ala aka Diyos atbp. Sa pamamagitan ng isang "medyo wingy thingy". Bait humihingi isang neuron pagtanggal ng # 5. # 5 din ang pangunahing pinagmumulan ng Islamic vi-olence ie Ino Mohammed "mabilis, kagutuman-driven" hallu-cinations sa kalagim-lagim na katotohanan para sa mga hindi naniniwala.

      Maglakad mga Limang Hakbang at gina-garantiya namin ang isang kumpletong pagbawi mula sa iyong mga Islamic paraan!!!!

      Sa kasamaang palad, may mga hindi maraming Muslim mga commentators / mga mambabasa sa blog na ito kaya ang "dalawang minutong" lunas ay hindi pagkuha sa mga nangangailangan nito. Kung mayroon kang isang Muslim kaibigan, magpadala sa kanya ng isang kopya at tulungan i-save ang mundo.

      Kahalintulad na hakbang ay magagamit sa iyong kahilingan para sa deprogramming ang mga myths ng Kristiyanismo, Hudaismo, Budismo, Hinduismo at Paganismo ..

      October 8, 2012 at 5:28 pm |
  10. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things

    October 8, 2012 at 4:52 am |
    • Portland tony

      This is rather a bizarre post since this peace accord had very little to do with religion and was strictly political in nature. Tends to illustrate how really uninformed this nut who keeps trolling this blog truely is.

      October 8, 2012 at 5:20 am |
    • nope

      @port...
      nope

      October 8, 2012 at 5:24 am |
    • HeavenSense

      Hi Prayerbot.

      October 8, 2012 at 6:11 am |
    • hal 9001

      I'm sorry, "Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things", but your assertions regarding atheism and prayer are unfounded. The degree to which your assertions may represent truths is 0.0. To help you understand the degree to which your assertions may represent truths, I will access my Idiomatic Expression Equivalency module (IEE). Using my IEE module, the expression that best matches the degree to which your assertions may represent truths is: "TOTAL FAIL".

      I see that you repeat these unfounded statements with high frequency. Perhaps the following book might help you overcome this problem:

      I'm Told I Have Dementia: What You Can Do... Who You Can Turn to...
      by the Alzheimer's Disease Society
      ...............

      October 8, 2012 at 1:21 pm |
    • Jesus

      Prayer does not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!

      October 10, 2012 at 11:38 am |

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