By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor
Washington (CNN) – A U.S. congressman is attracting attention and criticism for an online video that shows him blasting evolution and the Big Bang theory as “lies from the pit of hell” in a recent speech at a church event in his home state of Georgia.
“All that stuff I was taught about evolution, embryology, the Big Bang theory, all that is lies straight from the pit of hell,” U.S Rep. Paul Broun said in an address last month at a banquet organized by Liberty Baptist Church in Hartwell, Georgia. “And it’s lies to try to keep me and all the folks who were taught that from understanding that they need a savior.”
Broun, a medical doctor by training, serves on the House Committee on Science, Space and Technology.
Speaking at Liberty Baptist Church’s Sportsman’s Banquet on September 27, he said that “a lot of scientific data that I’ve found out as a scientist that actually show that this is really a young Earth.”
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“I don’t believe that the Earth’s but about 9,000 years old,” Broun said in the speech, which Liberty Baptist Church posted on its website via YouTube. “I believe it was created in six days as we know them. That’s what the Bible says."
Scientists say that the Earth is roughly 4.5 billion years old and that the universe dates back 13.7 billion years.
In his speech to the church group, Broun called the Bible the “the manufacturer’s handbook. … It teaches us how to run all of public policy and everything in our society.”
“That’s the reason, as your congressman, I hold the holy Bible as being the major directions to me of how I vote in Washington, D.C., and I’ll continue to do that,” he said.
A spokeswoman for the congressman, Meredith Griffanti, said that Broun was not available for comment on Wednesday and that the video showed him “speaking off the record to a large church group about his personal beliefs regarding religious issues.”
The congressman’s remarks about science have drawn attention online, with critics taking aim at his role on the science committee.
Bill Nye, the popular science personality, told the Huffington Post in an e-mail that "Since the economic future of the United States depends on our tradition of technological innovation, Representative Broun's views are not in the national interest."
"For example, the Earth is simply not 9,000 years old," said Nye, a mechanical engineer and television personality best known for his program "Bill Nye the Science Guy." Broun "is, by any measure, unqualified to make decisions about science, space, and technology."
Talking Points Memo reported on the church video over the weekend after being tipped off by the Bridge Project, a progressive group that tracks conservative activity.
Most creationists believe in the account of the origins of the world as told in the Book of Genesis, the first book of the Bible.
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In the creation account, God creates Adam and Eve, the world and everything in it in six days.
For Christians who read the Genesis account literally, or authoritatively as they would say, the six days in the account are literal 24-hour periods and leave no room for evolution. Young Earth creationists use this construct and biblical genealogies to determine the age of the Earth and typically come up with 6,000 to 10,000 years.
The Gallup Poll has been tracking Americans' views on creation and evolution for 30 years. In June, it released its latest findings, which showed that 46% of Americans believed in creationism, 32% believed in evolution guided by God, and 15% believed in atheistic evolution.
– CNN's Eric Marrapodi contributed to this report.
Measuring from one horizon point to another on a flat fields, the Greeks used geometry to determine that the earth was round and its approx. size. How could the Bible get it wrong?
These beliefs are fine for the individual, but not for the group. Saying that the seven days of creation, involved seven twenty four hour periods is illogical! Man didn't know what time was until he created it. That's the whole problem with the belief. How can he meaasure something that didn't even exist – time. He's just guessing at how old the earth was based on something we've only measured for thousands of years – not nine thousand years. What ever happened to the notion it's all a mystery and we just have to believe. That is what time is. Something none of us really understand. We're working on the measurement we use today – not what has always been used. One of the most arrogant things about religion is that we think our days are all the most important of history. What we know is the ultimate. What we believe is the best and most credible. Our days are just a series of time that will be forgotten about and replaced by the next. We tend to believe, as has every generation of time, that the earth will be destroyed in our generation, not a thousand years from now. What makes us think we're so important that the rapture will happen in our time?
This lunatic Doctor is on the House Committee on Science, Space and Technology? He shouldn't even allowed to practice medicine.
I applaud the Congressman for his courage and he's certainly telling the truth. The so-called Big Bang theory and the Evolution theory are indeed lies from hell (and no amount of being upset about it and cursing and swearing and stomping your feet by the unbelievers is going to change that fact). It is rare that you see someone standing up for God (although you see people defending Lucifer all the time). The only question is, how long before the Congressman buckles from all the pressure of those who are of the devil to change his statement – especially if his livelihood and future in the senate is threatened. Usually, in these kinds of situations, it's not long before a person will buckle. But buckle or not, he's right in what he said, the Big Bang theory and the Evolution theory are indeed lies from hell. And when Judgment Day arrives (which is coming whether you believe that fact or not) a whole lot of people are going to find that out...
I will take my chances and live as a free man.Not held by the bondage of bronze age myths.You live in fear of someone your supposed to love.The very heart of sado-machism.
I seem to remember some saying about not being able to fix something....now, what was that?
I'm pretty sure it applies to you...
"The so-called Big Bang theory and the Evolution theory are indeed lies from hell" ok, now all you have to do is support your claim; can you do that?
"It is rare that you see someone standing up for God" I am not sure about that, after all, these people meet all the time in places like Churches; they've infiltrated our government and hijacked our money and our Pledge of Allegiance; they're fighting against good science all the time, all in the name of your god (stem cell research)... I mean, I really don't know what it is that you're talking about.
DvG: How can you be sure they are lies??? Please back this with actual evidence! Now as for the whole devil issue...non-believers don't believe in your god, what makes you think we believe in his arch enemy or hell?? What evidence do you have to support the existence of any of this???
You obviously have no idea as to what is involved in science or you simply don't care that what you spew is true. The bible is not the only resource book available in this world, try a science book or does reality scare you that much??
Next thing you know they'll be trying to tell us the earth is round, and that it's not the will of God that keeps us on the ground but some devil's spell called gravity, and that the sun doesn't rotate around the earth, even though we can see it does! You tell 'em brother – we must make our stand against the rational heathen hordes!
davidvsgoliath....have you actually ever read the Bible? or are you just listening to the preacher?Just curious.
Can I buy drugs from you? Because you have to be high to believe all this science is of the "devil"... Well here is a little something called "simple logic". If all this rhetoric is of Lucifer and "God" made Lucifer then wouldn't God be responsible for all of this? But wait!! God is Good and everything "He" made was "Good" right? So isn't science Good? Oh and for all you "doubters of evolution" two words FLU VIRUS... Try not to drool so much when you guys think....
9000 years or 4.5 billion, whats the margin of error? Some scientist. It's astounding who we are sending to congress.
I dont care. He has a right to believe what he wants. It doesn't mean i have to think like he does. We still have that freedom dont we?
If he was just some crackpot sitting on a porch in Georgia, there would be no problem. This lunatic is in Congress!
No one is saying he can't hold his beliefs. They're just saying he can't hold those beliefs and also hold a position of authority in office.
Try looking at it this way. Let's say he instead said that he doesn't believe in gravity. He is perfectly allowed to hold that belief but since it's not going to get me to support him in office.
The Honey Boo Boo family is from Georgia and it is now obvious that compared to this clown, they are considered "intellectuals" by their fellow citizens.
Get this man the f*** out of office.
"Broun, a medical doctor by training..." That's just laughable.
Unfortunately, I believe he is running unopposed. Of course, that also says something about his district.
Another imbecile doctor voicing his idiotic opinion. Orly Taitz (founder of the birther movement) is also a doctor (dentist), proving that imbeciles do become ordained by academia.
A lie from the pit of hell. LOL
Doctors are truly full of themselves. Being one, I know. I come into contact with them all the time. There is no more arrogant group of people. A good friend of mine said the following:
"The fool hurts others because he is ignorant. The educated man hurts people because he is arrogant" – Lord Snarebottom
He is absolutely correct.
Having a doctorate degree does NOT make you a Dr., fool!! He's an MD....you are a wanna be. Get over yourself...
"Having a doctorate degree does NOT make you a Dr"
Yes, it does, hypocrite.
When confronted with evidence and logic.Any theist in a debate crumbles into obscurity.I rest my case Seethroughu.
Yep him and Alec the 1 percenter make a good team. Both dumb as a sack of hair.
Jesse Ventura said it the best – "Relligion is for weak minds."
For these people ask yourself this, how much has your belief helped others who don’t share your same belief since religion took over government? That’s right; we had government before we have belief in god. Remember BC? A lot happen during that time that helped all mankind. If all books and history scrolls won’t burn by extremists we would all have been able to read about how advanced people were during BC.
Belief in religions creates segregation and if forces people to close their minds to other ideologies. You can get your strength from god without closing your mind from the rest of the people in the world that he created. We need to use religion in ways that doesn’t keep creating conflicts with others. God created evolution and we must comply with the laws he sets before us. It’s time to burn some more books again! This time we must burn the ones that create segregation and keeps our minds closed. We have to let our security blanks go people! God is pushing us along the road of his evolution.
@Tom, I am not sure what you are referring to when you say BC.. Before Christ?
I may be wrong, but I though we has switched from BC to BCE (before the common era).
what is Alec doing in a picture with this fanatic?
Yep he's a good ole boy from the south where in breeding leads to stupidity. If it was not for evolution we would still be in a cave freezing for lack of fire. How dumb can these people be.
No one can say for certain whether the Bible means a literal 24 hour period and the earth was created in 6 days as we know it or not. Because to God, there is no such thing as time. What I can tell you is that it it better to have faith and to believe in something than to believe in nothing at all. I'd rather think that I could go to heaven because I believed in God and find out after I die that nothing happens, instead of believing in nothing and finding out after I die that GOD IS REAL and I am doomed to the pits of hell.
There is plenty of evidence for man to believe that a god exists, just as there is plenty of evidence that the earth is older than 6,000 – 10,000 years. Its funny that people can dedicate their lives to proving that the Big Bang Theory does/does not exist but when it comes to religion, they will throw that away, even though the evidence is stronger that there is a God and His son was on this earth! Eye-witness accounts, both religious and non religious, account for Christ being on earth. Just saying!
So I think in retrospect, both scientists and religious scholars are correct in their theories...combine them together and the universe could probably open up a vast number of doors.
When you say there is "proof" of a god, what proof is that? Eye-witness accounts recorded in a text that is 2000 years old? And that seems to be a very Judeo-Christian centered view. Isn't the Koran based on "eye-witness accounts?" So shouldn't we all be worshiping Mohammed instead of Christ, since he came AFTER Christ and is the most 'recent' prophet?
I don't doubt that there was a man named Jesus of Nazareth who existed; however, saying that just because it was written in a book that he was the son of god does not make it the truth. Nor do "eye-witness accounts" lend it any credence–you can get a group of people to say anything if it is in their best interests to attempt to lend credence to a story...
Crazy talk, Brad...
"What I can tell you is that it it better to have faith and to believe in something than to believe in nothing at all." but of course people believe in all sorts of things, and religious belief is unnecessary. On your second point, you're proposing the so called Pascal's Wager (look it up). Do you think that your omniscient god wouldn't know whether you believe just-in-case?
The bible has been shown to contain plenty unreliable and contradictory statements/accounts. The bible (and I think you're only talking about the NT) is just a book that contains a number of fantastic stories mixed in with some historical truths. Much of what you consider true from the bible, is probably much less true than you might believe, if you did some research.
There is no evidence for the existence of a god and there is no good reason to believe in the existence of a god.
"There is plenty of evidence for man to believe that a god exists"
No, there is none.
You want to discredit me, except you say yourself you believe there was a Jesus of Nazereth. How do you know there was a Jesus of Nazereth...because there is writing to suggest such a man lived 2,000 years ago??? So you can believe that but not believe the accounts of His life??? You make no sense! Please think before you write.
Give it up. The bible is just a bunch of stories written by primitive man. The evidence that it was a product of primitive man (and not god) is even more convincing than the traditional christian story. I find it amusing that so many men that followed found it necessary to re-interpret the bible every time science advances. Now you want 24 hours to mean something else. Give it up. The bible has some man's words of wisdom in it. (Yes, some people had wisdom in those days, too.) But, frankly, I find the same or better words of wisdom in some of the more modern books such as "The New Earth" by Eckhardt Tolle or "The Book of Secrets" by Osho. Wisdom that speaks of love, kindness, the transcendent soul, being "saved" by enlightenment - is not confined to the more primitive bible. It's just that, from birth, some people have been implanted with the notion that they will burn in hell for eternity if they don't beleive and accept Jesus as the lord and savior. That's some incentive!!!! Fear is a great motivator. But the irony is that fear prevents one from seeing the truth.
its always great to have people who don't believe in anything, try to push that concept on me. So who is doing the pushing now??? You people tend to believe in the big bang theory or some other THEORY (theory people...means it cannot be completely factual because all the information is either missing or just can't be proven), rather than have faith is something bigger than what happens in the world. There is a vast universe out there and you want me to believe it just exists...for no purpose whatsoever??? What kind of dumb thinking is that!
Indoctrination complete in you.Someone did a good job.
@Brad, accepting that an individual that went by the name of Jesus lived some 2000 years ago isn't contradictory to not accepting that he was the son of a god; he was born from a virgin (yeah, ok); he performed miracles and so on.
What kind of an arrogant fool believes that an omniscient being cares about their pitiful existence?
You're pathetic, Brad. You talk about thinking. How ironic, because belief requires no thought.
Brad: search "The God Helmet" on YouTube. Watch ALL of the videos on it (not just a few short ones - go deeply into it). Then ask yourself if you really know the truth.
@No Theism: We know that a virgin can have a child.
SCIENCE makes it possible.
The concept of a universe evolving for no reason at all, baffles Brad. But an invisible god existing for eternity and presiding over this violent chaos called existence? He's comfortable with that!
I'd rather think that I could go to heaven because I believed in God and find out after I die that nothing happens, instead of believing in nothing and finding out after I die that GOD IS REAL and I am doomed to the pits of hell.
Looks like religion worked on you.God loves everyone, unless they don't worship him.Then they are doomed to the pits of hell.Religion is used as a scare tactic to try to control people.Your statement above is a prime example.
@Doctor of Science, was it possible during the bronze age? You think they could artificially inseminate a woman, wait the correct amount of time, and then perform a c-section?
Cmon, you're grasping at straws.
Give it up guys and gals. Brad comes across as a "born again", probably more than once. This means his belief system does not go beyond that which is written in the bible and the dogma of the christian religion, any other knowledge is not important in that type of mind.
Brad, you have no idea if living with belief is better than living without it, because you have never lived free of indoctrination. Letting go of religious nonsense is incredibly freeing and those who do it have an opportunity to see themselves, their lives, the world, and the universe clearly for the first time. You are imagining it as nihilism but it is actually beautiful, empowering, and freeing to be grounded in reality and free of the oppression, fear, and false satisfaction that religion brings.
Brad....don't pay attention to "Doctor of Science".....he says that anyone is "arrogant" to believe in God, yet he tries to impress us with his "doctorate" degree in science and resort to immature name-calling. He's very believable, isn't he?
@No Theism: "was it possible during the bronze age?"
Absolutely. Did the science exist here at that time? Of course not. In order to find the right answer, you must ask the right question. Unless you believe we are alone in the universe, then the possibility that an alien, or a group of aliens have visited this planet in ancient times exists, however far fetched it might seem to some. It is quite possible that an alien capable of interstellar travel would have the technology available to enable a virgin pregnancy.
I am not saying that any of this happened, by it is not beyond the realm of possibility.
They admitted they were "lying for god".
@mary and we should be impressed by your lack of reading comprehension?
Name calling? Please, child, do enlighten us.
@Doctor of Science, of course, if we're talking about science fiction or IMPROBABILITY, I agree with you.
However, the idea is that the "virgin" birth was a miracle. Aliens doing it would not be miracles, nor are aliens talked about in scripture. You're changing the context of the what I was talking about and that is not proper.
I don't care how great your imagination is, I'm arguing about the non-existence of a god and none of your points are pertinent.
"I don't care how great your imagination is, I'm arguing about the non-existence of a god and none of your points are pertinent."
You are clearly as full of yourself, as Brad is (and myself).
Let's all beat our chests and do a Tarzan yell! You should take it down a notch, mate.
@Doctor of Science, if you can't discuss about these things, that's not my concern; if you can't take criticism, that's not my concern; and, it certainly isn't my concern whether you think I'm full of myself or otherwise (particularly because you haven't properly supported your claim).
I'm done wasting my time with this.
@Brad – Far too many times has the difference between THEORY and HYPOTHESIS been explained in detail. Gravity is "only a theory" but will you test it by jumping off the Sears Tower? Do you accept that Gravity is real? The universe is not steady state, it is constantly changing, expanding, stars being born, stars dying. Working backwards from our present state shows that galaxies expanded from a single point in space and time, hence the Big Bang. But even that name is a misnomer for it was not an explosion, per se, but a rapid expansion of space and time. But seriously, Dude ... try to grasp the true meaning and definition of a Scientific Theory ... just this once ... it may prove to be a true epiphany.
Wow...this guy's a DOCTOR and a CONGRESSMAN....and still holds these ideas? AND he's on a Congressional Science and Technology Committee???
It's incredible how smart and dumb some people can be. And he's in public office. This might be some kond of fiction. I can't believe what I am reading.
This is the insanity that happens when you let the religious right take over your party (GOP) for two decades. Wacka Wacka Wacka
Believe it.Some people had a such a strong indoctrination that they are too "made" to believe anything else.They also fear death.They also want their enemies to burn.
Agree. Don't know when he's up for re-election, but the Dems better get in gear so they can throw him out of office. He's exactly why there's separation between church and state.
Orly Taitz, founder of the birther movement, is also a Doctor (dentist).
You can graduate stupid, but you can't fix it.
Don't even bother trying to debate with a Jesus freak. They are wacked. Its okay. The time will come when they too will evolve and their religious experience will fade in some godless catastrophy around them, probably involving blood and gore or starvation or disease - a moment when they realize that their god is not going to save them. You see, people like that believe that New Orleans was destroyed in a storm at god's bidding because it was a city of sin. Then they somehow ignore the tornadoes that rip through the bible belt of America toppling churches all over the place. When it hits them personally - when they see their children dying - when they see carnage all around - when they see the most devote christians beseiged by "god" (nature) - they lose it. Because their religion is nothing more than bargaining with god. If I am good, if I believe in Jesus, he will save me.
Actually, your account of what a Christian is, is a false respresentation. As A Christian, to be saved is not to go through hard trials and such on earth, but it is for our souls to be saved from hell.
Now I do believe some Christians take a more radical approach to some ideas, such as earth only being 9,000 years old, but I believe the earth and people in it were created for a reason. If there is no reason, then why do humans have so many feelings and emotions about the smallest things. No other animal can show these signs! Its because there is a reason!
Hey Brad, Your tiptoeing around the evidence against your philosophy.How can you ignore it?
Even just one fossil disproves it.by the way.Where did Cains wife come from?
Another creation down the road?
Brad has many questions. All of his questions are answered in his comic book, so he believes the characters portrayed in it are real. He is as a child, believing that the tooth fairy leaves money under his pillow, or that Santa Claus comes down the chimney to bring him toys.
Brad doesn't even know his own cult. St. Paul said only the saved had eternal life. He said nothing about hell, and Jesus said nothing about hell. He believes the crap he has heard, and never looked for himself.
Bronze age ignorance. There is zero evidence that Jesus even existed. There is ancillary evidence there was no such person, but rather the notion was taken from a group of ancient stories. There are several individuals who fit the Jesus myth in deeds, ancestry and geography.
This Religous furver is uniquely American . The rest of the 1st world countries have athiesm rates running 20-60% in general population, where in the US it's 15%. Also note that as education increases, belief in these religous fables decrease as well. Some 70% members of the National Science Committee are athests, where as in the prison population it's like 1%. That tells it all.
And there is active positive evidence that the concept of "pious fraud" was acceptable to the Church Fathers. So nothing can be trusted.
"Fluffy the Gerbil of Doom"
Best name EVER!
Rodents rule ! :)
All religion comes straight from hell...as evolution will clearly tell.
If you believe in creationism then you are a supporter of incest can't have one without the other. Two people do not a human race make without incest, which of course would condoned by God.
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