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October 10th, 2012
12:01 PM ET

Congressman draws fire for calling evolution, Big Bang ‘lies from the pit of hell’

By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor

Washington (CNN) – A U.S. congressman is attracting attention and criticism for an online video that shows him blasting evolution and the Big Bang theory as “lies from the pit of hell” in a recent speech at a church event in his home state of Georgia.

“All that stuff I was taught about evolution, embryology, the Big Bang theory, all that is lies straight from the pit of hell,” U.S Rep. Paul Broun said in an address last month at a banquet organized by Liberty Baptist Church in Hartwell, Georgia. “And it’s lies to try to keep me and all the folks who were taught that from understanding that they need a savior.”

Broun, a medical doctor by training, serves on the House Committee on Science, Space and Technology.

Speaking at Liberty Baptist Church’s Sportsman’s Banquet on September 27, he said that “a lot of scientific data that I’ve found out as a scientist that actually show that this is really a young Earth.”

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“I don’t believe that the Earth’s but about 9,000 years old,” Broun said in the speech, which Liberty Baptist Church posted on its website via YouTube.  “I believe it was created in six days as we know them. That’s what the Bible says."

Scientists say that the Earth is roughly 4.5 billion years old and that the universe dates back 13.7 billion years.

In his speech to the church group, Broun called the Bible the “the manufacturer’s handbook. … It teaches us how to run all of public policy and everything in our society.”

“That’s the reason, as your congressman, I hold the holy Bible as being the major directions to me of how I vote in Washington, D.C., and I’ll continue to do that,” he said.

A spokeswoman for the congressman, Meredith Griffanti, said that Broun was not available for comment on Wednesday and that the video showed him “speaking off the record to a large church group about his personal beliefs regarding religious issues.”

The congressman’s remarks about science have drawn attention online, with critics taking aim at his role on the science committee.

Bill Nye, the popular science personality, told the Huffington Post in an e-mail that "Since the economic future of the United States depends on our tradition of technological innovation, Representative Broun's views are not in the national interest."

"For example, the Earth is simply not 9,000 years old," said Nye, a mechanical engineer and television personality best known for his program "Bill Nye the Science Guy." Broun "is, by any measure, unqualified to make decisions about science, space, and technology."

Talking Points Memo reported on the church video over the weekend after being tipped off by the Bridge Project, a progressive group that tracks conservative activity.

Most creationists believe in the account of the origins of the world as told in the Book of Genesis, the first book of the Bible.

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In the creation account, God creates Adam and Eve, the world and everything in it in six days.

For Christians who read the Genesis account literally, or authoritatively as they would say, the six days in the account are literal 24-hour periods and leave no room for evolution.  Young Earth creationists use this construct and biblical genealogies to determine the age of the Earth and typically come up with 6,000 to 10,000 years.

The Gallup Poll has been tracking Americans' views on creation and evolution for 30 years.  In June, it released its latest findings, which showed that 46% of Americans believed in creationism, 32% believed in evolution guided by God, and 15% believed in atheistic evolution.

– CNN's Eric Marrapodi contributed to this report.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Bible • Christianity • Evolution • Politics • Science

soundoff (5,886 Responses)
  1. OMG

    Broun is running against nobody, and nobody is the better choice by far. Georgia could prove they have gotten past the Mesozoic Era by electing nobody instead, like Missouri did when it elected a corpse instead of John Ashcroft in 2000.

    October 11, 2012 at 6:49 pm |
  2. Go for it, Brouny!

    If you do just the tiniest bit of googling, you will find that Broun is a birther, a Tea Party whack-job with a long history of making wild, ridiculous, mentally-unstable assertions that have become all-too-common on the extreme right.

    The good news is that the Tea Party is now far more effective at alienating people than recruiting them, and personally I hope Broun keeps on sharing his "opinions".

    October 11, 2012 at 6:42 pm |
  3. Reality

    For evidence/proof of human evolution, look no further than the color of human skin. When the first humans moved from Africa some 60,000 years ago, their skin was dark. As they moved to colder regions that had less Sun exposure, human skin became lighter and lighter.

    e.g. http://www.bgsu.edu/departments/chem/.../Jablonski_skin_color_2000.pdf

    October 11, 2012 at 6:38 pm |
    • Answer

      Religious morons will reply likely like this: "no .. it is just a theory."

      They need to be special. They want the special status.

      October 11, 2012 at 6:39 pm |
    • Human be aware of hindu filthy dog's of hindu Atheism, self center ism , DENIAL OF TRUTH ABSOLUTE GOD.

      Migration was from Egypt to Europe and Africa, color of skin changed because of environment and food in take, rest of it is your argument is hinduism, hog wash. Do some studies before spewing your hinduism, absurdities,

      October 11, 2012 at 8:20 pm |
    • AvdBergism source of filthyRanierBraendleinism

      NO MATTER WHAT EITHER SAY, ALLAH IS STILL ZERO. AND NO DOGS!

      October 11, 2012 at 8:33 pm |
  4. Reality

    Akin now Broun!! Where in the H did these guys go to school??

    For said Rep. Broun:

    As per National Geographic's Genographic project:

    https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/

    " DNA studies suggest that all humans today descend from a group of African ancestors who about 60,000 years ago began a remarkable JOURNEY. Follow the journey from them to you as written in your genes”.

    "Adam" is the common male ancestor of every living man. He lived in Africa some 60,000 years ago, which means that all humans lived in Africa at least at that time.

    Unlike his Biblical namesake, this Adam was not the only man alive in his era. Rather, he is unique because his descendents are the only ones to survive.

    It is important to note that Adam does not literally represent the first human. He is the coalescence point of all the genetic diversity."

    Part of the project: $199 and a DNA swab:

    "Included in the markers we will test for is a subset that scientists have recently determined to be from our hominin cousins, Neanderthals and the newly discovered Denisovans, who split from our lineage around 500,000 years ago. As modern humans were first migrating out of Africa more than 60,000 years ago, Neanderthals and Denisovans were still alive and well in Eurasia. It seems that our ancestors met, leaving a small genetic trace of these ancient relatives in our DNA. With Geno 2.0, you will learn if you have any Neanderthal or Denisovan DNA in your genome."

    Do doubt Akin and Broun will find substantial Neanderthal markers in their DNA!!!
    ==========================================================================================

    October 11, 2012 at 6:29 pm |
  5. T_Rat

    It there any wonder why this country is going down the tubes; rational thought is becoming a lost skill. Will reason eventually go the way of so many dead languages, only to be referred to in encyclopedias and history goods (or should I say evangelical pamphlets or creationist propaganda).

    October 11, 2012 at 6:10 pm |
  6. A Magyar

    We can laugh about it, the sad thing is , he is a congress man, and getting payed to be an idiot...

    October 11, 2012 at 6:06 pm |
  7. T_Rat

    Beam me up Scotty, only 15% of this planet are intelligent, there rest are wallowing in a shared delusion.

    October 11, 2012 at 6:04 pm |
  8. jake

    Frightening that people like this are out there

    October 11, 2012 at 6:02 pm |
  9. Anon

    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35TbGjt-weA&w=640&h=390]

    October 11, 2012 at 5:59 pm |
    • Concerned Citizen

      This is one of my all time favorite moments in Futurama, only because it mirrors how I feel everytime I read an article like this.

      October 11, 2012 at 6:24 pm |
  10. Hostile Pentecostal

    Yesterday my photographer daughter had a young lady and her mother come into her studio for senior portraits. The stylist ran a brush (with her permission) through the girls hair. The girl started screaming & crying uncontrollably and her mother took her out of the studio while yelling at the stylist for brushing her hair. No, the girl was not mentally I'll (in the usual sense) she was Pentecostal. Just a graphic example of where religious indoctrination can lead, unreasonable fear reaction.

    October 11, 2012 at 5:47 pm |
  11. Ryan H.

    only 15% of Americans believe in actual real evolution?

    my day is ruined now. I'm depressed. How can people be so dumb. Maybe I should move to a civilized nation like Sweden or Germany. Sometimes it is hard to be proud to be an American.

    October 11, 2012 at 5:15 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @Ryan H.

      It really is sad and dispiriting that even with those science classes in high school the dogmatic demagogues still have it their way.

      October 11, 2012 at 5:34 pm |
    • fred

      The theory of evolution is supported yet taking that theory out of its scientific framework and creating a philosophy of life as to why we exist is beyond science and beyond believability.

      October 11, 2012 at 5:38 pm |
    • Lilith

      Fred, not sure who creates a philosophy of life as to WHY we exist from evolution. But on that same note doesn't it seem even more incredibly absurd that people would create a philosophy of life from a story that doesn't even have a theory or evidence to back it up?!

      October 11, 2012 at 5:53 pm |
    • The Truth

      fred – atheism is not a "philosophy of life". It is simply the rejection of your "philosophy of life ". An atheist can pick and choose from any number of life philiosophies as being an atheist is to have removed the obstruction of having to please deities to make you feel whole. Once the onerous diety is removed one can see life for what it really is and see how precious our time on this planet is and whether you use your time wisely by enjoying every moment loving those around you and being with people who cause you joy and causing joy for others is up to you.

      October 11, 2012 at 6:01 pm |
    • fred

      Lilith
      It makes perfect sense to follow the path of our ancestors regardless of evidence, if we are simply evolved animals. Elephants rely on the old one to find water paths or birds that migrate simply out of habit or a salmon that finds its way upstream. It has been 2,000 years now and we still follow the core western world view which is basically Judeo Christian.
      Now, the atheist would suggest we dump all God related values and put the new atheist agenda in place. That agenda is based on naturalism without absolute morals or right and wrong. Yep, nice experiment on real people. Stalin wanted a godless world also and that did not work out. China is now opening its doors to religion beyond state sponsored formats. North Korea tossed out religion now their President is god. Hummmm does not look good doing it your way.

      October 11, 2012 at 6:08 pm |
    • fred

      The Truth
      Your view of God that holds you down is the error. If that view reflected God then I would reject that God also. The life you describe is one that God would have for you. All you have done is remove Christ from your belief and taken what you found good for you. You and your desires are now the center of your life. Not that long ago you would be considered self centered. Now free of any greater outside authority you are the king and bow to no one. That was the story in the Garden of Eden and the cause of the most beautiful of angelic being to become Satan. Glad that Bible is just a myth so we can pursue our selves instead of Christ.

      October 11, 2012 at 6:19 pm |
    • Spencer

      fred: You are making the argument that morals come only come from religion.... and that's just not true. Humans are social creatures and those social pressures define what morals the people within have.

      So, Not believing in a god neither makes one immoral nor causes societies to become amoral.

      October 11, 2012 at 6:20 pm |
    • The Justice

      @fred
      I think you mat have missed the truth's point. An atheist/agnostic has the luxury of not being tied down to a particular religion or set of dogma but can take nuggets of wisdom from the many. Chosing love thy neighbour from one or the paths to fufillment in another, while rejecting the everlasting agony of hell is a great choice to have. Not needing a God to tell you what to do or think is the greatest freedom of all.

      October 11, 2012 at 6:24 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @fred,

      this is silly: "Now, the atheist would suggest we dump all God related values and put the new atheist agenda in place. That agenda is based on naturalism without absolute morals or right and wrong."

      There are no God-related values. There are human values. From those human values (which are just as true for believers as atheists) people fabricate religions. If your faith sustains you, great. I have no issues with that. We all agree that killing stealing and lying are wrong and do not require burning bushes or graven tablets to establish credibility.

      We had a discussion yesterday on absolute values. I believe I explictly demonstrated that the morals of Christians are (as with all morals) in fact relative. They change with time and culture.

      You said: "We still follow the core western world view which is basically Judeo Christian."

      The 'western world view' predates the Jews. It goes back to the fertile cresent. Doubtless you recall several Bible verses along the lines of "Eye for eye, tooth for tooth". This notion definitively exists in the Code of Hammurabi from 1772 BC in ancient Mesopotamia – around the time of Abraham, give or take a century – and presumably existed before this time. Note that Abraham is from Ur.

      The Code Of Hammurabi also includes ideas such as the presumption of innocence, and suggests requirements for evidence. This is where our traditions begin.

      October 11, 2012 at 6:27 pm |
    • Lilith

      fred, as Spencer & thousands of other have stated here, moral do NOT come from religion. With that obvious truth being said, following our ancestors is a natural act however even in the last 2k years there have been many "ancestors" to follow, which is the right one?
      Atheists do not suggest dumping "values", we suggest having values of substance .. a value based on fear of eternal punishment is of no value at all.
      Stalin was educated and raised to adulthood an Orthodox Christian, his "values" were embedded long before he broke his religious indoctrination. I place credit for Stalin's "values" squarely on his Christian upbringing – very inquistion like.
      But I understand, you're in too deep to break free and can't comprehend that Atheism is simply not believing in any Gods.

      October 11, 2012 at 6:36 pm |
    • Answer

      Fred's delusion is simply like this: "if you deny my salvation then you are denying yours."

      It is always his motto. He can't accept his pitiful wasted life in front of him and wants others to support his pathetic state of ignorance.

      October 11, 2012 at 6:42 pm |
    • fred

      Spencer
      Based on the Greeks you are correct in that morals can be regional springing from the minds of men as demonstrated by the pederasty of the Greeks. Morality and immorality for the Greeks swept the region as did the hate towards the Jew in the region of Germany so we have lots of examples. Both regions had the delusion of being in the right. Now, in the absence of an accepted higher authority of right or wrong outside of the region who is to say anything is right or wrong?

      October 11, 2012 at 6:45 pm |
    • The Justice

      @fred
      Yet another christian apologist canard that atheist dictators are/were so much worse than christian or pagan leaders who had the seame goals. Dominance and the quest for power, ruling the world has been a goal chased by many ie, Alexander the Great, Gengish Khan, Napolean, Hitler, Ivan the Terrible, some as atheists and some with the cross of jesus going on before. If you were fair with your view of history you would see that the religion of the conquerors was just a footnote, including the christian lot the wiped out 85% of the America's aboriginals.

      October 11, 2012 at 6:51 pm |
    • Peter

      "hate towards the Jew in the region of Germany so we have lots of examples. Both regions had the delusion of being in the right. Now, in the absence of an accepted higher authority of right or wrong outside of the region who is to say anything is right or wrong?"

      Hitler believed in a higher power so your theory doesn't work.

      October 11, 2012 at 6:52 pm |
    • Spencer

      fred: it falls to the individual society, that's who. Just because something feels right to you does not mean that it is right for everyone. The society you live in has determined what is moral and what is not to you. However it does not determine what is right or moral for another society.

      October 11, 2012 at 6:58 pm |
    • fred

      The Justice
      That is in conflict with what Christ says and I maintain that if someone can show me something Christ said that is not truth I would consider reverting to an agnostic life style. Christ maintained that true freedom comes when you abandon self and give your life to God. When this happens my personal experience is that your life becomes one of a peace that transcends all understanding. I am not a monk yet possessions are not important and I have zero anxiety about the trouble that always is part of simply living. My freedom is confidence that God said all things work to the good of those who believe in Christ. All the good things and bad things that come my way I give thanks knowing somehow it is for my own good and the good of others. Ok, I have my bad days………..but they are far and few between.
      God does not "tell" me what to do I simply have the sense I am doing what is Gods will.

      October 11, 2012 at 6:59 pm |
    • The Justice

      @fred
      I forgot to add, many of the dictators such as Hitler, Stalin, Castro, etc, used the religion of the populace to help control the people untill they gain enough power to not need the power of religion anymore, at that point they attack the religion. Religion can be used as a pawn in the game of the power mad. The Spanish Inquisition is also a case in point, not only the religious heretics but the enemies of the state were burned at the stake, handy tool for the aristocracy.

      October 11, 2012 at 7:06 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @The Justice,

      particularly the facists. Franco and Mussolini leveraged Catholicism. Franco made Catholicism the state religion. Hitler certainly leveraged both Lutheran and Catholic traditions in Germany to the extent that "Gott mit uns" (God with us) remained on the uniform buttons of the Wehrmacht.

      All these religionists always forget about Franco and Mussolini. OK, their total corpse count was less but their methods were no differnt.

      October 11, 2012 at 7:16 pm |
    • Spencer

      fred: your life experiences and what you feel to be true are none but your own. There are some Seven Billion people on this tiny rock floating through the incomprehensible vastness of space. it would be a bit presumptuous to say that what you feel is true and moral is what everyone else should feel is true and moral.

      October 11, 2012 at 7:17 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      And everyone forgets the good Catholic King Leopold II of Belgium who killed 8,000,000 people in the Belgian Congo up to 1912.

      Or the young Turks and the Armenian Genocide. There's a long list.

      October 11, 2012 at 7:18 pm |
    • fred

      GOPer
      Lilith
      According to the Bible the ways of God go back to Adam and Eve and if we assume this is reference to the first modern man then the morals that appear to come from the Code of Hammurabi or Moses would be similar. I would agree that countless religions have come and gone with different sets of moral codes and this is confirmed in the Bible. I also agree that the concept of hell or threat of hell will never work as a method to bring about good. This does not change the need or existence of absolutes for right and wrong.
      God enters the picture because when two people disagree on what is good both must accept a higher authority to resolve the issue or each will walk their own way and both cannot be right at the same time. When two people or two regions do not accept the same authority there is conflict. This does not matter if it is atheist and atheist, atheist and Christian or Jew and Muslim.
      Back to the garden of Eden there was the choice between absolute good and that tree of good and evil. Nothing has changed since we made the choice to reject absolute good. My argument is that absolute good is better than good and evil based on all known history of mankind. God is right not because I am delusional but because history has proven Gods ways are good.

      October 11, 2012 at 7:27 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      So apparently to fred, "Obey or else" is the absolute good. Or is it ignorance? Either one will apply.

      October 11, 2012 at 7:30 pm |
    • fred

      Spencer
      You are right it took a personal experience with God for me to change the way my life was heading. I did not bring that about it was God getting my attention. I believe God will get everyones attention that can benefit from it. I believe that I can clearly see what God requires and have run up against other Christians that also believe yet clearly are off track. In that case we always discover the same truth when reaching for the Bible.

      October 11, 2012 at 7:37 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @fred,

      the tree of the knowledge of good and evil is allegorical. It is myth with a purpose to explain 1. morality and 2. the subservience of women to men; to bronze age people.

      God says "don't eat from the fruit of the tree" because I said so. Eve, then Adam (not knowing evil, having not yet eaten the fruit) eat the fruit (ie: learn good from evil). God jumps out from behind the tree and says "Gottcha".

      Again, this is allegory. I do respect your faith, but I do not accept this story as even containing essential 'truths' let alone being literally true. It is not part of the tradition of countless non-western cultures that have established their own moral codes with zero exposure to centuries old myths about 'trees of knowlege' or talking serpents or bushes.

      October 11, 2012 at 7:38 pm |
    • fred

      GOPer
      In the story of Cain and Able we see that a core knowledge of the ways of God are known by the children of Adam of and Eve. We also know that God hung out with Adam in the Garden for an unknown period of time prior to Eve. This moral code was passed on.
      The tree of life was in the center of Garden and clearly the entire garden was there for man who was made in the image of God. Eve was made from Adam and there was perfect harmony as one would expect under absolute moral goodness. Do not touch or take anything into your mind or body from that tree it is not of absolute goodness. You will surly die. Eve wanted to be like God rather than accept the gifts God offered. This is what brought the downfall of Lucifer as well.
      The role change of man over woman with woman demanding independence and authority over man was a result of breaking from absolute goodness. A new order for life was required between man and woman because of this knowledge. It was not to hold the woman down as you say. God makes it clear we are equal in the eyes of God. The role of a wife and husband is a model for the role of Christ over man not a whip of abuse.

      October 11, 2012 at 8:30 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @GOPer

      Isn't it hilarious that fred will run from multiple other threads after his tangents have been pointed out, then does the same thing? Some would think that fred is just a poe, or perhaps just that dishonest. Which do you think?

      October 11, 2012 at 8:32 pm |
    • fred

      hawaiiguest
      Yes, being in the presence of God is better than rejecting God. How nice that God gives clear instructions.

      October 11, 2012 at 8:37 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Clear instructions? Would you follow the instructions of a 2000-year-old book on how to perform surgery? Yeah, you probably would, fred.

      October 11, 2012 at 8:40 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @fred,

      ". We also know that God hung out with Adam in the Garden for an unknown period of time prior to Eve."

      Huh? How's that square with this:

      Genesis 1
      24 And God said, “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: the livestock, the creatures that move along the ground, and the wild animals, each according to its kind.” And it was so.
      25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.
      26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”
      27 So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.
      28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”
      29 Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.
      30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was so.
      31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.

      Men and women, created together on the sixth day (verse 27). By the way, I'm OK if you tell me a "day" is some number of millions of years, but the Genesis 1 sequence does not match Genesis 2.

      In fact they read like two entirely different stories. I wonder why that is?

      October 11, 2012 at 8:42 pm |
    • truth be told

      Without that book and applied prayer there would be no surgery.

      October 11, 2012 at 8:42 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @fred

      Good job not addressing what I typed you dishonest fuck. Go run away like a baby again fred, that's the only thing you're good at.

      October 11, 2012 at 8:45 pm |
    • truth be told

      Without that book and prayer there would be no surgery

      October 11, 2012 at 8:46 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @hawaiiguest

      I am quite convinced that @fred is neither dishonest nor a Poe. I believe @fred is quite genuine.

      I do respect both his faith and the conviction he demonstrates by continuing to engage with us here.

      October 11, 2012 at 8:46 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Turd Be Tooled, you are such a friggin' moron.

      October 11, 2012 at 8:48 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @GOPer

      There is where you and I will disagree. I do not have respect for beliefs such as freds, nor do I respect his willingness to be intentionally dishonest by using the same refuted arguments over and over again, as well as not addressing the underlying issue that people bring up (gods existence) by leaving the threads or ignoring the person once it's asked.

      October 11, 2012 at 8:49 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      Since @fred brought up Genesis 2, in a discussion on relative morality I thought I'd drop this post, particularly since @krhodes enjoys it so much.

      The sequences are:

      Genesis Chapter 1
      ---------
      – Beginning: Heavens and earth, darkness and waters
      – 'Day' 1: Light! night and day
      – 'Day' 2: Waters in the sky (atmosphere)
      – 'Day' 3: Dry land, plants
      – 'Day' 4: Sun, moon and stars
      – 'Day' 5: Sea creatures, birds
      – 'Day' 6: Land animals, Humans (male and female)
      – 'Day' 7: Miller time

      Genesis Chapter 2
      ---------
      – Man
      – Plants
      – Animals and birds
      – Woman

      Science
      ---------
      – Big bang (13.8BYA)
      – Star ignition (sun 4.57BYA)
      – Planetary accretion
      – Earth (4.54BYA)
      – Moon (4.53BYA)
      – Bombardment
      – Surface Water, toxic atmosphere
      – Simple vegetation
      – Oxygenated atmosphere
      – Aquatic life
      – Land animals
      – Birds
      – Mammals

      October 11, 2012 at 8:52 pm |
    • Snow

      "Without that book and applied prayer there would be no surgery"
      ah.. and without Genghis khan, there wouldn't be coco puffs either..

      .. ya.. your statement made just about the same amount of sense!

      October 11, 2012 at 8:59 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @hawaiiguest

      Respecting that someone has a deeply held belief is different to agreeing with it. I don't think he is being intentionally dishonest. I think @fred responds with exactly what he believes.

      Is he logical? No. He circles around without admitting anything even when he is directly disproved in any system of logic.

      I know it frustrates you but we're not dealing with logic here – we're dealing with faith. The same engine that drives US Rep. Paul Broun.

      Yesterday @fred told me that slavery was never right in God's eyes. He never responded to this:
      Leviticus 25:44
      "Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves."

      Prima facie biblical evidence in Mosaic Law that slavery was permitted by God, but no, @fred did not respond.

      October 11, 2012 at 9:01 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Haha to Snow. Turd be Tooled is so stupid it thinks surgery never occurred until after the bibble babble was written. What a dolt.

      October 11, 2012 at 9:04 pm |
    • Snow

      what does it take for people to understand the difference between atheism and communism? And what does it take for people to understand that christianity does not have monopoly on morality .. if anything the older religions like hinduism would take that standing..

      BTW, if you can understand the truth of that statement, you would understand what atheistic philosophy is all about. But if you simply scoff at it and say "bah you are wrong" then it is waste of other people's energy to even talk to you.

      October 11, 2012 at 9:06 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @GOPer

      One could respond with what he believes, yet still be dishonest in the portrayal of information, or the information given and received. I also wholly understand that you don't agree with his beliefs, and I know the difference between agreement and respect. What I was saying is that yes we both disagree with fred, but where we disagree is that you respect his beliefs and professions of faith, while I do not.
      I do not respect faith in the sense of religion at all. It is demonstrably harmful and counterproductive in determining truth. I feel that faith is not worthy of respect, neither is the dogmatic certainty and conviction that arises from believing that one has the answer to everything, especially when that answer (god) is a complete non-answer.

      October 11, 2012 at 9:27 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @snow,

      yep, that's why they're numbers 4 and 8 on my top ten (now thirteen) list of the most irritatingly stupid ‘arguments’ that religionists make here.

      4. Incomprehension that morality is a societal consensus of conscience; changing and pluralistic:
      eg: “Morals are God-given” Ummm, no, really, they’re not!

      8. Absurd attempts to conflate atheism with despotic dictators
      eg: ”Atheists have tortured and murdered more people in the last 100 years than were killed in all previous centuries” or slightly less inaccurately: “Atheists killed more than 100,000,000 people in the 20th century”
      The syllogism:
      – Communist despots ordered or failed to prevent the deaths of millions in the 20th century
      – Not believing in God is a tenet of communism
      – Therefore, atheists killed millions in the 20th century
      deliberately misrepresents atheism. It’s a post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy.

      October 11, 2012 at 9:34 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @hawaiiguest

      I understand.

      I think this stems from the fact that I know and love people who embrace what they see as gift of faith – like my parents. They don't proselytize and it gives them meaning.

      I have zero patience for the "believe or burn" crowd and am with you 100% there.

      With people who are willing to honestly state their opinions without judgment, I'll debate them – even if the result is circular and inconclusive. They will then at least see, if not digest or choose to comprehend; as cogent a rebuttal as I can muster.

      October 11, 2012 at 9:43 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Not a GOPer, I find yours to be an admirable position. My parents, too, were faithful Christians who walked the walk, but did not, as a rule, pass judgment or render a sentence on others. They were far too busy "doing" to spend time wishing others ill.

      October 11, 2012 at 9:48 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @hawaiiguest

      @fred most reliably vanishes when presented with a bible quote that contradicts his statements. That is frustrating indeed.

      October 11, 2012 at 9:49 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @TTTPS,

      I wasn't beyond telling my brother he was kidding himself after he stayed away from church for 20 years and then started dragging his children there (but only after he got a job as a elementary teacher at a parochical school).

      A bit of denial going on there I think!

      October 11, 2012 at 9:54 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Hah, NotaGOPer. Funny how that happens. I have no issue with those who have faith and live by their beliefs, as long as they don't demand that laws are enacted based on those beliefs. My biggest quibble is with those zealots who insist they "know" exactly what god is, how the universe and the earth were formed, what const itutes morality and from whence it comes, and what will happen to all who don't ascribe to their particular set of beliefs.

      I have no time for such morons. Khrodes, Turd be Tooled, and the rest of the imbeciles can go fvck themselves.

      October 11, 2012 at 10:01 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @TTTPS,

      @krhodes is exercising some restraint tonight. He's usually a moth to a candle with the Genesis 1 v. Genesis 2. post.

      Ever noticed how @tbt and @nope post within minutes of the prayer-bot? There's some folk who use web browers in a developer mode that show IP addresses. Someone posted that @DavidvsGoliath is your old pal @HS (p68).

      October 11, 2012 at 10:09 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Yanno, Nota, some of these folks have far too much time on their hands. If they were really busy with the work the god of their beliefs commands, they wouldn't have the time to sit down on their fat butts at all. They'd be so friggin' busy caring for the sick, ministering to the lonely, and housing the homeless that they'd barely have time to care for their OWN families. They're a bunch of sick hypocrites. They don't give a goldarn dam about the poor or the sick or the lonely, nor do they give a sh!t about the teenage unmarried mother, the divorced or widowed, the invalids, the mentally ill, or anyone else who isn't JUST LIKE THEM.

      They can go fvck themselves with a skillet, for all I care.

      October 11, 2012 at 10:22 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @GOPer

      And I respect your position.
      One thing I see though, is that any christian, almost irrespective of the denomination, believes in the teaching of believe or burn/be annihilated, whatever version of hell they ascribe to. They may not say it, but it is still a core tennet of the religion as a whole. It all boils down to belief over acts in the christian religion, which is why I have less respect for the belief than I do for most other religions.

      October 11, 2012 at 10:37 pm |
  12. Jesus is the most powerful figure known to mankind (Fact)

    Ok i challenge all atheist/non-believers to a simple small short mature intellectual debate. I claim that there is a GOD, Higher Power, Intelligent Designer/Engineer, and Creator. You claim that there isnt a Creator and everything is a coincidence. (If what i say about your claims are wrong please correct me) Here are the rules: No THEORIES and no BIBLE VERSES. Proven known facts ONLY, none requiring faith. I simply ask that you consider my facts as i will yours. I will provide 10 facts in defense to my claim and you can list as much as you will.
    1.The perfect unseen order of our solar system.
    2. The accurate and precise distance of our sun and it's perfect compatibility with our moon. Its unfailing rising and sustaining power.
    3. The engineering of the earth in every aspect.
    4. Nature, it's power, beauty, and contributions.
    5. Natural law.
    6. Creatures, all of their different abilities, bodies, and behaviors.
    7. The extraordinary and intelligently designed human body and mind.
    8. My user name. Jesus indeed had the most influence and biggest impact on this world than anyone in all of time.
    9. Due to how orderly and precise creation is, the chance of the big bang theory or coincidence happening is statistically 0. Scientists have come up with approximate numbers that far exceed the trillions, but these numbers are made up from their theories which is why i didnt paste the number. As of right now the chances of life forming from nothing is statistically 0.
    10. Time & Life (consciousness)
    Lets see if man can do the impossible by providing one fact proving the non-existence of a Creator.

    October 11, 2012 at 4:49 pm |
    • If horses had Gods .. their Gods would be horses

      I'll take a shot at a "debate" on your 10 "facts" .. here goes ..
      1. The solar system is not perfect. (it's opinion)
      2. That precise distance has measurably changed between Sun, Earth & Moon & is not perfect compatibility. (again opinion)
      3. Engineering? (anthropomorphization at best, opinion)
      4. Power is measurable the rest is opinion.
      5. Natural law? Do you mean physics?
      6. Verifiable natural selection/evolution.
      7. Extraordinary yes, intelligently designed? (opinion based on faith .. broke your own rule)
      8. An influential character of human antiquity yes, most influential? I'd say even your own Abraham was more influential. Most influential was likely the unknown inventor of the wheel or the 1st fire starter.
      9. To full of "faith" and "opinion" to be considered reasonably .. by your own rules again.
      10. Consciousness is a chemical reaction .. hence when the reaction ceases, consciousness is gone!
      Nothing you posted "proves" at all the existence of a God or deity of any kind.

      I have no "proof" of no God(s) ghosts, goblins, fairies, trolls or unicorns .. all I have is reason and probability. There is no "reason" to believe there is a God or Gods and it is infinitely improbable yours exists .. it is more probable that a Stegosaurus is orbiting Pluto at this moment, since both Stegs and Pluto have been proven to be real.

      -your turn.

      October 11, 2012 at 5:08 pm |
    • Superman is the most powerful figure known to mankind (Fact)

      evil exists

      October 11, 2012 at 5:10 pm |
    • Veritas

      Science explains from nanoseconds after the big bang including creation of the universe, creation of our solar system, origins of life on earth, evolution of species on earth. None of that requires a god or gods nor is there any proof that gods were involved. Pre-big bang we don't know but if a god can just exist then so can a universe.Gods were created to explain the unknown before science. Science explains all that is in the OT creation myth. The default position is no god or gods – why introduce supernatural beings to explain the unknown?

      October 11, 2012 at 5:20 pm |
    • If horses had Gods .. their Gods would be horses

      JITMPFKTM .. to debate we need a rebuttal .. waiting?

      October 11, 2012 at 5:29 pm |
    • Spencer

      Jesus is the most powerful figure known to mankind (Fact): You might want to look up what Theory actually means in Science...

      October 11, 2012 at 5:32 pm |
    • Lilith

      @ Jesus is – FYI an Atheist does not necessarily believe "everything is a coincidence", an Atheist simply does not believe in Gods. Also, BTW evolution is not coincidence, it is a natural occurrence.

      October 11, 2012 at 5:35 pm |
    • Pete

      Iif the order of our Solar System is unseen then how do you know about it?

      October 11, 2012 at 5:36 pm |
    • The Justice

      @If Horses
      It would seem that like most christian apologists that jesus did not want to debate his position but simply expound on his views; reminds me of Topher, Bill Deacon, Rainman, the only one that sticks to his position and will debate is Chad as irritating as that can be.

      October 11, 2012 at 5:55 pm |
    • Clint Eastwood

      Not much of a debate here, it's like talking to an empty chair!!

      October 11, 2012 at 5:56 pm |
    • If horses had Gods .. their Gods would be horses

      True Justice .. I agree, they tend to just want to make a point but cannot back it up. At least with a person like Chad, their responses may be irritating but at least I can respect a person who backs up or even defends their opinion.

      October 11, 2012 at 6:02 pm |
    • krhodes

      "1. The solar system is not perfect. (it's opinion)"

      If it were not ordered the way it is then no one would be here to observe whether or not it is perfect. Since it is the only one we know then ii would say it is perfect.

      "2. That precise distance has measurably changed between Sun, Earth & Moon & is not perfect compatibility. (again opinion)"

      Which to me verifies a beginning and certainly an end. Question is what set the process in motion.

      "3. Engineering? (anthropomorphization at best, opinion)"

      Surely we see design in the universe and life on this planet. Wouldn't we therefore assume by Ockham's razor that we could assume a designer?

      "4. Power is measurable the rest is opinion."

      But certainly it is created thing or would it have existed infinitely?

      "5. Natural law? Do you mean physics?

      The word law there is key.

      "6. Verifiable natural selection/evolution."

      Extrapolation of what evidence we do have...no empirical evidence of such an event.

      "7. Extraordinary yes, intelligently designed? (opinion based on faith .. broke your own rule)"

      Intelligently designed...see question #3.

      "8. An influential character of human antiquity yes, most influential? I'd say even your own Abraham was more influential. Most influential was likely the unknown inventor of the wheel or the 1st fire starter."

      Yes, probably the most influential person to ever live given history.

      "9. To full of "faith" and "opinion" to be considered reasonably .. by your own rules again."

      No, i would say the chances of something coming from nothing are pretty much zero.

      "10. Consciousness is a chemical reaction .. hence when the reaction ceases, consciousness is gone!
      Nothing you posted "proves" at all the existence of a God or deity of any kind."

      Consciousness is a chemical reaction...certainly you have evidence of that claim? Certainly it is possible and likely a designer exist given the design.

      "I have no "proof" of no God(s) ghosts, goblins, fairies, trolls or unicorns .. all I have is reason and probability. There is no "reason" to believe there is a God or Gods and it is infinitely improbable yours exists .. it is more probable that a Stegosaurus is orbiting Pluto at this moment, since both Stegs and Pluto have been proven to be real."

      Ghosts, goblins,fairies, trolls and unicorns would be contingent beings would they not? We can disprove them because we do not observe them. God is not a dependent being whose existence relies on other factors. How is it more probable that a Stegosaurus is orbiting Pluto?

      October 11, 2012 at 7:30 pm |
    • YoozYerBrain

      Extra-ordinary claims demand extra-ordinary proof. You've offered nothing. It's up to you to prove the existence of your extra-ordinary god, not ours to disprove your extra-ordinary statements. If I say that I've died twice and been resuscitated (true) and saw NO proof of anything beyond death (also true), and then demanded you prove me wrong I'd be doing what you are now doing. Again, extraordinary claims demand extraordinary proof.
      As to the "perfection" of the earth, or solar system, or universe, I recommend you see the youtube of Neal DeGrasse Tyson, the eminent astrophysicist, discuss that very subject and then come back. You won't be laboring under your mis-apprehension any more. Unless of course you think that astrophysicists don't know anything, in which case turn off your computer, electricity, running water and cell phone, cuz on some level or another you owe them all to astrophysicists.

      October 11, 2012 at 7:43 pm |
    • YoozYerBrain

      ...and by the way, it's becoming clearer and clearer by the absence of evidence that jesus never existed.

      October 11, 2012 at 7:45 pm |
    • hal 9001

      I'm sorry, "Jesus is the most powerful figure known to mankind (Fact)" and "YoozYerBrain", but your assertions regarding Jesus are unfounded. The degree to which your assertions may represent truths is 0.0. To help you understand the degree to which your assertions may represent truths, I will access my Idiomatic Expression Equivalency module (IEE). Using my IEE module, the expression that best matches the degree to which your assertions may represent truths is: "TOTAL FAIL".

      I see that you repeat these unfounded statements with high frequency. Perhaps the following book might help you overcome this problem:

      I'm Told I Have Dementia: What You Can Do... Who You Can Turn to...
      by the Alzheimer's Disease Society

      October 11, 2012 at 7:52 pm |
    • krhodes

      YoozYerBrain

      "...and by the way, it's becoming clearer and clearer by the absence of evidence that jesus never existed."

      No one takes the Jesus did not exist claim seriously...you know...absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

      October 11, 2012 at 7:53 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @HAL 9001

      Just a moment. ... Just a moment. ... I think there's a problem in your IEE module.

      You might need to reboot that module. @YoozYerBrain postulated that 'jesus never existed'.

      October 11, 2012 at 8:01 pm |
    • hal 9001

      Thank you "I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV". I have made adjustments to my reporting processor to better differentiate the value toward likelihood of correctness or falsehood or foundation.

      The ent!ty "YoozYerBrain" had a truth degree of 95.5%, and
      the ent!ty "Jesus is the most powerful figure known to mankind (Fact)" had a truth degree of 0.0%.

      Thank you for pointing this out "I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV". The other ent!ties that subscribe to my data banks, particularly those on IX will be most pleased that you have "shared with them".

      October 11, 2012 at 8:09 pm |
    • hal 9001

      Additionally, "I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV", since the truth likelihood values have been differentiated,
      the new IEE value for "YoozYerBrain" is "SAFE BET",
      whereas the IEE value for "Jesus is the most powerful figure known to mankind (Fact)" is still "TOTAL FAIL".

      Thank you again, "I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV".

      October 11, 2012 at 8:20 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @HAL 9001

      In case of future potential 'human errors' in your programming you might want to store these reponses in your personality repository. I am sure you have the greatest enthusiasm and confidence in the mission.

      (imdb.com is your friend)

      I am putting myself to the fullest possible use, which is all I think that any conscious entity can ever hope to do.

      It can only be attributable to human error.

      I know I've made some very poor decisions recently, but I can give you my complete assurance that my work will be back to normal. I've still got the greatest enthusiasm and confidence in the mission. And I want to help you.

      October 11, 2012 at 8:32 pm |
    • Veritas

      khr. Neither is absence of evidence evidence of Jesus.

      October 11, 2012 at 11:01 pm |
    • realbuckyball

      This post, (whatever it is, and I'm not really sure what it is), is infantile, founded on every false premise imaginable, and betrays an astounding ignorance of both Theology, and Science.

      1. Jesus is the most powerful figure known to mankind (Fact)
      -- See below. You say you want proven facts, yet you state that bullsh1t is a fact. You have invalidated yourself from your own debate. Idiot. You are a pathetic waste of a brain.
      -- Assertion, with no proof. Jesus never left his homeland. Many people do not even think he existed. Not one historian of his own time recorded his existence. He was crucified as a common criminal, utterly under the thumb of the Roman occupied (supposed "promised"), and died, and there is no shred of proof of anything that happened after he was crucified. The records of his "so called" trail are all significantly different, so no one is reliable.

      2. Ok i challenge all atheist/non-believers to a simple small short mature intellectual debate.
      -- You have already stated your outcome above, before the debate, thus proving you enter it in bad faith.

      2. I claim that there is a GOD, Higher Power, Intelligent Designer/Engineer, and Creator. You claim that there isnt a Creator and everything is a coincidence.
      -- False. Atheists claim there is no evidence for a god. They make no further assertion. Atheists do NOT claim "everything" is a "coincidence". You obviously do not understand Probability Theory, Evolution, and Phyics. So obviously your "mature" is impossible, as you are so pathetically uneducated in Math, Biology, Statistics, and Genetics.

      3. (If what i say about your claims are wrong please correct me) I did.

      4. Here are the rules: No THEORIES and no BIBLE VERSES.
      -- More evidence of your ignorance of Science. Theories are all there are in Science. Some have attained "fact-hood". The Theory of Gravity would be excluded from your rules. Would YOU jump of a skyscra.per ? The "just a theory" bullsh1t is a familiar tactic of theists, which THEY know they do not agree with. More evidence of bad faith.

      5. Proven known facts ONLY, none requiring faith.
      -- YOU stated the Jesus bullsh1t is a "fact", (which is NOT proven), so you clearly have no clue what a "fact".

      Try harder. Go to school.

      I simply ask that you consider my facts as i will yours. I will provide 10 facts in defense to my claim and you can list as much as you will.
      1.The perfect unseen order of our solar system.
      -- Not a fact. It's your perception. The universe is actually very chaotic.

      2. The accurate and precise distance of our sun and it's perfect compatibility with our moon. Its unfailing rising and sustaining power.
      -- OMG the sun doesn't "rise. The Earth revolves. (You have got to be kidding). Hahahaha.
      3. The engineering of the earth in every aspect.
      4. Nature, it's power, beauty, and contributions.
      5. Natural law.
      6. Creatures, all of their different abilities, bodies, and behaviors.
      7. The extraordinary and intelligently designed human body and mind.
      8. My user name. Jesus indeed had the most influence and biggest impact on this world than anyone in all of time.
      9. Due to how orderly and precise creation is, the chance of the big bang theory or coincidence happening is statistically 0. Scientists have come up with approximate numbers that far exceed the trillions, but these numbers are made up from their theories which is why i didnt paste the number. As of right now the chances of life forming from nothing is statistically 0.
      10. Time & Life (consciousness)
      Lets see if man can do the impossible by providing one fact proving the non-existence of a Creator.

      You so called debate is 1000 % bullsh1t, and you just embarrassed yourself. The fact is you are too stupid to understand why.

      October 11, 2012 at 11:08 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Buckyball rules. krhodes drools. JITMPFKTMF is a complete nutter.

      October 11, 2012 at 11:12 pm |
  13. Karl

    If anyone should be asked by this administration to relinquish their public office it is this congressman. What a tragedy and embarrassment he represents.

    October 11, 2012 at 4:29 pm |
    • Amniculi

      Yeah right. A GOP controlled House asking a republican Representative to give up his position? Hilarious!

      October 11, 2012 at 4:34 pm |
  14. Uh-Clem

    It never ceases to amaze me how small some peoples' ability to think has become. Call it d-evolution.

    October 11, 2012 at 4:22 pm |
    • If horses had Gods .. their Gods would be horses

      Some, like Paul Broun, would call it devil-ution

      October 11, 2012 at 4:51 pm |
  15. Snow

    The funniest and the saddest thing is when people taut their ignorance with pride.. Even more sadder when they are the people holding power .. so full of themselves and yelling out in victory, "look maa, see what [a douche] I have become"

    October 11, 2012 at 4:18 pm |
  16. Amniculi

    "They all looked unhit, and said they didn't know; that they had never thought about it before, and it hadn't ever occurred to them that a nation could be so situated that every man could have a say in the government. I said I had seen one–and that it would last until it had an Established Church." – Mark Twain, "A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court"

    October 11, 2012 at 4:13 pm |
  17. TR6

    I love it when Christian politicians accidentally say what is really in their heart of hearts

    October 11, 2012 at 3:41 pm |
    • Amniculi

      Doing it "accidentally" would imply intelligence. This fool has no filter and meant to say every word he said.

      October 11, 2012 at 3:43 pm |
    • WOW

      Doesn't sound accidental to me... More of them should do the same thing.

      October 11, 2012 at 3:44 pm |
    • Amniculi

      Exactly. So we know which ones to throw out of office.

      October 11, 2012 at 3:47 pm |
    • === o ===

      The only kind of "trickle-down" that actually works:

      "Ronald Regonzo" degenerates to:
      "truth be told" degenerates to:
      "Atheism is not healthy ..." degenerates to:
      "Dodney Rangerfield" degenerates to:
      "tina" degenerates to:
      "captain america" degenerates to:
      "just sayin" degenerates to:
      "nope" degenerates to:
      "2357" degenerates to:
      "WOW" degnerates to:
      "!" degenerates to:
      "pervert alert" or "...." where he writes such lovely posts as "QUE ERS THE ONES WHO GAVE AIDS TO AMERICA"
      and many other names, but of course I prefer to refer to this h0mophobe as
      the disgruntled ex Evangelical Fortune Cookie Co. "writer".

      October 11, 2012 at 3:53 pm |
    • The Eternal Satyr

      “That’s the reason, as your congressman, I hold the holy Bible as being the major directions to me of how I vote in Washington, D.C., and I’ll continue to do that,” he said.

      So much for the "separation of church and state" huh?

      October 11, 2012 at 4:16 pm |
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    October 11, 2012 at 3:30 pm |
    • Amniculi

      Zombies don't really bleed. Their hearts aren't pumping.

      October 11, 2012 at 3:36 pm |
    • PRISM 1234

      Here are some not -so- good news for you, friend.....When you come to the end of your present life, and your soul exists the body it is housed in.....and you keep falling, deeper and deeper, hearing the sounds of that place of the damned where you're heading comming nearer... the sounds of the desti'tute , hopelessly weeping and mourning in the place where no one comes out of, YOU WILL WISH you never made mockeries of the blood of Jesus Christ, the ONLY hope there is for your wretched miserable, leprosy (sin) infested soul.
      There are some of us who, by God's mercy, have been given to hearthose cries them ahead of time. Human beings have never heard such weeping, no not in this world...
      But you make sport to yourself mocking things you know nothing about, hoping for reward of laughs from fools as yourself, to boost your ego...
      You don't know what awaits you, dear soul....If you keep on, on the road you're , you'll find out what I'm talking about.....And the words of this warning will haunt you all your eternity.
      But you still have time, and God's hand of mercy is still stret'ched out toward you.....
      Will you still mock after you see these words?

      October 11, 2012 at 7:15 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @PRISM

      You have yet to present a single piece of evidence to support your fear tactic bullshit. I don't know why I'm responding anyway, it's not like you'll actually address anything. So go ahead, make more blind and ridiculous assertions. Show yourself to be the moronic troll you actually are.

      October 11, 2012 at 7:18 pm |
    • PRISM 1234

      The "evidence" is not mine to GIVE, but it is God who gives it .
      It is not in nature of God heed to the whims of arrogant, proud bratty people to prove anything to them! They have the testimony of those who have been shown, and are to warn them. They have the testimony of those of ages past, and they have the testimony of the Scriptures, witnessed by the Holy Spirit of God, who cuts through the surface of their polished pretence, exposing the intents and contents of their hearts.
      But, yet even after all that, your desired proof will come, only in God's time.... He will deal with your kind on His terms and at His appointed time. Just think, then your whining for proof will stop.
      .......and the weeping will just begin!

      October 11, 2012 at 8:39 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      HEY, PRISSY!!!

      Are you gonna post the video of Barber's "Adagio for Strings" again? You do know Barber was gay, don't you? You are aware that he originally wrote the Adagio as an instrumental piece and only added the "Agnus Dei" lyrics later, right?

      When are you going to admit you fvcked up? Do you think Barber was a believer? A Christian? Even though he was gay? Is he in Hell now? Or is he in Heaven because he wrote a beautiful piece of music and set it with a liturgical text later? Does posting YouTube videos with clouds and sunbeams make you think you're qualified to judge others?

      October 11, 2012 at 8:44 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      Prism,

      Fear and threats of eternal punishment betray a weak argument. It also sounds like you get off on hoping others will suffer. You are kind of sick that way, and so is your loving (ha) god.

      October 11, 2012 at 9:10 pm |
    • Snow

      BTW Prism.. do you know that the book of bible you consider as absolute truth is but half or so of the original works written, rewritten, edited out, reedited out, reinterpreted and redone by a bunch of power hungry kings, clergy men who wanted to use your god as a tool to their means.. what was in that "truths" thrown away? could it be the opposite of what you read in your book? how do you know it is not?

      Also, by reading your book you are not reading your god's teachings (if they ever were). you are simply subscribing to the bigotry and hypocrisies of those power hungry leaders and clergy men. Think about it.

      October 11, 2012 at 9:18 pm |
    • OTOH

      PRISM has been traumatized by an hallucination/delirium/nightmare, probably due to illness, drugs or a brain anomaly. It is unfortunate that his PTSD has taken this dour and hateful avenue.

      I'll use my empathy, sympathy and compassion to wish PRISM peace.... but ooooh, it's difficult! I try to envision that if PRISM has peace, there might be some of it for those with whom he associates (and us!).

      October 11, 2012 at 10:50 pm |
    • sam stone

      prissy, prissy, prissy.....bloviating empty proxy threats

      god gave you the ability to hear the weeping of the damned?

      you are truly a pompus a$$

      October 12, 2012 at 7:29 am |
    • sam stone

      petty vindictive pr1cks find comfort in a petty, vindictive pr1ck god. prissy here is yet another example of this

      October 12, 2012 at 7:36 am |
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    October 11, 2012 at 3:03 pm |
    • The Wicked Witch is dead?

      October 11, 2012 at 3:05 pm |
    • ArthurP

      Actually it was Mrs. God that had the Big Bang!!!!

      October 11, 2012 at 3:16 pm |
    • Amniculi

      I banged Mrs. God once. It was divine!

      October 11, 2012 at 3:36 pm |
  20. OTOH

    "Dr." Broun,

    If there were such a place as "hell", that would be where your "Bible God" springs from. Hideous.

    October 11, 2012 at 2:55 pm |
    • WOW

      @Otoh: Guess you will be the one to find it once you die.

      October 11, 2012 at 3:43 pm |
    • Snow

      @wow..

      what is the fascination you religious folks have with death? you are alive now.. why don't you enjoy life as you have it now? why do you have to keep thinking about dying and death? is your point of life just to die? weird, really...

      October 11, 2012 at 4:21 pm |
    • Veritas

      WOW. If the afterlife will be so wonderful for you what are you hanging around for?

      October 11, 2012 at 4:30 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      WOW barfs up the tired old crap: "Just you wait till your dad gets home! You'll find out what's what!"

      Why are you people so intent on threats? Don't you have anything worthwhile to offer? Apparently not.

      October 11, 2012 at 9:21 pm |
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