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October 10th, 2012
12:01 PM ET

Congressman draws fire for calling evolution, Big Bang ‘lies from the pit of hell’

By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor

Washington (CNN) – A U.S. congressman is attracting attention and criticism for an online video that shows him blasting evolution and the Big Bang theory as “lies from the pit of hell” in a recent speech at a church event in his home state of Georgia.

“All that stuff I was taught about evolution, embryology, the Big Bang theory, all that is lies straight from the pit of hell,” U.S Rep. Paul Broun said in an address last month at a banquet organized by Liberty Baptist Church in Hartwell, Georgia. “And it’s lies to try to keep me and all the folks who were taught that from understanding that they need a savior.”

Broun, a medical doctor by training, serves on the House Committee on Science, Space and Technology.

Speaking at Liberty Baptist Church’s Sportsman’s Banquet on September 27, he said that “a lot of scientific data that I’ve found out as a scientist that actually show that this is really a young Earth.”

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“I don’t believe that the Earth’s but about 9,000 years old,” Broun said in the speech, which Liberty Baptist Church posted on its website via YouTube.  “I believe it was created in six days as we know them. That’s what the Bible says."

Scientists say that the Earth is roughly 4.5 billion years old and that the universe dates back 13.7 billion years.

In his speech to the church group, Broun called the Bible the “the manufacturer’s handbook. … It teaches us how to run all of public policy and everything in our society.”

“That’s the reason, as your congressman, I hold the holy Bible as being the major directions to me of how I vote in Washington, D.C., and I’ll continue to do that,” he said.

A spokeswoman for the congressman, Meredith Griffanti, said that Broun was not available for comment on Wednesday and that the video showed him “speaking off the record to a large church group about his personal beliefs regarding religious issues.”

The congressman’s remarks about science have drawn attention online, with critics taking aim at his role on the science committee.

Bill Nye, the popular science personality, told the Huffington Post in an e-mail that "Since the economic future of the United States depends on our tradition of technological innovation, Representative Broun's views are not in the national interest."

"For example, the Earth is simply not 9,000 years old," said Nye, a mechanical engineer and television personality best known for his program "Bill Nye the Science Guy." Broun "is, by any measure, unqualified to make decisions about science, space, and technology."

Talking Points Memo reported on the church video over the weekend after being tipped off by the Bridge Project, a progressive group that tracks conservative activity.

Most creationists believe in the account of the origins of the world as told in the Book of Genesis, the first book of the Bible.

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In the creation account, God creates Adam and Eve, the world and everything in it in six days.

For Christians who read the Genesis account literally, or authoritatively as they would say, the six days in the account are literal 24-hour periods and leave no room for evolution.  Young Earth creationists use this construct and biblical genealogies to determine the age of the Earth and typically come up with 6,000 to 10,000 years.

The Gallup Poll has been tracking Americans' views on creation and evolution for 30 years.  In June, it released its latest findings, which showed that 46% of Americans believed in creationism, 32% believed in evolution guided by God, and 15% believed in atheistic evolution.

– CNN's Eric Marrapodi contributed to this report.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Bible • Christianity • Evolution • Politics • Science

soundoff (5,886 Responses)
  1. GOOD NEWS

    Jesus foretold about and thus absolutely endorsed the "Son of Man" here (=John 6/27, 40),

    and the "Son of Man" has thus absolutely proven now

    that Big bang and Evolution are the most Powerful and Superb "Creation Acts" of GOD,

    through the "Language of Mathematics" here:

    http://www.holy-19-harvest.com

    ****UNIVERSAL MAGNIFICENT MIRACLES****

    October 13, 2012 at 1:37 am |
    • End Religion

      The fact jesus never existed introduces a wrinkle into your wild delusions.

      October 13, 2012 at 2:25 am |
    • Franklin

      The big bang and evolution do not require a god to have occurred. Genesis disagrees. That's the problem, and no Christian argument can build bridges between the two.

      October 13, 2012 at 11:01 am |
  2. My Dog is a jealous Dog

    It takes so little mental effort to be an atheist.

    October 12, 2012 at 11:53 pm |
    • Dippy

      It takes even less mental effort to see that religion and creationism are bullshit.

      October 13, 2012 at 12:00 am |
    • Gadflie

      My Dog, that's true. But, unfortunately there are people incapable of even that much, so they are still believers.

      October 13, 2012 at 12:29 am |
    • saggyroy

      That's right, because religion is mostly mental.

      October 13, 2012 at 7:21 am |
    • Franklin

      My Dog
      You're right. Atheism doesn't require any of the mental gymnastics that being a believer requires. How anybody can hold a belief in something as illogical and ridiculous as the Trinity, for example, without damaging their brain cells is beyond me. I can only assume that most believers don't actually think about what they believe very much.

      October 13, 2012 at 11:08 am |
  3. LittleHero

    If only these people devoted the mental energy required to maintain their delusions to actual logical problem solving we would have the greatest resource on earth right here in America.

    October 12, 2012 at 11:51 pm |
  4. the AnViL

    hey everyone! hope your weekend's great...

    just wanted to take a moment to encourage everyone – even if you do not live in the united states, to take a few minutes of your time and visit the website for the committee on science, space and technology (science.house.gov) to demand that congressman paul broun be removed from this committee. if you want to go the extra mile – go ahead and post this story to all your friends on facebook or any other media outlet you can think of.

    don't let repugnant ignorance like this ride.

    enough is enough.

    tolerance for religious ignorance has got to end.

    October 12, 2012 at 10:28 pm |
    • Rufus T. Firefly

      Here is the link:

      http://science.house.gov/contact-us/email-us

      October 12, 2012 at 10:34 pm |
    • a reasonable atheist

      Thanks for the link – message submitted:

      "Subject: Rep. Broun's place on the committee is an embarrassment

      Message:
      To whom it may concern,

      I was astonished to read of the public views expressed by Rep. Broun regarding evolution, modern cosmology, and other forms of scientific endeavor. If he truly believes what he espouses, his total ignorance of the scientific method demonstrates that he should be immediately removed from the Committee on Science, Space, and Technology. Perhaps there is a Committee on Superst.ition and Ignorance that his expertise would be better suited to? If, on the other hand, he was merely pandering to a church-going audience, he has amply demonstrated his lack of moral fort.itude through his disingenuous public proclamations. In this case, he should not only be removed from the committee but also from the House. We cannot afford to have our leadership espousing this superst.itious garbage. The United States needs to lead in Science, not wallow in ignorance while other countries pass us by."

      October 13, 2012 at 8:06 am |
    • OTOH

      a reasonable atheist,

      Excellent message. I wrote to them also, but yours is much better. Thank you.

      October 13, 2012 at 12:22 pm |
  5. Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

    nottolate is incapable of even the most rudimentary reasoning. The bonehead can't tie his own shoes.

    October 12, 2012 at 10:24 pm |
    • Rational Libertarian

      Surely you mean shoe laces? Tying one's shoes would be a big mistake, especially if you mean tie dye, as hippies are the worst group of people on the planet.

      October 12, 2012 at 10:53 pm |
  6. nottolate is

    Not worth the space or oxygen he/she/it consumes.

    October 12, 2012 at 10:15 pm |
    • nottolate

      Shut it, name thief.

      October 12, 2012 at 10:17 pm |
  7. WFC

    This is how China will eventually crush the US – when we are no longer educating engineers and scientists because 46% of Americans don't believe in science.

    October 12, 2012 at 10:12 pm |
    • the AnViL

      it was a bloody lot more than 46%.
      you're forgetting the other chunk that believes in evolution guided by the imaginary man in the sky.

      78%

      they may have a rudimentary understanding of evolution – but they're still missing something in the critical thinking skills department. this other chunk you forgot rejects the scientific process – simply by virtue of their religious thinking.

      October 12, 2012 at 10:47 pm |
    • End Religion

      Yep, the basic Sun Tzu stuff of waiting until you have an advantage, that advantage not necessarily military. The issue is each passing day they become more consumer oriented as well and so head down a similar path. They just have a more government-centered ethos which could give them the advantage of keeping from becoming mired in the god delusion.

      October 13, 2012 at 2:33 am |
  8. OpposingView

    Hawaiiguest... Do you not understand english. Every sentence contains a "topic". And King James was never the topic at any time. Try taking a course in english and then get back to me....

    From Wikipedia...

    ..."In linguistics, the topic (or theme) of a sentence is often defined as what is being talked about, and the comment (rheme or focus) is what is being said about the topic..."

    October 12, 2012 at 9:12 pm |
    • Dippy

      And you should take a course in capitalization. English is a proper noun.

      October 12, 2012 at 9:17 pm |
    • OpposingView

      Dippy... And little kids need to stay out of grown people's conversations. You might get hurt, or hear something you can't deal with...

      October 12, 2012 at 9:26 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @OpposingView

      You'll grasp at anything won't you? When you limit the view to a single source (King James Version of the bible), the source itself is open to be questioned to determine accuracy, or authority.

      October 12, 2012 at 9:32 pm |
    • OpposingView

      Hawaiiguest... I am not grasping. I clearly stated in a subsequent post – "… If it makes all you uninformed turkeys feel better, there is no "Lilith" in the original Hebrew & Greek scriptures either. So no matter what you feel about King James, your argument is still defeated…

      That statement still stands, and their argument is still defeated...

      October 12, 2012 at 9:45 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      And your source for that?

      October 12, 2012 at 9:47 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @O.V.

      It really is amazing to see the many translations of Isaiah 34:14.

      http://bible.cc/isaiah/34-14.htm

      Lilith
      Night monster
      Night creatures
      Night bird
      Satyr

      It is interesting to see how many versions have decided to omit Lilith.

      "Lilit" does occur in Hebrew texts.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilith

      October 12, 2012 at 9:56 pm |
    • OpposingView

      GOPer… I repeat – the term "Lilith" is NOT in the original scriptures written by the apostles and the prophets – no matter what you or Wikipedia says. As for one way to prove this, search the "Interlinear Bible" – it is a bible that contains the complete Hebrew and Greek texts of the original scriptures along with an English translation. If you search the Interlinear Bible you'll find the word "Lilith" does NOT exist. And that is only one way to prove it…

      And in case you don't know it, Wikipedia is of the devil and it can't be trusted (because it was written by sinners and directed by Lucifer). So don't believe everything you read or hear...

      For another good example of deception, it is also no secret that the "Apocrypha" exists (which are allegedly the 12 missing books of the bible). Yes, the Apocrypha exists, and yes those books are full of witchcraft. The only problem is, those books were NOT authorized by God, nor were they written by the apostles or prophets. It was Lucifer who had someone to write those books all to deceive you. But we who are saved we know the truth. And that is why knowledgeable Christians don't even recognize those books. We've very aware they're of the devil. And the same with the term "Lilith". That term is of the devil. Lilith never existed. The only wife Adam ever had was Eve. Anything else you hear is a lie…

      As a side note, don't confuse "mythology" with "reality". Even Wikipedia is stating that Lilith is only a part of Jewish "mythology". The original bible scriptures I spoke of are not mythology – they are "real" – and they speak of things which are real, real events that happened in human history. Absolutely no part of the authorized scriptures is "mythology"…

      October 13, 2012 at 2:52 am |
    • fintastic

      @OV "Wikipedia is of the devil and it can't be trusted"

      This just keeps getting better and better!!!

      October 15, 2012 at 3:14 pm |
  9. waitasec

    if anyone finds a fossil of a polar bear, kangaroo or penguin in the middle east
    evolution will be turned on it's head...and thusly debunked

    thus far...nothing nada zilch
    creationism is nothing but the iron age way of dealing with the things that were not understood. there is absolutely no excuse for the idea of creationism to carry over in today's world.

    October 12, 2012 at 8:59 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @waitasec

      If it were exactly the same as the modern animals, with the same DNA etc, but dated back a couple hundred million years, yea that would completely turn evolution on its head. It would be really exciting though.

      October 12, 2012 at 9:03 pm |
    • waitasec

      yes it would be exciting. let me underline how unlikely this is even remotely going to happen
      lets not just consider the middle east, even en route to their respective habitats which ups the odds...still nothing.

      October 12, 2012 at 9:07 pm |
    • Rufus T. Firefly

      ...rabbits in the Precambrian.

      October 12, 2012 at 9:11 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      Imagine the brand new field of study, not to mention the scramble to figure out why modern medicine still works with a major part of the evolutionary model being disproved.

      October 12, 2012 at 9:49 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      Given how much the continents have wandered around, what we would think of as "strange" locations could be explained.

      There was a pop-science program on History Channel last night that posited varies human traits as derivative of the evolutionary process. I find these shows a bit repet;tive and tedious – they keep reasserting their hypothesis before and after every ad break.

      But that aside: my primary observation was surprise that someone
      1. made the program and
      2. sold it to History Channel
      even though half of Americans would presumably turn it off if they realized it was about evolution.

      October 12, 2012 at 10:02 pm |
    • b4bigbang

      hawaiiguest: "Imagine the brand new field of study, not to mention the scramble to figure out why modern medicine still works with a major part of the evolutionary model being disproved."

      ???
      Care to re-phrase?

      October 12, 2012 at 10:11 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Why? Do you need to move your lips when you read, bigfart?

      October 12, 2012 at 10:12 pm |
    • b4bigbang

      No, but i do need to move your lips out of the way when i pee....

      October 12, 2012 at 10:14 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @b4big

      Why would I re-phrase?

      October 12, 2012 at 10:15 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      You wish, micro-penis.

      October 12, 2012 at 10:15 pm |
    • b4bigbang

      Which part of the evolutionary theory for one.
      I don't follow you.

      October 12, 2012 at 10:20 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      @hg, because notverysmart can't manage those multi-syllabic words. The dolt has trouble with diphthongs. And vowels. Oh, yeah, consonants REALLY throw the doofus for a loop.

      And don't even get INTO idioms!!!

      October 12, 2012 at 10:21 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      "I don't follow you." Try leaving a trail of breadcrumbs, Gretel, you idiot.

      October 12, 2012 at 10:22 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @b4big

      If we found modern animals fossils a few hundred million years old, and were able to extract a DNA sample and was 100% the same as living creatures, that would contradict natural genetic drfit. The rate and mechanisms of evolution would have to be rethought, and there would also be a scramble to determine whether it was an isolated anomoly. At this point though, evolution itself (change over time) is just a fact, all that is suspect is the specifics.

      October 12, 2012 at 10:27 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @Rufus,

      "...rabbits in the Precambrian".

      Funny! (I didn't originally get the specific reference but saw the wikipedia page.)

      Did trilobites even have gills?

      October 12, 2012 at 10:30 pm |
    • b4bigbang

      @hawaiiguest: Oh, ok. I guess you really did mean 'why' rather than 'how'.
      I was reading into your statement – my bad.
      But on a slightly different tangent, I don't think we need to know everything about evolution in order to make effective modern medicine. My take on it is that ultimately it is a matter of manipulation of molecules, esp DNA molecules that will allow almost total control over an organism [in the future of course].
      This is more engineering than anything else IMO.

      October 12, 2012 at 10:39 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @b4big

      I think we should know as much as we possibly can about evolution.

      October 12, 2012 at 10:46 pm |
    • chuck

      You mean to tell me that Jonah didn't live in a whale? Well shut ma mouth!!

      October 12, 2012 at 10:46 pm |
    • b4bigbang

      Did you see the cover story on National Geographic about a year or so ago regarding rapid evolution of foxes by Russian researchers?
      They were attempting to find out how quickly tameness could be bred into the animals and were shocked to see major anatomical changes [along with the tameness] happen within 20 – 40 years of breeding.

      October 12, 2012 at 10:51 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @b4big

      Yes I remember that. Even the look of the fox changed dramatically.

      October 12, 2012 at 10:54 pm |
    • b4bigbang

      Yes, I recall that the number of vertabrae changed along with other major anatomical changes.
      Amazing. Great article about a really cool experiment.

      October 12, 2012 at 10:58 pm |
    • b4bigbang

      All done w/out the need for Monsanto-style gene splicing; just good old-fashioned selective breeding.

      October 12, 2012 at 11:07 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      "Selective breeding." Well, Bfart, that would leave YOU out of any opportunity to spawn.

      October 12, 2012 at 11:19 pm |
  10. realbuckyball

    If all I have for believing in a god, is that I can't (yet) find a better explanation, that relegates god to a second place, and my looking for explanations is REALLY my god,and 1st priority and "he" conveniently fills a need of mine, (god of my gaps).

    All the ID argument really is, is "proximate cause", not "First Cause". An omnipotent god, could have created an invisible "universe maker", and that is just as plausible a creator, as the ultimate maker.

    October 12, 2012 at 8:55 pm |
    • chuck

      I don't know if I can agree with you. My problem is, I can't figure out what you said.

      October 12, 2012 at 10:48 pm |
  11. Rufus T. Firefly

    nottolate is one of those unwittingly ironic people who uses an electronic computer made of synthetic materials linked to a gobal network by satellites orbiting in perfect trajectories ... to argue that science is made up.

    October 12, 2012 at 8:53 pm |
  12. realbuckyball

    Nottolate
    You also have never seen bacteria.
    You "believe" all sorts of things you have not "seen".

    October 12, 2012 at 8:31 pm |
    • chuck

      That's no reason to think bacteria is god.

      October 12, 2012 at 10:51 pm |
  13. realbuckyball

    What's your problem, nottolate ? What do you want explained ?

    October 12, 2012 at 8:30 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      He wants to know why his fvcking balls smell so bad.

      October 12, 2012 at 10:34 pm |
  14. Rufus T. Firefly

    nottolate: "I haven't seen one evidence in the case of evolution"

    I am absolutely certain you have – you just haven't recognized it. Ever noticed your relatives look like you, but not exactly like you? That would be an absurd coincidence if everyone is a unique creation; however, it makes perfect sense in the light of evolutionary theory.

    October 12, 2012 at 8:20 pm |
  15. nottolate

    @hawaiiguest

    "And yet, for all your typing, you have still given no proof that Broun is "spot on" in his moronic statements."

    And that really doesn't address my reply in the least now does it? That should be your primary focus if you're wise. If someone brought such to my attention it sure would give me cause to pause.

    October 12, 2012 at 7:58 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      LOL so your reply to my reply telling you to prove your statement is more important than actually proving your statement. Boy do you even know how discussions work? Here's a hint, you don't automatically get precedence because your feewings got hurt.

      October 12, 2012 at 8:00 pm |
    • nottolate

      @Athy

      "It's just bewildering to me that in this day and age there are still so many people like you willing to accept ancient mythology over logical explanations for nature. "

      You care to qualify any of that? Especially that mythology part

      "Have you never read a book on evolution?"

      Why would I when even leading authorities in the field who champion the idea still refer to it as a "theory?" So quit acting like you know something when even they don't. BTW...you libs could at least be as civil in your debates as your hero Biden last night.

      October 12, 2012 at 8:05 pm |
    • nottolate

      @hawaiiguest.

      "LOL so your reply to my reply telling you to prove your statement is more important than actually proving your statement."

      What, do you think I should just let that slide? Guess again. Besides, its a key part of my argument which I think you fear addressing because it would force you to take a real look at what we are saying.

      October 12, 2012 at 8:08 pm |
    • Athy

      So you admit you've never read a book on evolution? Why am I not surprised?

      October 12, 2012 at 8:11 pm |
    • nottolate

      "Here's a hint, you don't automatically get precedence because your feewings got hurt."

      Why would my feelings be hurt when we already know your real target is Christ? I suspect that all you're really interested in is ranting instead of debate. In debate you address what is put to you and not just arbitrarily moving on. So just who are you kidding?

      October 12, 2012 at 8:12 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      Congrats on demonstrating an unwillingness to not only avoid proving statements you make, but to also pretend like you're justified. You have now validated my label of "tool" for you.

      October 12, 2012 at 8:14 pm |
    • nottolate

      Athy,

      So you admit you've never read a book on evolution? Why am I not surprised?

      Still posturing after being rightly called out on it?

      October 12, 2012 at 8:16 pm |
    • nottolate

      Athy,

      "So you admit you've never read a book on evolution? Why am I not surprised?"

      Still posturing after being rightly called out on it?

      October 12, 2012 at 8:17 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      Change unwillingness to willingness.

      October 12, 2012 at 8:19 pm |
    • nottolate

      Notice how these libs can't answer a single question put to them. In every case they respond with folly, insults, or name calling. Its who they are.

      October 12, 2012 at 8:20 pm |
    • GY

      nottolate,
      I consider myself a Christian and I believe an evolution. Am I comitting a sin?

      October 12, 2012 at 8:20 pm |
    • Athy

      You don't seem to accept the answers. Or even understand them. You're a lost cause.

      October 12, 2012 at 8:22 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @nottolate

      Nice projection.

      October 12, 2012 at 8:24 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      Anyone who disavows real science as 'lies from the pit of hell" has no place on the House Committee on Science, Space and Technology.

      He was a Marine Reserve. Let him serve on the Veterans Affairs committee instead.

      October 12, 2012 at 8:26 pm |
    • GY

      I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV,

      Exactly. If someone disagreed with a mathmetician that 2+2 didn't equal 4, we'd all consider them crazy. Yet, if someone disagrees with scientists that evolution never took place, there are some (maybe even the majority) of Americans who think they have a point. The worst part is that the majority of these people are unable or unwilling to actually believe in the real evidence and are just set in their ways. This video is good evidence of that.

      [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXgl4AUZnrg&w=640&h=390]

      Here are parts 1 & 2. I separated the links as I dont want to flood the site w/ videos.

      http://www.you tube.com/watch?v=83NLkGZHTSw

      http://www.you tube.com/watch?v=V8bHEWQOsiU

      October 12, 2012 at 8:38 pm |
    • GY

      You might have to watch the first two videos to see what I was talking about. Kent Hovind, was destroyed on every item he brought up to the scientist and he just keeps going on and on about the same points that have already been debunked. At the very end you hear the scientist lose his patience that he has to keep repeating himself and it just doesnt sink in for Hovind.

      October 12, 2012 at 8:42 pm |
    • the AnViL

      the ignorant enemies of reason always misunderstand the concept of scientific theory. they ignorantly and foolishly believe scientific theories are "wild guesses".

      scientific theories are constructed with numerous facts. lots and lots of facts. tons of facts.

      unlike religious ideology – which is based on... ignorance. tons and tons of ignorance.

      you should be ashamed to be this ignorant.

      October 12, 2012 at 9:09 pm |
    • ElmerGantry

      @nottolate,

      HawaiiGuest is right. You are the claimant, the burden of proof is on you – the claimant.

      It is not up to HawaiiGuest nor any one else to prove your claim.

      I could just see you if you ever have to file a claim in a court of law and try to tell the judge that the defendent must prove your case. It would be less than a second of time before the judge dismisses the case and laughs you out of the court room.

      Look up the burden of proof.

      October 12, 2012 at 10:46 pm |
    • Veritas

      Toolate. It shows how little you know about the scientific use if the word theory. All the facts support evolution. The vast majority of scientists believe evolution is a fact. DNA evidence alone is proof enough. Plus fossils, simpler life is found in the older rocks, etc. Even though there is some issues to resolve on specific mechanisms that does not invalidate evolution and it especially does not make true a creation myth from 1000s of years ago which your religion has adopted.
      Reading these posts I see you never actually answer any questions.

      October 12, 2012 at 11:33 pm |
    • a reasonable atheist

      @GY

      2+2 can = 5, for large values of 2

      October 13, 2012 at 8:32 am |
  16. nottolate

    “All that stuff I was taught about evolution, embryology, the Big Bang theory, all that is lies straight from the pit of hell,” U.S Rep. Paul Broun said in an address last month at a banquet organized by Liberty Baptist Church in Hartwell, Georgia. “And it’s lies to try to keep me and all the folks who were taught that from understanding that they need a savior.”

    The guy is spot on in that assessment.

    October 12, 2012 at 7:21 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      Prove it tool.

      October 12, 2012 at 7:26 pm |
    • nottolate

      Tool? And unprovoked at that. Look in the mirror and there's your proof. What you really need to do is pause and consider why is it you feel the need to rail against the things of God at every opportunity? What is it about you or in you that you feel the need to call someone whom you've never even met something derogatory.

      October 12, 2012 at 7:33 pm |
    • Athy

      Because what you say is so absurd you brand yourself a complete and utter fool.

      October 12, 2012 at 7:38 pm |
    • Rufus T. Firefly

      nottolate, if you really believe that it might indeed be "to" late for you.

      October 12, 2012 at 7:41 pm |
    • Rufus T. Firefly

      nottolate, why are you so sure that denying embryology, evolution, and big bang cosmology is a "thing of God?" Perhaps it is just a thing of willful ignorance.

      October 12, 2012 at 7:44 pm |
    • nottolate

      @Athy

      "Because what you say is so absurd you brand yourself a complete and utter fool."

      First, I haven't said anything yet. Second, what if you are just ignorant of these things and so find them absurd? Third, finding something absurd personally does not warrant calling another something derogatory having never met them. What's your mother think of that? Is that what she taught you to do to others as a child? So again, what is in it you that feels the need to do such evil?

      October 12, 2012 at 7:46 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @nottolate

      And yet, for all your typing, you have still given no proof that Broun is "spot on" in his moronic statements.

      October 12, 2012 at 7:51 pm |
    • nottolate

      @Rufus T. Firefly

      "nottolate, why are you so sure that denying embryology, evolution, and big bang cosmology is a "thing of God?" Perhaps it is just a thing of willful ignorance."

      I haven't seen one evidence in the case of evolution or a big bang and neither have you. In fact, no one posting here has. Let's look at carbon dating for instance. Have you ever personally participated in it so that you can make an informed decision as to whether it is in fact accurate and a true measure of the date of something? Of course you haven't. But you buy into it by faith on the basis of what some scientist said who may or may not have an agenda.

      October 12, 2012 at 7:53 pm |
    • Athy

      It's just bewildering to me that in this day and age there are still so many people like you willing to accept ancient mythology over logical explanations for nature. You behave as though stupidity and ignorance were virtues. Have you never read a book on evolution? Have you never thought about how silly it is to believe in a creator when there is no evidence whatsoever for one? You seem totally bible washed and unable to think logically.

      October 12, 2012 at 7:55 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @nottolate

      Have you ever built a power plant? A hydroelectric dam? How about an airplane, or a car? If you haven't then according to your logic, no amount you study or read can tell you how those things work, and therefore there is no proof that they work.

      October 12, 2012 at 7:55 pm |
    • midwest rail

      A single scientist with an agenda would be easily (and gleefully) exposed by his scientific brethren as a fraud. Since that has not happened, there would need to be a worldwide conspiracy involving thousands to make your point relevant.

      October 12, 2012 at 7:58 pm |
    • realbuckyball

      He's a quack doctor, who never worked a day in a hospital in his life. All he did was house-calls, as no one would hire him. Liberty University is the biggest joke in the country. These people are such idiots. They USE Evolution every day at their doctor, (antibiotics), and if they were in prison, they would use DNA to get out. They're just too retarded to get why that proves evolution.

      October 12, 2012 at 8:00 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      Wait his medical degree is from Liberty?
      AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
      *deep breath*
      HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

      October 12, 2012 at 8:01 pm |
    • the AnViL

      "First, I haven't said anything yet" – yeah, you did... you stated "The guy is spot on in that assessment."

      with one small statement, you've managed to characterize yourself as ignorant. people who agree with the congressman from georgia, who wallow in ignorance, are the enemies of reason.

      for a medical doctor to refute other branches of science, like physics for instance – is incredibly ignorant, and demonstrative of a level of ignorance that's all-pervasive in our society.

      with your short, simplistic agreement with the congressman from georgia... you have shown the world that you too, suffer from the dunning-kruger effect... you need not post anything else – undoubtedly you will, as people like yourself can't wait to jump at a chance to show the world how completely ignorant you are – and yes – you're a tool.

      you, and those who believe like you, should not be allowed to hold public office, vote, purchase firearms – or teach public school.

      October 12, 2012 at 8:04 pm |
    • Rufus T. Firefly

      nottolate: "Let's look at carbon dating for instance. Have you ever personally participated in it so that you can make an informed decision as to whether it is in fact accurate and a true measure of the date of something?"

      What a coincidence that you would bring that up. Yes, I literally give lectures on it in Graduate level classes. We do sample pre-treatments in my lab. I have 12 radiocarbon dates in the till right now at the Department of Physics AMS Lab. Scroll down to see some of my other comments on radiocarbon dating.

      nottolate, these things really aren't made up. They are the life's work of generations of researchers that literally spend decades focused upon very specific research issues. You might consider that they are aware of some evidence and processes that you are not. Probably, given your comments, an an amount that is unimaginable to you.

      October 12, 2012 at 8:12 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      Let's be fair – his degree is not from Liberty U.

      He has a BS in Chemistry from UGA and an MD from the Medical College of Georgia in Augusta. (On wonders how many faculty here are members at the golf course.)

      October 12, 2012 at 8:18 pm |
    • realbuckyball

      No. I don't know where he went to school. I do know he had no further training after med school, and he has no board certification in anything. The Liberty comment was because that's where his speech was done.

      October 12, 2012 at 8:19 pm |
    • realbuckyball

      Radio carbon dating is very useful for a certain range of dates, (when carbon was abundant). Beyond that, there are about 10-20 OTHER dating methods which do not rely on carbon. They all come up with the same approximate dates. (I'll list them if anyone wants.) The probability that they ALL would, AT THE SAME time agree, AND, ALL be wrong, is beyond a "google". (That' 10^ 100). The criticism that "oh the universe was not the same then", is invalid for the same reason for the opposite reason. It would mean, that at the time (supposedly), the universe was "different", they ALL would have to be WRONG, in the SAME way, to produce the observed result today. The probability of THAT is also astronomical.

      October 12, 2012 at 8:26 pm |
    • Rufus T. Firefly

      nottolate – "I haven't seen one evidence in the case of evolution"

      I am absolutely certain you have – you just haven't recognized it. Ever noticed your relatives look like you, but not exactly like you? That would be an absurd coincidence if everyone is a unique creation; however, it makes perfect sense in the light of evolutionary theory.

      October 12, 2012 at 8:28 pm |
    • nottolate

      @Hawaiiguest

      "Have you ever built a power plant? A hydroelectric dam? How about an airplane, or a car? If you haven't then according to your logic"

      Oh get real! You can see an airplane and drive a car. So that has nothing to do with my statement on evolution which leading authorities themselves call a mere theory. A car is not a theory nor is a plane. FAIL! Add to that if it were something more than a theory they'd have to call it fact. People like you who hate the thought of an omnipotent God are the ones running around calling it fact when even the experts haven't. Isn't it obvious what that says about you? It says you are willing to concoct and/or embrace any lie as an enemy of an omnipotent God. We know more about you than you know about yourselves. At least that stuff that really matters. Now quit wasting my time.

      October 12, 2012 at 8:30 pm |
    • nottolate

      "A single scientist with an agenda would be easily (and gleefully) exposed by his scientific brethren as a fraud."

      Really? You put far to much faith in man. Sinister men will go through any lengths to bring about their agenda.

      October 12, 2012 at 8:35 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @nottolate

      When you take an antibiotic, get a vaccination, those are all based on evolutionary theory. When you see two people with different hair, or eye colors, that's the result of evolution.

      Learn what a scientific theory is before you make an even bigger fool of yourself.

      October 12, 2012 at 8:37 pm |
    • Rufus T. Firefly

      Planes and cars both work according to the theory of gravitation – that's only a theory too. It gets old explaining what a theory is to the smugly ignorant, so I won't bother. Look it up if you are even mildly curious about the world.

      October 12, 2012 at 8:38 pm |
    • midwest rail

      Nonsense. The problem is you too easily label anyone who doesn't think exactly like you as "sinister".

      October 12, 2012 at 8:38 pm |
    • Rufus T. Firefly

      nottolate, what is this "agenda" that supposedly every scientist from every discipline from every country around the world is in on? Do they meet in a secret hollowed out mountain to organize and plan their conspiracy? Do they have a special task force focused on making up things to contradict the Bible?

      October 12, 2012 at 8:49 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @Rufus,

      perhaps he thinks that everyone with a degree in astrophysics or evolutionary biology is part of some secret voodoo society – imagined to be like Freemasons or even the Illuminati.

      October 12, 2012 at 9:16 pm |
    • Rufus T. Firefly

      I bet they have a super-cool, ultra-nerdy secret handshake.

      October 12, 2012 at 9:21 pm |
    • midwest rail

      @ Rufus – a cosmic high five ?

      October 12, 2012 at 9:25 pm |
    • Veritas

      Toolate. If you don't believe in evolution I presume you've only ever had one flu shot in your life (or will have only one in your life). You never seem to provide any substance just childish wordplay.

      October 12, 2012 at 11:51 pm |
  17. Sam Yaza

    lesson time

    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvKztNw5Mbc&w=640&h=390]

    October 12, 2012 at 5:06 pm |
    • End Religion

      thx for sharing. I knew of the Succubus and had heard of Lilith but not in this context.

      October 12, 2012 at 5:45 pm |
    • realbuckyball

      So the point is not whether this ends up in the Bible or not. The point is, that this is the sort of text that circulated, and was considered as authentic at the same time the Bible texts were circulating. It says a lot about Bible texts, in general, and the literary environment.

      October 12, 2012 at 8:12 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      Thanks Sam!

      October 12, 2012 at 9:43 pm |
  18. Sam Yaza

    more proof Lilith exist

    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXzuDXZwZtI&w=640&h=390]

    behold an Incubus the children of Lilith

    October 12, 2012 at 4:55 pm |
  19. Anybody know how to read?

    I found a Pew poll (no pun intended) stating that 97% of scientists 'believe' totally in human evolution and God had no part in it. Now how in the land of Oz could there be any serious peer reviews with those numbers? Looks like peer pressure funded by the gubmint. When is the last time you heard of a human gubmint that was concerned with truth?

    October 12, 2012 at 3:46 pm |
    • WS

      You made the jump from creationist to conspiracy theorist. Do you really believe all these scientist have a personal vendetta against creationism more than the facts prove evolution?

      October 12, 2012 at 3:49 pm |
    • Anybody know how to read?

      WS, I believe they like to eat.

      October 12, 2012 at 3:58 pm |
    • Al

      Wow normally when scientist believe in something in such high numbers its because it has so much data backing it. Must also be a conspiracy that they all believe in the heliocentric theory. Because I'm sure scientist don't want you to know the the sun really goes around the earth. And because it still a theory it must not be true like evolutionary theory.

      October 12, 2012 at 3:58 pm |
    • WS

      Uh…Want to clarify that statement?

      October 12, 2012 at 4:00 pm |
    • Al

      Also funded by the gubmint? I'm assuing government...which shows how crazy you are. Evolution is believed worldwide by all devoloped nations the only places that it is not is places like he middle east...places run by religion. Oh unless you believe that all the governments are working together to cover up the truth.

      @WS he means they would be fired or something and make no money there for they go with the majority so they can feed and pay for things

      October 12, 2012 at 4:14 pm |
    • Anybody know how to think

      So you're saying that the church is totally blinkered and will not see any other point of view?

      October 12, 2012 at 4:23 pm |
    • Anybody know how to read?

      You sure about that, Al? Do you consider Semites as being middle easterners? According to a different Pew poll, 77% Jewish and 45% Muslim 'believe' in evolution.

      October 12, 2012 at 4:28 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @Anybody etc,

      what Pew Poll are you talking about. Their data is nothing like 97%. It is 41% who believe neither in God nor a universal spirit.

      Here is the Pew data:

      http://www.pewforum.org/Science-and-Bioethics/Scientists-and-Belief.aspx

      What is consistent is that scientists are 10 times more likely to be atheists than the general population.

      It depends who you count as 'scientists'. Astrophysisists are much more likely to be atheists than chemists.

      October 12, 2012 at 4:33 pm |
    • WS

      Wasn’t George W. Bush a creationist? That kind of destroys your theory that the scientists actually believe that Creationism is a legitimate alternative to evolution.

      October 12, 2012 at 4:40 pm |
    • nojinx

      Are you suggesting that people who have beliefs cannot be scientifically objective? Or are you suggesting that people who do not believe that gods are connected to evolution cannot be scientifically objective?

      In either case, can you share your logic so we can understand how you reached you conclusion?

      October 12, 2012 at 4:45 pm |
    • Anybody know how to read?

      http://www.ocregister.com/articles/percent-342714-global-warming.html?graphics

      October 12, 2012 at 4:45 pm |
    • Anybody know how to read?

      WS, I never said that. I believe they don't care and like to eat. No upside to rockin' their ark for them.

      October 12, 2012 at 4:50 pm |
    • WS

      Couldn't the 97% believe in evolution as that is what the facts point to? Do you have anything to prove the point you're making.

      October 12, 2012 at 4:57 pm |
    • ME II

      @Anybody know how to read?,
      I'd bet that >97% of scientists "believe" the earth is not flat.
      I'd bet that >97% of scientists "believe" in gravity.
      etc.

      October 12, 2012 at 5:03 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      Here is @Anybody etc's mysterious Pew Data.

      And the number was 87%

      The full report can be found here:

      http://www.people-press.org/files/legacy-pdf/528.pdf

      Differences between Public and Scientists Go Beyond Evolution ...............Public ... Scientists
      Think that humans, other living things have evolved due to natural processes ... 32% ... 87%
      Think that earth is getting warmer because of human activity ............................. 49% ... 84%
      Favor use of animals in scientific research .......................................................... 52% ... 93%
      Favor federal funding for embryonic stem cell research ...................................... 58% ... 93%
      Favor building more nuclear power plants ............................................................ 51% ... 70%
      Say that all parents should be required to vaccinate their children ...................... 69% ... 82%

      October 12, 2012 at 6:11 pm |
    • Rational Libertarian

      In Western Europe, the number is probably 99.99%.

      October 12, 2012 at 6:51 pm |
  20. JohnC

    It's very hard to use the Bible as the sole authority for much. Even if God spoke his perfect word and people wrote it down (a big hard to prove IF) the Bible still has a major flaw - it is written in the flawed languages of humans. All human language is filled with ambiguities. How often have you talked to a friend and misunderstood not because he misspoke but because you missed some key bit of context. We have multiple meanings depending on context. We have figures of speech where some whole phrase is like a single word. As you cross cultures and time cultural context makes it harder and harder to fully understand. Now if the Bible had some special exemption then other than a few odd folks we would have near universal agreement on how to interpret it. But in fact we have many prayerful, studied, sincere people that have very different interpretations. Most are guided more by what their preacher tells them than based on some unbiased reading. Even among those that feel the Bible should be taken very literally (only a small percentage that believe the Bible is the Word of God) there are some notable disagreements. So who can say which is right. So I'd bet on whatever interpretation also fits with observations outside the Bible and that favors something less than literal.

    As for conspiracies of scientists trying to fool people, well you need to understand scientists better. They get their kicks from finding something new or disproving something old so rather than conspiracies they WANT to depart from their peers if they have enough evidence to make a name for themselves. Sure there likely are a few that with another agenda but most just want to discover something new.

    October 12, 2012 at 3:41 pm |
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