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October 12th, 2012
05:25 AM ET

Belief Blog's Morning Speed Read for Friday, October 12

By Arielle Hawkins, CNN

Here's the Belief Blog’s morning rundown of the top faith-angle stories from around the United States and around the world. Click the headlines for the full stories.

From the Blog:

CNN: Question on Catholicism, abortion, makes for dramatic moments in vice presidential debate
It was the first-ever debate between two Roman Catholics vying for a White House perch, and in Thursday’s face-off between Vice President Joe Biden and vice presidential nominee Paul Ryan, the question was put plainly: How does your faith shape your position on abortion? It’s one of the most divisive questions in American politics, and the query from debate moderator Martha Raddatz, asked near the end of the sole vice presidential debate, set the table for some of the night’s most personal and poignant moments.

CNN: Romney meets with evangelist Billy Graham
Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney met with evangelical icon Billy Graham for the first time on Thursday at the evangelist’s remote mountaintop home in North Carolina. Romney traveled to Graham’s residence in Montreat, just outside Asheville, to meet with Graham and his son Franklin Graham, a high-profile pastor in his own right.

CNN: Letting death happen, is it suicide?
Grace Sung Eun Lee is going to die. The 28 year old former bank manager has advanced terminal brain cancer. The once vibrant, athletic woman is now kept alive by machines which she wanted to turn off. However, her devoutly religious parents convinced her that she was effectively committing suicide, and that she would be condemned to hell. So she changed her mind.

CNN: Obama camp, liberal groups use VP debate to organize Catholic voters
As it organizes Catholic watch parties for Thursday night’s debate between Joe Biden and Paul Ryan, who are both Roman Catholic, the Obama campaign hasn’t been shy about suggesting that the GOP vice presidential nominee hasn’t lived up to his Catholic values.

Tweet of the Day:

Enlightening Reads:

Catholic News Agency/ EWTN News: At Year of Faith opening, Orthodox patriarch hopes for unity
Orthodox Christianity’s most significant bishop told Pope Benedict XVI that the Year of Faith should spur greater prayer, hope and effort towards the unity of their two Churches. “We join in the hope that the barrier dividing the Eastern Church and the Western Church will be removed, and that – at last – there may be but the one dwelling, firmly established on Christ Jesus, the cornerstone, who will make both one,” said the Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew I of Constantinople.

The Jerusalem Post: 1 in 6 US Jews seeks expression outside of shul
Some 1 million American Jews - or one in 6 - are actively seeking Jewish expression and engagement outside of synagogue life, according to a new study. The results of a study released by the Workmen’s Circle/Arbeter Ring break down the notion that American Jews either are affiliated with synagogues or have a Jewish identity that revolves around Jewish humor and food with little active connection to Jewish ritual and living.

Religion News Service: Judge: Billy Graham Evangelistic Association didn’t discriminate against black employee
A North Carolina judge has ruled the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association did not discriminate against a former black employee. Kimberly McCallum worked for the Charlotte, N.C.-based BGEA from 2003 to 2007 and filed suit in 2009.While working on a project to recruit campers for a BGEA program, McCallum said she found that only three of 635 churches identified for invitations were primarily black churches. About a week after expressing a concern about discrimination, McCallum was told her administrative assistant position would be eliminated due to "downsizing."

Chicago Tribune: More doctors honor religious objections to blood transfusions
But by the time Jehovah’s Witness Tracy Picket reached her mid-40s, scoliosis made every step excruciating. Walking again would require surgery that often involves tremendous blood loss and a transfusion — a medical procedure to replenish the blood supply forbidden by her church. "Even though I love life and I don't want to die, I want good medical care without blood," said Pickett, 49, of Crown Point, Ind. "If it got to that point, I would rather lose my life than disobey my creator and take a blood transfusion."

Quotes of the Day:

I don't see how a person can separate their public life from their private life or from their faith. Our faith informs us in everything we do. My faith informs me about how to take care of the vulnerable, of how to make sure that people have a chance in life. Now, you want to ask basically why I'm pro-life? It's not simply because of my Catholic faith. That's a factor, of course. But it's also because of reason and science.

– Republican vice presidential nominee Paul Ryan at yesterday’s vice presidential debate in Danville, Kentucky

My religion defines who I am, and I've been a practicing Catholic my whole life. And has particularly informed my social doctrine. The Catholic social doctrine talks about taking care of those who – who can't take care of themselves, people who need help. With regard to – with regard to abortion, I accept my church's position on abortion as a – what we call a (inaudible) doctrine. Life begins at conception in the church's judgment. I accept it in my personal life. But I refuse to impose it on equally devout Christians and Muslims and Jews, and I just refuse to impose that on others, unlike my friend here, the – the congressman.

– Vice President Joe Biden, at yesterday’s vice presidential debate in Danville, Kentucky.

Join the conversation…

CNN: Congressman draws fire for calling evolution, Big Bang ‘lies from the pit of hell’
A U.S. congressman is attracting attention and criticism for an online video that shows him blasting evolution and the Big Bang theory as “lies from the pit of hell” in a recent speech at a church event in his home state of Georgia. U.S Rep. Paul Broun, a medical doctor by training, serves on the House Committee on Science, Space and Technology.

- A. Hawkins

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soundoff (96 Responses)
  1. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things
    Proven

    October 15, 2012 at 5:56 am |
    • Jesus

      Prayer does not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!

      October 15, 2012 at 10:58 am |
    • hal 9001

      I'm sorry, "Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things", but everything you have ever asserted regarding atheism and prayer is unfounded. The degree to which your assertions may represent truths is 0.0. To help you understand the degree to which your assertions may represent truths, I will access my Idiomatic Expression Equivalency module (IEE). Using my IEE module, the expression that best matches the degree to which your assertions may represent truths is: "TOTAL FAIL".

      I see that you repeat these unfounded statements with high frequency. Perhaps the following book might help you overcome this problem:

      I'm Told I Have Dementia: What You Can Do... Who You Can Turn to...
      by the Alzheimer's Disease Society

      October 15, 2012 at 11:01 am |
    • .

      "Ronald Regonzo" who degenerates to:
      "truth be told" degenerates to:
      "The Truth" degenerates to:
      "Atheism is not healthy ..." degenerates to:
      "Dodney Rangerfield" degenerates to:
      "tina" degenerates to:
      "captain america" degenerates to:
      "Atheist Hunter" degenerates to:
      "Anybody know how to read? " degenerates to:
      "HeavenSent" degenerates to:
      "just sayin" degenerates to:
      "Kindness" degenerates to:
      "Chad" degenerates to
      "Bob" degenerates to
      "nope" degenerates to:
      "2357" degenerates to:
      "WOW" degenerates to:
      "fred" degenerates to:
      "!" degenerates to:
      "pervert alert"

      This troll is not a christian..

      October 16, 2012 at 11:15 am |
  2. Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

    Poor little Turd Top. I'm still getting a kick out of seeing these posts.

    What a hoot. Some moron who thinks it can interpret Scripture but doesn't know the difference between "gall" and "Gaul" and can't even figure out what const itutes a "pun" much less make one.

    It's truly gratifying to see a dumbazz get its due. Congrats, Turdy! You're the tops of the bottoms.

    October 14, 2012 at 9:20 pm |
    • truth be told

      Seems like everyone got the pun but you, now that is really pathetic.

      October 15, 2012 at 5:58 am |
  3. Bob

    Robert Brown and fred, re this "god" of yours, why can't it get with the times and produce its own website, and push some tweets out? It can't reasonably expect smart people to believe in it based on an nth translation of a thousands of years -old self-contracdictory mishmash of fables that the bible represents.

    October 14, 2012 at 9:26 am |
  4. Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

    Here, stupid:
    pun   [puhn] Show IPA noun, verb, punned, pun·ning.
    noun
    1.
    the humorous use of a word or phrase so as to emphasize or suggest its different meanings or applications, or the use of words that are alike or nearly alike in sound but different in meaning; a play on words.
    2.
    the word or phrase used in this way.

    October 13, 2012 at 6:19 pm |
  5. Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

    Definition of GALL

    1
    a : bile; especially : bile obtained from an animal and used in the arts or medicine
    b : something bitter to endure
    c : bitterness of spirit : rancor
    2
    : brazen boldness coupled with impudent assurance and insolence

    -
    Gaul   [gawl] Show IPA
    noun
    1.
    an ancient region in W Europe, including the modern areas of N Italy, France, Belgium, and the S Netherlands: consisted of two main divisions, one part S of the Alps (Cisalpine Gaul) and another part N of the Alps (Transalpine Gaul).
    2.
    Latin, Gallia. a province of the ancient Roman Empire, including the territory corresponding to modern France, Belgium, the S Netherlands, Switzerland, N Italy, and Germany W of the Rhine.
    3.
    an inhabitant of the ancient region of Gaul.
    4.
    a native or inhabitant of France.

    _________

    Just in case anyone missed it the first time.

    October 13, 2012 at 6:17 pm |
    • Snarky Bear

      Thanks Tom Tom!!! Wow, you are the greatest human being of all time!!! It must give you such delight to point out minor idiotic things to other idiots. You must have a really exciting and demanding life seeing how you spend nearly 20 hours a day on this blog. Ha!!!!

      October 13, 2012 at 6:21 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Do you have trouble telling time, too, Xerxes? Apparently you need to order a Judy clock to help you figure out how to do that, too.

      How sad that your hero is Turd be Tooled. Oh, wait, you're one and the same, aren't you?

      October 13, 2012 at 6:25 pm |
  6. Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

    I hope Turd be Tooled's friends and family will help him understand that he needs to get an education and grow a brain before he attempts to use words he doesn't understand:
    Definition of GALL

    1
    a : bile; especially : bile obtained from an animal and used in the arts or medicine
    b : something bitter to endure
    c : bitterness of spirit : rancor
    2
    : brazen boldness coupled with impudent assurance and insolence

    -
    Gaul   [gawl] Show IPA
    noun
    1.
    an ancient region in W Europe, including the modern areas of N Italy, France, Belgium, and the S Netherlands: consisted of two main divisions, one part S of the Alps (Cisalpine Gaul) and another part N of the Alps (Transalpine Gaul).
    2.
    Latin, Gallia. a province of the ancient Roman Empire, including the territory corresponding to modern France, Belgium, the S Netherlands, Switzerland, N Italy, and Germany W of the Rhine.
    3.
    an inhabitant of the ancient region of Gaul.
    4.
    a native or inhabitant of France.

    October 13, 2012 at 6:00 pm |
    • truth be told

      Oops missed our reply key did we tom tom.

      October 13, 2012 at 6:04 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Not at all, fvcktard. I wanted to make sure this was the first thing anyone here saw.

      It worked. You bit.

      Poor fvcktard.

      October 13, 2012 at 6:15 pm |
    • truth be told

      You bit on the pun first and are still stuck on it.

      October 13, 2012 at 8:40 pm |
  7. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things

    October 13, 2012 at 2:46 pm |
    • MORE BAD NEWS than GOOD NEWS HERE

      I prayed you would stop making a fool of your god.
      We all see how that worked out.

      October 13, 2012 at 5:37 pm |
    • Marvin Skmulch's Accordion of Doom and Polka Changes Things!

      Proven

      October 13, 2012 at 5:52 pm |
    • truth be told

      @morebadnews etc
      The only prayer God would hear from you is the sinners prayer of repentance. After you have been born again you will be free to talk to God on many subjects. Opposing prayer will not be on the agenda.

      October 13, 2012 at 5:54 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      When are you going to admit your sin of ignorance and beg forgiveness for pretending to know what you were blathering about, Turd be Tooled? Here it is, just in case you missed it before:
      Definition of GALL

      1
      a : bile; especially : bile obtained from an animal and used in the arts or medicine
      b : something bitter to endure
      c : bitterness of spirit : rancor
      2
      : brazen boldness coupled with impudent assurance and insolence

      ---
      Gaul   [gawl] Show IPA
      noun
      1.
      an ancient region in W Europe, including the modern areas of N Italy, France, Belgium, and the S Netherlands: consisted of two main divisions, one part S of the Alps (Cisalpine Gaul) and another part N of the Alps (Transalpine Gaul).
      2.
      Latin, Gallia. a province of the ancient Roman Empire, including the territory corresponding to modern France, Belgium, the S Netherlands, Switzerland, N Italy, and Germany W of the Rhine.
      3.
      an inhabitant of the ancient region of Gaul.
      4.
      a native or inhabitant of France.

      --

      Apologize now or be scorned as you deserve, azzhole.

      October 13, 2012 at 5:57 pm |
    • no one gives a sh it

      What you have to say tom.

      October 13, 2012 at 5:59 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Except for you, you pathetic little turd.

      October 13, 2012 at 6:01 pm |
    • truth be told

      I do not care tom, the pun was already explained to you. If you are too dense to see it TS.

      October 13, 2012 at 6:01 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      If you think that was a "pun," you azzwipe, then you need to look up the word "pun," as well as the words "gall" and "Gaul."

      I suggest you get busy doing so.

      October 13, 2012 at 6:17 pm |
    • Fluffy the Gerbil of Doom

      Fluffy cares what tom tom says.
      Proven wrong.

      October 13, 2012 at 6:42 pm |
    • hal 9001

      I'm sorry, "Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things", but everything you have ever asserted regarding atheism and prayer is unfounded. The degree to which your assertions may represent truths is 0.0. To help you understand the degree to which your assertions may represent truths, I will access my Idiomatic Expression Equivalency module (IEE). Using my IEE module, the expression that best matches the degree to which your assertions may represent truths is: "TOTAL FAIL".

      I see that you repeat these unfounded statements with high frequency. Perhaps the following book might help you overcome this problem:

      I'm Told I Have Dementia: What You Can Do... Who You Can Turn to...
      by the Alzheimer's Disease Society

      October 13, 2012 at 6:58 pm |
    • no one gives a sh it

      What fluffy or any of the other tom aliases has to say either.

      October 13, 2012 at 8:41 pm |
    • LinCA

      @no one gives a sh it

      You said, "What fluffy or any of the other tom aliases has to say either."
      I give a shit.

      October 13, 2012 at 8:52 pm |
    • Fluffy the Gerbil of Doom

      Sorry.
      Tom tom is not Fluffy.
      Fluffy is Bucky Ball's gerbil, (of doom), and a member of Bippy's insurgent rodent army. Get your sh1t. straight please.

      Fluffy needs a better exercise wheel. Who would like to be chairperson of Fluffy's Capital Campaign ? Bucky is a health/exercise nut, and he won't feed me much. I only get raisins and seeds. Please call the ASPCA, and report him. He has been reported to Rodent Protection before. It's high time they crack down.

      October 13, 2012 at 9:14 pm |
    • no one gives a sh it

      how much fluffy or tom whine.

      October 13, 2012 at 9:16 pm |
    • no one gives a sh it

      what tom alias fluffy alias linca says

      October 13, 2012 at 9:16 pm |
    • Fluffy the Gerbil of Doom

      Well. Jeebus loves me, this I know.
      Cuz my mommy tole me so.

      October 13, 2012 at 9:18 pm |
    • nope

      @fluf...
      nope

      October 13, 2012 at 9:20 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

      French publisher Dargaud announces a new issue of The Adventures of Asterix the Gaul, entitled "Asterix Disputes the Bible"

      Albert Uderzo discovered in the collected papers of his longtime collaborator, René Goscinny, the outline of an as-yet unpublished story of Asterix the Gaul. In it, Asterix and his friend Obelix travel to Roman occupied Palestine with hilarious results. M. Uderzo says "I was amazed to find this old story outline. It was remarkably well developed. It was like working with René once more. I hope people enjoy Asterix's latest adventure."

      M. Goscinny died in 1977. M. Uderzo has continued to publish the Adventures of Asterix the Gaul after Goscinny's death.

      "Asterix Disputes the Bible" will be available soon.

      [Reposted. This is a parody, in case anyone missed it.]

      October 13, 2012 at 9:23 pm |
    • snopes says

      nope to nope

      October 13, 2012 at 9:23 pm |
    • Fluffy the Gerbil of Doom

      Interesting.
      Bucky was writing a paper today about the Persian Imperative. Ezra, (the Prophet), arrived also back from Exile in Babylon, with two things in his hands, in 457
      1. A letter from King Artacerxes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artaxerxes_I_of_Persia , giving him power to organize the government, and rebuild the temple.
      2. The Torah, (scroll) of Moses. For THE first time in human history, the first five books of the Bible appeared, in as an assembled, (from the many known sources) Torah, and it just happened to "appear" with the priests from Exile. (*cough cough). Ezra organized, that Fall, a festival on the river bank, to introduce it, and "say" what he wanted it to be.
      Stay tuned for more rodent Bible Study.

      October 13, 2012 at 9:48 pm |
    • Fluffy the Gerbil of Doom

      oops...that was 457 BCE.
      (crap). Now Bucky won't let me into the chocolate covered raisins.

      October 13, 2012 at 9:50 pm |
  8. I know where your God in now!

    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzhwWw8tqxE&w=640&h=390]

    October 12, 2012 at 7:06 pm |
  9. I found out where your God is now!

    Busy guy!

    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5cMqJInyAM&w=640&h=390]

    October 12, 2012 at 3:50 pm |
    • Where is your God now?

      This one had a copyright issue and has been removed by me. Try the new one up above.

      October 12, 2012 at 7:10 pm |
  10. Bob

    Really, Robert Brown, re this "god" of yours, why can't it get with the times and produce its own website, and push some tweets out? It can't reasonably expect smart people to believe in it based on an nth translation of a thousands of years -old self-contracdictory mishmash of fables that the bible represents

    October 12, 2012 at 3:26 pm |
    • William Demuth

      Well actually Bob, in MANY ways the thing we call God may be the equivalent of a computer virus that infects human beings.

      Some modification of it's programing.

      And it's definetly malicious code!

      October 12, 2012 at 3:59 pm |
    • realbuckyball

      I'm not sure it's "malicious" exactly. We, (Evolutionary Psych) do know why it's there, and what purpose it served, but getting it out, or doing a "work around" is proving to be a bit meddlesome.
      (see Steven Pinker's and Andy Thompson's vids on YouTube).

      October 12, 2012 at 4:12 pm |
    • realbuckyball

      But come on. Think about it. We already have part-machine/part-biological bodies. The other day, IBM revealed it had a chip that could learn. We have nano-tech interfaces with nerves. We all have vast library size extended memories with Google "Drives" in our iPods. When the chips are implanted, 100,000 years from now, anyone who actually thinks that what some dude in far-off way ancient Mesopotamia did or said, might be anything other than an answer to an ancient multiple-choice history test quest, is deluding themself.

      October 12, 2012 at 4:18 pm |
    • Kevin

      The atheists don't care that they are the malignant virus in society.

      October 13, 2012 at 10:38 am |
    • MORE BAD NEWS than GOOD NEWS HERE

      Kevin wants to be left alone to molest the little boys.

      October 13, 2012 at 5:40 pm |
  11. William Demuth

    Question of the day # 2 (because it is dead as a door nail here!)

    We all know some who have changed faiths, but they usually switch to a different "flavor" of the same God.

    What is the most radical change you have seen? What about that you can imagine?

    I have seen lots of soft shifts in the center (Like Lutheran to Catholic) and soft shifts on the fringe (Like Wiccan to what the lady now calls Spiritual Humanisim)

    I think leaving religion (Becoming an Atheist) is still far more common than say from Mormon to Hassidic? From Buddist to Scientologist?

    Do you agree?

    October 12, 2012 at 1:55 pm |
    • realbuckyball

      Excellent question.
      Atheism to Igtheism, or Apatheism.
      Atheism is rejected, because it's a reactionary stance to the nonsense god(s) of others.
      Igtheism says there is no coherent definition of a god seen, (yet), and Apatheism, since why would anyone care about discussing that which is not definable.

      October 12, 2012 at 2:03 pm |
    • Meatwad

      I was dragged to church against my will one time. After that I converted to Judaism cuz I like to eat kosher.

      October 12, 2012 at 2:12 pm |
    • William Demuth

      AH Bucky, always the hopefull type!

      Alas I suspect something less pleasent.

      In a world where we have HUGE populations begining to emerge into the realm of social media and high tech communications, I am profoundly concerned about a possibility of some emergent cult catching on in the third world.

      Imagine charachters like Jim Jones or Charles Manson magnified with the power of technology turned loose on unsuspecting and poorly educated people.

      With the old USSR having collapsed, and huge numbers of people in places like Burma and China finally getting hooked up to the online world, I suspect we shall see many new "proto-faiths" develop over the next 25 years or so.

      With the speed of communication now possible, one of these may spread a meme at light speed.

      Frankly, I fear the results.

      October 12, 2012 at 2:48 pm |
    • William Demuth

      I am curious.

      Can anyone estimate how quickly a religion can spread?

      Has technology speed this rise or slowed it?

      Will increasing technology spread religions faster, or empower existing religions to hold on longer?

      October 12, 2012 at 2:52 pm |
    • Bob

      So, Robert Brown, re this "god" of yours, why can't it get with the times and produce its own website, and push some tweets out? It can't reasonably expect smart people to believe in it based on an nth translation of a thousands of years -old self-contracdictory mishmash of fables that the bible represents

      October 12, 2012 at 3:25 pm |
    • realbuckyball

      Bill, you may be right. The lack of education is astounding. Most a-theists know more about the cults, (especially the Christian cult), than it's own adherents. Just last night, sitting in a group at a charity meeting, this fool said " can I offer a prayer", out of the blue. I thought,, "this is bullsh1t". So I said, "is there a bathroom anywhere nearby ?", and left while they did their prayer thingy.

      Actually we probably remain a-theists with respect to the positions of theists, (we dismiss those claims), (as a position with respect to others), while holding Igtheism/Apatheism as a position for ourselves.

      October 12, 2012 at 3:43 pm |
    • Probably AvdBergism to RanierBraendleinism
      October 12, 2012 at 4:37 pm |
  12. William Demuth

    Having spent my life watching the downward slope of Christianity it has always been my belief that Atheisim would replace it. Alas, I suspect that is wishfull thinking on my part.

    Thus the QUESTION OF THE DAY!!!!!!

    If Christianity has peaked and is on a downward trajectory, then what other religions shall be ascendant?

    The Muslim's, the Mormons?

    Whats the next big faith? Scientology? Wiccanisim?

    Who will wield the power and the money in a hundred years?

    Or are we really at the begining of the end of all organized religion?

    October 12, 2012 at 10:57 am |
    • Probably AvdBergism or RanierBraendleinism
      October 12, 2012 at 11:23 am |
    • filthy hinduism

      .

      October 12, 2012 at 11:39 am |
    • HeavenSent Army

      HeavenSent is even now on the march. Join today!

      [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mq6FsOCdadI&w=640&h=390]

      October 12, 2012 at 11:40 am |
    • Robert Brown

      Christianity is way over due for a major nationwide even worldwide revival. There have been several great ones in history, but nothing huge since the 19th century. We had some small regional or local revivals in the 20th century, but nothing like what is needed. Revival starts with individuals. If all believers would repent and pray we could see one now. Without it things will definitely get worse.
      2 Chronicles 7:14, “If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.”

      October 12, 2012 at 12:25 pm |
    • 24 Hour Crisis Center

      Exactly what Robert Brown said only the complete opposite.

      October 12, 2012 at 12:44 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      Hello Robert,

      My ways are not particularly wicked, so I was wondering what I need to repent from. Does my unbelief qualify as wickedness? I remember Mark 9:24. I've offered such a prayer before – to dead air it seems.

      October 12, 2012 at 12:48 pm |
    • === o ===

      lmao – 24 Hr.'s response.

      October 12, 2012 at 12:57 pm |
    • William Demuth

      Robert

      I knew a Zoroastrian (Yes they really do still exist!) who had been waiting on their revival for 73 years.

      Upon his death his son buried him in a Christian grave yard.

      So wehn you finally die, would you prefer Muslim or Mormon procedures be perfomed on your corpse?

      October 12, 2012 at 1:17 pm |
    • realbuckyball

      "If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.”

      Fascinating. "Called by my name" indeed.
      Isra-EL, (which, translates to "walks with EL"), is an absolute refutation of any possible divine origin of that text. El, (or El Elyon) was the chief of the Babylonian myth system's council of gods, (Yahweh was one of his 70 sons). The name was ubiquitous as a place name, and a proper name, (Beth-el, and for example Micha-el, and Rapha-el). SO the Sumerian roots are immediately obvious of the whole gigantic pile of crap. Then we have the anthropomorphized god, with ears, who "acts" in space time, and exists in space, ("in heaven").

      Just amazing. No modern human who has taken Physics 101, (or Comparative Mythology), could ever take that childish nonsense seriously. But it is fascinating to observe humans who actually do hold in their minds that it actually holds some measure of reality.

      October 12, 2012 at 1:23 pm |
    • Robert Brown

      Tom, Tom, the Other One,
      Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief. I think the wickedness here is all sin and unbelief is definitely a sin. I have also prayed it, as recently as last week. Faith is attainable, but perfect faith is what you are talking about, which is faith with never a doubt. I have yet to obtain perfect faith.

      October 12, 2012 at 1:26 pm |
    • realbuckyball

      We're all being buried with our gramps and grans in a Catholic cemetery. We told the stupid priest we were practicing Catholics. Oh yes we are. NOT. They are so stupid they have no clue.

      October 12, 2012 at 1:27 pm |
    • Robert Brown

      William Demuth,
      Neither, but thanks for asking.

      October 12, 2012 at 1:28 pm |
    • realbuckyball

      tom tom,
      Not to worry. Jeebus tole ya : "Many are called, but few are chosen", and "No one shall come to me, unless the Father draw him". So as you can see, the Father is busy with his drawings, and pencils, and if he doesn't get around to, capriciously drawing you, (and apparently he hasn't), you can just skip the crap, and you are not one of the chosen. And St. Paul tole THEM, that only the saved have eternal life, so, even they, (although most are to dumb to realize it), don't REALLY believe the unsaved are going ta hell, (way down dere). :)

      October 12, 2012 at 1:33 pm |
    • Robert Brown

      Realbuckyball,
      Unfortunately, I haven’t studied mythology. Are you certain of who borrowed what from whom? Does your Sumerian influence reign supreme because their writings were the fortunate ones to survive time?

      October 12, 2012 at 1:41 pm |
    • Robert Brown

      Realbuckyball,
      I do believe that the father must draw you to him by his holy spirit, but you can certainly put yourself in a more reachable position by hearing the word of God, because that is how faith is obtained. Seek and you will find.

      October 12, 2012 at 1:45 pm |
    • realbuckyball

      No Robert. YOU, (as opposed to Jesus), are saying that the ONLY possible outcome of the "seeking" is YOUR outcome. A seriously legitimate, honest "search" would leave room for the finding of a position which you do not agree with.
      YOU are saying, only one outcome is possible. That is not a "search". (It's also not the traditional position of Classical Christian Theology). It IS the position of American Evangelical Fundamentalism. They are NOT the same.

      October 12, 2012 at 1:54 pm |
    • Alien Orifice

      You should have seen the look on Father O'Sullivan's face at my daughter's Batism when I told him I was not Catholic, and that I was an atheist. He wasn't sure if he should proceed and my in-laws were speechless.

      October 12, 2012 at 2:00 pm |
    • Towelie

      If you are going to ruin your daughter's babtism, don't forget to bring a towel!

      October 12, 2012 at 2:02 pm |
    • Robert Brown

      Realbuckyball,
      It is not his will that any perish, but you are correct some do. I wasn’t trying to oppose, just being hopeful and optimistic.

      October 12, 2012 at 2:18 pm |
    • lunchbreaker

      Isn't Christianity supposed to be a minority according to itself? The narrow road and all.

      October 12, 2012 at 2:34 pm |
    • Stewart

      You wish Christianity hit it's peek. Reality is it is still strong and growing more each day. Why? Because most folks love searching for Jesus' truth, not like you juveniles that wallow in your sins like the pigs you are.

      October 12, 2012 at 2:57 pm |
    • Bob

      Robert Brown, re this "god" of yours, why can't it get with the times and produce its own website, and push some tweets out? It can't reasonably expect smart people to believe in it based on an nth translation of a thousands of years -old self-contracdictory mishmash of fables that the bible represents

      October 12, 2012 at 3:26 pm |
    • Sue

      Hey, Steward, seems all you can do is fling insults at others such as calling other posters pigs, since you don't have anything to support your Jeebus case. You have no case to make, so you insult non-believers – how typically Christian of you. What's next from you, witch burning?

      October 12, 2012 at 3:30 pm |
    • realbuckyball

      It may be growing in the US, but in really advanced countries, like the Northern European countries, it is not growing.
      The entire bullsh1t of "salvation" has been exposed as biblical "goof", and a misunderstanding of Genesis. Jesus never said HE was the CONTENT of his preaching. He said "come, follow me", NOT "come worship me". He was TURNED INTO the *content* of "Christianity", (by Saul of Tarsus).

      October 12, 2012 at 3:34 pm |
    • Kevin

      Ironic Bucky that you atheists are written throughout the bible. You loose.

      October 13, 2012 at 10:41 am |
    • MORE BAD NEWS than GOOD NEWS HERE

      Kevin
      Try harder.

      October 13, 2012 at 5:39 pm |
  13. Meatwad

    I couldn't sleep last night ya'll. Kept thinkin' about Carl's body hair cuz he has more than me.

    October 12, 2012 at 9:24 am |
    • William Demuth

      Sarah Palin does as well I understand.

      October 12, 2012 at 9:26 am |
    • Meatwad

      I like Sarah Palin, she has nice glasses.

      October 12, 2012 at 9:35 am |
    • 0G-No gods, ghosts, goblins or ghouls

      Great t!ts too. probably her best, maybe only azzet.

      October 13, 2012 at 1:24 am |
  14. niknak

    Morning all.
    It's gonna be a beautiful day, and weekend, without god(s).

    October 12, 2012 at 8:52 am |
    • William Demuth

      AH, that sucks!

      Me and Apollo were gonna shoot hoops.

      Athena looks SMOKIN in gym shorts!

      October 12, 2012 at 9:16 am |
  15. Tom, Tom, the Other One

    "I don't see how a person can separate their public life from their private life or from their faith." I was impressed by the honesty with which Paul Ryan admitted his inadequacy as a public servant. Perhaps Romney will make a similar admission, make a more-or-less graceful exit, and we can get on with building a secular Government under the second Obama administration.

    October 12, 2012 at 8:37 am |
    • Rufus T. Firefly

      That comment struck me the same way. If he doesn't know how to separate his private life and faith from his politics, he is not suited to be in politics.

      October 12, 2012 at 9:03 am |
    • William Demuth

      Well, Ryan is certainly no JFK!

      I had tried to paste in Jack's famous speech, but the filter is blocking it :(

      October 12, 2012 at 9:25 am |
    • mama k

      Yes, I felt the same way. Plus this Ryan just seem greener than a young string bean.

      October 12, 2012 at 10:08 am |
    • OTOH

      William,

      I think this is the JFK speech to which you are referring:

      http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=16920600

      (p.s. maybe the words 'att.itude', 'susp.icion', and 'const.itution', etc. prevented it from posting)

      October 12, 2012 at 1:55 pm |
  16. Jackie Jac

    (Chicago Tribune: More doctors honor religious objections to blood transfusions)

    The Bible has nothing to say about whether a Christian should accept a blood transfusion,only that blood should not be eaten. Jehovah's Witnesses take this literal interpretation and then dogmatically apply it to a medical procedure.
    If a Witness decides that their conscience will allow them to receive blood, then they are shunned and excommunicated from every friend, family member, and JW church in the whole world, until they die.
    Something's not right with a religion that does that!

    October 12, 2012 at 7:33 am |
    • Mirosal

      They will NOT let you celebrate your birthday either. Now THAT is messed up!!!

      October 12, 2012 at 7:41 am |
    • Jackie Jac

      Transfusion confusion.
      Jehovah's Witnesses doctrine allows a liver transplant but not the blood that is in it.
      Jehovahs Witnesses DO take blood products now in 2012.
      They take all fractions of blood.This includes hemoglobin, albumin, clotting factors, cryosupernatant and cryo-poor too, and many, many, others.
      If one adds up all the blood fractions the JWs takes, it equals a whole unit of blood. Any, many of these fractions are made from thousands upon thousands of units of donated blood.
      Jehovah's Witnesses now accept every fraction of blood except the membrane of the red blood cell. JWs now accept blood transfusions.
      The fact that the JW blood issue is so unclear is downright dangerous in the emergency room.
      More than 50,000 Jehovah's Witnesses dead from Watchtowers deadly arbitrary blood ban,some estimates run as high as 100,000 dead

      October 12, 2012 at 8:00 am |
    • WASP

      @jac: well if we give it long enough they will go extinct and their theology will fade into mythology. :) see there are happy days ahead.

      October 12, 2012 at 9:23 am |
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