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Question on Catholicism, abortion, makes for dramatic moments in vice presidential debate
October 12th, 2012
12:01 AM ET

Question on Catholicism, abortion, makes for dramatic moments in vice presidential debate

By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor

Washington (CNN) – It was the first-ever debate between two Roman Catholics vying for a White House perch, and in Thursday’s face-off between Vice President Joe Biden and vice presidential nominee Paul Ryan, the question was put plainly: How does your faith shape your position on abortion?

It’s one of the most divisive questions in American politics, and the query from debate moderator Martha Raddatz, asked near the end of the sole vice presidential debate, set the table for some of the night’s most personal and poignant moments.

“I don't see how a person can separate their public life from their private life or from their faith,” said Ryan. “Our faith informs us in everything we do.”

“My religion defines who I am,” said Biden. “I’ve been a practicing Catholic my whole life.”

But the two men took very different tacks on applying their faith to the abortion issue. Ryan said his religion – combined with “reason and science” – led him to oppose legalized abortion, and that “the policy of a Romney administration is to oppose abortion with exceptions for rape, incest and the life of the mother.”

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Ryan recalled when he and his wife, Janna, saw the ultrasound of their firstborn child, Liza. “We saw that heartbeat – a little baby was in the shape of a bean,” he said, noting that they still called their daughter “Bean” and saying he believes that “life begins at conception.”

“With respect to abortion, the Democratic Party used to say they wanted it to be safe, legal and rare,” Ryan continued. “Now they support it without restriction and with taxpayer funding … that to me is pretty extreme.”

Biden said he accepted his church’s anti-abortion position – “life begins at conception in the church’s judgment” – but that he refused to impose that view on “equally devout Christians and Muslims and Jews.”

“The next president will get one or two Supreme Court nominees,” Biden said. “That’s how close Roe v. Wade is. … Do you think (Romney is) likely to appoint someone like Scalia or someone else on the court far right that would outlaw abortion? I suspect that would happen.”

Both men also used the question on abortion and Roman Catholicism to pivot to other issues, with Ryan saying the Obama White House is “infringing on Catholic charities, Catholic churches, Catholic hospitals” presumably because of a new rule requiring insurers to provide free contraception coverage for virtually all American employees.

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Before answering the abortion question, Biden said his Catholicism has “informed my social doctrine … about taking care of those who can’t take care of themselves, people who need help.”

The Obama campaign and liberal Catholic groups used the debate to organize Catholic watch parties and to argue that Ryan’s proposed budget in the House of Representative ran counter to Catholic values.

About one in four American voters is Catholic, though there is such a broad range in Catholic political concerns and voting habits that many political experts reject the notion of a cohesive Catholic bloc.

Catholics have voted with the winning presidential candidate in every election since the early 1990s.

Obama camp, liberal groups use VP debate to organize Catholic voters

In 2008, Obama beat John McCain among Catholics by 54% to 45%. In 2004, John Kerry – the first Catholic nominee for president since John F. Kennedy – lost the Catholic vote to George W. Bush, provoking Democrats to take Catholic outreach more seriously.

Both major parties had America’s highest-profile Catholic cleric, New York Archbishop Timothy Dolan, give the closing prayer at their recent political conventions.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: 2012 Election • Abortion • Catholic Church • Joe Biden • Paul Ryan • Politics

soundoff (1,543 Responses)
  1. niknak

    It's another beuatiful day without god(s).

    October 14, 2012 at 12:01 pm |
  2. John Thomas Tolbert

    Romney is making a big comeback in the polls. The Lord is going to work a miracle in November, and this country will at last rediscover its moral compass.

    October 14, 2012 at 12:40 am |
    • End Religion

      you just had 8 years of Bush and all we got was war and financial ruin. With Obama we have begun to recover. What sort of "moral compass" are you looking to return to?

      October 14, 2012 at 1:21 am |
    • Ronald Regonzo

      An end to the murder of unborn children, an end to the obama-nation of ho mo se xual marriage, an end to the unconsti tutional ban on school prayer, an end to the obama-nation of trying to separate a man from his beliefs, an end to those who are not delightsome ruining the country, an end to the long wait for justice in death penalty cases, an end to the losers known as the middle class, either kings (Republicans) or drones(democrats)an end to easy treatment of terror suspects in Guantanamo, an end to Iran and North Korea and anyone else who opposes America. An end to targeting our ambassadors and getting away with it. And we will go on and on ! Romney / Ryan 2012

      October 14, 2012 at 8:15 am |
    • Anybody know how to read?

      Ain't no president gonna save nobody. Three negatives are still negative.

      October 14, 2012 at 8:16 am |
    • === o ===

      The only kind of "trickle-down" that actually works:

      "John Thomas Tolbert degenerates to:
      "Ronald Regonzo" degenerates to:
      "truth be told" degenerates to:
      "Atheism is not healthy ..." degenerates to:
      "Dodney Rangerfield" degenerates to:
      "tina" degenerates to:
      "captain america" degenerates to:
      "just sayin" degenerates to:
      "nope" degnerates to:
      "WOW" degnerates to:
      "!" degenerates to:
      "pervert alert" or "...." where he writes such lovely posts as "QUE ERS THE ONES WHO GAVE AIDS TO AMERICA"
      and many other names, but of course I prefer to refer to this extreme homophobe as
      the disgruntled Evangelical Fortune Cookie Co. writer boot camp flunkie.

      October 14, 2012 at 11:14 am |
    • End Religion

      @RonRebozo: "An end to the murder of unborn children"

      Undone bun ain't a done bun. You simply can't command control of someone else's body.

      ***
      "an end to the obama-nation of ho mo se xual marriage"

      You want unborn children to have more rights than a homosexual adult? Where's your compassion now? Jesus was gay, why would you deny him marriage? Don't you think that'd upset His daddy?

      ***
      "an end to the unconsti tutional ban on school prayer"

      You can pray. It just belongs in the toilet with other wasteful stuff. So run into the bathroom and quietly wish god changes his plans for you.

      ***
      "an end to the obama-nation of trying to separate a man from his beliefs"

      People trying to help you break free from your delusion will continue. Aside from this friendly act, no one is attempting to force you to not believe.

      ***
      "an end to those who are not delightsome ruining the country"

      You'll have to be more specific. Maybe you aren't being specific because you know it's not something jesus would OK?

      ***
      "an end to the long wait for justice in death penalty cases"

      You want the unborn to have more rights than an adult because you think life is sacred, but you want actual human adults to die quickly because you're angry at them? You're aware that supposedly only god should pass judgement? You're also aware your book of rules doesn't say "though shalt not kill unless an earthly judge has passed that sentence onto someone"? You are justifying murder, right beneath the nose of a god that has supposedly commanded you otherwise.

      ***
      "an end to the losers known as the middle class"

      LOL, you are aware how a society works, right? If the poor have nothing to aspire to you will only have revolt. You are hoping for the collapse of America?

      ***
      "either kings (Republicans) or drones(democrats)"

      I see now. The 2-party system is more of a caste system. You're hoping America goes more toward an India style of existence? Why don't you just come out and say it. Make some signs that say "America should be like India" and wave them at your next convention.

      ***
      "an end to easy treatment of terror suspects in Guantanamo"

      ....because we all know jesus never preached about peace and love or turning the other cheek.

      ***
      "an end to Iran and North Korea and anyone else who opposes America. An end to targeting our ambassadors and getting away with it. And we will go on and on ! Romney / Ryan 2012"

      Of course now you're just being preposterous. I understand you believe in magic but we simply can't fight the entire world. We can barely fight one country at a time.

      October 14, 2012 at 2:19 pm |
  3. Reality

    Only for the new members of this blog:

    Read it over slowly and carefully as it might save a life.

    Proceeding to the real issues:

    Only for the new members of this blog:

    The reality of se-x, abortion, contraception and STD/HIV control: – from a guy who enjoys intelligent se-x-

    Note: Some words hyphenated to defeat an obvious word filter. ...

    The Brutal Effects of Stupidity:

    The failures of the widely used birth "control" methods i.e. the Pill (8.7% ACTUAL failure rate) and male con-dom (17.4% ACTUAL failure rate) have led to the large rate of abortions and S-TDs in the USA. Men and women must either recognize their responsibilities by using the Pill or co-ndoms properly and/or use safer methods in order to reduce the epidemics of abortion and S-TDs.- Failure rate statistics provided by the Gut-tmacher Inst-itute. Unfortunately they do not give the statistics for doubling up i.e. using a combination of the Pill and a condom.

    Added information before making your next move:

    from the CDC-2006

    "Se-xually transmitted diseases (STDs) remain a major public health challenge in the United States. While substantial progress has been made in preventing, diagnosing, and treating certain S-TDs in recent years, CDC estimates that approximately 19 million new infections occur each year, almost half of them among young people ages 15 to 24.1 In addition to the physical and psy-ch-ological consequences of S-TDs, these diseases also exact a tremendous economic toll. Direct medical costs as-sociated with STDs in the United States are estimated at up to $14.7 billion annually in 2006 dollars."

    And from:

    Consumer Reports, January, 2012

    "Yes, or-al se-x is se-x, and it can boost cancer risk-

    Here's a crucial message for teens (and all se-xually active "post-teeners": Or-al se-x carries many of the same risks as va-ginal se-x, including human papilloma virus, or HPV. And HPV may now be overtaking tobacco as the leading cause of or-al cancers in America in people under age 50.

    "Adolescents don’t think or-al se-x is something to worry about," said Bonnie Halpern-Felsher professor of pediatrics at the University of California, San Francisco. "They view it as a way to have intimacy without having 's-ex.'" (It should be called the Bill Clinton Syndrome !!)

    Obviously, political leaders in both parties, Planned Parenthood, parents, the "stupid part of the USA" and the educational system have failed miserably on many fronts.

    The most effective forms of contraception, ranked by "Perfect use":

    - (Abstinence, 0% failure rate)
    – (Masturbation, mono or mutual, 0% failure rate)

    Followed by:

    One-month injectable and Implant (both at 0.05 percent)
    Vasectomy and IUD (Mirena) (both at 0.1 percent)
    The Pill, Three-month injectable, and the Patch (all at 0.3 percent)
    Tubal sterilization (at 0.5 percent)
    IUD (Copper-T) (0.6 percent)
    Periodic abstinence (Post-ovulation) (1.0 percent)
    Periodic abstinence (Symptothermal) and Male condom (both at 2.0 percent)
    Periodic abstinence (Ovulation method) (3.0 percent)

    Every other method ranks below these, including Withdrawal (4.0), Female condom (5.0), Diaphragm (6.0), Periodic abstinence (calendar) (9.0), the Sponge (9.0-20.0, depending on whether the woman using it has had a child in the past), Cervical cap (9.0-26.0, with the same caveat as the Sponge), and Spermicides (18.0).
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    October 14, 2012 at 12:27 am |
    • chitowngal08

      And what is your proposal to stop the rampant disease and pregnancies?

      October 14, 2012 at 12:21 pm |
    • Reality

      As noted above:

      "Men and women must either recognize their responsibilities by using the Pill or co-ndoms properly and/or use safer methods in order to reduce the epidemics of abortion and S-TDs."

      October 15, 2012 at 12:01 am |
  4. Atheism is not unhealthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes underwear.

    October 14, 2012 at 12:21 am |
    • niknak

      You are a fool if you believe that.
      Prayer changes nothing, it just wastes time.

      October 14, 2012 at 12:02 pm |
    • nope

      @nik...
      nope

      October 14, 2012 at 12:47 pm |
    • HeavenSense

      Hi Prayerbot...

      October 14, 2012 at 1:03 pm |
  5. Captain Gibson

    A vote for Romney is also a vote for God. Romney/Ryan 2012!

    October 14, 2012 at 12:07 am |
    • creepy suzette

      Actually – it's a couple of different gods, plus some free different angels and junk. It's a hard deal to pass up!

      October 14, 2012 at 12:16 am |
    • niknak

      And when you die, you will get your own planet, some virgin wives, all the gold you want, fresh apple pie made by your grandmother, get to play with your favorite dog and get to shoot many powerful guns.
      Heaven is gonna be fun!!!!

      Got a question for you though, who is going to control the remote?

      October 14, 2012 at 12:04 pm |
    • chitowngal08

      No, I think God is in the poor camp, the elderly camp, the disadvantaged camp. Certainly not with the wealthy. We already saw what Jesus thought of that.

      October 14, 2012 at 12:22 pm |
    • === o ===

      The only kind of "trickle-down" that actually works:

      "Captain Gibson" generates to:
      "Ronald Regonzo" degenerates to:
      "truth be told" degenerates to:
      "Atheism is not healthy ..." degenerates to:
      "Dodney Rangerfield" degenerates to:
      "tina" degenerates to:
      "captain america" degnerates to:
      "just sayin" degenerates to:
      "nope" degenerates to:
      "WOW" degenerates to:
      "!" degenerates to:
      "pervert alert" or "...." where he writes such lovely posts as "QUE ERS THE ONES WHO GAVE AIDS TO AMERICA"
      and many other names, but of course I prefer to refer to this extreme homophobe as
      the disgruntled Evangelical Fortune Cookie Co. writer boot camp flunkie.

      October 14, 2012 at 12:39 pm |
  6. Competely New Blogger II

    I think all of you should go find a Bible and read the 139 psalm...

    October 13, 2012 at 11:19 pm |
    • creepy suzette

      what kind of Bible? And who is this "you" you are speaking of?

      October 13, 2012 at 11:27 pm |
    • OTOH

      You could read "Ode to a Nightingale" or hear the song "The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face" (and many, many others) and find similar instances of authors who wax rhapsodic.

      Psalms were written as poetry and songs allegedly by King David (or members of his court, who assigned the credit to him).

      October 13, 2012 at 11:33 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5TwT69i1lU&w=640&h=390]

      October 13, 2012 at 11:41 pm |
    • creepy suzette

      [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPiy2PP1hmM&w=640&h=390]

      October 13, 2012 at 11:57 pm |
  7. Theism is not healthy for anyone with a functioning brain

    Rational thought changes things.

    October 13, 2012 at 10:04 pm |
  8. Ronald Regonzo

    It is the beginning of the end of baby homicide in America. Romney / Ryan 2012

    October 13, 2012 at 9:13 pm |
    • julie

      The only kind of "trickle-down" that actually works:

      "pervert alert" degenerates to:
      "Ronald Regonzo" degenerates to:
      "truth be told" degenerates to:
      "Atheism is not healthy ..." degenerates to:
      "Dodney Rangerfield" degenerates to:
      "tina" degenerates to:
      "captain america" degnerates to:
      "just sayin" degenerates to:
      "nope" degenerates to:
      "2357" degenerates to:
      "WOW" degenerates to:
      "!" degenerates to:
      "."
      and many other names, but of course I prefer to refer to this homophobe as
      the disgruntled Evangelical Fortune Cookie Co. writer boot camp flunkie.

      October 13, 2012 at 9:26 pm |
    • thecollegeadmissionsguru

      IF and a big IF Romney wins, it will be the beginning of the end of freedom for this country. Women will no longer have the right to control their own bodies. The Christian FAR Right will exact their toll for supporting the ticket AND that will include taking away our civil rights. Women's rights, gay rights – forget it.

      October 13, 2012 at 9:29 pm |
    • Rational Libertarian

      Yahweh loves infanticide. If anything, Christians should support abortion.

      October 13, 2012 at 9:32 pm |
    • Rational Libertarian

      What about economic rights college?

      October 13, 2012 at 9:32 pm |
    • 0G-No gods, ghosts, goblins or ghouls

      Believers have 70+% of the abortions in the USA. Why DI you believe they will follow their cult's rules more if Romney is president?

      October 14, 2012 at 2:18 am |
    • TR6

      My goodness you're stupid. Didn't you notice that didn't work out too well during the Bush administration (all 3 of them). As a matter of fact none of your religious fantasies came true then and none of them will come true now, even if the god squad is elected.

      October 14, 2012 at 5:03 pm |
  9. === o ===

    The subconscious mind controls everything you do when you are sleeping and when you are awake.

    October 13, 2012 at 7:48 pm |
    • Kenny Powers

      Wow. You are clearly the dumbest faqqot of all time.

      October 13, 2012 at 7:51 pm |
    • thecollegeadmissionsguru

      Hey Kenny, I appreciate your intent, but your ho mophobic slur, NOT COOL

      October 13, 2012 at 8:52 pm |
    • pervert alert

      If you mean qu eer say qu eer, its more respect than all those pillow biters deserve. Qu eers the people who gave the world AIDS

      October 13, 2012 at 9:12 pm |
    • save the world and slap some sense into a christard today!

      The only kind of "trickle-down" that actually works:

      "Kenny Powers" degenerates to:
      "pervert alert" degenerates to:
      "Ronald Regonzo" degenerates to:
      "truth be told" degenerates to:
      "Atheism is not healthy ..." degenerates to:
      "Dodney Rangerfield" degenerates to:
      "tina" degenerates to:
      "captain america" degnerates to:
      "just sayin" degenerates to:
      "nope" degenerates to:
      "2357" degenerates to:
      "WOW" degenerates to:
      "!" degenerates to:
      "."
      and many other names, but of course I prefer to refer to this h0mophobe as
      the disgruntled Evangelical Fortune Cookie Co. writer boot camp flunkie.

      October 13, 2012 at 9:19 pm |
    • thecollegeadmissionsguru

      @Pervert, you are crass and ignorant. I know you are just looking for attention, but this is pitiful.

      October 13, 2012 at 9:25 pm |
    • pervert alert

      The Truth hurts doesn't it college boy. Qu eers the folks who gave the world AIDS.

      October 14, 2012 at 7:29 am |
    • midwest rail

      Always a good day when we get to be entertained by the inane and delusional ramblings of the pervert.

      October 14, 2012 at 7:59 am |
  10. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things .

    October 13, 2012 at 7:48 pm |
    • hal 9001

      I'm sorry, "Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things", but everything you have ever asserted regarding atheism and prayer is unfounded. The degree to which your assertions may represent truths is 0.0. To help you understand the degree to which your assertions may represent truths, I will access my Idiomatic Expression Equivalency module (IEE). Using my IEE module, the expression that best matches the degree to which your assertions may represent truths is: "TOTAL FAIL".

      I see that you repeat these unfounded statements with high frequency. Perhaps the following book might help you overcome this problem:

      I'm Told I Have Dementia: What You Can Do... Who You Can Turn to...
      by the Alzheimer's Disease Society

      October 13, 2012 at 7:59 pm |
    • Simple facts

      This guy post the same thing constantly. I remember seeing him months back spamming the same post and never defending them. I'm pretty sure it's to attract posters like you.

      October 13, 2012 at 8:06 pm |
    • truth be told

      Truth is never ever spam.

      October 13, 2012 at 9:10 pm |
    • Poltergeist

      No, posting the same line 500 times a day is as spam as it gets.

      October 13, 2012 at 9:16 pm |
    • nope

      @poultryguest
      nope

      October 13, 2012 at 9:18 pm |
    • nope

      @poultryguest
      nope

      October 13, 2012 at 9:18 pm |
    • nope

      @poultry...
      nope

      October 13, 2012 at 9:19 pm |
    • snopes says

      nope to nope

      October 13, 2012 at 9:21 pm |
    • nope

      @snopes
      nope

      October 13, 2012 at 9:22 pm |
    • nope

      @snoops
      nope

      October 13, 2012 at 9:22 pm |
    • snopes says

      nope to nope

      October 13, 2012 at 9:24 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      I keep wondering why @nope and @tbt and @no one gives a sh it seem to appear right after the prayer-bot ...

      Of course I know some who will gleefully mention 'sock puppet'.

      October 13, 2012 at 9:30 pm |
    • truth be turd

      I am an idiot of miraculous proportion

      October 13, 2012 at 11:51 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Indeed, Turd, you are, no matter how many screen names you use.

      October 14, 2012 at 12:03 pm |
    • TR6

      Yes, we all saw well prayer worked for Bachman and Santorum

      October 14, 2012 at 5:05 pm |
  11. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    pRAYER CHANGES THINGS .

    October 13, 2012 at 7:47 pm |
    • Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

      Prayer changes things .

      October 13, 2012 at 7:47 pm |
    • Kenny Powers

      Way to correct yourself. For a moment there, you looked like an idiot.

      October 13, 2012 at 7:49 pm |
    • nope

      @keny...
      nope

      October 13, 2012 at 7:50 pm |
    • snopes says

      nope to nope

      October 13, 2012 at 7:58 pm |
    • hal 9001

      I'm sorry, "Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things", but everything you have ever asserted regarding atheism and prayer is unfounded. The degree to which your assertions may represent truths is 0.0. To help you understand the degree to which your assertions may represent truths, I will access my Idiomatic Expression Equivalency module (IEE). Using my IEE module, the expression that best matches the degree to which your assertions may represent truths is: "TOTAL FAIL".

      I see that you repeat these unfounded statements with high frequency. Perhaps the following book might help you overcome this problem:

      I'm Told I Have Dementia: What You Can Do... Who You Can Turn to...
      by the Alzheimer's Disease Society

      October 13, 2012 at 8:00 pm |
    • Theen Allah Fat Mullah (the original hinduism source.....)

      A little bit of luck changes things.

      October 13, 2012 at 8:19 pm |
    • Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

      Prayer changes things
      Proven

      October 13, 2012 at 9:14 pm |
  12. Sue B

    I think the debate went well for Biden

    October 13, 2012 at 7:27 pm |
    • Tom, Tom the Piper's Son

      Correct me if I am wrong, idiot, but sentences usually have these little dots at the end called periods. Duh!! Moron. I strangely feel better about myself now for pointing that out. You are welcome.

      October 13, 2012 at 7:30 pm |
    • Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

      Congrats Tommy. You have really found a great little niche here. Pointing out very minor typos or grammatical errors to bloggers must be very redeeming. I bet your parents are proud of you and look forward to you moving out of their basement at some point.

      October 13, 2012 at 7:34 pm |
    • === o ===

      Lol. Tom's little shadow poster who picks a new name with every post (Dr. Kenneth Noisewater).

      October 13, 2012 at 7:38 pm |
    • The Octagon

      The path to self realization lies in trapanization.

      October 13, 2012 at 7:47 pm |
    • Rational Libertarian

      If Sue had said the same thing about Ryan, the real Tom would probably have posted something very similar.

      October 13, 2012 at 7:49 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Well, that was quite entertaining. Watching the troll answer its own posts using my name and then responding with yet another sock puppet. Thanks for the laughs, TubeTop.

      I was having dinner downtown with my husband at a lovely restaurant while you were home writing all these whines.

      October 14, 2012 at 12:05 pm |
  13. Towelie

    If you are going to get splooge on your face, remember to bring a towel! Gosh, these jokes sure are hard to compose. And fresh, too. That episode is very recent. Witty. Intelligent. Humor.

    October 13, 2012 at 7:15 pm |
    • Towelie

      You don't have to get mad.

      October 13, 2012 at 7:17 pm |
  14. Where is your God now?

    Towelie–How many times are you going to tell the same stupid joke? Besides, didn't that episode come out like ten years ago? Stop using meth.

    October 13, 2012 at 7:09 pm |
    • Where is your God now?

      I'm so high right now, I don't even know what's goin' on. You are kind of angry for a teenager Snarky/Random/Poop/Where/24/Dong/New/etc. Why so angry? Wanna get high?

      October 13, 2012 at 7:12 pm |
  15. Where is your God now?

    The dog chews the condom with fury. The steam drips from the isolated bleachers. My posts. Are they supposed to be funny? No one knows. I only know they are horrible and stupid.

    October 13, 2012 at 7:06 pm |
    • Where is your God now?

      You are at a German “sparkle party”. You are wearing your party pants. You are ready to dancy dance. It is a hard-core German sparkle party and you are wearing your rubber boots. The music is pulsating and it feels good to dance. You notice a familiar face standing at the bar. You dance over to her as fancy as you please in your polished rubber boots. You bend low to smell her perfume and say hello. It is your father.

      October 13, 2012 at 7:07 pm |
    • Poop Face

      Grand Slam!!! Four stars!!! Another hilarious post. You should quit your job at wendy's and become a stand up comedian. Really funny stuff. Really.

      October 13, 2012 at 7:10 pm |
    • Where is your God now?

      Poop is always funny. Well played.

      October 13, 2012 at 7:26 pm |
  16. Completely New Blogger

    The reviews are in!! No you likes you Tom Tom. I'm guessing no one likes you in the real world either, seeing how you spend the vast majority of your life on this blog, contributing nothing but sarcastic grammatical corrections. You should apply that same harsh criticism to your own existence, as pitiful as it is.

    October 13, 2012 at 6:56 pm |
    • 24 Hour Crisis Center

      I like Tom Tom.

      October 13, 2012 at 7:01 pm |
    • Where is your God now?

      Tom Tom just ripped you a new one. Where is your God now?

      October 13, 2012 at 7:02 pm |
    • Towelie

      If you are going to get a new one ripped by Tom Tom, don't forget to bring a towel!

      October 13, 2012 at 7:02 pm |
    • Meatwad

      I think Tom Tom is a nice lady ya'll. She completes me.

      October 13, 2012 at 7:03 pm |
    • Alien Orifice

      Tom Tom has kicked my ass many times. I deserved it. She is great.

      October 13, 2012 at 7:04 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Completely New Blogger, you and Tom Tom, *cough* Scotty will enjoy an eternity in hell while your own personal worms eat your fat drippings.

      October 13, 2012 at 7:05 pm |
    • Rational Libertarian

      Tom, Tom is a moron. I bet she's creaming at all this attention, whice is precisely her goal.

      October 13, 2012 at 7:06 pm |
    • Sports Fan

      I am reminded of the time the New York Yankees expressed their dislike for A-Rod.

      October 13, 2012 at 7:06 pm |
    • CS

      I think she's cool.

      October 13, 2012 at 7:13 pm |
    • Ungodly Discipline

      I have never seen her smack anyone who didn't deserve it.

      October 13, 2012 at 7:14 pm |
    • HeavenSense

      Hi Tom Tom.

      Hi Troll-bot.

      October 13, 2012 at 7:16 pm |
    • mfsbt

      She admitted herself that to her this is just a parlor game, no interest in being anything but rude and hurtful, then when she feels like she has hit a nerve, she claims victory another notch on her belt. – what victory that in her cowardice someone is hurt? She could care less and says so> Like a true narcissist, with no ability for empathy, when confronted on anything they retort with rage and woundding. And yes unfortunately we have given her the forum and attention she craves......
      What she fails to see is we really pity her....

      October 13, 2012 at 7:17 pm |
    • Father O'blivion

      Aye, she be a foin lassy indeed. Hoist another cold beer and pass the pancakes!

      October 13, 2012 at 7:19 pm |
    • ChristianMingle.com

      She is alright for an atheist.

      October 13, 2012 at 7:20 pm |
    • Dr. Donnel Johnson

      Her lack of knowledge of the Gnostic Gospels not withstanding, I find Tom Tom to be a smart cookie indeed.

      October 13, 2012 at 7:21 pm |
  17. Where is your God now?

    You wake up feeling amazing with Marie next to you. She finally spent the night. You can make out the curve of her buttocks beneath the thin sheet. Your groin reacts and you press against her, fitting neatly in the begging crevice. She smells like flowers and honey. You throb with anticipation and she moans in anticipation. You reach for a condom, but realize to your dismay that your dog is busy chewing and has something stuck in his teeth…

    October 13, 2012 at 6:43 pm |
    • Poop Face

      Another great post by Captain Fvcktard!! Great material. Do you usually start off with this or do you go right into the on stage analingus with your mother?

      October 13, 2012 at 7:13 pm |
    • Where is your God now?

      Why so angry? I love you so much.

      October 13, 2012 at 7:24 pm |
  18. Rational Libertarian

    'The' worst.

    October 13, 2012 at 6:27 pm |
  19. 2357

    False prophets abort churchgoers before they are reborn in Christ. Their false witness accounts for many atheists in the west. Many of them will not be in heaven. This is a greater tragedy than killing babies. But don't get me wrong – infanticide is also pretty evil, especially if the mother and father are complicit. While many murders can be forgiven, those who bear false witness about Christ are in an unforgiven state.

    October 13, 2012 at 6:25 pm |
    • Holiest Person Ever

      Two things. Christ was a faqqot. Abortions are really funny.

      October 13, 2012 at 6:27 pm |
    • Rational Libertarian

      Infanticide is evil. So Yahweh is an evil mofo, taking Abraham, the Egyptian first borns and his own son into account.

      October 13, 2012 at 6:30 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @2357

      " Their false witness accounts for many atheists in the west."

      Bwaaa Haa Haa. Funny, I really like that one.

      But of course Henry Kissinger* said it best: "Everything loose rolls west."

      * I can't find an immediate reference to this other than Apollo Computer chairman Thomas Vanderslice saying "In this country, everything loose rolls to the West Coast."

      October 13, 2012 at 6:32 pm |
    • 2357

      Yahweh ordained death to all flesh. But he redeems some of us through his flesh-born blood oath. And I'm grateful, because he didn't have to do that. At all.

      October 13, 2012 at 6:41 pm |
    • 24 Hour Crisis Center

      @2357

      I am guessing you know very little about the Pagan origins of the blood sacrafice adopted by Christianity. the doctrine of transubstantiation does not even date back to the Last Supper. And it is gross too. Ewwwww.

      October 13, 2012 at 6:51 pm |
    • Les Too

      Biblical quote clearly shows what the minor mountain storm deity called "Yahweh" thinks about babies:

      "Happy the man who shall seize and smash your little ones against the rock!" (Psalms 137:9, New American Bible)

      - does this sound like a "loving" father to you?

      October 13, 2012 at 6:52 pm |
    • 2357

      The first blood sacrifice is performed by God in the garden, in order to obtain a hide to clothe Adam and Eve's genitaIs.
      Yahweh kills and burns every being who even thinks a bad thought about him. He decimates descendants, babies, creatures and even the elements, in a "fervent heat". His wrath is a supernova.

      October 13, 2012 at 7:24 pm |
    • Simple facts

      I don't mind abortions, it might help reduce certain populations to a more manageable size, without the usual fuss of war. It's about the only way you can curtail population growth without the usual backlash that might come from other methods.

      Don't mind those pro-lifers, go for it. You're not ready for a baby.

      October 13, 2012 at 7:51 pm |
    • End Religion

      Scrupulosity - "some scrupulosity sufferers are preoccupied with thoughts of numbers that have religious significance, certain foods forbidden by their religion, or perceived-to-be-immoral behaviors"

      Are those prime numbers still haunting you, 2357?
      http://suite101.com/article/ocd-scrupulosity–mental-disorder-of-religious-preoccupation-a327906

      October 14, 2012 at 12:36 am |
    • Poltergeist

      He might just enjoy math on the side.

      October 14, 2012 at 11:57 am |
  20. Snarky Bear

    Tom Tom the Ignoramus is here!!! Hooray!!! I love reading your posts. Always a delightful admixture of harsh judgement and flat humor, Tom Tom never ceases to amaze and befuddle readers. Thank you for existing.

    October 13, 2012 at 6:04 pm |
    • 24 Hour Crisis Center

      @Snarky

      Tom Tom must have really got under your skin at some point, as is obvious in your irrational criticism. She is actually very nice, though admittedly she has a very low tolerance for poor grammar and spelling errors. It’s funny and that is what we love about her. She will probably rip me for this post. That is Tom Tom!

      October 13, 2012 at 6:17 pm |
    • Snarky Bear

      Tom Tom is a brilliant human being with a lot of things going on in her life. That is why she spends roughly 20 hours a day on this blog, usually contributing nothing insightful or intelligent, but taking pleasure in correcting grammatical errors of other idiots. That is a life to be proud of.

      October 13, 2012 at 6:26 pm |
    • Rational Libertarian

      Tom, Tom is worst person on this blog, with the possible exception of Atheism is.

      October 13, 2012 at 6:27 pm |
    • Rational Libertarian

      That should be 'the' worst.

      October 13, 2012 at 6:28 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Snarky, honey, if my posts are so upsetting to you, don't read them. It's as simple as that. And it's 'judgment' unless you're Canadian or British, dear.

      October 13, 2012 at 6:28 pm |
    • 2357

      Tom Tom is a frustrated writer who has difficulty grasping wit and irony. She always asserts her mastery of details and technicalities, but she has an almost compulsive revulsion for the big picture. And yes, I agree that her attempt at humor is downright pitiful.

      October 13, 2012 at 6:34 pm |
    • Holiest Person Ever

      This Tom Tom person does come off as an arrogant moron. I'm sure his parents are proud that he spends a majority of his life correcting spelling errors on some insignificant blog and then gaining self esteem from doing so. What a genius.

      October 13, 2012 at 6:40 pm |
    • Random Blogger

      Does anyone here other than 24 hour (Tom Tom's "Sock Puppet") like Tom Tom's idiotic comments? I highly doubt it.

      October 13, 2012 at 6:44 pm |
    • 2357

      Tom Tom is actually a grown up, believe it or not. Although I do picture her as a hoodied squatter teen living in a mildewy basement, somewhere cold and dank.

      October 13, 2012 at 6:45 pm |
    • Al

      The blog wouldn't be the same without Tom Tom. Lighten up Snacky.

      October 13, 2012 at 6:49 pm |
    • === o ===

      Uhh – does anyone suspect "Holiest Person Ever" and "Random Blogger" to be the same person perhaps?? Hmm?? I know I do.

      October 13, 2012 at 6:49 pm |
    • Dirt Rider

      A lot of dislike for this "Tom Tom" character. He does come off as insulting.

      October 13, 2012 at 6:51 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @Tom Tom The Piper's Son is well capable of fighting her own battles.

      She is quick to pounce on the bigotry of believers who want to fight marriage equality or a woman's right to choose.

      And yes, she likes to point out spelling mistakes. We all make typographical errors from time to time, but she is always keen to pick on those who:
      1. don't know how to spell the words they choose,
      2. don't bother to look up how to spell words before they use them, or
      3. appear to be too ignorant to try.

      October 13, 2012 at 6:51 pm |
    • 24 Hour Crisis Center

      @=== o ===

      Holiest Person Ever is some kid who has been posting today as holiest, me, some dong thing and a couple of other things.

      October 13, 2012 at 6:54 pm |
    • Completely New Blogger

      I look forward to a civilized discourse on serious topics when I come to this blog. Unfortunately, idiot trolls like Tom Tom and 24 Hour Lame Center ruin it for everyone with their terrible posts that lack both insight and humor. El terrible!!

      October 13, 2012 at 6:59 pm |
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