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Billy Graham site removes Mormon 'cult' reference after Romney meeting
Mitt Romney meets Thursday with the Rev. Billy Graham and his son Franklin Graham.
October 16th, 2012
02:53 PM ET

Billy Graham site removes Mormon 'cult' reference after Romney meeting

By Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

(CNN) - Shortly after Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney enjoyed cookies and soft drinks with the Rev.  Billy Graham and his son Franklin Graham on Thursday at the elder Graham's mountaintop retreat, a reference to Mormonism as a cult was scrubbed from the website of the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association.

In a section of the website called Billy Graham's My Answer there had been the question "What is a cult?"

Answer: "A cult is any group which teaches doctrines or beliefs that deviate from the biblical message of the Christian faith."

"Some of these groups are Jehovah's Witnesess, Mormons, the Unification Church, Unitarians, Spritualists, Scientologists, and others," the site continued.

No longer. On Tuesday, the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association confirmed that page has recently been removed from the site.

“Our primary focus at the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association has always been promoting the Gospel of Jesus Christ," Ken Barun, chief of staff for the association, told CNN in a statement. "We removed the information from the website because we do not wish to participate in a theological debate about something that has become politicized during this campaign."

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Romney is a lifelong member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, members of which are known as Mormons.

The information about cults can be found on cached sections of the website on Archive.org from June 5, 2010.

The theological question of where Mormons fit on the religious spectrum has drawn more attention because of Romney's candidacy. Mormons consider themselves to be strong Christians. Many traditional Christian denominations disagree, though rank-and-file members have their own views on the matter.

The removal of the post from the Graham group's website was first noted by the New Civil Rights Movement website and then later by the Asheville Citizen-Times, which reported that the information on cults was accessed as recently as Thursday afternoon.

Last week's meeting between Romney and Graham was their first.

After the 30 minute sit-down in Montreat, North Carolina, just outside Asheville, Romney campaign spokesman Rick Gorka told reporters that Billy Graham led a prayer for the Romneys, saying "I'll do all I can to help you. And you can quote me on that."

The evangelist who has been called America's pastor and has prayed with every American president since Harry Truman said in a statement following the meeting that "It was a privilege to pray with Gov. Romney — for his family and our country."

Graham met with President Barack Obama in 2010 and with Sen. John McCain when he was the presumptive Republican presidential nominee in 2008.

"I will turn 94 the day after the upcoming election, and I believe America is at a crossroads," Graham's statement continued. "I hope millions of Americans will join me in praying for our nation and to vote for candidates who will support the biblical definition of marriage, protect the sanctity of life and defend our religious freedoms."

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When asked about Graham's beliefs about Mormonism, Graham spokesman A. Larry Ross said in a statement that "Through an inclusive evangelistic ministry spanning more than 60 years, Mr. Graham was called to preach the transformative message of the Gospel to the whole world, regardless of one’s religious background, affiliation or none. As such, he never proselytized, targeted or labeled specific people, groups, faiths or denominations.

"Neither did Mr. Graham attempt to divide his audience before he had opportunity to preach to them. He has a genuine love for all people, and faithfully proclaimed the love of God to everyone, providing opportunity for them to respond by making a faith commitment.

"Mr. Graham’s calling is not to pass judgment, but to proclaim the biblical truth that Jesus is the only way to heaven, allowing every individual and group to fall along that plumb line," the statement went on.

"He further stressed that salvation is the work of Almighty God, and that only He knows what is in each human heart," the statement said.

The Southern Baptist Convention, the nation's largest Protestant denomination, lists the LDS Church as a theological cult.  The Catholic Church also does not recognize Mormon baptisms as being theologically compatible with its own.

The LDS Church has long bristled at being called a cult.  Mormons note the many similarities and overlap between their teachings and that of other churches but point to their belief in other scriptures like the Book of Mormon as the reason they split with other churches.

In the 2012 campaign Romney has been generally quiet about his church, though his role as a lay church leader was prominently featured in the Republican National Convention, and his campaign has allowed members of the press pool accompanying Romney to film him attending services.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Belief • Billy Graham • Christianity

soundoff (4,065 Responses)
  1. You_Forgot

    I wonder what Romney had to give away to Graham to get Mormon removed from the list of cults. Probably promised to make Graham his chief of staff or something even better.

    October 17, 2012 at 12:48 pm |
    • Ameri2010

      You have it mixed up. Obama paid Rev. Wrong off and then criticized his racist rev. for wanting to tell the truth. Obama asked him why he just couldn't lie.

      October 17, 2012 at 12:49 pm |
    • Rod

      Probably gave him a good deal on the Book of Morman so he could teach sundy school with them and tell all the children about how Mormans can have two and three wives, how placks are the cursed of the earth. Oh, I forgot, probably what to teach them how to lie through with a sincere face after you get caught on tape expressing your true belief that 47% of the American public are a bunch of nobodies that are just lookinjg for a handout and how his job as President is not wo worry about them. I just wonder why Billy Graham found his message so endearing.

      October 17, 2012 at 1:05 pm |
  2. Ameri2010

    To RomneyMormonTruth:

    Fact Check You Asked For:

    Barack knows what it means to be a black man to be living in a country and a culture that is controlled by rich white people. Hillary can never know that. Hillary ain't never been called a n-–.

    The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color. The government lied.

    God damn America

    Why didn't CNN report on Obama's choice of religion and his beliefs?

    FACT: Obama paid Rev. Wrong to keep his mouth shut during his campaign.

    Answer: LIBERAL MEDIA BIAS

    I'd rather sit in Romney's church any day than sit in a church that Obama sat in for over 20 years

    October 17, 2012 at 12:47 pm |
    • doughnuts

      Sorry, but they won't let you in.

      October 17, 2012 at 12:49 pm |
    • Ameri2010

      Apparently you missed the point, doughnuts.

      October 17, 2012 at 12:52 pm |
    • souptwins

      Doughnuts is wrong. You and any respectful person is welcome to attend an LDS Church for Sunday services anytime you wish. There's a sign outside every one stating "Visitors Welcome". Feel free to look up where the local Mormon church is in your area and attend if you wish. Please, just be a respectful guest.

      October 17, 2012 at 12:58 pm |
    • Rod

      You sir are an idiot. I wonder if your mother had any children that were not born retarded?

      October 17, 2012 at 1:07 pm |
  3. palintwit

    It must be absolute hell to wake up in the morning, look in the mirror and realize you're Sarah Palin. If it was me, I'd drive over to the nearest deli and stick my head in a bread slicing machine.

    October 17, 2012 at 12:47 pm |
    • You_Forgot

      Well, I really hate to be the one to break the news to you but here it goes. You may not look like Sarah Palin, but you sure sound like her. And you are just as witty as she is. So, you must be Sarah Palin. You know what you must do.......

      October 17, 2012 at 12:53 pm |
    • Rod

      No, I wouldn't want to wake up being Sarah Palin, but I wouldn't mind waking up inside Sarah Palin. Of course, I would have to put something in her mouth so she couldn't talk. ;)

      October 17, 2012 at 1:15 pm |
  4. Brett

    If anyone on this post has questions about the actual beliefs of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints,
    check out http://www.mormon.org!

    October 17, 2012 at 12:47 pm |
    • Eric G

      Thank you for the reference Brett, but what I would prefer is for you to present any verifiable evidence that what the Mormons believe is, in fact, true.

      The problem with "belief" without supporting evidence is that it requires no discipline, and accepts no responsibility for discriminatory practices.

      October 17, 2012 at 12:52 pm |
    • .not

      No comparison intended but,
      For more information about the KKK, go to the source, http://www.kkk.com.

      October 17, 2012 at 12:53 pm |
    • souptwins

      Eric– Belief requires faith which takes quite a bit of effort, actually. Some people want to receive answers to spiritual questions with scientific evidence. It's like using a thermometer to tell time. Anyone– including you– can read scripture, ponder, pray, and receive spiritual confirmation of the true of spiritual matters if you do so with an honest heart. Maybe that would be too work for you but it's not a lazy process.

      October 17, 2012 at 1:04 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @Souptwins
      It does indeed take a great deal of effort to suspend rational thinking and engage in the double-think needed to accept dogmatic, rote answers to life's difficult questions.
      Sometimes reality intrudes on even the most pleasant delusion and the only way to keep day dreaming is to lie to oneself.

      October 17, 2012 at 1:07 pm |
    • Eric G

      As always, well said Doc.

      October 17, 2012 at 1:21 pm |
    • Aaron

      I'd recommend this website instead, its everything mormons DONT want you to know about their cult.
      http://www.exmormon.org

      October 17, 2012 at 2:21 pm |
  5. Candy

    WHAT A SUCK UP!

    October 17, 2012 at 12:46 pm |
  6. READ the Article

    People – READ the article before you launch into your judgmental spiel. "Mr. Graham’s calling is not to pass judgment, but to proclaim the biblical truth that Jesus is the only way to heaven (Jn 14:6), allowing every individual and group to fall along that plumb line. . ." "He further stressed that salvation is the work of Almighty God, and that only He knows what is in each human heart," the statement said. Sounds like a Matthew 7 approach to me.

    Don't judge. While Graham isn't espousing Mormonism, he's not condoning it either. Obviously, if the dialog were about true salvation and the means thereof, there'd be a different discussion between the Grahams and Romney. CNN is famous for spin doctoring, especially on faith issues. Don't be duped – do your homework.

    October 17, 2012 at 12:45 pm |
    • ME II

      "Mr. Graham’s calling is not to pass judgment..."

      So why exactly was he calling these groups cults in the first place?

      October 17, 2012 at 12:48 pm |
    • Emma in Baltimore

      2 Cor. 11:12-14
      And I will keep on doing what I am doing in order to cut the ground from under those who want an opportunity to be considered equal with us in the things they boast about. For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.

      October 17, 2012 at 12:49 pm |
    • Really?

      You should read the article as well. It was a FAQ answer from Mr Graham himself, he meets with Romney and now it's removed. It's that simple, he already judged it (Mormonism) and has chosen to remove his judgement from the site after meeting with Gov Romney. Who knows why but it's clear that he no longer believe Mormonism is a cult, therefore condoning it.

      October 17, 2012 at 12:50 pm |
    • Rod

      Stop making excuses for the guy. He named them a cult and then resended it for political purposes. I bet the two had never met before that meetings. Why didn't he resends the Jehovahs Witnesses, Why not resend the budist, Resend David Karish group, how about Jim Jones? That's why people hate religion, its the double standard hypocritic junk that goes on. Billy, what do you stand for now? You just lost all my respect and admiration for you. Your lifes body of work is forever tarnished. Your son's Franklin, was tarnished long ago.

      October 17, 2012 at 12:54 pm |
    • mama k

      "Emma" keeps spewing stuff from the self-proclaimed "apostle" Paul of the NT. Did you know that we have no more credible proof that Paul actual had a visit from a higher power than we have that Joseph Smith had a visit from a higher power? Both of them had no witnesses and both of them wrote about their experiences themselves (making any attempt at validation circular). Sure, they both say their experiences were life-transforming, but how can we give more credibility to Paul, other than the fact that there were more writings that support how his attitude toward Christianity changed? (Of course, even if such supporting writings were accurate, they still don't prove a divine experience. Also, many of the supporting writings also come from Paul – more circular validation attempts.)

      October 17, 2012 at 1:05 pm |
    • cedarEyes

      The issue isn't the article, or what it says. The issue is that Billy Graham took down a key page–after a visit from someone who is a member of an organization that preaches another Jesus–that could have helped people in their walk with Christ Jesus.

      October 17, 2012 at 1:10 pm |
  7. Tonya

    Gee Billy what about Mormonism does not scream cult. I am personally very disappointed with your opinion. I wonder how much money Mr. Romney contributed to your church. It is a shame, we all fall short, but as a minister you are to ask for guidance from the Holy Spirit as we all should as Christians. What Spirit did you recieve guidance from?

    October 17, 2012 at 12:44 pm |
  8. joaquin howard

    What a coward. Anything that deviates from a religions original message is a cult. Christianity and Islam are cultst to the Jews and Mormonism and Jehovahs Witness are cults of Christianity. Any Christian who doesn't think Mormons are a cult are either Republicans and are scared to cross their party or uneducated. It's so sad that America is dominated by people who still believe in myths. If your Christian, your God is opposed to Mormonism. Read your Bible and stop listening to your preacher. Or you can become a logical rational being and give up myths and live in the real world.

    October 17, 2012 at 12:41 pm |
    • Anybody know how to read?

      Every man a god. Evolutionism is the GI gubmint sanctioned religion with vast resources.

      October 17, 2012 at 12:45 pm |
    • bob

      joaquin I hate to throw race into this issue but i think rev Graham is a RACIST becaue he was not willing to be president Obama's spiritual advisor because he dose'nt believe Obama is a Christian but he EMBRACES romney who is a Mormon!

      October 17, 2012 at 12:50 pm |
    • Anybody know how to read?

      bob, haven't you heard of the ark and the one race of man? Your GI gubmint god supports the concept of racism, courtesy of new age pharisees.

      October 17, 2012 at 1:08 pm |
  9. klur

    It is actually quite funny in an ironic way that the fundamentalist right who have been notably intolerant are now endorsing a Mormon. When faced with supporting a black democrat as President (oh no!) they would probably support the devil himself.

    October 17, 2012 at 12:41 pm |
    • Citizen

      You are right. What a sell out for politics. But then, they voted for a guy who betrayed his country in Veitnam last time, so what's the difference.

      October 17, 2012 at 12:53 pm |
    • XYZ

      ...or perhaps they simply want a President who can get the economy back on track (like most Americans).

      October 17, 2012 at 12:54 pm |
  10. Ameri2010

    t

    October 17, 2012 at 12:39 pm |
  11. RomneyMormonTruth

    Romney & the Mormons believe that African Americans were cursed by God and given black skin. This is our President??? Fact check me.

    October 17, 2012 at 12:38 pm |
    • Majestic

      You slobbered a bib full, my friend

      October 17, 2012 at 12:41 pm |
    • Primewonk

      And a significant percentage of fundiot nutter republicans believe the same thing. Hell, half of all republicans in Mississippi stated that interracial marriage should be illegal.

      October 17, 2012 at 12:44 pm |
    • Really?

      That is disgusting!

      October 17, 2012 at 12:45 pm |
    • Ameri2010

      To RomneyMormonTruth:

      Fact Check You Asked For:

      Barack knows what it means to be a black man to be living in a country and a culture that is controlled by rich white people. Hillary can never know that. Hillary ain't never been called a n-–.

      The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color. The government lied.

      God damn America

      Why didn't CNN report on Obama's choice of religion and his beliefs?

      FACT: Obama paid Rev. Wrong to keep his mouth shut during his campaign.

      Answer: LIBERAL MEDIA BIAS

      I'd rather sit in Romney's church any day than sit in a church that Obama sat in for over 20 years

      October 17, 2012 at 12:47 pm |
    • Citizen

      You are correct!

      October 17, 2012 at 12:54 pm |
  12. RomneyMormonTruth

    Obama = Christian, Romney = Extremist Cult. Christians YOU choose: Jesus or Barabbas?

    October 17, 2012 at 12:38 pm |
    • XYZ

      Anyone who votes for a president simply because of his religion is a fool. If you vote for Obama simply because he's a Christian, you're a fool. If you vote for Romney because he's a Christian, you're a fool. If you don't vote for Obama because you think he's Muslim, you're a fool. If you don't vote for Romney because you don't think he's Christian... again, you're a fool.

      You clearly have an axe to grind, but this election is far more important than your dislike of a religion. Perhaps the next president will make policies that help you find a job.

      October 17, 2012 at 12:43 pm |
  13. Cynicrat

    See how easily your false leaders are bought and sold? They worship money and that is all they ever worshiped.

    They use lies to get your money. All of them. Money, money, money is what your religion is really all about. Time to wake up.

    October 17, 2012 at 12:37 pm |
    • Emma in Baltimore

      1 Tim. 6:10
      For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.

      October 17, 2012 at 12:46 pm |
    • mama k

      I see "Emma" is still sprewing stuff from Gullible's Travels. It's just more junk from the chatty Cathy self-proclaimed "apostle" Paul. There is, of course, as much credible proof that Paul actually saw his god, as there is that Joseph Smith had a "special visit" – that is – none.

      October 17, 2012 at 12:51 pm |
    • mama k

      typo correction: spewing, not sprewing

      October 17, 2012 at 12:52 pm |
    • sfommy

      Matthew 19:24 would seem to apply to Billy Graham in his Mountain Top Retreat. How much wealth does this "Christian" control? Jesus Christ suggested giving the monies to Caesar, guess Billy really is a sinner. Yet the wealthy trek to him in search of a religious loopholes to acquire more wealth.

      October 17, 2012 at 12:55 pm |
  14. Madtown

    "Mr. Graham’s calling is not to pass judgment, but to proclaim the biblical truth that Jesus is the only way to heaven"
    ------
    I'd like to know what Mr. Graham's response is to the fact that not all humans in this world know who Jesus is. Are those humans souls not going to heaven? They've never heard of Jesus! What a logical problem, I wonder how Graham would address it?

    October 17, 2012 at 12:37 pm |
    • RomneyMormonTruth

      I know who Jesus is, he is my Savior. He is not the brother of Lucifer that the Mormons teach.

      October 17, 2012 at 12:41 pm |
    • RLC

      I'm no biblical scholar, but this is addressed in Romans 1:20 "For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse."

      October 17, 2012 at 12:44 pm |
    • Madtown

      RLC
      I'm no biblical scholar, but this is addressed in Romans 1:20
      -----
      You're hilarious. So, the bible addresses those people who will never have access to a bible?!? I'm sure they would find that comforting!

      October 17, 2012 at 12:48 pm |
    • Anybody know how to read?

      Madtown, you sure have a bunch of questions. Maybe those 'other' people are just like you and can't or won't believe.

      October 17, 2012 at 12:49 pm |
    • Madtown

      Anybody know how to read?
      Madtown, you sure have a bunch of questions
      ----
      And, no evangelical has any answers. Kind of a conundrum, huh? At least the statements from christians provide good quality comedic entertainment.

      October 17, 2012 at 12:53 pm |
    • sfommy

      A. Larry Ross said in a statement that "Through an inclusive evangelistic ministry...he never proselytized, targeted or labeled specific people, groups, faiths or denominations."

      Unless he labeled them CULTS. Although technically it's Billy's spokesman who's being two-faced in this sentence.

      October 17, 2012 at 12:58 pm |
    • RLC

      I'm not sure why you find that or me hilarious. It simply shows that God recognizes there are those who may not have been exposed directly to the bible and that of those inidividuals, they still have the capacity to recognize his presence. I didn't write it, I'm just answering your question. And actually, wouldn't they find it comforting? if God exists you need not be directly exposed to his teaching to obtain eternal life? I'm not sure why that's discomforting Enlighten me please.

      October 17, 2012 at 1:01 pm |
    • Madtown

      if God exists you need not be directly exposed to his teaching to obtain eternal life?
      -----–
      You have to differentiate between God and religion. You say "God's teachings", and I'm assuming you mean christianity? Don't you mean Jesus' teachings? What I'm saying is that no religion has complete exposure to all humans on earth. I also believe that all humans on earth are equal in terms of base human value, created by God. So, if God were to only find 1 religion to be "acceptable", then he would provide it equally to all his creations. He couldn't disallow entrance into heaven to any of his creations, based upon them not following a religion that they never heard of to begin with. If a human being doesn't need to be exposed to the teachings of christianity to gain God's acceptance, then there's no need for religion at all. This is excellent news!!

      October 17, 2012 at 1:11 pm |
    • Anybody know how to read?

      Madtown is a debater. That is what passes for education and knowledge in Americult.

      October 17, 2012 at 1:17 pm |
  15. RomneyMormonTruth

    Romney & Mormons believe that Jesus is a prophet and the brother of Satan. You want him to teach that in the White House?

    October 17, 2012 at 12:37 pm |
    • snowboarder

      rom – it really doesn't matter what he believes differently from mainstream christianity. the entire christian doctrine is ludicrous.

      October 17, 2012 at 12:46 pm |
    • souptwins

      I don't care who you vote for but, at least get your story straight. LDS doctrine states that ALL spiritual being are the creation of God the Eternal Father. If God created all beings, why would Satan not be the brother of us all? If God didn't create Satan before he rebelled from God, who created him and when or how? Satan is the ultimate black sheep. Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God who died that all man may be resurrected and atoned for sin. He is a member of the "Godhead" consisting of God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost. These are separate and distinct beings who are one in purpose and will. Jesus Christ is considered deity, not a "prophet".

      October 17, 2012 at 1:16 pm |
  16. RomneyMormonTruth

    Fundamentalist Christians said the Mormons were a cult, now Romney's the candidate, Mormonism is OK.Selling your soul for votes.

    October 17, 2012 at 12:37 pm |
    • Emma in Baltimore

      1 Peter 5:2-4
      Be shepherds of God’s flock that is under your care, watching over them—not because you must, but because you are willing, as God wants you to be; not pursuing dishonest gain, but eager to serve; not lording it over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock. And when the Chief Shepherd appears, you will receive the crown of glory that will never fade away.

      October 17, 2012 at 12:42 pm |
    • Mike

      when you have been in a mormom church and when you have read the book of mormon then you can decide whether or not mormons are christian. You have no idea, so you are the uneducated fool because you have not read this book or even gone to a sunday service at the mormon church.
      The thought of afoolishness is sin: and the scorner is an abomination to men." Proverbs 24:9
      The awords of a wise man’s mouth are gracious; but the lips of a bfool will swallow up himself. Ecclesiastes 10:12
      The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction. Proverbs 1:7
      I don't bash but I study first, pray, and then decide. Sounds like you just love to name call.
      Good luck in your search for truth and happiness!

      October 17, 2012 at 1:02 pm |
    • LazloL

      2 Peter Griffin 14:29

      Peter Griffin: Jesus, which religion should our family be?
      Jesus: Six of one, they're all complete crap.
      Brian Griffin: [Off-camera] Thank you!

      Makes more sense than the crap Emma is spewing, me doth believe....

      October 17, 2012 at 1:04 pm |
    • OTOH

      Emma,

      A shepherd only takes good care of his sheep for a couple of reasons:

      - Profit from their wool and from their flesh & hides at market
      - Dinner

      What's this Good Shepherd in the sky up to anyway?

      October 17, 2012 at 1:25 pm |
  17. evinar

    I entreat all of you to read A Study in Scarlet, the first Sherlock Holmes novel – fiction, of course, but interesting that a very reputable and fact-driven author would choose to delve into the life of the antagonist as being helplessly tied up in an early Mormonist agenda...

    October 17, 2012 at 12:37 pm |
    • OTOH

      evinar,

      Arthur Conan Doyle was quite into the occult and "spiritualism". He attended seances and believed in psychic powers and communication beyond the grave. He even firmly believed and defended the later-revealed hoax from the girls in England who faked a garden picture with fairies in 1917 (The Cottingley Fairies).

      http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/doyle.htm

      Sometimes there is just no explaining otherwise intelligent people's fantasies - brilliant Isaac Newton was heavily into the occult also and he pursued making gold searching for a magic Philosopher's Stone. - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Newton%27s_occult_studies

      October 17, 2012 at 12:55 pm |
    • OTOH

      p.s. A fertile imagination and a rich fantasy life are quite a boon to storytellers. The Hebrew Bible storytellers had it. Paul of Tarsus had it, Mohammad had it and so did Joseph Smith.

      Imagination and fantasy *can* even be useful to the rest of us, even scientists, when brainstorming for solutions; but those solutions must be verified in reality to be truly useful.

      October 17, 2012 at 1:08 pm |
  18. RomneyMormonTruth

    I was raised Christian conservative, voted Republican since the 80's. To go from Reagan to Romney???...Sad

    October 17, 2012 at 12:36 pm |
    • doughnuts

      You should love Obama then. He's further to the Right than Reagan was.

      October 17, 2012 at 12:52 pm |
  19. Emma in Baltimore

    2 Cor. 11:12-14
    And I will keep on doing what I am doing in order to cut the ground from under those who want an opportunity to be considered equal with us in the things they boast about. For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.

    October 17, 2012 at 12:35 pm |
    • cara

      And what are those actions? By their fruit shall ye judge them. All I ever see from Mormons are good works.

      October 17, 2012 at 12:40 pm |
    • Cynicrat

      Their end will be death. If you think they are going to be punished after death, you are sorely mistaken.
      They need to be punished NOW. Don't rely upon some fairy tale about mystical punishment for all eternity after death.
      Punish people in REAL TIME, not make-believe time thought up to fool procrastinators into complacency.

      October 17, 2012 at 12:41 pm |
    • mama k

      More junk from the chatty Cathy self-proclaimed "apostle" Paul, I see. There is, of course, as much credible proof that Paul actually saw his god, as there is that Joseph Smith had a "special visit" – that is – none.

      October 17, 2012 at 12:47 pm |
    • The Truth

      So the bible get's it wrong on how old the earth is, gets it wrong on how round the earth is, or that its not the center of the solar system let alone the universe, gets the order of supposed creation wrong, get's the flood wrong, has an angry vindictive God for the first half and a turn the other cheek God for the second half and yet still people like you want to point to some other group and say "See, they get it wrong, they are false Christs" The fact is they are ALL false Chists. It's a classic con game tactic, instead of presenting one version of your lie that a person can refute and challenge, you invent 10 versions and then let them get so confused in trying to figure out which one is right they will never notice that none of them are. Grow up, grow a backbone, grow self confidence and grow some balls. Stand up to organized religion and say "NO MORE!" Do not pick between poisoned cup one and poisoned cup two, just don't drink anything those charletans offer you for they do mean you harm. To many people have woken up half through their lives seemingly out of some GHB drug induced state of organized religion and say "what the heII just happened and why is my butt so sore...?" Get out of her now while you still have some of your life to live.

      October 17, 2012 at 12:52 pm |
    • Anybody know how to read?

      mama k, you sure are a Paul basher. Are you always such a bully that turns around and then blames the victim? BTW, say hello to the missus for me.

      October 17, 2012 at 12:59 pm |
    • Anybody know how to read?

      'The Truth sayz
      So the bible get's it wrong on how old the earth is,....' Where does it say that?

      October 17, 2012 at 1:02 pm |
    • The Truth

      "Where does it say that?"

      Besides the obvious creation narrative of "6 days" of creation even when adjusted for the "thousand years is as a day" still leaves wildly inaccurate time frames, coupled with the Adam lineage down to Abraham all written thousands of years after the supposed events took place by Moses, set's a definate time frame for how old the earth and most bible scholars proclaim this to be between 6,000 to 9,000 years old. When put next to what we have learned through study and observation instead of taking some old book as fact, we can determine the age of the earth at approx 4.5 billion years and the universe at 14.5 billion years, with a margin of error of about 100 million years, which seems like a large margin, but is actually relatively small, and still doesn't come anywhere close to the biblical account of creation. Anyone who still chooses to believe the biblical account over the scientific account is a fool and is one who prefers to have their ears tickled and doesn't really deserve the wonderful planet they were born on.

      October 17, 2012 at 1:14 pm |
    • Anybody know how to read?

      The Truth sayz, '................prefers to have their ears tickled and doesn't really deserve the wonderful planet they were born on.' When the slaughter of Christians happens again now you know why. That spirit is still here. Get out of the gubmint sanctioned churches, Christians. Have home Bible study with your neighbors. Don't have your name on a list.

      October 17, 2012 at 1:39 pm |
    • The Truth

      I notice that "Anybody Know" completely avoided the sunstance of my comment and went straight to "Were under attack!!"
      Typical Christian. Go crawl back under the rock you call home and maybe actually learn to read something worthwhile other than the few books of the gospels while ignoring the rest of the bible. I have read the bible cover to cover several times and know it better than you do (test me if you wish) and can give you a Genesis to Reveltion synopisis anytime you like. I also know the bible is full of holes that the religious fill in with faith. Sadly, that faith is horribly misplaced.

      October 17, 2012 at 2:07 pm |
    • The Truth

      sunstance = substance, though I kind of like the new word "sunstance" which should either mean standing in a ray of sunlight feeling the warm glow on your face an appreciating being alive or possibly the viewpoint one might have if standing where the sun is looking at the earth.

      October 17, 2012 at 2:10 pm |
    • Anybody know how to read?

      Ah, yes, more of the same ol' sun god, The Truth, ya little worm. It's vanity and Solomon already told ya so.

      October 17, 2012 at 3:44 pm |
  20. Rationalist

    It's so pathetically entertaining how sheep will always follow their masters. It's obvious to the most casual observer that money and politics drive religious dogma. In 1978, political pressure and the threat of being outcasts caused the Mormon apostle to "have a revelation" and POOF! Blacks were no longer the seed of evil. They were of course the seed of evil until the day before. And here now, with enough money and promises from the Mormon candidate, POOF! Mormons are no longer a cult in the eyes of the head Christian shyster, Billy Graham. They were of course a cult until now.

    The ironic fact is that all religions are cults. They just vary in the sizes of their congregations.

    October 17, 2012 at 12:33 pm |
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