By Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor
(CNN) - Shortly after Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney enjoyed cookies and soft drinks with the Rev. Billy Graham and his son Franklin Graham on Thursday at the elder Graham's mountaintop retreat, a reference to Mormonism as a cult was scrubbed from the website of the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association.
In a section of the website called Billy Graham's My Answer there had been the question "What is a cult?"
Answer: "A cult is any group which teaches doctrines or beliefs that deviate from the biblical message of the Christian faith."
"Some of these groups are Jehovah's Witnesess, Mormons, the Unification Church, Unitarians, Spritualists, Scientologists, and others," the site continued.
No longer. On Tuesday, the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association confirmed that page has recently been removed from the site.
“Our primary focus at the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association has always been promoting the Gospel of Jesus Christ," Ken Barun, chief of staff for the association, told CNN in a statement. "We removed the information from the website because we do not wish to participate in a theological debate about something that has become politicized during this campaign."
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Romney is a lifelong member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, members of which are known as Mormons.
The information about cults can be found on cached sections of the website on Archive.org from June 5, 2010.
The theological question of where Mormons fit on the religious spectrum has drawn more attention because of Romney's candidacy. Mormons consider themselves to be strong Christians. Many traditional Christian denominations disagree, though rank-and-file members have their own views on the matter.
The removal of the post from the Graham group's website was first noted by the New Civil Rights Movement website and then later by the Asheville Citizen-Times, which reported that the information on cults was accessed as recently as Thursday afternoon.
Last week's meeting between Romney and Graham was their first.
After the 30 minute sit-down in Montreat, North Carolina, just outside Asheville, Romney campaign spokesman Rick Gorka told reporters that Billy Graham led a prayer for the Romneys, saying "I'll do all I can to help you. And you can quote me on that."
The evangelist who has been called America's pastor and has prayed with every American president since Harry Truman said in a statement following the meeting that "It was a privilege to pray with Gov. Romney — for his family and our country."
Graham met with President Barack Obama in 2010 and with Sen. John McCain when he was the presumptive Republican presidential nominee in 2008.
"I will turn 94 the day after the upcoming election, and I believe America is at a crossroads," Graham's statement continued. "I hope millions of Americans will join me in praying for our nation and to vote for candidates who will support the biblical definition of marriage, protect the sanctity of life and defend our religious freedoms."
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When asked about Graham's beliefs about Mormonism, Graham spokesman A. Larry Ross said in a statement that "Through an inclusive evangelistic ministry spanning more than 60 years, Mr. Graham was called to preach the transformative message of the Gospel to the whole world, regardless of one’s religious background, affiliation or none. As such, he never proselytized, targeted or labeled specific people, groups, faiths or denominations.
"Neither did Mr. Graham attempt to divide his audience before he had opportunity to preach to them. He has a genuine love for all people, and faithfully proclaimed the love of God to everyone, providing opportunity for them to respond by making a faith commitment.
"Mr. Graham’s calling is not to pass judgment, but to proclaim the biblical truth that Jesus is the only way to heaven, allowing every individual and group to fall along that plumb line," the statement went on.
"He further stressed that salvation is the work of Almighty God, and that only He knows what is in each human heart," the statement said.
The Southern Baptist Convention, the nation's largest Protestant denomination, lists the LDS Church as a theological cult. The Catholic Church also does not recognize Mormon baptisms as being theologically compatible with its own.
The LDS Church has long bristled at being called a cult. Mormons note the many similarities and overlap between their teachings and that of other churches but point to their belief in other scriptures like the Book of Mormon as the reason they split with other churches.
In the 2012 campaign Romney has been generally quiet about his church, though his role as a lay church leader was prominently featured in the Republican National Convention, and his campaign has allowed members of the press pool accompanying Romney to film him attending services.
I promise you if Romney happen to be anything but Mormon and Obama were Mormon, the Mormon religon would still be viewed as a cult by Billy G.
It is surprising that no one elso jumped into this foray. How about 1 billion indians and almost 2 billions chinese who do not beleive in christ. This means half of the population of this planet is going to hell.I dont think there is that much soace there.
It is sad that in DEMOCARTIC country where the governement role is erve and protect "EVERYONE" we have these nuts trying outprove each other that more religous than the other. I pray that spagehhti monster god saves this planet.
one false "leader" endorsing a false "religion" and imposter..the enemy of my enemy is my friend ...
Mr Graham : need to learn what a "cult " is.... Some define sect to mean a group that has broken away from an established religion. Others apply the term to a group that follows a particular human leader or teacher. The term is usually used in a derogatory way. Jehovah’s Witnesses are not an offshoot of some church but include persons from all walks of life and from many religious backgrounds. They do not look to any human, but rather to Jesus Christ, as their leader.
A cult is a religion that is said to be unorthodox or that emphasizes devotion according to prescribed ritual. Many cults follow a living human leader, and often their adherents live in groups apart from the rest of society. The standard for what is orthodox, however, should be God’s Word, and Jehovah’s Witnesses strictly adhere to the Bible. Their worship is a way of life, not a ritual devotion. They neither follow a human nor isolate themselves from the rest of society. They live and work in the midst of other people.
Mr Graham can you prove that as a worshiper of God when it comes to your beliefs and that of Mormons?.. Remember jesus stated that his "Kingdom is no part" of this world. Also when ones came to make him king. he with drew. Plus when satan the devil offered him the " all the kingdom of the world and their glory" mathew 4:4-10...what did he do?.... is that what you and Mr Romney is doing?... a so called follower of Jesus Christ...
Most of the discussion on this topic reminds me of an old Batman joke:
See, there were these two guys in a lunatic asylum: one paranoid, the other delusional... and one night, one night they decide they don't like living in an asylum any more. They decide they're going to escape! So, like, they get up onto the roof, and there, just across this narrow gap, they see the rooftops of the town, stretching away in the moon light... stretching away to freedom. Now, the first guy, he jumps right across with no problem. But his friend, his friend didn't dare make the leap. Y'see... Y'see, he's afraid of falling. So then, the first guy has an idea... He says 'Hey! I have my flashlight with me! I'll shine it across the gap between the buildings. You can walk along the beam and join me!' B-but the second guy just shakes his head. He suh-says... He says 'Wh-what do you think I am? Crazy? You'd turn it off when I was half way across!
Im very disappointed in Billy Graham.Im a christian and a catholic im not voting but I would like to see Romney win.We are electing a president not a pastor or priest.However we must never ever compromise the truth of the gospel.And calling a cult a cult which by definition add to or subtract from the articles in the apostles creed which all true prots caths and orthos believe in.However mormons like the jehovas witnesses are cults because they dont believe in the Trinity and deny the divinity and incarnation of Jesus among other problems.At his advanced age Bill should not be trying to be politically correct or watering down the truth.We need to pray for him
harry reyhing...If you want to see Romney win, you best be voting.
@janey: any True Christian should know you do not need to vote. You can simply pray Romney into office.
For Christians that are not aware, Mormons believe that the dead can be baptized. They believe, contrary to the Word of God, that after death one still has an opportunity to go to heaven. This is clearly at odds with our belief that one must accept Jesus as Lord and Savior prior to dying to be saved. The Bible is clear, " And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment." Hebrews 9:27.There is no other course. There exists no holding area for those who die without accepting Jesus as Lord and Savior. There is no hope of salvation – even for those that we love - who have passed without a saving knowledge of Jesus. The suggestion that there is a second chance after death, is a demonic attempt to diminish the relevance of our witness to the living. It suggests that they can wait until and beyond death. Mitt Romney is not merely a member of the Mormon church. He is a Bishop, Mormon leadership. He has stated that he believes in this ungodly practice. When you characterize him as a Christian like you, you imply a support for this cultish practice, which attempts to set aside the redemptive work that Christ did for us on the cross. For the Christian, this should be an immediate disqualification for the office of president. For those of you who are members of a Christian church with a pastor who is suggesting that you cast your vote for Mitt Romney as one of us, recognize that it is your vote. You will give an account to God for your deeds. As a believer, you know better. The scripture says that it is better not to know, than to know and not do. Now you know. But don't take my word for it. Do some digging. Find out for yourself.
Blessings to you in the name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
For anyone that is not aware, christians believe in talking snakes, parting seas with the wave of a hand, walking on water, that average citizens can turn into a pillar of salt, that unicorns and fire-breathing monsters and sky fairies are real, that 2 of every animal on the planet PLUS all the food they need for at least 40 days and 40 nights fit into a boat that had been built by 1 man and was crewed by maybe 8 people, that a dude with horns and a tail lives beneath the earth's crust, that a white dude with a big white beard lives in the clouds, that this sky fairy (all powerful, all knowing and inerrant) impregnated a 12 year old virgin without sex and that this is somehow seen as virtuous, that the king of fairies had a white son in the medieval middle east who he had murdered for his own pleasure, that this person apparently a winged zombie arose after death and flew into the sky to be with daddy.
This is the short list of crazy things christians believe. But don't take my word for it. Do some digging. Find out for yourself.
End Religion...You aren't even close to being right in your pathetic description. It's very obvious that you know nothing of Christianity. I couldn't care less what you do or don't believe. So what's it to you what Christians believe other than to show your hatred and intolerance. How sad.
@janey: "You aren't even close to being right in your pathetic description. It's very obvious that you know nothing of Christianity."
"I couldn't care less what you do or don't believe."
You do care, or you wouldn't have posted.
"So what's it to you what Christians believe other than to show your hatred and intolerance. How sad."
I hate the game, not the player, although admittedly most of the players are annoying and willingly ignorant. On a cosmic scale I'm pretty tolerant. I would let anyone into my after-death party if I were to have one, and I wouldn't sentence anyone to eternal concentration camp no matter their beliefs. Of course with your religion, you won't tolerate any other religion in Heaven and you will cruelly relish seeing everyone else be sentenced to eternal waterboarding in a lake of fire. You gleefully await the day you can look down from the clouds and say, "i told you so! Now, burn!"
I am saddened deeply by this. I am surprised how far Billy Graham has fallen. Of course the church needs to distinguish orthodox from heresy. I think Billy Graham has opted for Mitt Romney over Jesus Christ. Christian leaders do not have to endorse candidates. Billy says their purpose is to save souls. Then why does he deviate from his purpose so often?
Why did jesus suffer on the cross if mormans can believe what they want about him. why do missionaries risk their life if it doesn't matter what one believes . I hope billy repents of this grave sin and GOD help us to not disbelieve
The jesus you believe in did not exist, let alone die on a cross. The missionaries who die in his name do indeed die for no reason other than they were trying to do what they felt was "right". Good intentions, super bad reasons.
End Religion...One day you will find how wrong you are.
Mormonism is a religion ruled by Satan.
Why?? Because, contrary to all Christian teachings and doctrine, Mormon's believe he was the son of God!!
They believe he was the brother of Jesus Christ!! They believe we will all be judged by the con man "prophet" Joseph Smith on Judgement Day!! They believe in all sorts of ridiculous and outrageous LIES that Satan has concocted in order to lead as many as he can away from God and into Hell! It is a secretive cult that gradually dupes people more and more!! And people like Mitt Romney, who is a high-ranking "Bishop", are the worst!! These are the men who know it is all about Satan! They are the ones who have been given the secret passwords and handshakes and told the true nature of their "church"!! They're the ones who carry this knowledge and keep it to themselves, allowing the ignorant in their midst to continue to be duped and sucked into a life of serving Satan! Many Mormons don't know of what goes on in the upper levels of their cult! Why?? Because if they did they would run from it like the plague!!
Mitt Romney is an evil man who's on a mission from Satan!! If you are a Christian and you support this man, you are doing Satan's work!!
Pentacostal, you don't seem to be familiar with Revelations.
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. (New Testament, Revelation, Chapter 12)
We all lived in heaven as spirits before we were born in this earth under our Father in Heaven. We reached a point where we could progress no further without gaining body and having a mortal experience. Jesus Christ presented a plan which we accepted. Satan also presented a plan which we all rejected. Satan became angry and rebelled and took 1/3 of our brothers and sisters with him and there was war in heaven. Of course Satan use to be our brother, but now he represents everything that opposes God.
LOL This is like watching two schizophrenics argue over what color the UFO's are.
They have a "history" of America that is CRAZY too!! Lol! But NO EVIDENCE AT ALL!
Cities, battlegrounds, etc; etc; that NEVER existed and couldn't possibly of existed!!
I agree with the other Christians here when they say Mormons are doing the devil's work and I definitely WON'T support the election of a Mormon high priest to the White House!!
God Bless you Pentacostal Christian for speaking the Truth!
And God Bless America for seeking the Truth!!
Jonah, you are a heathen!! The book of moron is garbage spewed by Satan! Satan was NEVER ANYONE'S BROTHER!!!! But, he sure will be close kin to you in due time!!!!!!!
You're right Hubert. Nutty as a squirrel farm.
Jonah your post is nonsense. Hebrews 9:27 "It is appointed unto man once to die and after that the judgement. " You haven't lived anywhere before your life now. When you die, you'll either go to heaven or hell based on the decision you made for or against Jesus and the redemptive work He did for you on the corss. That decision has to be made on this side. It can't be made after you die becasue some relative of yours decided to get baptized.
As you already know, much truth lies in humor. I thought Xians were supposed to love thy neighbors.. Not delight in their coming supposed misery.. Shadenfreude
Tell me where there is LDS evidence that shows they existed. I wanna know about the armor and weapons in the americas, the wheat and corn fossils and the money currency system. Everywhere in the middle east shows evidence that you can still see. As for the Americas, there is not.
Exactly!! God may have allowed Satan to infect Joseph Smith and his followers with lies but He did NOT allow Satan to infect God's Earth with them!!! That is so that we have the clear choice of whether to turn from Christ and believe in lies, or remain with Christ and believe what our eyes and the Truth tell us!!
Mormonism is a Great Deceit of Satan!! And now it wants control of the White House – the most powerful seat in the world!! Surprise, surprise!! Is Romney the "Peacemaker" that Revelations speaks of?? Can Romney be the son os Satan?? ..I can't help but think that that just might be the case!! Look at how much he lies and deceives!! One day he's pro-choice! The next he's pro-life!! And all the while he's making money – loads and loads of it – from abortions!! He has way too many secrets for my liking!!!
Or just maybe you could use some common sense and reason and realize that there are no gods and Joseph Smith was a con man that did what he did for the same reason that all religions were created for, to get power and money.
I'm no Romney supporter, but I have alot of respect for Rev. Graham, he seem's conflicted. I grew up watching/listening to him.They have a posting that they clearly support and beleive in....and somehow it is removed?
Matthew 24:24 says "For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect."
hmmm....not that hard to see how this could really happen considering "good-old" Billy Graham is so easily persuaded to change his beliefs about cults.
It is very simple, racism trumps religion.
Mindy, here is your false prophet, an evangelical:
Harold Camping, the Northern California preacher whose radio ministry spent millions of dollars last year predicting a fiery apocalypse that failed to materialize has apologized to his followers in an open letter, saying “we humbly acknowledge we were wrong” and “we have no new evidence pointing to another date for the end of the world.”
Joseph Smith was a true prophet who wrote scripture and his prophesies came true.
Rev. Graham has betrayed all Christian Americans, and Christ Himself, by supporting this Mormon high priest! How can he do this when he knows that Obama is a Christian???!!! This is appalling!!!!!
Jonah, you realize in the past, same as today, people who claim to know the future run a dime a dozen? Yet, James Randi's million dollars goes unclaimed. You know astrology, divining the future, religion, all these things are scams and hoaxes, right? I mean this is common knowledge.
James Randi Challenge
AnotherTrueChristian... Obama is NOT a Christian!!!!!! How deceived you have been. How sad. You must do some research on who Obama is. He was raised Muslim and it's very obvious that his beliefs and actions are not Christian.
End Religion... No, it's NOT common knowledge. It's YOUR opinon. I don't care if you don't believe in God, so why should you care about those of us who do???
janey, when I say "common knowledge" of course I mean that those facts will only be apparent to people who live in and value reality. The deluded, such as yourself, have trouble with facts since they feel belief is a substitute for them.
Joseph Smith didn't make any "prophecies"!! Lol!! He made what's called a "long con"!!
Joseph Smith was a convicted con man, a bigamist, a paedophile, a thief, a killer and a coward.
Everything he wrote about was either fantasy or plagiarism. The Book of Mormon has been dissected by theologians all over the world. Only Mormon "theologians" see it as anything other than a extremely obvious fraudelant attempt at forging a "Christian" religion. All of the "historical" accounts given have been proven unequivacally to be false and bizzare.
Everything he wrote exposes him to of been ignorant and an amateur. In summation, your "religion" is a circus of insanity, and a complete and utter fraud.
34 But behold, I say unto you, the kingdom of God is not filthy, and there cannot any unclean thing enter into the kingdom of God; wherefore there must needs be a place of filthiness prepared for that which is filthy.
35 And there is a place prepared, yea, even that awful hell of which I have spoken, and the devil is the preparator of it; wherefore the final state of the souls of men is to dwell in the kingdom of God, or to be cast out because of that justice of which I have spoken.
36 Wherefore, the wicked are rejected from the righteous, and also from that tree of life, whose fruit is most precious and most desirable above all other fruits; yea, and it is the greatest of all the gifts of God. And thus I spake unto my brethren. Amen. (Book of Mormon, 1 Nephi, Chapter 15)
Please learn to walk in the many footsteps of Bilbo. In His name I pray...
"In a hole in the ground there lived a hobbit. Not a nasty, dirty wet hole, filled with the ends of earth worms and an oozy smell, nor yet a dry, bare, sandy hole, with nothing to sit down on or to eat; it was a hobbit hole, and that means comfort."
From the book of Bilbo, 1:1
This is from the Book of Satan!
17 Wherefore, I, the Lord, have said that the fearful, and the unbelieving, and all liars, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie, and the who remonger, and the sorcerer, shall have their part in that lake which burneth with fire and brimstone, which is the second death. (Doctrine and Covenants, Doctrine and Covenants, Section 63)
(& Jonah – again),
What did Joseph Smith tell Oliver Cowdery when Cowdery asked why he could not see any "revelations" in the bottom of Joseph's hat?
The universe is 13.72 billion years old....
Mockingjay, your "lord" is Satan!! Your "church" is a church of Satan! And your afterlife will be spent for eternity with Satan! Repent NOW!
End Religion...how old or young the universe is doesn't matter. God created it and God will end it.
janey, please don't be silly. God did not create anything. It was all created by the Flying Spaghetti Monster. We even have video of our god, spotted in Germany. You have no video of your impotent limp-noodle "god". Sorry, sista!
The verse you quoted from Doctrines and Covenants is a direct copy from Revelation 21:8. The Bible says in Revelation 22:18 not to add to the Bible (especially not another testament). As for the other skeptics the Bible is not just a spiritual book but a historical one in which there are many "infallible proofs"Acts 1:3 and archeological evidences.
The bible has very little if any historic value, and nearly zero factual content.
Thanks Jona & Abinadi...great facts!
Speaking of facts...
How much did Satan ..er ..Romney.. pay you to say that Yadi?? How about you too Jonah? and you Mockingjay?? How much have you all sold your souls for?? Please repent NOW! Before it's too late!!
I will be praying for all of you!! God Bless..
AnotherTrueChristian... I am so thankful that none of the Christians I know are like you. You have a lot of hatred in you. I hope that you will find peace from whatever has caused you to hate so much.
"There's been a load of compromisin' on the road to my arisin', and I wanna be where the world is shinnin' on ME, like a Rhinestone pastor! Where the crowds and the press are all knockin' on my front door!. Like a Rhinestone pastor I'll endorse 'em and bless 'em just because I want the glory more! Like a Rhinestone Pastor! " (With apologies to Mr. Glen Campbell who showed more integrity than Dr. Graham!) SEE WE TOLD YOU SO!
Serious mistake and a hypocritical one from Graham Ministries. I am a Christian, first of all. If Romney is a Jehovah Witness, would they do the same thing? If Graham wanted to endorse Romney, he should have said so, although a good pastor should know that he should be silent on that. This only proved how successful Mormon marketing has been and how Graham Ministries has fallen so far.
I am EXTREMELY disappointed with Graham Ministries. I could not imagine they support someone who denied the deity of Christ and defend a Cult who believes in extrabiblical authority. At least Obama said that he is a Christian and attends Christian church.
Your cult is no better or less crazy than anyone else's.
It is extremely sad. There seem to be many "Christian" preachers functioning as puppets this year, and not wanting to say the simple truth: Mormonism is blasphemy. BLASPHEMY.
No, you are the blasphemers because I have given you irrefutable truth and you have rejected it!
The Church of Jesus Christ–of Latter-day Saints is a restored church. The vision of Joseph Smith showed that the Father and Son are separate beings – just as Stephen viewed in Act 7:55-56. Ever since the Nicene Creed, the nature of the Godhead, the most important doctrine of reigion, has been off-base. Finally we have living prophets on the earth, a Quorum of Twelve Apostles as Jesus established. With the choice of Matthias, it was obvious that the quorum was to continue. God has restored the true church. It turns out that there were other people on the earth besides those in Israel - and they kept records too, and Jesus visitied them as a resurrected being and taught them the gospel. Mormon was one of the last prophets who abridged a thousand history of the people in America before the record was bured because of a great civil war among his people. Anyone who will take the time to read of the Savior's visit will be thrilled. There is no book of Christ. You can't turn to Christ 5:3. All scripture came through prophets of God. Why did it all end? Because of apostasy as Paul wrote about the status of the Church in so many of his epistles. The position of the Latter-day Saints is consistent with the history and origin of the Bible - which was not compiled until much later by committees.
God is something man-made, and in man's image. The Abrahamic religions of today are simply fable that are by-products of older fable. Mormonism just adjusts and adds more fable, none of which has any credible proof, to the heap of fable before it. Faith in religion begins as brainwashing. The brainwashed mind, as powerful as it is, at some point will effect self-brainwashing. Partial psychosis at a minimum. But many live with it, so enjoy.
The LDS "church" isn't a church!! It's a temple devoted to SATAN!!! It worships MONEY!!!! And Satan!!!!
Satan was NEVER God's "Son"!! NEVER!!!! Satan was NEVER Christ's BROTHER!!! NEVER!!!
Satan is a fallen angel!!! The Bible is VERY CLEAR about who what Satan is!!! Read it Mormons!!! Stop rejecting it and Christ!!!
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Why don't the evangelicals offer scriptural evidence for having the truth? Because there is none, right?
You know, I have been very hard on you and, in my excitement, maybe a little uncivil, for which I feel I need to apologize, even though, you were uncivil first. But, I feel that I need to warn you that there might be forgiveness for sinning in ignorance, but not for willful disobedience. Once you know the truth, you will be held responsible in the judgment. I have warned you and my hands are clean.
Who are you to warn people, ignoramus? You couldn't possibly know you shoudl warn them unless you've judged them before your sky fairy had a chance. He commanded you not to do that and yet you judge anyway because YOU know its all a fraud. You're an atheist. Welcome to the club.
Mockingjay – "scriptural evidence". ha ha ha ha. oh the MORmON christard is too funny.
Mockingjay, you are a follower of Satan, and you are dooming yourself to eternal damnation.
Satan was NOT the Son of God, nor the brother of Christ!!! That is satanical blasphemy!!!!!
"And moreover, I say unto you, that there shall be no other name given nor any other hway nor means whereby salvation can come unto the children of men, only in and throu gh the name of Christ, the Lord Omnipotent." Book of Mormon, Mosiah 3:17
Matthew 7:22-23 On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?' (23) And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.'
Even the demons know who Christ Is:
Luke4:41 And devils also came out of many, crying out, and saying, Thou art Christ the Son of God. ...
– It is never enough just naming the name of Christ, but following his word is always a must. Mormons clearly do not follow the bible when they hold their book of mormon in higher position than the Bible.
2 Corinthians 11:4 For if someone comes and proclaims another Jesus than the one we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or if you accept a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it readily enough.
2 Corinthians 11:13-15 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. (14) And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. (15) So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.
Eric, those scriptures actually refer to you evangelicals and your false prophets and false teachers. Your churches are set up for gain and profit. Paul directs in Ephesians that the true church of Jesus Christ is directed by prophets and apostles and only the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has that organization and we are the only church that has the true doctrine. I feel I have made my case. At this point you are willfully rejecting the truth and if you persist, you will indeed go to hell for it.
Apostles and prophets are absolutely essential because they hold the keys to the priesthood. If the apostles all die, the authority is lost along with revelation; we no longer know the mind and will of God and Christ is no longer the "chief cornerstone". False teachers and priests arise and we are "carried about with every wind of doctrine". Paul taught in Ephesians 4: "11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;"
Without apostles and prophets we cannot come to a "unity of the faith" nor be perfected in Christ. Without a prophet who speaks authoritatively the will of God, only confusion can reign as people argue what God meant and uninspired men tamper with the holy scriptures!
Christ taught in John 15: "16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you." Christ intended that he, himself, would be at the head of his church through revelation. That is why a man must be chosen of God through revelation to represent him and to preach his holy word – a thing that protestant churches totally lack because they apostatized from the Catholic church and which the catholic church cannot claim either because the first pope was a bishop, not an apostle, and to this day can claim no authority from living apostles...
MJ, I love you! Helping stir the pot, pitting one nutter against another. You're my hero!
The book of moron is the Book of Satan. You are all going to go to Hell to join your false prophet in eternal damnation.
My heart is so heavy and saddened to see Reverend Graham to of have done this horrible horrible act.
But, my heart breaks all the more when I think of the innumerable Mormons who have been deceived by Satan and reside for eternity in hell now, and, for those who are alive but also destined for hell.
I will NOT vote for a Mormon president. No matter how bad things may be, I will never betray my Christian beliefs and vote for a Deceiver-In-Chief!! May God have mercy upon us all if Mittens gets elected!!!
Pentacostal, come on. You are willfully ignoring the truth which is right before you. Let's just review the facts. The Pentecostal church nor any of the protestants could not possibly be the true church because they apostatized from the Catholic church and could not possibly claim any authority. That is a fact! Why was it necessary for Joseph Smith to restore the true church of Jesus Christ to the earth when the Lord had already established it ? The earth was not ready for the church during the Roman Occupation. The world was a brutal, wicked place. Almost immediately the early churches began to apostatize as is detailed in Revelations. The apostles did what they could, but the world began to kill them off faster than they could organize and ordain new apostles. Paul knew that the true gospel would be lost for a time. In 2 Thessalonians 2 he said, “1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;”.
Finally, there were no prophets or apostles left, but only bishops who were dependent on the apostles for authority. Left entirely without divine direction and authority, popes arose who were anything but representatives of Christ, such as Pope Alexander VI of Banquet of Chestnuts fame. One truly has to question whether God would run his church through men such as these. The church that Jesus Christ had organized had fully apostatized and was no longer found on the earth.
The early apostles also knew, however, that the church would be restored in the latter days and in anticipation of that great day they spoke directly to you and me in Acts 3, "19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of rest itution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.”
Can a thing be restored that has not been lost? We are indeed grateful to the great reformers for their sacrifices and work to prepare the way for the true gospel of Jesus Christ to be restored to the earth. They were like John the Baptist, who prepared the way for our Lord Jesus Christ. But, just like John the Baptist had to diminish while the Lord increased, so the protestant churches also need to diminish and give place to the true church. They have done their work and must end. I know that Joseph Smith was a true prophet of God and I know that Thomas S. Monson is a true and living prophet on the earth today. No person who is too proud to admit that he is wrong will ever see the kingdom of God!! 3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. (New Testament, Matthew, Chapter 5)
A prophet would speak the words of God. There is no God. There are no prophets. Just frauds.
Actually, Abinadi, Joseph Smith was a charlatan and a fake. Paul was just an ordinary man – we don't know if he ate some bad food, got a fever and really thought he saw something or what, but there is no credible proof that either one of these characters interfaced with a higher being. And that goes for much of Christianity – well all of the Abrahamic religions really – the religions that were spawned from it, like Mormonism, and the religions that were the source. All unfounded folklore that was rehashed from other folklore long before the OT. There's just not enough credible proof to put stock in any of it.
26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, (New Testament, Hebrews, Chapter 10)
One part of Gullible's Travels is no less gullible than another.
False prophets and usurpers are always alone when they have their "visions". That is because it never happened, to put it nicely. Joseph Smith had witnesses to everything he said. Witnesses are central to the gospel. Paul said, "In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established." Here is the testimony of the 3 witnesses to the Book of Mormon as set forth in the introduction to the Book of Mormon:
"Be it known unto all nations, kindreds, tongues, and people, unto whom this work shall come: That we, through the grace of God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, have seen the plates which contain this record, which is a record of the people of Nephi, and also of the Lamanites, their brethren, and also of the people of Jared, who came from the tower of which hath been spoken. And we also know that they have been translated by the gift and power of God, for his voice hath declared it unto us; wherefore we know of a surety that the work is true. And we also testify that we have seen the engravings which are upon the plates; and they have been shown unto us by the power of God, and not of man. And we declare with words of soberness, that an angel of God came down from heaven, and he brought and laid before our eyes, that we beheld and saw the plates, and the engravings thereon; and we know that it is by the grace of God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, that we beheld and bear record that these things are true. And it is marvelous in our eyes. Nevertheless, the voice of the Lord commanded us that we should bear record of it; wherefore, to be obedient unto the commandments of God, we bear testimony of these things. And we know that if we are faithful in Christ, we shall rid our garments of the blood of all men, and be found spotless before the judgment-seat of Christ, and shall dwell with him eternally in the heavens. And the honor be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Ghost, which is one God. Amen.
That is the difference between Joseph Smith and the false prophets – JOSEPH SMITH HAD WITNESSES!
We are also ent itled to a witness as individuals that we not be deceived. In the Book of Mormon, God gave the following promise to every one who will read the Book of Mormon with si ncerity and faith:
" 4 And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true; and if ye shall ask with a sin cere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost."
5 And by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may know the truth of all things."
Some of you may have gotten a witness as you read these words. The Lord's sheep know his voice and the truth will have a familiar ring to them. I want to say that I have received that witness and I know of a surety that Joseph Smith was a true prophet of God. You can get more information at mormon.org.
Joseph Smith was a fraud. With witnesses, to be sure.
I guess that you wouldn't have voted for John F. Kennedy back in 1960, then would you?
Mormons are deceivers on the payroll of Satan. They belive Satan was the Son of God and Christ's BROTHER!!!!!
This is outrageous and satanical BLASPHEMY!!! Do not be deceived my fellow Christians!! This is an attempt by Satan to sieze control of the most powerful seat in the world!!!! Reject Satan – Reject Romney!!!!!!
AnotherTrueChristian... If you are a true Christian, you would be praying for Mormons instead of being so hateful. Jesus commands us to love our neighbor as ourself. He teaches love and forgiveness. You are not following His lessons.
@janey: Your god also commands you to kill people who work on Sunday, and to sell your own children into slavery if you feel like it. You are not following his lessons. If you don't follow his lessons, you are denying his commandments and his word. If you deny his word, you deny him. If you deny him, you deny the Holy Ghost. If you deny the Holy Ghost, you have committed the one sin god does not forgive. Janey I am so sorry to inform you that according to the rules of the game you play, hell is in your future. Please tell all your loved ones that you will miss them as they frolic in Heaven for eternity even as your roast. If it were up to me I wouldn't send you to that dark concentration camp but it seems to be up to your loving god instead.
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