By Dan Merica, CNN
Washington (CNN) – When he campaigns in southern Florida on Monday, Mitt Romney will have an unwelcome traveling partner: a mobile billboard attacking his religion.
The billboard on wheels, sponsored by American Atheists, attacks the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints for its treatment of African-Americans and gays, though the church says the attacks are inaccurate.
The billboard, which American Atheists says will follow the Romney campaign for seven days, features two messages on Mormonism: “No Blacks Allowed (until 1978)” and “No Gays Allowed (Current).”
The first line is a reference to the church’s practice of denying lay priesthood to black male members until 1978.
Though the church did not allow black male members to be ordained before that year – when the church head says he received a revelation to reverse the policy – it did allow blacks and members of all racial and ethnic groups to be church members. According to The Second Book of Nephi, a part of Mormon doctrine, “Black and white, bond and free, male and female; … all are alike unto God.”
The billboard’s second line refers to what American Atheists President David Silverman says is the religion's “intolerance” and “bigotry” when it comes to the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community.
But the church denies such categorizations. It accepts gay members, though church doctrine condemning homosexuality has not changed and the church strongly opposes same-sex marriage. Some gay rights activists say the church is subtly growing friendlier toward the LGBT community, including voicing support for some gay rights.
"People are surely free to disagree with us on the facts," Dale Jones, a church spokesman, wrote in an e-mail to CNN. "This group seems not to know that there have been black members of the Church since our earliest history, and there are many faithful gay members of the Church today."
Jones continued: "We would be happy to introduce the (American Atheists president) to any of our millions of members of different ethnicity who would be happy to educate him on our racial diversity."
Silverman denies the billboard, which is costing the group $8,000, is an attack on Romney specifically. A spokeswoman for the Romney campaign said she would not comment on the sign.
“Nobody seems to be talking about the implications of having a very religious Mormon president,” Silverman said. “There are a lot of things about Mormons that people don’t know, including the fact that racism is an important part of their dogma.”
The LDS Church has largely tried to stay out of the politics surrounding the presidential campaign, even though it has received increased attention due to Romney’s candidacy. This billboard, writes Jones, is "obviously" about the "personal politics" of American Atheists.
"We have consistently kept out of the political campaign," Jones wrote. "People can see this (billboard) for what it is."
American Atheists has a long history in using billboards to call out religion and get its message out. During the political conventions in August and September, the group put up billboards attacking Mormonism and Christianity, taking aim at the faith of both presidential candidates.
This mobile billboard, however, is a departure from the standard American Atheist tactic of multiple billboards on multiple religions. According to Silverman, this is because Romney’s faith hasn’t been addressed enough in the 2012 election.
“We all understand the implications of having a Christian president. We do not understand the implications of having a Mormon president,” Silverman said. “We are not taking a position on the election, we are taking a stance on ignorance.”
Why just pick on the Mormons?
It is a process called 'vetting'. All Presidential candidates go through it extensively.
They are only doing it because Rmoney is one and running for supreme potentate.
And he is creepy and wears magic underwear.
"Why just pick on the Mormons?"
Because their form of crazy is just a little bit funnier than the other cults.
They don't just pick on the mormons. Mitt happens to be running for president at the moment however.
Mormonism and Scientology are right up there as far as the bat-sh!t crazy, however. 8O
Ironic - on the other trending article (Obama's Gospel) they are moaning, "Why just pick on Christians?"
What do the Seer Stones of the Mormon faith say about stem cell research or a woman's access to birth control? Do they have an opinion of the HPV vaccine that will prevent millions of cases of cervical cancer as well as prevent the transfer of many STD's? How does the church feel about IVF that results in the termination of many un-implanted embryos but also gives infertile couples a chance at having a child?
Should "god" be making these decisions or common sense and doctors?
no by the sounds you should be making those decision, because we all know that anything Doctors can and have failed and people have died as a result of those failures. I would trust God any day of the week over a doctor that sat in a classroom and learned from a so called professor.
"I would trust God any day of the week over a doctor that sat in a classroom and learned from a so called professor"
So when you get sick, you got to a church instead of a doctor?
If not, you are just spouting verbal diarrhea.
I have not been to a doctor for illness since I was a child, when my parents took me. I go for check ups once a year, that is all.
Let's test that ttt.
Next time you or one of your family gets sick or gravely ill, I want to hear that you did not seek professional medical care but instead went to some faith healer.
I bet you everything I have you have gone to doctors your whole life and not faith healers.
The amount of hypocrisy comming from fundies like you is astounding.
"I go for check ups once a year, that is all"
Why go for check ups?
Just pray to stay healthy and you'll be fine. Why would you trust a doctor to diagnose a problem when you could just ask god to let you know if there is anything you should be concerned about.
Insurance I get at work pays for them. It costs me nothing to go to a check up. If I go in and they see me for 10 minutes on a illness I will pay the hospital $500 for their time and medicine and my Insurance will pay $2500 for the same thing. Its a business they do not care about patients they care about making money. Just like all other big business.
And you think your church does not care about money ttt?
That is ALL they care about.
Which is where you come in.
Sheep like you are the ones the religious scammers depend on to finance their ponzi scheme.
At least the doctor actually does something positive for you.
You are dodging the question (which is typical for fairy tale followers).
Why go at all?
You already said you don't trust doctors.
All you have to do is ask god to make sure that you never get sick and you should be fine.
If you truly have faith, there is no need to ever see a doctor.
God will take care of everything.
well you know what they say when you start reaching for things you have no ground to stand on. Thats where derp and niknak are right now. Keep reaching you may find something to stand on or for.
niknak the church I belong to has a $50,000 budget. Name me one hospital that has a budget at that or less?
ttt. You said you have more faith in god than science, yet you go to a doctor for a check-up. The point is not who pays, the point is your inconsistency. Why have the check-up if you pray for health and cures for any illness.
I am sure you live rightous life and you do nothing that you do not believe in. I am sure you hate big oil and drive a vehicle to and from or ride a bus or airplane. I am sure you have never told a lie to anyone in your life. I never said that I was consistant and yes the check up is most scientific way to figure out if your healthy. And I can go to the doctor because I am free. I can believe in God, because I am free.
"well you know what they say when you start reaching for things you have no ground to stand on. Thats where derp and niknak are right now. Keep reaching you may find something to stand on or for"
This is what it sounds like when you have been crushed in a debate and have nothing left to say that is relevant to the subject at hand.
And will they be tailing Obama about his faith? And if not...why not?
No they will not Lycidas for one reason. There are two different standards in America, the ones for the Atheist, Marxist, GBLT-ers, anti-Christ folks and the other for the tolerant Conservative Christians.
They have, during the DNC, the issue specifically here is that Mormonism is still relatively unknown so the AA is a chance to educate people on the insidious things the mormon church stands for but tries to brush under the rug. Obamas religion however is straight up christian and it won't really do much good to follow him around with a moving billboard that lists death tolls from christian persecution or other things about the dogma that people already know and either don't care or already accept.
"tolerant Conservative Christians"??? From my experience, that is clearly an OXYMORON! I have NEVER seen any such thing!... By the way, it was the behaviour of some of those "tolerant Conservative Christians" that convinced me there is NO god!
The next thing that convinced me was ACTUALLY READING THE BIBLE! Not only does it contrdict itself numerous times, but I noticed that those "tolerant Conservative Christians" did not seem to be very familiar with what it REALLY says vs. what they CLAIMED it says!... hmmmm?...
"and the other for the tolerant Conservative Christians"
Tolerant christian conserative?
Yeah say it ain't so Sammy, your xtians are sooo tolerant.
So many examples of it thoughout history.
Burning withches at the stake. the Crusades, the anti woman stance in all the various religions texts, shooting abortion doctors, owning guns.... I could go on, but you get the point.
Jeebus, save me from your followers......
Both candidates have allegiance to the bilderbergs, so, either way, we are all screwed. The end result will be the same.. a tyrannical government taking the rest of everyone's rights, (not just gays or other races of people).
Please! people, get involved in what is really going on here... there's not much time left to change our course back to the way our country was meant to operate, namely freedom.
It was too late a long, long time ago. Look to the time of the creation of the Federal Reserve. Are they a governmental insti tution? No. Do they control our economy and therefore our government? Yes.
Mormons gave tons of money for proposition 8 in California. They should be ashamed now to try and swipe that under the rug.
Mormon Bishop Mittens has a *secret* Mormon agenda ... it is more secret than his 1-point economic plan.
Mormonism is still considered a CULT. Mittens just last week went to Billy Graham to get it removed from their list of cults!
If Mitten's is elected President, there will be for the first time in US history, a MORMON PRIEST among the White House religious council.
A Mormon becoming President is part of the Mormon PROPHECY. Mittens becoming President will make Mormons more brainwashed in believing the LIES of "Joseph Smith" are true.
Why has Mormon Bishop Mittens been running for President for more than 20 years now? VAINITY!
Mormon Bishop Mittens thinks he is a MORMON GOD! By becoming President, he can prove he is MORMON GOD just like his idol "Joseph Smith".
Don't be fooled. Mormon Bishop Mittens has a *secret* MORMON agenda.
Newt Gingrich is a much better writer than you are. Stop committing fraud.
Soon-to-be President Romeny will not be a religeous leader; just a civil leader. And I would much rather have someone in office who is not a biblical Christian but holds biblical values than a man who claims to be a Christian but who supports the values of the devil (i.e., Obama). Such a man (i.e., Obama) is a liar, does things quietly to obscure them from the American people, and as such is extremely dangerous.
Robert: Obama supports the values of the devil? Really? You are the worst kind of bigot: one who does not realize he is a bigot.
"Values of the devil"??? REALLY!!! My, aren't WE SELF-RIGHTEOUS!!! So, none of Romneys OUTRIGHT LIES and deceptions are evil, but our OUTSTANDING President, who has pulled us out of the BUSH recession and who has not lied once and has withstood the bogus name-calling and bogus acccusations from uninformed fools such as yourself has "values of the devil"??? Is that because he tells the truth and happens to be black? HMM??? That's what I thought...
Athiests and those who were of like heart were the ones to persecuted and murdered every one of the prophets and apostles, crucified Christ and even murdered millions of people of faith in the former Soviet Union. These people are evil and vial. They are enemies of all men.
So Pontious Pilot was an atheist? I seem to remember the Romans had their gods. I am sure he believed in them as much as you believe in your god myth.
Can you please name us one atheist who killed others because he was trying to "convert" them to atheism?
History is filled to the brim with fundies who have killed to convert others to their myth.
And it is still happening.
Religion is the scurge of humanity.
blah blah Blah blah. You forgot to put a reference to Nazi's in your scare tactic.
"Athiests and those who were of like heart were the ones to persecuted and murdered every one of the prophets and apostle"
Complete and total idiot.
The people who murdered the prophets and apostles were Jewish and Roman. Both had gods. Neither were atheists.
I very much hope you are being sarcastic. If not, you need some serious help.
This is outlandishly untrue.
Of the apostles that were killed – most weren't – the ones whose killers are known were jewish.
As for Soviet Russia, there certainly were some people killed under a regime that promoted atheism, and due to their faith. Certainly not everyone who was killed, however.
Similarly, millions of people died during the crusades in the name of Christ.
Short of land, religion has been the source of more death than any other factor in human history.
1. The "Jesus" of the Bible never existed! The best anybody can claim is that there was HUMAN MAN who started a cult following that later Paul exploited to create Paulism.
2. The ROMANS were not atheists. The Jews are not atheists. And according to your fairytale, it was the Jews and Romans who crucified "Jesus".
3. There would be no Christianity or Catholicism today, if it wasn't for Roman Emperor Constantine. Constantine allowed Paulism to be accepted for POLITICAL GAINS. Constantine wanted to win the support of the POOR and needed a new "God" to combat his enemies. It was a my "God" is better than your "God" so that makes me better than you! Historically evidence says that Constantine was never a Paulist but a Paganist. That is why Christianity has many Paganism roots.
4. Only IRRATIONAL BELIEFS lead to a person wanting to kill people. You may RATIONAL in regards to the [irrational] ideas of "God", but that does not prevent you from being IRRATIONAL about other things, including your POLITICAL IDEOLOGY and desires for POWER and wealth.
So your argument to equate ATHEISTS in the Soviet Union as being killers is FLAWED.
When Christians or Muslims kill in the name of their religion, that is indeed IRRATIONAL and the result of the IRRATIONAL BELIEFS in "God".
Yes, and the hate-mongering atheists have come out in force. These people are surely dogs and filth of the worst sort. There are atheists and practical atheists as per theological scholars, both historic and modern. A practical atheist is someone who claims to be a person who has faith but lives as though he doesn't. Both the Jewish leaders who demanded the crucifixion of Christ and the Roman authorities who were more concerned with their careers than justice were practical atheists. And if you had decent and honest hearts you would be willing to look at this rather than nit picking in hostility. I will tell you the truth. If you remain as you are you are, hostile toward and rejecting of those who tell you of amazing grace, you cursed forever. And your hostility just proves it. God is mighty. You may not fear Him now but one day you will… you most certainly will… when it is too late and your tongue is silenced forever in the flames of Hell.
I guess Hitler Killing Jews, Blacks, gypsys and the like are all not true either. He was adimit atheist.
I" guess Hitler Killing Jews, Blacks, gypsys and the like are all not true either. He was adimit atheist"
No, Hitler was devout christian. Obviously you have never read Mein Kampf.
He murdered atheists, jews gays and non whites.
He proclaimed to be doing god's work.
Hitler hated atheists.
“We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.”
derp might want to do some fact checking Mein Kempf was writting in the 1920's and as he took power and started concentration camps this is what Joseph Goebbels said of Hitler.
It was Goebbels opinion that Hitler was "deeply religious but entirely anti-Christian."
Looks like he changed over the years.
"At the head of our programme there stand no secret surmisings but clear-cut perception and straightforward profession of belief. But since we set as the central point of this perception and of this profession of belief the maintenance and hence the security for the future of a being formed by God, we thus serve the maintenance of a divine work and fulfill a divine will– not in the secret twilight of a new house of worship, but openly before the face of the Lord… Our worship is exclusively the cultivation of the natural, and for that reason, because natural, therefore God-willed. Our humility is the unconditional submission before the divine laws of existence so far as they are known to us men.”
Adolf Hitler 1938
You might want to study a little history yourself.
Oh, and the above quote about stamping out atheism isn't from the 1920's. It was from 1933.
Sorry, Hitler was christian.
He was one of you.
That's ok though, since you guys believe that sinners are forgiven, you will get to hang out with him in heaven.
Looks like your wrong again. Wow you really should do some fact checking.
According to Max Domarus Hitler promoted the idea of God as the creator of Germany, but Hitler was not a Christian or conservative
According to Max Domarus Hitler promoted the idea of God as the creator of Germany, but Hitler was not a Christian or conservative.
Well, according to Hitler, Max Domarus was wrong.
Hitler specifically said...
"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow my self to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice… And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows . For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people."
Yes, his holiness Adlolf Hitler, doing gods work.
“Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.”
"Christianity could not content itself with building up its own altar; it was absolutely forced to undertake the destruction of the heathen altars. Only from this fanatical intolerance could its apodictic faith take form; this intolerance is, in fact, its absolute presupposition."
"The personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living shape of the Jew."
Robert: And you are nothing but a snivelling jesus sucking sycophant
Robert: Your god is an impotent, vindictive petty little pr1ck. You are a vindictive, impotent petty little pr1ck for worshipping this punk.
F you and F your god, punk
ttt: I hate to say it, but you just got OWNED by derp.
There is just as much evidence for the existence of the tooth fairy as there is for Jesus, some might even say more. Millions of children everyday witness the miracle that is the tooth fairy, take their teeth from right under their heads and replace it with money. Children have faith that the tooth fairy will come and do this. They truly believe in the tooth fairy. I doubt Christians have the same amount of faith in Jesus to perform miracles.
Tooth fairy: 1
What is your gig Bob, I mean why bother to post this stuff?
I don't think you're that stupid Bob. I just think you're evil... extremely evil. If you had a decent heart you would be open to the evidence. One of the former presidents of Harvard law school wrote that there is more evidence that would stand up in a court of law, for the resurrection of Jesus Christ than for any other event in history, including the entire life of George Washington. As I said, the problem isn't the evidence. The problem is that you do not have a good and decent heart and are unwilling to face it.
Bob... not very long from now if things keep going the way they are, you will have a lot more to worry about than anyone of any faith.... believe me.
I am guessing Bob is not a christian and did not do any research on facts in his post.
Oh robert you are funny.
@Robert, I'm pretty sure most of that evidence would be struck down as hearsay.
You religious folk have a funny definition of "evil". I usually take it to mean doing harm to others, not the free exchange of ideas. I guess you use a different dictionary than I.
What facts???? You are missing the whole point. There are no facts when dealing with imaginary subjects.
"One of the former presidents of Harvard law school wrote that there is more evidence that would stand up in a court of law, for the resurrection of Jesus Christ than for any other event in history"
That never happened. It's a BS story perpetuated by christians. Name the president of Harvard who said that.
You can't because it was not a president of Harvard; It was a professor, Greenleaf. He was one of the original christian apologists.
His opinions on the evidence for Jesus has been well debunked for over 150 years. Not a shred of it would hold up in a modern court of law.
All of the evidence is hearsay.
There is not a single shred of contemporary evidence to support the existence of Jesus, let alone his divinity.
"Bob... not very long from now if things keep going the way they are, you will have a lot more to worry about than anyone of any faith.... believe me'
Here we go again.
The just and loving god is going to do mean things to me for all eternity because I don't believe in santa claus.
If there is no God it really does not matter what you do or say from an eternal perspective. This is why you must not only deny God but you must believe that your life and that of a whale have the same meaning and purpose.
"If there is no God it really does not matter what you do or say from an eternal perspective"
There is no god.
However, what I say and do can and will certainly have an eternal impact.
I have two children. They will likely have children of their own. My decision to have children, and my actions of producing them, will have further effects on the world for all eternity.
The problem with those of "faith" is that they fail to see how you can effect eternity without living forever.
A whale has offspring also. How is your eternal meaning any different ?
"How is your eternal meaning any different"
Again, you assume that there needs to be some "meaning" to life. There doesn't have to be. Both the whale and I exist. We both have the ability to effect the future. We both have the ability to leave permanent eternal impressions on future generations of any number of living things on this planet.
People of faith live to find dome meaning or purpose. People like me life for the experience. I realize that there is only one shot at this, and enjoy every minute of my terminal ride of this giant space rock. Fortunately for humans, we have evolved far enough to have a greater sense of self awareness than any other species. Unfortunately, many of us waste that sense on trying to find some greater purpose than actually exists. Enjoy the ride. It is amazingly short. There is a reason that religions all revolve around an afterlife. They can't be proven or disproved. It is the perfect waste of time and energy, and gives great comfort to the masses unable to accept that this life is the only one your are going to get.
Jesus did say you must give away this life which will simply turn to dust anyway as well as the gold, silver and great legacy we leave for our kids. Your base assumption is that the gold, fun, legacy stuff is all we get. Both of you cannot be right. Now do I go with derp or Jesus? Forget the fact Jesus said anything you give up in my name will be given back to you 100 fold.
I notice some Christians give mixed signals on what it means to give away all the stuff of this temporal world. In reality based on Able, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Moses, David all the way to the criminal on the cross with Christ it is a matter of att-itude not what you have or have not given up. Yes, God must be number one in your life and the love of God must be first priority. What follows is a life filled with blessings of all sorts. I cannot think of anything worthwhile that I have given up as I look back. Certainly I would have more money if you consider what was given to further the church. I suspect I would find something to do with it but it would not change my life.
I really do not see how you and I end up with lives that were more or less pleasing if there was no God. I fail to see the down side. If you are concerned that I spend time everyday in prayer or encouraging some poor soul as a waste that is a value judgment no different than a believer that looks down on what gays do in their bedrooms. Exactly how is your life better?
"Jesus did say you must give away this life which will simply turn to dust anyway as well as the gold, silver and great legacy we leave for our kids"
You have no idea what Jesus might have said. There is not one shred of contemporary evidence that jesus ever actually existed, let alone what he might have said.
Your base assumption is that the gold, fun, legacy stuff is all we get. Both of you cannot be right. Now do I go with derp or Jesus?"
Well, you can choose to side with an iron age mythical character created by scientifically ignorant nearly illiterate nomads. Or you can chose a more modern 21st century humanistic world view.
I'll leave the iron age fables in the iron age thank you.
Well, go ahead and vote for the Romney-Ryan ticket and you will find out how "intolerance of other ideas" will be practiced by our government. They are going to try to overturn Roe vs Wade, they are going to try to eliminate minimum wage laws, privatize social security, turn medicare into a voucher program..... I could go on and on, but by now you should know all of these things. They have told us that they are going to do all of these thing, yet many average middle class Americans are still giving them the benefit of the doubt, or outright dismissing these facts.
Funny, how I find athiest groups are led chiefly by jews.
@circus: funny how christians read the old testament (aka torah) and don't think they are jews. lmfao
Wow are you ignorant!
^^^ meant for circus...
Zeus loves us all. Just have faith in him.
Romney's religion is no more ludicrous than any other religion.
True. They are all ludicrous.
Giving second-class membership to gays does not count as acceptance.
And yet these crazy Mormons are a step ahead of the boy scouts.
The Boy Scouts of America is a heavily Mormon-funded and supported group. See link from NY Times from four days ago. (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/18/us/mormons-and-scouts-act-as-partners-in-molding-boys.html?pagewanted=all&_r=3&)
I saw a Mormon black man in "The Mormon Candidate". He was imported from England to bring their choir into tune in Salt Lake. He stuck out like a black man at the Mormon Tabernacle Choir.
Or a black man at the Republican convention?
Whether or not Mormons are Christians does not matter to me in the least. Whom the Mormon church allows to be priests does not matter to me in the least. It would not matter to me if the President was Muslim or Hindu or Athiest. Everyone has the right to believe whatever they want to believe, and this applies to politicians as well.
However, what does matter to me is the extent to which a politician bases his public policy on his personal faith. As a politician, you serve the public and the public is not constrained to your faith and therefore you should not legislate according to your faith. Any politician who does so is doing the public he/she represents a disservice.
Of the two candidates running who have a chance to win, I would say that Romney is more likely to legislate according to his faith. Therefore, in this aspect, I am more likely to vote for Obama.
I'm with you.
I have to agree with wrm. Also, this increased "activism" to so called awareness is no more than the beginnings of persecution. This increasingly large number of spoiled people who have never known immense tragedy or loss continue to come down on those who have found sustenance in the Lord.
It takes the spirit of God for the dark to comprehend the light by the love of their lust they have blinded themselves.
What the f v ck are you even talking about ? 8O
And to persecute everyone that is not like them in their faith of the "Lord" have you not seen history from...well the dawn of man to the Greek waring city states, to the Romans, to the roman Catholics, inquisitions, crusades, ect. Yes religion is so persecuted and we should feel so sorry for it.
For hundreds of years the Christian Church had anyone who questioned its authority tortured and killed. Now you have the gall to get offended when we laugh at your ridiculous beliefs.
so please explain to me how everyone that does believe in your god, even though there are many gods around the world, are all going to burn in hell for eternity? tell me how you do not feel that that is arrogant?
Lol, I hope you guys are burned at the stake. Serves you right. How many have died at the hands of the religious?
@grace: don't understand loss or tragedy? ok sure we all lived perfect little lives that nothing ever went wrong.........except for:
(mind you this is my life)
1) witnessing mother get punched in the face at 5 by stepfather
2) being removed from mother custody at 6 while watching sisters cry and having to lie to them to make them feel better.
3) bouncing from one to the next physically and emotionally abusive christian home
4) being bullied due to lack of interest in sports and small stature
5) going to war and watching friends get hurt and/or die in combat
6) growing up being called a "devil worshipper" for not buying into religion.
i could go on however i know no one's life is perfect and i'm atheist because i sat down read your bible read true history and figured out that the bible is BS.
God is a myth for the same reason that the tooth fairy is a myth. They are both man made works of fiction. Imagine how you religious people would feel if you saw the candidates argue over who's interpretation of the tooth fairy was correct. That is how us rational people feel when the candidates fight over who loves god more.
You know how arrogant you sound? If I haven't experience a miracle no one has? Prove that one.
Do you know how silly you sound? "Miracle"... I do not demand nor do I expect any miracles. That is because I'm not crazy. I don't think I can control the outside world with my thoughts, that is what your limbs and mouth are for. And what makes you think that you are not an atheist? You disavow the existence hundreds of man made gods. I just disavow one more than you do.
How come nobody has witnessed a "miracle" that can not also be explained by science or chance? Has anyone ever had a limb, finger, etc. magically appear? I am sure there are enough praying individuals missing a limb or eyeball in the world that if miracles were true, it would have happened by now...
Cora Grace: prove that? Easy.
Every single religion has people who say they have witnessed proof, through miracles or otherwise, that their religion is the one true religion. However, all religions are contradictory. That is, they cannot all be the one true religion.
Therefore, none of them are.
Bob is correct.
AMEN Bob. Pardon the expression.
Bob is 100% correct Cora the explorer.
You yourself don't believe in the 1000s of other's religion's gods, yet get offended when we don't believe in yours.
How is it any different?
Because you grew up in your particular myth and because mommy and daddy say it true then it has to be?
Had you been raised in Saudi Arabia you would be muslim and believe in that brand of myth. In India, it would be hindu.
You are only a xtian because you were born and indoctrinated in a xtian home.
Your god only exists in your mind, nowhere else.
Let go, open your mind and free yourself from religion.......
are they going to follow president obama around and denounce his Christian faith? are they going to follow vice president biden around and denounce his catholic faith? of course they will not. this in itself proves that they are only motivated by hate of one political party over the other.
this makes it a "political effort". the fact that the respondant lies about this being a political effort, proves that the platform of atheism is built on a foundation of lies.
So, because the KKK claims to be Christian, and some Christians are republicans, all republicans are the same as the KKK?
Your suggestion fails because not all atheists support what's being done here. Gross generalizations only make you look ign orant.
Truth: if you do not think that there have been many people that have criticised Obama for his faith, or perceived lack thereof, during the last 4 years then you are not paying attention.
They denounce every faith as they should. Where have you been?
Does this sound any less foolish now than it did decades ago when some people were all concerned about the implications of having the first Catholic president? (Kennedy).
Same thing Kennedy said then applies now, as long as he doesn't make his decision based on religious imperatives his religion is irrelevant.
We don't yet know the implications of having an atheist president, but if an atheist candidate ran, and people cited his lack of religion as a problem, I bet SIlverman would cry murder.
If Mitten's is elected President, there will be for the first time a MORMON PRIEST among the White House religious council.
A Mormon becoming President is part of the Mormon PROPHECY. Mittens becoming President will make Mormons more brainwashed in believing the LIES of "Joseph Smith".
Why has Mormon Bishop Mittens been running for President for 20 years now? VAINITY!
Mormon Bishop Mittens thinks he is a MORMON GOD! By becoming President, he can become a MORMON GOD just like his idol "Joseph Smith".
ATHEISM: The belief that there was nothing, and nothing happened to nothing and then nothing magically exploded for no reason, creating everything, and then a bunch of everything magically rearranged itself for no reason whatsoever into self-replicating bits which then turned into dinosaurs. Makes perfect sense, right?
No because words mean nothing to them
Makes a hell of a lot more sense than an all powerful all knowing god needing to give birth to himself, so that he could sacrifice himself to himself in order to save humanity from the punishment that he condemned us to.
makes more sense than "there was just one microscopic atom in all of 'non-creation' and for an unknown reason, this one atom exploded and from this atom, all other atoms came to be. and then somehow they all got together and melded into the perfet mixture of air and water and land and started to further meld and evolute, and became animals. from these microscoptic one-celled animals, rose the behemouths of the land and water, the dinosaurs. these lasted a while, but even the atoms of the might t-rex decided it was a change and the atoms got together and became modern-day chickens."
now, in my belief, there was a 'big bang'. fortunately it did not get out of hand because God pressed the detenator and everything in heaven came to exist. from that, His version of the Adam, came all men and women."
hmmmmm.....seems to me that a logical minde would find for the Adam, over the atom.
I love when people post this, because it displays their own igno rance over who atheists are, and what they think.
You believe there was a "single atom" at the start of the big bang?
Umm, hi, you do realize that at the start of the big bang:
The entire universe was far too hot for subatomic paticles to form – everything existed as energy.
The universe contains both matter and anti-matter, and it's likely that matter and anti-matter exist in the universe in equal pairings but unequal distribution.
Your definition of ATHEISM is completely. ATHEISM is not a belief. ATHEISM does not make claims about what was before the BIG BANG either.
ATHEISM is simply the opposite of THEISM. ATHEISM is the LACK-OF BELIEF in "God(s)".
Imagine a cup of water. A full cup is analogous to a the belief in "God(s)" by a PRIEST. Most other theists are less than a full cup. An ATHEIST is simply an empty cup.
An ATHEISM is the LOGICAL DEFAULT state. Why you ask?
Because nobody can answer this question: What is "God"?
What true, rational atheists believe is that we don't have the answers yet. That's what science will hopefully eventually reveal to us: the origins of the universe, the origin of life, extraterrestrial life etc... Atheists would much rather believe that we have not yet discovered the answers than believe that some magical cloud man just decided he was bored one day and created everything. Further, any rational person who believes in a religion while denouncing the beliefs of others is a hypocrite of the highest order. That's the difference. Religion requires you to just, you know, believe, while atheism requires you to prove. I can understand religion being popular before electricity, and I see the need for those raised on to perpetuate it, but why force strangers to prescribe to your notions? What atheists preach is that you consider facts, while religious activists ask you to consider heresay. Which raises a good bullet point: Could you defend the existence of God in a court of law? What evidence would you use? I admit there is no evidence to the contrary, because you can't prove that something doesn't exist, even if it doesn't exist, but the onus of proof is on the believers. Like innocent until proven guilty, god is a lie until proven true.
RELIGION- there has always been this invisible magical man with no explanation, got bored and thought hey i want some company and *POOF* created everything from nothing besides man that he used dirt to make and women that he used a rib to create then for the next generation a lot of incest happened and now we are at 6 billion people in only 6,000 years were the majority of people will suffer for eternity to do not believe in him, even though he could easily save them...
Yep, sounds like you got it mostly right, makes more sense than a creator being(s)
Atheism is simply the denial of belief in the existence of a god. That's all. No proof, no belief. Simple. Now believing in a god should require of an inquisitive mind some sort of proof. Not just hearing it from mom and dad and the local clergy again and again. That's called brainwashing. Which most people suffer from. Remember...extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Carl Sagan.
Cause an old man in the sky living on streets of gold sounds more plausible? how?
Archie: you need to take a physics class. The amount of matter in the universe is constant. Therefore, if there is something now (that is, we are not all dreaming), then there has always been something. Christians believe that God created something out of nothing, not athiests.
In addition, not all athiests believe the same thing. They just don't believe in a higher power.
Pretty weak using the parentheticals, guys. If you're going to claim to be smart then act like it. This kind of nonsense makes you look no better than the rest of them.
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