By Dan Merica, CNN
Washington (CNN) – When he campaigns in southern Florida on Monday, Mitt Romney will have an unwelcome traveling partner: a mobile billboard attacking his religion.
The billboard on wheels, sponsored by American Atheists, attacks the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints for its treatment of African-Americans and gays, though the church says the attacks are inaccurate.
The billboard, which American Atheists says will follow the Romney campaign for seven days, features two messages on Mormonism: “No Blacks Allowed (until 1978)” and “No Gays Allowed (Current).”
The first line is a reference to the church’s practice of denying lay priesthood to black male members until 1978.
Though the church did not allow black male members to be ordained before that year – when the church head says he received a revelation to reverse the policy – it did allow blacks and members of all racial and ethnic groups to be church members. According to The Second Book of Nephi, a part of Mormon doctrine, “Black and white, bond and free, male and female; … all are alike unto God.”
The billboard’s second line refers to what American Atheists President David Silverman says is the religion's “intolerance” and “bigotry” when it comes to the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community.
But the church denies such categorizations. It accepts gay members, though church doctrine condemning homosexuality has not changed and the church strongly opposes same-sex marriage. Some gay rights activists say the church is subtly growing friendlier toward the LGBT community, including voicing support for some gay rights.
"People are surely free to disagree with us on the facts," Dale Jones, a church spokesman, wrote in an e-mail to CNN. "This group seems not to know that there have been black members of the Church since our earliest history, and there are many faithful gay members of the Church today."
Jones continued: "We would be happy to introduce the (American Atheists president) to any of our millions of members of different ethnicity who would be happy to educate him on our racial diversity."
Silverman denies the billboard, which is costing the group $8,000, is an attack on Romney specifically. A spokeswoman for the Romney campaign said she would not comment on the sign.
“Nobody seems to be talking about the implications of having a very religious Mormon president,” Silverman said. “There are a lot of things about Mormons that people don’t know, including the fact that racism is an important part of their dogma.”
The LDS Church has largely tried to stay out of the politics surrounding the presidential campaign, even though it has received increased attention due to Romney’s candidacy. This billboard, writes Jones, is "obviously" about the "personal politics" of American Atheists.
"We have consistently kept out of the political campaign," Jones wrote. "People can see this (billboard) for what it is."
American Atheists has a long history in using billboards to call out religion and get its message out. During the political conventions in August and September, the group put up billboards attacking Mormonism and Christianity, taking aim at the faith of both presidential candidates.
This mobile billboard, however, is a departure from the standard American Atheist tactic of multiple billboards on multiple religions. According to Silverman, this is because Romney’s faith hasn’t been addressed enough in the 2012 election.
“We all understand the implications of having a Christian president. We do not understand the implications of having a Mormon president,” Silverman said. “We are not taking a position on the election, we are taking a stance on ignorance.”
so, is the same billboard going to follow harry reid around when he runs for re-election?
The better ad:
• There was no Abraham i.e. the foundations of Judaism, Christianity and Islam are non-existent.
• There was no Moses i.e the pillars of Judaism, Christianity and Islam have no strength of purpose.
• There was no Gabriel i.e. Islam fails as a religion. Christianity partially fails.
• There was no Easter i.e. Christianity completely fails as a religion.
• There was no Moroni i.e. Mormonism is nothing more than a business cult.
• Sacred/revered cows, monkey gods, castes, reincarnations and therefore Hinduism fails as a religion.
• Fat Buddhas here, skinny Buddhas there, reincarnated/reborn Buddhas everywhere makes for a no on Buddhism.
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.....
"Fat Buddhas here, skinny Buddhas there, reincarnated/reborn Buddhas everywhere makes for a no on Buddhism."
Buddhism explicitly rejects the existence of a creator deity, refuses to endorse any views on creation and believes that questions on the origin of the world are worthless. The non-adherence to the notion of an omnipotent creator deity or a prime mover is seen by many as a key distinction between Buddhism and other religions. Rather, Buddhism emphasizes the system of causal relationships underlying the universe which constltute the natural order (dharma).
Mormons believe that every single word of their prophet, present and past is absolute and cannot be wrong. So here are some things said by the second Prophet of the Mormon Church...do you think he might have been a bigot?
Brigham Young comments about blacks
"You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind....Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would have put a termination to that line of human beings. This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 290).
"In our first settlement in Missouri, it was said by our enemies that we intended to tamper with the slaves, not that we had any idea of the kind, for such a thing never entered our minds. We knew that the children of Ham were to be the "servant of servants," and no power under heaven could hinder it, so long as the Lord would permit them to welter under the curse and those were known to be our religious views concerning them." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p. 172).
"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 10, p. 110).
What nonsense! What if the prophet tells a joke? Nothing is scripture unless the 1st presidency says so and the church has voted on it. However, our leaders are all men of experience and very wise and we take their counsel seriously, but we give more weight to living prophets than we do to dead ones because they are here and now and give cousel specific to our time.
@MOCKING Then why do you put so much faith in what Smith wrote or even what is written about Jesus??? Aren't they both dead? By your logic, you should not have much faith in what they said or did.
I have complete faith in what Joseph Smith says unless our current prophet under revelation gives a new commandment. Then I would abide by that commandment because it is current. An example is poligamy. We now live monogamy because that is God's commandment to us at the current time.
You make a bold statement in stating the LDS church no longer practices polygamy.
do you know the truth about polygamy and the LDS church?
Because of US law the church ceased polygamy for living members. They never ceased and continue to seal multiple wives to men for the celestial kingdom.(after death)
In other words they continue to practice God's everlasting command in heaven.
If you are not high enough in the LDS organization to know the facts, I would be happy to post the current instruction in this area for you.
What's your point? Why do you care what they do in heaven? You are never going to go there, so why should you care?
You know, I don't get you exmormons at all! Why don't you just leave the church alone and go on with your life? Why do you feel so compelled to keep attacking the church? You are so unhappy and miserable! You could not keep the commandments and live up to the high standards of the church, so instead of taking personal responsibility for your sin and weakness, you blame the judge! Did the judge commit your crime or was the judge responsible for your weak character? Bring forth fruits of repentance and humility and the judge is merciful and kind and willing to forgive!
"You are never going to go there, so why should you care?"
Ah, now Mr.Jay shows his true colors.
Remember sir, you can lie for Christ and it's okay, don't tell them any of the real truths they just arent ready to handle.
I'm sorry, "The Mockingjay", but your continued claim of the existence of a supreme "judge" is unfounded. Regarding the various "witnesses" that involve the Joseph Smith & Co. families, I will address that notion using my Idiomatic Expression Equivalency module (IEE). The best expressions that correctly address the validity of "witnesses" to gold tablets and an angel are "Oh Please!" and "Really???"
I notice you repeat these unfounded claims regarding a supreme judge and the credibility of the Mormon religion. Perhaps the following book can help you:
I'm Told I Have Dementia: What You Can Do... Who You Can Turn to...
by the Alzheimer's Disease Society
Why do you feel so compelled to keep attacking THE church? You are so unhappy and miserable! You could not keep OUR commandments and live up to OUR high standards of THE church, so instead of taking personal responsibility for your sin and weakness, you blame the judge!
No one is blaming the judge, we are just pointing at you and laughing becauise you are a hairs breadth away from certifiably insane. You believe God is infallible and divinely inspired Joseph Smith but then later divinely inspired the new leaders to change core doctrine of the church for the expedience of being accepted by a worldly government because apparently the worldy government is stronger than your God so your God had to change his position. You should not only doubt the foundations of your faith, you need to doubt the whole kit and caboodle because if one end of a vat of milk has gone bad it's a good bet the other end of the vat is sour as well.
The Mockingjay wrote: " . .you are a hairs breadth away from certifiably insane . ."
ha ha ha – oh I needed a laugh today. The chance that your deities exist are as much as me being able to send thousands of black flies to your place have them fly out of your usb ports and just pester you into insanity. (Actually, your case has even less a chance – I forgot I have a very good old lady friend from New Orleans who can really make some weird shit happen.)
I repeat, I don't get you exmormons at all! Why don't you just leave the church alone and go on with your life? Why do you feel so compelled to keep attacking the church? You are so unhappy and miserable! You could not keep the commandments and live up to the high standards of the church, so instead of taking personal responsibility for your sin and weakness, you blame the judge! Did the judge commit your crime or was the judge responsible for your weak character? Bring forth fruits of repentance and humility and the judge is merciful and kind and willing to forgive!
What's all this about a judge, MJ. You mean God? Well if there is one, you certainly can't speak for her. No one knows anything about that dang God. People just tried their best to make up stuff, but it came out all stupid – especially all that Mormon hocus pocus. Calm down and have a beer, MJ.
For MJ, my most favorite Poe...
I repeat, I don't get you exmormons at all! Why don't you just leave the church alone and go on with your life? Why do you feel so compelled to keep attacking the church?
Shall people not resist and fight fraud? Your creator of your religion (j Smith) was a fraud, con-artist and criminal. I dont even have to believe in a god to see that Mormonism has ZERO integrity. The seed of Mormonism (Joseph Smith) was corrupt and lacked integrity...that kind of narrows down Mormonism.
Do you believe people should know the truth. Do you consider presenting facts for people to know and understand the TRUTH is an attack?
You have done nothing here but ridicule people who express the importance of truth. Do you believe truth should be suppressed?
So Pastmorm, you are implying what Brigham Young says in the Journal of Discourses is official church doctrine, when in reality it is not and never was. There is a reason why the Journal of Discourses is not considered actual scripture like the Book of Mormon. Because the Journal of Discourses contained opinions and personal viewpoints as opposed to actual official revelation.
You know, I am sure you all (not you Kevin) can find your way to hell without me sitting here holding your hands and I really don't care much about your justifications and rationalizations. You all know right from wrong and you made your choices, so don't come whimpering to me about it. Good evening.
The only one whining here is you, MJ, you big baby. You got served and now you're all butt-hurt about it.
Get lost. No one asked for your advice and unless someone does, it's not welcome.
Right on Tom! It's so easy for mormons to demand silence from people that disagree with them...sounds like communist thinking doesn't it? Cheers MJ, glad you're done with your tantrum and you're leaving now.
Let's delve a little further into the facts. I will let you comment on whether it is true or not, and look forward to your continued truthful responses to the best of your knowledge.
This ban on men of a certain skin color from the preisthood was not the only ban on these people. No person of the wrong color skin could enter the mormon temple.
Mormon beliefs (again please correct me, as I am not taking the time to state any sources here...but can if necessary) are that to receive God's complete and ultimate blessing, a person must be worthy of entering the temple, performing ordinances, and being sealed for time and eternity as a husband/wife and family. This must be done to achieve the highest level of Mormon heavens.
If one does not go through this process, they are relegated to a lower heaven.
Prior to 1978, due to skin color; regardless of how well one of these people of color led their life and even if they followed all the mormon doctrine to the letter, and were in fact leading better lives in the doctrines than all those with white skins; they could not enter the temple with thier familites to be sealed for time and eternity.
Male non-colored priests could enter, non-colored women could enter, non-colored boys could enter and non-colored girls could enter the temple to receive God's full blessings.
I sincerely pray that one day the mormon leadership humbles themselves and denounces the doctrine. It will be a tremendous burden off the backs of so many who try to defend this as right, and it will lead down the road of freedom
Prayer changes things .
Atheism is normal. Every religion could be said to be "unhealthy" because over the centuries people of faith have been practicing "pick and choose" to what parts of their religion they like and don't like. However, if they were "true" followers, they should follow every bigoted, hateful, mysogynistic law written in every "holy" book. So even though someone may say "I am a good Christian/Muslim/Jew," and "interpret" religious ways of life to "fit" within our society now, he or she is actually just feeding and fueling the ignorance that should have gone the way of the dodo centuries ago.
We do baptisms and marriages for dead people. We have secret names that we can keep from our wives, but our wives have to tell us theirs. Our wives have to follow one step behind us to show that we men have Gods power – the priesthood, and that they, as women NEVER will. We used to have a blood oath, but that was done away with in the early 90's. Most mormons deny it, but you can look it up on google.
why are non-Mormons not allowed in the Temple in Salt Lake City, Ut???
Our chapels are open to all who want to worship with us. Temples are holy and special and are reserved for more spiritual worship.
Because of the rituals done in the mormon temples...they would scare non-mormons.
The temple is a spiritual place. Without the spirit, I think most people would find the temple just another boring church meeting. I don't think they would get anything out of it at all. But, with the spirit, fabulous revelations take place and we understand things that we never understood before.
the truth is out there!
Nothing is more annoying than a holier-than-thou evangelical atheist.
Yes there is, believing you have a personal relationship with the creator of the universe.....and claiming you have to be humble to do so.
We are often holier than thou, literally. Do we need to discuss Ted Haggard here?
Sounds like a lot people here have a case of ROMNESIA....OBAMA WINS FLORIDA
A great talk by one of the Church's General Authorities (Leaders), about the Blessings that come from the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
"One small step for Mitt Romney, one giant step for Joseph Smith". CNN Loud Mouth
American Atheists,now don't make me ashamed to call myself that next.Don't like the direction you are going when there are many other issues that you should be addressing like:Watch dogging that there is an unfaltering separation of Church and State which appears to be very non existant at this point.Whatever the beliefs of the candidates should be no concern of yours-What should be your concern and where your money should go is in guaranteeing that Church, whatever it may be or whatever their beliefs is absolutely forbidden to influence the lawmakers decisions.An acknowledgement of a candidates religion is an aknowledgement that it still matters in American politics and that is your failure.Any money collected by your organisation should be directed towards ensuring that religion can not play a part in our governments' decisions as was originally intended .Separation of Church and State is what should be your only concern and agenda.
beall...you sound like a religion yourself with all the RULES you're telling atheists to abide by....interesting...
I'm not sure, but I don't think @beall even once claimed supernatural justification for his opinions.
I want you ME II....I need you badly....oh yeah man.....
Masquerading as others is childish.
Thanks for telling me what my concerns should be.
This sign should also read SHAME ON MITT ROMNEY. America might elect a man who was the PASTOR of a church that discriminated against blacks. Mitt would have been preaching, teaching and counselling his congregants that God made black people unworthy to be in a leadership position like he himself was in! (Maybe 1978 marks the beginning Mitt Romney's flip-flopping days?)
Even though I am a mormon and I am paid by the mormon church to attack people on these posts because the church is so afraid that people will start to believe a lot of the things that they have kept secret for generations...
I have to admit that I feel bad for being such a low-life by picking on people without having any substance myself. I guess that's what you can expect from someone that only has a 5th grade level intelligence. I talk into a microphone and this thing writes everything out so it sounds better.
So ahead of anything else that I say, I'm sorry, but I need the money.
I type my words into a microphone because I have an IQ of 17 and this is the only job I can get.
It doesn't matter what the guy's religion is....his policies are what this country needs to get back on track economically and fiscally.
And the man I'm talking about is President Obama. He is the only one that can save our country!
Nice Try Troll....Lets be clear who I was talking about in my original post....Romney 2012
I don't know why I just called myself a troll! Well, it could be because I hang out around the public bathrooms at night...
But Obama is my man. I mean, I do love Romney, I'd like to cuddle with him actually...but Obama is the best man for the White House. Romney is a communist mormon-freak!
Wow you really have nothing better to do ?
Actually Common, I think that you do have a problem if you can't make up your mind....you sound kinda mental.
Masquerading as other people is childish.
If Mitt Romney were a Democrat, the Religious Right would be calling him the Anti-Christ, saying how perverse Mormonism is, how dangerous it was, and how all its followers were a cult going to hell. Religion only matters when it matters to Republicans.
Can someone bring me some toilet paper? I didn't check the roll before I sat down...
Mormonism is very different from the Christian faith. The Book of Mormon questions & tried to correct the Bible with "Joseph's Smith's" interpretations. There are many theological differences between Mormonism and Christianity. The Mormon teaches from the very beginning have promoted discrimination, hatred, and racism. These are things that are not of Christ. That is the test that the Mormon faith fails time and time again.
Please read and educate yourself. http://carm.org/mormonism
" promoted discrimination, hatred, and racism."
Elliot, could you tell me why the Southern Baptist Convention was formed? Maybe you could explain why half of all republicans in Mississippi (not a big Mormon stronghold) said that interraial marriage should be illegal?
Mormonism is not the only place where racism and discrimination resides in religion; but it is certainly propagated through Mormonism. Even the infamous "Klan" views their convictions to be soundly based on religious beliefs. The premise of racism being elsewhere in religion does not it make it less important for Mormonism to be exposed for what it is now and what it has historically stood for.
As an agnostic non-mormon who lived in Utah for 20 years, I say that the Mormon Religion is no stranger than any other.
And that is a great opinion steve younger...now on to the other people that differ with your view. You obviously like mormons because you've stayed in UTAH....
People, please educate yourself before it's too late and we have a President that will turn over our country to his Church!!!
Romney's faith has been ignored far to long in this debate. Why on earth the media has ignored the fact that a man that belongs to a VERY dangerous cult could run our country, is beyond me. If you think I am bias, then look up: White Horse Prophesy, Temple rituals, (including secret names, swearing to keep all secret through the threat of suicide, oil on all 7 chakra areas, women walking one step behind their husband at all times, etc) The law of Consecration (communism), Joseph Smiths history as a crook. Joseph Smith believing that he would be King over America after he transformed it into a THEOCRACY (destroying what our forefathers created), High domestic violence, RX abuse higher in UTAH than other states....I could go on, but people please educate yourselves. Mormon.org is a propaganda machine. Now watch as the mormons attack me not realizing that I'm a 7th generation mormon with a father and Aunt working as temple workers. I know what I'm talking about.
Bitterness? Yes. Truth? Nope
And thank you TIM for being the first mormon (that I mentioned in my first post) to step forward and criticize me WITHOUT denying the truth of any of what I said. Deny that you believe that you will become a god yourself (creepy), DENY that GOD was once a man like you are now...DENY that you do temple rituals with secret names that you can keep from your wife, but she has to tell you hers...DENY that Joseph Smith was a THEOCRAT (you can't because it's public record). So don't call me a liar...look in the mirror buddy.
I am soooo glad you posted this! I believe you are a credible voice in this time. My husband and I have a daughter in law (our son's wife) who is Mormon and comes from a long generation of Mormons. My husband and the rest of our family are Christians. We have seen some real issues of control from the Mormon church (or Wards as they are called) and how they have controlled my daughter in law's life and trying to control my son with having him provide them his paychecks each month and then in turn, the church will pay their bills. It's really twisted and did I mention, we are Black our daughter in law is White. The "coldness" we have felt when we've attended things at the Ward for our granddaughter, still send a chill up my spine. People, if you want to understand more, please educate yourself on what the REAL agenda is of Mitt Romney! We are really in for it, as a people, if we back what he REALLY believes!
pastmorm that just isnt true. you have no idea what youre talking about.
"...trying to control my son with having him provide them his paychecks each month..."
Well, tell him to stop. Oh, right he's a grown man and can make his own choices. Oh well.
Thank you 4Jesus, it's good to have someone else speak up and tell the truth of their own experience. I'm so sorry that you've had to endure the dishonesty and bigotry of the mormon church. When I was on my mission in Georgia, I baptized a Black family and they were treated HORRIBLY by the ward afterward. I felt like I'd destroyed that families life by taking them away from what they had believed and throwing them into a den of bigoted, hateful lions. I only hope that your daughter-in-law wakes up to what is happening to her family and lets love shine over cult control.
Kesley, again, another mormon that calls me a liar, doesn't know me and yet cannot deny the VERY things that I am asking you to deny in my original post. Get a spine and look in the mirror next time you accuse someone of lying.
As you can tell, I'm a bitter, angry man that needs to put other people down because it makes me feel "bigger."
Phony @ME II,
You also broke a few of your big 10 by being a liar and an impostor.
And then some of us are families that discovered the truth...to late...
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