By Dan Merica, CNN
Washington (CNN) – When he campaigns in southern Florida on Monday, Mitt Romney will have an unwelcome traveling partner: a mobile billboard attacking his religion.
The billboard on wheels, sponsored by American Atheists, attacks the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints for its treatment of African-Americans and gays, though the church says the attacks are inaccurate.
The billboard, which American Atheists says will follow the Romney campaign for seven days, features two messages on Mormonism: “No Blacks Allowed (until 1978)” and “No Gays Allowed (Current).”
The first line is a reference to the church’s practice of denying lay priesthood to black male members until 1978.
Though the church did not allow black male members to be ordained before that year – when the church head says he received a revelation to reverse the policy – it did allow blacks and members of all racial and ethnic groups to be church members. According to The Second Book of Nephi, a part of Mormon doctrine, “Black and white, bond and free, male and female; … all are alike unto God.”
The billboard’s second line refers to what American Atheists President David Silverman says is the religion's “intolerance” and “bigotry” when it comes to the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community.
But the church denies such categorizations. It accepts gay members, though church doctrine condemning homosexuality has not changed and the church strongly opposes same-sex marriage. Some gay rights activists say the church is subtly growing friendlier toward the LGBT community, including voicing support for some gay rights.
"People are surely free to disagree with us on the facts," Dale Jones, a church spokesman, wrote in an e-mail to CNN. "This group seems not to know that there have been black members of the Church since our earliest history, and there are many faithful gay members of the Church today."
Jones continued: "We would be happy to introduce the (American Atheists president) to any of our millions of members of different ethnicity who would be happy to educate him on our racial diversity."
Silverman denies the billboard, which is costing the group $8,000, is an attack on Romney specifically. A spokeswoman for the Romney campaign said she would not comment on the sign.
“Nobody seems to be talking about the implications of having a very religious Mormon president,” Silverman said. “There are a lot of things about Mormons that people don’t know, including the fact that racism is an important part of their dogma.”
The LDS Church has largely tried to stay out of the politics surrounding the presidential campaign, even though it has received increased attention due to Romney’s candidacy. This billboard, writes Jones, is "obviously" about the "personal politics" of American Atheists.
"We have consistently kept out of the political campaign," Jones wrote. "People can see this (billboard) for what it is."
American Atheists has a long history in using billboards to call out religion and get its message out. During the political conventions in August and September, the group put up billboards attacking Mormonism and Christianity, taking aim at the faith of both presidential candidates.
This mobile billboard, however, is a departure from the standard American Atheist tactic of multiple billboards on multiple religions. According to Silverman, this is because Romney’s faith hasn’t been addressed enough in the 2012 election.
“We all understand the implications of having a Christian president. We do not understand the implications of having a Mormon president,” Silverman said. “We are not taking a position on the election, we are taking a stance on ignorance.”
when I see evil fighting evil it makes me think that
Wow. What a profound, convincing, moving and utterly transforming piece of nonsense.
Push back against the atheists. Vote Romney/Ryan on November 6th!
Y'know, I could just as well vote for Obama-Biden, as their religious candidates too. That said, the respective religions of the two sides don't matter one bit to me. Their character, politics, and policies, however, do.
AMEN. Better a Mormon than a Muslim.
All religions harm everyone, especially women and children. It is time to for us to see religion for what it truly is: an organization of greedy men looking to get richer from the scared and ignorant masses.
I second that emotion...
See, I've finally admitted that I'm a sick man with a SEVERE personality disorder. You have no idea how much pleasure I've gotten out of pushing peoples buttons on here. I am a mormon and I'm a true example of how mormons operate. We manipulate, scam and intimidate people until they feel so belittled they attack back and then we accuse them of attacking us. Yep, we're a religion that teaches and encourages mental illness in the form of Borderline Personality disorders. HA HA! I got the last laugh!!!!!!!
Did your parents withhold attention from you when you were 4? I'm sure you can recall, since that was only a year ago.
Ok, ok, I guess I should confess. I just love to pull the devils beard and watch him jump up and down and hollar. It is absolutely hilarious! But, I guess I have had enough fun for today. You know, you should not be serving that dirt bag. He will abandon you in the end.
I would like an explanation why you people are attacking the mormon church. Why do you feel compelled to attack it when the church did not attack you? Just a simple explanation!
Because the Morman church is a fraudulant scam (as is all religion).
That is not an explanation. The mormon church did not attack you. Why are you attacking the mormon church?
Well just read the billboard above, MJ.
Mormons have made dramatic changes to some of their core tenets, but only at times when it was politically necessary for them to do so. I think many people see right through that. I can see where some would think it's an insult to their intelligence.
And people don't like spam. The Mormon religion is spam.
The Joseph Smith Families of Witnesses, Inc. sure pulled a good one on some gullible people in the early 19th century.
The Mormon church spreads lies, calling out liars is not an attack.
Ha HA! I fooled all of you into believing I cared! I'm just a sicko that loves to pull your strings!
But don't get me wrong, I'm still proud to be a mormon and I believe in what the mormons teach; anybody that insults us will be punished!
I thought the Mormon church was involved with anti-gay legislation? As a person with gay relatives, that is an attack on my family.
It isn't just the mormon church doing that.
Cult: Characteristics of the Mormon Church
1. Teaching that the doctrine of the Mormon Church is reality, the doctrine is to be accepted, not understood.
2. Reality is black and white, good and evil, spiritual world versus physical word. As an example, the Mormon Church cult is the only true church on the face of the earth.
3. Mormon Church members are taught to feel part of an elite corps. Following and accepting church doctrine insures members eternal life and a delightful life in heaven.
4. The Mormon Church promotes a sense of community with love and friendship, with special flattery and attention to new members
5. Mormon Church members are manipulated through fear and guilt, fear that if they don’t practice church doctrine faithfully, that they will fail to reach the highest levels of heaven, fear that if they don’t wear their garments, that they will not be protected by God.
6. Mormon Church members are taught that any problems that they may have are due to their own inadequacies. If they are having marital, financial or other difficult problems, it is because they are not following church doctrine, or are not praying enough. Guilt, fear and shame are present in the minds of Mormons, if they are not loyal, and fail to follow the church doctrine.
7. Unlike non-cult organizations, Mormon Church members find it difficult to leave, when they find out that church teachings are false, or otherwise become disenchanted with the church. Terrible things may happen to them, and their family if they leave. Those who do leave, often lose their family, friends and other social contacts within the Mormon community.
I replaced mormon with most any other form of deity worship and it read pretty much the same.
But then again, I replaced "mormon" with any other religion because I'm a mormon and can see no wrong in my church, but see ALL wrong in any other church. So discount my opinion, it's offensive.
Oh good, I finally have a mini-me.
If my dimwitted shadow wasn't so.... well.... dimwitted, it would know that I am not mormon.
More free now!
True happiness now.
Judge not lest ye be judged...
Free of a cult.
Thinking for myself.
Please visit I am an ex mormon dot com to see how many people have found true freedom and true happiness by leaving the mormon church. This character, "the mocking" has a belief that anyone that that disagrees with the mormon church is "unbelievable." We want people to know that we, that have struggled with the mormon church, both during and after, have a story to tell and we would appreciate it it anyone with an open mind would try to understand why. Please visit our site and listen to our stories. We are really people. We're not ritzy, dressed up commercials or pretty, made up, beautiful buildings like mormon.org. We're real people just like you.
It's been said that "ye shall know them by the fruits of their labors." We want to be free of the mormon church and people like "the mock" persecute us endlessly. I think that says a great deal about who that person is.
"That is just your opinion and means nothing."
Sorry, my arguments are based on facts and academically supported... Whether you can deal with the facts is up to you..
Thank-you for saying you are sorry. You should be.
I should be sorry for what? Tell the truth and laying out facts? .. Well ok, I am sorry the facts hurt your position, and that you need to resort to dogma ect as a form of debate. :/ Academically, you will not win this debate with me.
You did have a small point on a bearded GOD, but I wonder how much you understand where that comes from.. Little hint, it has to do with mountain GOD worship and is typical of religions that have mountain GOD's.. It's not however pointing to a single particular GOD.. These two articles I wrote might interest you:
(google them since I seemingly can't post links)
Mountain GOD Worship: Yahweh, God of the Mountains:
Yahweh: The worshiping of a Volcano / fire GOD of War:
You appear to unfamiliar with chiasmus and Hebrew styles of writing.
"You appear to unfamiliar with chiasmus and Hebrew styles of writing."
Sorry, Chaismus in the Hebrew and Greek texts are not relevant here. Please try again.
To whom, you? Charlie, you are not an expert on anything!
Who's Charlie? And you would be very surprised to know how well informed I am on this subject. You trying to use writing styles to somehow make yourself credible was a bit interesting giving such styles are not restricted to "Christianity". Such styles preexisted Christianity and can be found in much of the works of Pagan Philosophers. In fact Christianity is not restricted to such style writing as it incorporates other styles of writing that existed at that time period. And none of that has anything to do with what I was discussing..
You are just proving my point. Chiasmus was only known to a handful of individuals when Joseph Smith was alive. Joseph Smith was an uneducated farm boy and yet the Book of Mormon has plenty of chiasmus. There is no way Joseph Smith could have known about it and it was not discovered in the Book of Mormon until the late 60s
And, Billy, you are a fraud. Why don't you come on out of your parents basement?
What seems more likely? That Joseph Smith was an intelligent man with a good grasp of writing and language, or that a man read a book off of golden plates that he was able to read by looking in to his hat? The mental acrobatics that believers can do always astounds me.
Sorry kiddo, I am not proving your point as Chiasmus is largely something you can find in many writing styles.. The writing styles are not specific to anything regarding what I had mentioned to you.
"Joseph Smith was an uneducated farm boy and yet the Book of Mormon has plenty of chiasmus."
So what... you can find it in Pagan writings and even in other literature.. It's not relevant, and it won't make the writing on the GOLD plates magically a "reformed" Egyptian language either.. You clear haven't a clue as to what you are talking about. And you are right, he was uneducated in this subject and you can tell why when people who are actually reviewed his claims.. You may as well join scientology because that is about how made up Mormon religion is..
If athiests are so confident that God does not exist why do they seek proof from believers?
Depends on who's GOD you are talking about.. So far, only one religion has proven the existence of their GOD, and that is the Pantheists.. And the Pantheist GOD here in the modern era is Existence itself as existence is the sum total of all that which is to which includes every force to cause. Existence is the source origin of everything, and everything that exists is an emergent property of it. We are in and of existences, and there is no GOD of existence but existence itself. Even the Christians are begging to need the Pantheist GOD to claim that their GOD magically exists.. So two fundamental questions arise here:
What is GOD without existence?
If Existence isn't GOD, what in and of existence are we supposed to consider as GOD?
And if Existence is GOD, what in and of existence isn't GOD?
You can't move the GOD goal post any further than existence itself... So the concept is moot
That's a good way to look at things, charles. Next time you buy a house, don't ask for proof that it doesn't sit in a swamp, just take it on faith that those pictures of it in the housing magazine are the real deal. Don't take that car for a test drive, take it on faith that the dealer is on the up and up. People don't lie or overhype what they have to offer, right...... right?
"The witnesses, while a very strong testimony of the truthfulness of the gospel contained in the Book of Mormon and its origins, they are not the only evidences. There are many. The presence of chiasmus within its text, the wordprint studies verifying the difference in writing styles of the different books within the BoM, the use of cement which the critics said didn't exist actually did happen, Hebrew style writing, and Hebrew law within its pages are just a very few of those evidences. Those things could not have been researched in rural New York or even in NYC at the time Joseph translated the plates. It doesn't hit us all the same way. I've known missionaries that have poor testimonies and poor unschooled individuals that know more about God's plan than many supposed scholars. Those testimonies are valid.
Sorry, anyone that has done so much as a novice level of research regarding the book of Mormon knows that it is based on a lie and archeological fraud.. It's use of the Christian Gospels are not relevant here, and the Gospels them selves are not evidence of the existence of "Jesus" as they are not contemporary records, and many of which contain plagiarism of Pagan philosophers.. Even the stilling of the Tempest is essentially plagiarism of the Odyssey, and various parts of the Psalms. Now I could also go into a lot of detail here concerning Christianity the Egyptians and how a good chunk of Christianity came from the Egyptians..
Also the Plates do not contain enough to translate anything into some sort of promo language. It's entirely based on made up nonsense and is considered by everyone but them of course as a fraudulent claim and a perfect example of bad archeology. It doesn't matter if you think they couldn't investigate it as that is avoiding the issue..
That is just your opinion and means nothing.
And "mockingjay" (your names shows how unhealthy you are...all you do is mock people) your view means nothing and you have nothing intelligent to say. You bring shame to other Mormons! We really want you to shut up.
I am not an atheist but I can understand this groups concern. Having a Mormon president is a complete unknown and talk about a religion with lots of baggage, they are so far off the charts of cult status, they don't even deserve to be dignified with the term religion. I am sorry, but polygamy, racism, flip-flopping constantly in their beliefs, where are they going next? I don't judge Mitt Romney completely based on his religion, but think about it, you have to completely ignore the history of your religion to give it any credence whatsoever. Therefore you have to turn a blind eye to those leaders that gave you the religion. A Mormon must believe that at one time God had told their people that polygamy was alright, now he doesn't. At one time God had told them to exclude other races of people, now he doesn't. That is a religion that has no right to be dignified with the term religion. It is a hangout for fools.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the only church that could possibly be the true one since none of the other churches have a leg to stand on. Only the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is built on the foundation of apostles and prophets as the Bible directs in Ephesians:
"19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;"
Apostles and prophets are absolutely essential because they hold the keys to the priesthood. If the apostles all die, the authority is lost along with revelation; we no longer know the mind and will of God and Christ is no longer the "chief cornerstone". False teachers and priests arise and we are "carried about with every wind of doctrine". Paul taught in Ephesians 4: "11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;"
Without apostles and prophets we cannot come to a "unity of the faith" nor be perfected in Christ. Without a prophet who speaks authoritatively the will of God, only confusion can reign as people argue what God meant and uninspired men tamper with the holy scriptures!
Christ taught in John 15: "16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you." Christ intended that he, himself, would be at the head of his church through revelation. That is why a man must be chosen of God through revelation to represent him and to preach his holy word – a thing that protestant churches totally lack because they apostatized from the Catholic church and which the catholic church cannot claim either because the first pope was a bishop, not an apostle, and to this day can claim no authority from living apostles.
A normal religious organization would not have any trouble with you moving to another similar organization as long as you stayed in that same religion. Because it is the belief system that matters, not membership in an organization. For example if you were a Christian then you could move from one church to another and still be a Christian.
However cult leaders will tell you can only be "saved" (or can only be successful) in their organization alone. No other organization has the truth, all others miss the mark. So it is not the belief system that decides your future, but it the belief system AND your membership with that particular group. Any group that says "it's the only TRUE CHURCH is a dead-ringer for a cult.
The problem is you prophets are not true Biblical prophets. That is from Leviticus 18:15-22, the prophet does not "But any prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, or who presumes to speak in my name a word that I have not commanded the prophet to speak–that prophet shall die." How many of your prophets of old are living today? How many of them spoke the truth about polygamy, about equality between men and women, about equality between the races of the world? You change the subject of my post in order to give your reasoning which proves you don't have a good answer to my post. I have always thought that Mormonism is the most frightening cult in America. Now you have a presidential candidate. Perhaps I am one of those true prophets that you talk about.
“ I could never be a Mormon foremost nothing in Mormon doctrine is scriptural or based on accurate knowledge.As a person of color I don't hate myself or have low self esteem. Any person of color who are Mormon has some level of self hate going on. Any religion teaches that you are the way you are because you are cursed is vile. Any religion that teaches that if you are a faithful follower your reward in the after life is to be transformed in to a Anglo Saxon, Causation Angel is just wrong. If you being a person of color and believe this rubbish and strive for this reward is plain sad.
CNN) T– More than 160 years after its founding as a pro-slavery church, the Southern Baptist Convention on Tuesday elected a black pastor for the first time to lead the denomination.
The election of the Rev. Fred Luter Jr. of New Orleans comes 17 years after Southern Baptist leaders apologized for the denomination's onetime support of white supremacist and segregationist policies.
It also cements years of effort by the church to overcome that divisive heritage.
The Mormon church is the only church where there is true equality. Mormon churches are not segregated. Everyone is treated the same.
Mocking, you are a liar. My family was baptized into the mormon church in 1990. We have lived in two different States since then and tried 4 different wards and have been treated with derision and total ignorance. DO NOT say something that you know NOTHING about from real experience. I've noticed all your comments on here are like a robots. All you do is slam anything someone says about the LDS church and then spew misinformation that comes from absolutely no experience on your own part. You are NOT doing the Mormon church a favor with your comments. Frankly, you're helping non-mormons.
Instead of voting for him, true Christians should be erecting anti-Romney billboards as well.
But, Mormon or not, Romney has absolutely no redeeming qualities at all. The man is not worthy of being elected Dog Catcher! He is an extremely immoral and deplorable man who has managed to get to where he is with nothing but hatred, lies, thievery, deceit, fraud, cowardice and evil. His business experience amounts to a legal form of exactly what the mafia does to parasitically cannibalize and pirate small businesses. His vulture capitalism pillaged countless worker's pensions and retirement funds and purposefully destroyed companies and jobs in order to enrich himself. His campaign is financed in the most part by the very corporations who destroyed our economy and then profitted from it. His popularity in the election is buoyed by racism and bigotry and outright hatred – the man blatantly feeds into the idea that Obama ( a Christian!) is a muslim, and a foreigner. The man chose to speak against the Vietnamm war and took a deferment in France – and now eagerly speaks for the Bush neo-cons (Rice and Cheney) who are "advising" him and calls for a massive military buildup and an aggression against Iran! Romney hypocritically speaks out against abortion and yet through his "investments" is actually making money from abortion!This man, if elected, will be The Worst President Ever! And he just might be our last.
God help us all if Mitt Romney is elected!
That is just your very unobjective opinion and means nothing.
And everything you say Mockingjay is just YOUR opinion and means ABSOLUTELY nothing. Get a life.
Since when is stating a fact considered an "attack?" I guess that if I called Romeny a Mormon, that would be an attack as well?
Ridiculing our sacred beliefs and showing anti-mormon videos and propaganda to people who don't know any better and don't know what the truth is is not an attack?
Do you dispute the accuracy of the content of these videos?
Yeah, the mormons think they are Gods chosen people because they have a persecution complex. They're taught that from childhood, so it's almost like a personality disorder. They jump down anyones throat if their beliefs are questioned at all and then they say they are NOT attacking people, just defending their beliefs.
If you believe in something DEEPLY enough, you don't have to defend it. It's only when you question it that you FEEL the need to defend your doubts. By the way, did Jesus tell you mormons to defend your religion at any cost?
Mormons don't have any "sacred" beliefs to be ridiculed. Because the Mormon "religion" isn't a religion. It is a blatantly obvious fabrication and a scam that has turned into a giant blasphemy and a monstrous cult. And, because it is leading many away from Christ and into eternal damnation it would be criminal for any true Christian to Not ridicule all things "Mormon".
I urge you to investigate your beliefs. Witgh just a little effort, it shouldn't be too difficult for you to realize that you've been deceived.
God Bless America, and may God bless the only Christian candidate running for President this year, Barack Obama.
"you feel so compelled to keep attacking the church? You are so unhappy and miserable! "
Or that they are happy they left.. BTW, the religion / cult was based on bad archeology and fraud.. Basically the book of Mormon is a plagiarism of Christianity and the Egyptians.. Worse yet, it bases itself on a fraudulent claim of a promo Egyptian language magically existing in the Americas to which is utter nonsense. No such language exists, and the only actually known languages recognized in regards to ancient civilizations were those of the Incas and Mayans. The Mormon church is as about as relevant as Scientology.. Basically it's made up BS riding on the back of other religions to form a new religion / cult to profit from.. Funny seeing that Mormons consider a fraud a Prophet..
Wm, I would point to the universal belief among the Americas of a white, bearded God. It's funny seeing all these comments from people that think they have a "gotcha now". The witnesses, while a very strong testimony of the truthfulness of the gospel contained in the Book of Mormon and its origins, they are not the only evidences. There are many. The presence of chiasmus within its text, the wordprint studies verifying the difference in writing styles of the different books within the BoM, the use of cement which the critics said didn't exist actually did happen, Hebrew style writing, and Hebrew law within its pages are just a very few of those evidences. Those things could not have been researched in rural New York or even in NYC at the time Joseph translated the plates. It doesn't hit us all the same way. I've known missionaries that have poor testimonies and poor unschooled individuals that know more about God's plan than many supposed scholars. Those testimonies are valid.
Wow Mockingjayless, you are the biggest blowhard I've ever heard in my life. I'm LDS and I'm ashamed that you are too...or are you intentionally sabotaging the Church? You're ignorant, rude and you have nothing intelligent or helpful to say. What is your point? All you do is log in every night, go down the list and insult anyone that disagrees with you. If I weren't LDS already I'd really be put off from investigating by your actions.
Wow ut2, you really are forcing your beliefs down people's throats. You just don't get it. You're making it worse by constantly attacking people that don't like your religion. If you don't like what people have to say about your church then don't read these posts. Thankfully mormonism is not the State religion for this country, so we still have the freedom to say no to you and your leaders.
I don't get you exmormons at all! Why don't you just leave the church alone and go on with your life? Why do you feel so compelled to keep attacking the church? You are so unhappy and miserable! You could not keep the commandments and live up to the high standards of the church, so instead of taking personal responsibility for your sin and weakness, you blame the judge! Did the judge commit your crime or was the judge responsible for your weak character? Bring forth fruits of repentance and humility and the judge is merciful and kind and willing to forgive!
I don't get you mormons at all! IF it bothers you SO much that people don't like your religion then, for petes sake, DON'T READ THESE COMMENTS ANYMORE! You are unbelievable mockjay, you need to find a shrink. LEAVE NON-BELIEVERS ALONE!!!!!! Our freedom of speech allows us to say anything we like about your religion. Just get lost!
I would like you to explain why you feel compelled to attack the church? The church never attacked you! Why, then, can't you just leave the church alone?
Mockingretard, the church did indeed attack me! I asked too many questions on my mission and they didn't like that. You know NOTHING about me, so don't you DARE tell me what your church has or hasn't done to me. You're walking a fine line of actually being a stalker on here. That and you level of harassment is enough. I am going to formally report you to CNN. You do nothing but attack (NOT DEFEND) everyone on here and you have become down-right slanderous. Enough is enough you freak.
Easy, pastmorm. You can dish it out, but you can't take it? You get upset when someone picks up some of the mud you've thrown at them and throws it back? You seem quite immature. How old are you?
ut2va, you are such a hypocrite. You tell me that you don't have to go public (as I and many other ex-mormons have) but what do you think you're doing by attacking EVERY SINGLE post from EVERY SINGLE person that doesn't agree with you or your church? You're going public and you're on here ALL the time. I think perhaps you need to let go and go to your church and be happy and let people express their dissatisfaction with your beliefs. We have just as much of a right to do so as you do to express yours...but you want us to stop. Isn't that a bit communistic? Are you afraid that perhaps you doubt your beliefs so much that you need to stop other people from making you question them?
Wow Jean, I've obviously upset you. First I haven't "attacked" anybody. And never said you shouldn't go public. Just find it interesting. What I meant by public is your Ex-Mormon video. Fully support your right to do it, just find it interesting. Btw, I've never been happier in my beliefs.
Also, how am I attacking? Since when is disagreeing considered attacking? I'm merely defending what is a huge attack coming from this article as well as 99% of the posts on here. I feel it necessary to defend, not attack.
I actually think you're constantly attacking people as well...you just don't get it do you? You DEMAND that people respect you and your belief and yet you REFUSE to respect people that do not believe as you do and then you tell them how wrong they are. Wow, you are clueless.
Do you know that Utah has not had a Democratic Senator for 36 years? Only total control by the Mormon Church could create such a State-wide decision. That's scary. Propaganda is one of the main signs of a cult. Romney belongs to that cult and even Majority Leader Harry Reed has said that Romney DOES NOT represent the Mormon church and it's values. That's saying something...Romney is just evil, you can see it in his smirk, his eyes and the way he walks and flip-flops.
pastmorm, did you also know that Salt Lake City hasn't had a Republican Mayor in 38 years? So much for total control.
Since UT2VA seems to be the lone-bird on here that's trying to get people to ignore ex-mormons, while instead going to a ONE sided mormon site (as though their high paid commercials aren't enough already) I though I'd put my view on here. If you think there are a small amount of ex-mormons, think again. Look up I am an Ex mormon dot com. We don't leave because we're bitter (mormons LOVE to accuse us of that) or sinners (that too) we leave because we realize that we don't want to belong to a cult anymore.
Hi Jean, I didn't tell folks to ignore ex-mormons, simply to give equal time to the stories of people who have found and love the Gospel on mormon.org. I'm sorry for the pain and struggle you have faced.
I grew up in the Church, gained a testimony, went on a mission... did all the "right things". I then came back from my mission and after a couple of years left the Church for about 10 years. I came to realize though that the testimony of the Gospel lay buried deep inside me and after a great deal of soul searching, prayer and correcting the course I was on, I found that my heart and spirit came to once again recognize the truth that I had left behind for so many years. My decisions were based upon amazing personal revelations through the Holy Ghost that allowed me to recognize the error of my ways.
I too have had family members leave the Church but I didn't allow their decisions to affect the testimony of the truth I have gained through the Spirit of God. I think it's interesting that you and others have had to go public with this so as to "save" all us mormons form the error of our ways. It's true what Joseph Smith said, once you gain a knowlwdge of the truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, you leave neutral ground forever.
ut2va, you are such a hypocrite. You tell me that you don't have to go public (as I and many other ex-mormons have) but what do you think you're doing by attacking EVERY SINGLE post from EVERY SINGLE person that doesn't agree with you or your church? You're going public and you're on here ALL the time. I think perhaps you need to let go and go to your church and be happy and let people express their dissatisfaction with your beliefs. We have just as much of a right to do so as you do to express yours...but you want us to stop. Isn't that a bit communistic? Are you afraid that perhaps you doubt your beliefs so much that you need to stop other people from making you question them? Oh, and whatever your old Joe said is nothing to the criminal acts he committed, so I really don't care about your feeble threat of "it is better to have not known then to have known and rejected..."
Wait a minute Ut2va, you said in a prior post that you were a convert to the mormon church and now you're saying you grew up in the mormon church....WOW you ARE just like Romney...a FLIP-FLOPPER! It is taught in your church, just like everyone says. You people lie a lot!!!! How sad.
JennyPorter, a convert is one who didn't believe and now does. I was raised in the Church but struggled with unbelief for years.
Ah....I might have known we were all dealing with someone of a lower intellect. The word in your last post would be "disbelief" NOT "unbelief." And no, a convert is someone that is baptized into a new religion. Look it up. If you started to believe in the faith you were born into, then you just started to believe. Don't mince words, you were caught saying two different things. Man up to it.
Both my usages are correct.
"My decisions were based upon amazing personal revelations through the Holy Ghost ..."
More like ecstasy and euphoria caused by your imagination.
You do know, don't you, what Joseph Smith told Oliver Cowdery when Oliver asked why he could not see any 'revelations' in the bottom of Smith's hat?
@jeanifriend: congrats on leaving the church. Please tell me you did not land in some other fictional religion. If you did, your journey is not yet complete. However if you did finally realize religions were all a part of the same big fraud, each its own little lie, then welcome to atheism.
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