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October 25th, 2012
06:00 AM ET

When ‘God’s will,’ rape and pregnancy collide

By Wayne Drash, CNN

(CNN) - The pregnant 12-year-old girl was strung out on heroin and looked like a walking skeleton when she arrived at the hospital. The conversation that followed, said Phoenix police chaplain John South, has stuck with him ever since.

“Do you know who the father is?” South recalled asking her.

“She said, ‘Yes, it’s my biological father. He’s the one who hooked me on heroin so he could continue to rape me whenever he wanted to.’ ”

The Protestant chaplain has consoled about 50 pregnant rape victims - typically girls raped by their fathers - in his years working with the Phoenix Police Department.

South describes himself as “pro-life,” but when it comes to dealing with a girl or woman impregnated by a rapist, he keeps his personal views to himself.

“I don’t give them a lecture or preach at them,” South said. “I’ve seen crimes beyond comprehension.”

Republican U.S. Senate candidate Richard Mourdock stirred controversy during a debate in Indiana Tuesday when he said pregnancies from rape are “something that God intended to happen.” The instant reaction in political circles was predictable: Democrats decried him, and many conservative Republicans defended his position as steadfastly “pro-life.”

But theologians were quick with a more nuanced approach, saying the issue of pregnancies from rape strikes at the core of a timeless question: How do you explain evil in a world where God is loving?

That said, many expressed outright dismay by Mourdock’s remarks.

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South wanted to know what Bible Mourdock reads because “what he’s saying is absolutely wrong. It’s not biblical.”

The police chaplain said pregnancies from rape aren’t meant to be politicized and said the victims suffer from physical and mental wounds and are often suicidal. About 60% of the time, South surmised from his experience, the women or girls choose to give the baby up for adoption, as long as they never see the child at birth.

“I hurt for these kids,” he said. “Rape is evil.”

Rabbi Harold Kushner, author of the best-selling book “When Bad Things Happen to Good People,” said Mourdock’s remarks were off-base: “He’s invoking the will of God where it is not appropriate."

People “should have compassion for the person whose life is messed up by this and not make her an instrument for our idiosyncratic, theological commitment,” Kushner said.

“If you believe she has no right to terminate that pregnancy, you're free to believe that,” Kushner said. “But for you to write your preferences into law and compel another person to mess her life up because of what you believe, I think you're going too far.”

“I continue to be bemused by the ultraconservative lawmakers who say they want smaller government and less government intrusion into people’s lives, except when it comes to who you can marry and how many children you should have.”

Plenty of liberal Christians bemoaned how Mourdock was being perceived by some as the face of American Christianity.

"Once again, expressions of Christian faith that honor the rights of women to choose their own health care options and what happens to their bodies are not seen or heard," wrote the Rev. Barbara Kershner Daniel, who pastors the Evangelical Reformed United Church of Christ of Frederick, Maryland, in a message that she circulated via email.

"The lack of another voice, another perspective, another vision from the Christian community leaves an impression that all Christians share this single perspective about pregnancy through rape," she wrote.

Father Tom Reese, a senior fellow at the Woodstock Theological Center at Georgetown University, said he found Mourdock’s comments troubling from a Catholic perspective because “God does not want rape to happen.”

“Someone getting pregnant through rape simply means biology continues to function,” Reese said. “That doesn’t mean God wills it.

“If we look at the Scriptures, we see a God who weeps with those going through pain, who is compassionate for those who suffer and condemns those who do injustice,” Reese said

During the Tuesday debate, Mourdock was explaining his opposition to abortion in cases of rape or incest when he made his remark. “I came to realize life is a gift from God, and I think even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that God intended to happen,” said Mourdock, the Indiana state treasurer.

Amid the uproar Wednesday, Mourdock sought to clarify his comments, saying he was sorry if he offended anyone but said his comments were twisted and distorted for political gain. “The God that I worship would never, ever want to see evil done,” he said.

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Paul Root Wolpe, the director for the Center of Ethics at Emory University, said Mourdock’s comments were the equivalent “of saying you shouldn't pull people out of the rubble because God intended the earthquake to happen or we shouldn't try to cure disease because it's God who gave us the disease,” Wolpe said.

"That perspective was theologically rejected by virtually every major religion a long, long time ago,” Wolpe added.

Mourdock has been an active member of Christian Fellowship Church in Evansville, Indiana, for nearly two decades, according to Mike Deeg, the executive pastor of the 2,000-plus member nondenominational evangelical church.

Mourdock has gone on missions trips with a group connected to the church to Bolivia and is well-regarded among congregants Deeg said.

Deeg says the church tries to remain largely out of politics. “We don’t think God is Republican or a Democrat,” he said by phone from Evansville, noting they encourage members to vote, the church just doesn’t say for whom.

The pastor said of what he has read about Mourdock’s remarks, they largely lined up with the church’s teachings on the sanctity of life and their belief that life begins at conception.

“I think rape is a horrible thing, and I think God would condemn rape as horrible,” Deeg said. “I think we’re made in the image of God regardless,” he added, “I don’t think the circumstances dictate whether God knows us and loves us, regardless of how our conception comes about.”

South, the chaplain in Phoenix, said the 12-year-old girl he met years ago opted for an abortion and her father was ultimately convicted of rape. He said he grappled often with “why she was subjected to such horrendous pain and torture, mentally, physically and emotionally.”

“Did it shake my faith? No,” South said. “Did I ask God why? Of course.”

CNN’s Eric Marrapodi contributed to this report

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Rape • Women

soundoff (4,449 Responses)
  1. Oscar

    My replay was to "ezreader".

    October 25, 2012 at 8:49 am |
  2. Oscar

    I agree, you may have something there. Unfortunately, there are politicians, mostly made up of men, trying to make law on what they feel is a womans role in this country. Though your idea may not be the solution, it sends a positive message leading some to act on their own. We most certainly need more politicians with thoughts & ideas like yours that help keep this country 2gether.

    October 25, 2012 at 8:42 am |
  3. Tom, Tom, the Other One

    It is God's will that young girls should sometimes be impregnated by their fathers. It may also be God's will that we should be ruled by a man who believes he is a White Horse and hopes some day to be a god.

    October 25, 2012 at 8:20 am |
    • Huff

      Mourdocks point was that the child shouldn't be blamed and rejected based on how they were conceived.

      October 25, 2012 at 11:09 am |
    • Jaimie

      He claims life begins at conception.

      Life is an ongoing process. When does a human life truly begin. For educated people, here are some criteria they use:

      Signs of life Ie heart beat
      Brain activity
      Signs of intelligence

      Well, at least you republicans pass 2 of the 3 criteria

      October 25, 2012 at 6:28 pm |
  4. Tom, Tom, the Other One

    It is God's will that God's will should not always prevail.

    October 25, 2012 at 7:49 am |
    • nope

      @t...
      nope

      October 25, 2012 at 7:52 am |
    • WASP

      @nope: (clapping hands) YAY DANCE AGAIN NOPE MONKEY, DANCE AGAIN.
      i love watching my NOPE monkey dance for me, he's so funny. XD

      October 25, 2012 at 7:57 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      I wonder if the anti-Canadian personalities will come out to play this morning.

      October 25, 2012 at 8:12 am |
    • snopes says

      nope is false

      October 25, 2012 at 8:38 am |
    • as always

      snopes is wrong

      October 25, 2012 at 9:08 am |
    • doc vestipuke

      @doc v
      It isn't anti Canadian it is anti you.

      October 25, 2012 at 9:20 am |
    • Dana

      Nice way to spin it so you can keep your stone-age beliefs.

      October 25, 2012 at 9:26 am |
    • Jaimie

      What's up Doc

      As a Canadian, I find this election depressing and funny at the same time. Isn't that weird.

      October 25, 2012 at 6:29 pm |
  5. Reality

    Murdock, the "not too intelligent" politician, should have said, "the morning after pill and ra-pe kits basically vitiate any pregnancy results of ra-pe with said ra-pist getting 20 to life if convicted. " In the case cited in the topic, the "father" should have been given the death penalty.

    And for Murdock and like "thinkers", a prayer:

    The Apostles' Creed 2012: (updated by yours truly and based on the studies of historians and theologians of the past 200 years)

    Should I believe in a god whose existence cannot be proven
    and said god if he/she/it exists resides in an unproven,
    human-created, spirit state of bliss called heaven??

    I believe there was a 1st century CE, Jewish, simple,
    preacher-man who was conceived by a Jewish carpenter
    named Joseph living in Nazareth and born of a young Jewish
    girl named Mary. (Some say he was a mamzer.)

    Jesus was summarily crucified for being a temple rabble-rouser by
    the Roman troops in Jerusalem serving under Pontius Pilate,

    He was buried in an unmarked grave and still lies
    a-mouldering in the ground somewhere outside of
    Jerusalem.

    Said Jesus' story was embellished and "mythicized" by
    many semi-fiction writers. A descent into Hell, a bodily resurrection
    and ascension stories were promulgated to compete with the
    Caesar myths. Said stories were so popular that they
    grew into a religion known today as Catholicism/Christianity
    and featuring dark-age, daily wine to blood and bread to body rituals
    called the eucharistic sacrifice of the non-atoning Jesus.

    Amen
    (references used are available upon request)

    October 25, 2012 at 7:45 am |
    • ....

      BULL SH IT ALERT

      October 25, 2012 at 7:47 am |
    • ....

      AND YOU KNOW IT'S BULL SH I , OH DARN, MOM'S DROPPED HER PIPE AGAIN, I'LL BE BACK IN A FEW...

      October 25, 2012 at 8:40 am |
    • terry

      I like the way you think...critically.

      October 25, 2012 at 10:44 am |
    • Jaimie

      Woah

      Jesus went to Hell ? I musta fell asleep in sunday school again.

      October 25, 2012 at 6:31 pm |
    • Ben Money

      100% dead on. Thank you for giving these people the real story. I always found that funny about people wearing crosses... they don't even know what the history is and what they mean.... Take them from the Roman times when they were used and they were the ultimate humiliation given to those who threatened Romes. That Jew carpenter got exactly what he deserved. Amen.

      October 26, 2012 at 1:46 am |
  6. JohnnyDiego

    The Pastor of the Christian Fellowship Church in Evansville, Indiana summed up the pro/anti-choice argument when he said, "I think..."
    Choice is the operative word and when the church leader says "I think" he is stating an opinion (a synonym for choice) which should never be foisted upon those of differing views.

    October 25, 2012 at 7:41 am |
    • Katie Newkirk

      Eloquent. Thank you.

      October 25, 2012 at 7:50 am |
    • ab initio

      Nor should an atheist's views. It works both ways. As the founders intended.

      October 25, 2012 at 9:36 am |
    • Gary

      BOOM! There it is. Well said JohnnyD.
      All people have choice on hand don't steal mine because you lost yours.
      God/No God It's her body and if it was violated in this way then she has full right to get an abortion or keep it. "CHOICE" without it we all lose.

      October 25, 2012 at 10:45 am |
  7. Rebirthcarver

    Oh Dear. If the words and sentiments quoted from the mouths of our elected representatives mean they are merely forwarding the public view – God help us.

    October 25, 2012 at 7:37 am |
    • Boater39

      Sorry–I don't believe God is helping you....

      October 25, 2012 at 9:28 am |
  8. FrankO

    Ah, it's so nice to see the finish line, knowing the Liberals will soon be swept out of power.

    October 25, 2012 at 7:28 am |
    • roger willco

      And yet they were swept into power because of the republican policies that put us into a depression.

      So its logical that when you get mugged in the street, and the person you ask to help you doesn't help fast enough, that you go back to the mugger and ask *his* assistance.

      October 25, 2012 at 7:44 am |
    • Reality

      Some rational thinking for both liberals and conservatives:

      The reality of se-x, contraception and STD/HIV control: – from a guy who enjoys intelligent se-x-
      Note: Some words hyphenated to defeat an obvious word filter. ...

      The Brutal Effects of Stupidity:

      : The failures of the widely used birth "control" methods i.e. the Pill (8.7% actual failure rate) and male con-dom (17.4% actual failure rate) have led to the large rate of abortions and S-TDs in the USA. Men and women must either recognize their responsibilities by using the Pill or co-ndoms properly and/or use safer methods in order to reduce the epidemics of abortion and S-TDs.- Failure rate statistics provided by the Gut-tmacher Inst-itute. Unfortunately they do not give the statistics for doubling up i.e. using a combination of the Pill and a condom.

      Added information before making your next move:

      from the CDC-2006

      "Se-xually transmitted diseases (STDs) remain a major public health challenge in the United States. While substantial progress has been made in preventing, diagnosing, and treating certain S-TDs in recent years, CDC estimates that approximately 19 million new infections occur each year, almost half of them among young people ages 15 to 24.1 In addition to the physical and psy-ch-ological consequences of S-TDs, these diseases also exact a tremendous economic toll. Direct medical costs as-sociated with STDs in the United States are estimated at up to $14.7 billion annually in 2006 dollars."

      And from:

      Consumer Reports, January, 2012

      "Yes, or-al se-x is se-x, and it can boost cancer risk-

      Here's a crucial message for teens (and all se-xually active "post-teeners": Or-al se-x carries many of the same risks as va-ginal se-x, including human papilloma virus, or HPV. And HPV may now be overtaking tobacco as the leading cause of or-al cancers in America in people under age 50.

      "Adolescents don’t think or-al se-x is something to worry about," said Bonnie Halpern-Felsher professor of pediatrics at the University of California, San Francisco. "They view it as a way to have intimacy without having 's-ex.'" (It should be called the Bill Clinton Syndrome !!)

      Obviously, political leaders in both parties, Planned Parenthood, parents, the "stupid part of the USA" and the educational system have failed miserably on many fronts.

      The most effective forms of contraception, ranked by "Perfect use":

      - (Abstinence, 0% failure rate)
      - (Masturbation, mono or mutual, 0% failure rate)

      Followed by:

      One-month injectable and Implant (both at 0.05 percent)
      Vasectomy and IUD (Mirena) (both at 0.1 percent)
      The Pill, Three-month injectable, and the Patch (all at 0.3 percent)
      Tubal sterilization (at 0.5 percent)
      IUD (Copper-T) (0.6 percent)
      Periodic abstinence (Post-ovulation) (1.0 percent)
      Periodic abstinence (Symptothermal) and Male condom (both at 2.0 percent)
      Periodic abstinence (Ovulation method) (3.0 percent)

      Every other method ranks below these, including Withdrawal (4.0), Female condom (5.0), Diaphragm (6.0), Periodic abstinence (calendar) (9.0), the Sponge (9.0-20.0, depending on whether the woman using it has had a child in the past), Cervical cap (9.0-26.0, with the same caveat as the Sponge), and Spermicides (18.0).

      October 25, 2012 at 7:49 am |
    • Ronald Regonzo

      America is coming to her senses, you cannot fool all the people all the time. Romney will restore moral dignity to America and put an end to progressive foolishness. Romney / Ryan 2012

      October 25, 2012 at 7:51 am |
    • == o ==

      "FrankO" degenerates to:
      "Douglas" degenerates to:
      "pervert alert" degenerates to:
      "Taskmaster" degenerates to:
      "Ronald Regonzo" degenerates to:
      "truth be told" degenerates to:
      "Atheism is not healthy ..." degenerates to:
      "tina" degenerates to:
      "captain america" degenerates to:
      "just sayin" degenerates to:
      "nope" degenerates to:
      "WOW" degenerates to:
      "!" degenerates to:
      and many other names, but of course I prefer to refer to this extreme homophobe as
      the disgruntled Evangelical Fortune Cookie Co. writer boot camp flunkie.

      October 25, 2012 at 8:44 am |
    • Boater39

      "Moral Dignity" and "Romney" in the same sentence???? You're a real comedian this morning!

      October 25, 2012 at 9:29 am |
    • Bulls hitter

      fool regonzo, America is not coming to her senses. liberty once granted cannot be taken away without force, these people do not care about your threats of sin and hell, they are busy living their lives

      October 25, 2012 at 10:11 am |
    • A Traveler

      So FrankO - are you going to bear your chest and beat yourself with chains on November 7th when you see that the rational voters of these United States totally rejected your B S?

      October 25, 2012 at 1:23 pm |
    • singularity

      @ roger willco You said.
      "And yet they were swept into power because of the republican policies that put us into a depression."

      Here this whole time I thought it was because he was black?

      October 25, 2012 at 11:25 pm |
  9. Truth Believer...

    Just want to answer the question proposed early on: "How can there be evil in a world where God is loving?"
    Simple: Isaiah 45:7 – I make the light, and I form the darkness. I make peace, and I create EVIL. I the Lord God do ALL these things.
    Unfortunately, the god people serve today is their own bellies...themselves. The God of the bible, Yeshua(Jesus), specifically told us we are to DENY self.
    Have we simply forgotten how God punished His own, the Israelites, throughout the Old Testament....or are we too ignorant and lazy to study it? Who are we to question what God does? We do not have the mind to counsel God...even we HE has ordained the treacherous events in our lives. GOD'S will....not ours.

    October 25, 2012 at 7:27 am |
    • WASP

      @tbt: if god made evil, then god made disease,violence, war.......well you get where i'm going with this.
      how can a LOVING god make PAIN for his own children? i have two children and try my best to protect them, but i guess christians are different.

      October 25, 2012 at 7:43 am |
    • Truth Believer...

      @wasp: yes He did. Remember how Israel kept going after all the pagan gods of Baal and grove worship? He PROMISED His children He would send famine, pestilence(disease), plague, and the beast(the world ruling system that carried them into captivity in 722bc and 586bc). We have to realize that the devil is a puppet on God's strings, doing what God ALLOWS/ORDAINED him to do, just as WE are. No such thing as "free will"...only "self will". I try to protect my son too, but if God takes him, or allows harm to come to him, then I must accept that. It may hurt, and bring me grief, but who am I to question a sovereign Almighty God?? For those that believe free will, go to the cancer ward at the local hospital and tell those folks to get up and leave and NOT be downtrodden with disease anymore....after all, they have free will, right???

      October 25, 2012 at 8:13 am |
    • nii

      WAASP
      You do protect them by setting up barriers. These barriers are supposed to inflict pain on the child if he is going wrong to prevent a catastrophe. However it is to be noted thaat you cannot stop a child who is determined to go through that pain barrier to the real evil. That is God. You can protect your children, punish them to teach them right but they can still grow up to become murderers or thiefs.

      October 25, 2012 at 8:14 am |
    • WASP

      @believer: "but if God takes him, or allows harm to come to him, then I must accept that."
      huh? what type of parent are you? you are just willing to accpet and "forgive" a figure of cultural imagination for taking your son? i become more afirmed in my belief in no gods the more i speek with thiests. thank you for that.
      "For those that believe free will, go to the cancer ward at the local hospital and tell those folks to get up and leave"
      again, huh? free will has nothing to do with terminally ill people, your god made illness and ordained them to be ill, then made their families religion so important that they have to sit and watch their loved one suffer in pain until death which takes forever because they are hooked up to human made machines to keep them alive.
      free will i will agree with you doesn't exsist in the consept of religion because god has already foresaw your whole life til death and created you religious and me atheist. lmfao great huh, he ordained me to burn in hell fire for all eternity and you to kiss his feet for all eternity. well i will be bringing marshmellows to my party, you may want to bring anti-fungal cream for his feet. XD

      October 25, 2012 at 8:43 am |
    • WASP

      @nii: "You can protect your children, punish them to teach them right but they can still grow up to become murderers or thiefs."
      you are exactly right, your god made your kids murderers and thieves seeing he created your children and dictated what kind of life they should lead, i say that's a pretty sick f____k, but you call him god. XD

      October 25, 2012 at 8:45 am |
    • nii

      WASP
      My God is a person like me and will not make anyone do right or do wrong. I am as responsible for my decisions as He is. Only that in the long run He will make even wrong things turn out positive. He works with or around my decisions never against it. I am free to do as I will just as He is and you are too.

      October 25, 2012 at 9:02 am |
    • WASP

      @nii: you see how YOUR god and TRUTH'S god differ? your god gives you "free will" truth understands there can't be free will with an all knowing god.
      " I am as responsible for my decisions as He is."
      god knew you before you were born, he knew when you would steal, lie have s/e/x, die. so if god made you to live until you are 80 poor then die neglected by your family then you can't change GOD'S WILL thus you have NO FREE WILL. glad we could clear that up.

      October 25, 2012 at 9:13 am |
    • Dana

      I love how people quote fictional books so they can keep their stone-age beliefs.

      October 25, 2012 at 9:29 am |
    • nii

      WASP
      Predestination allows for God to be all-knowing and yet grant free-will. Destiny is not biblical.. God like a computer programmer knows all possible outcomes. However the choice is still in the hands of the individual. Otherwise there will be no punishment.

      October 25, 2012 at 9:30 am |
    • PhD_History

      Umm but all of those plague of Israel were historically during the reigns of "pious" kings. That's why there are two histories in the bible that conflict with each other. It was rewritten years later to support the idea that pagan god worship is punished. Learn about your religion before spouting it.

      October 25, 2012 at 12:19 pm |
    • WASP

      @nii: it is impossible to have "free will" if you know what the furture holds.
      god knows everything and creates everyone how he likes. god could have made adam or eve both smart enough to not be fooled by lilith but he didn't because he knew they would eat of the fruit.

      so here is the logic problem; being that he knows everything there isn't anything you can do or change that your god hasn't ordained already, that is known as destiny. if you are destined by god to die in an automobile accident in two years there is nothing you can do about it, thus you have no free will seeing god knows all. you can't change the fact that god ordained you to die in a car wreck, or any other way he chooses.
      destiny is a set path in a life.
      free will is chaos, it's random chance.
      god's will is final, yours is not; thus you have no free will you are merely a marrionett here for your god's pleasure until he decides to cut your strings.
      i know this may be hard for you to accept, and i'm certain your mind will commit another logic loop to compensate for your fear of..........well being called a puppet, but like it or not if you believe god is al powerful all knowing then you have no choice in what he does, just as my son doesn't have a choice as to whether he goes to the dentist or not if i so choose.

      October 25, 2012 at 1:51 pm |
  10. FrankO

    Liberals LOVE to make abortion the lead issue when they are desperate......and they are LOL. Don't be as stupid as they BELIEVE you are.

    October 25, 2012 at 7:27 am |
    • midwest rail

      Nonsense. Republicans have done absolutely nothing to overturn Roe v Wade and they won't. They love having the issue alive so they can rail about it every election season to whip up the base.

      October 25, 2012 at 7:34 am |
    • Ronald Regonzo

      When President Romney legislates morality and dignity back into America, abortion will not be needed. This is the beginning of something great, a restoration of America to righteousness is only 12 days away. Romney / Ryan 2012

      October 25, 2012 at 7:40 am |
    • roger willco

      Interesting. So the Conservatives who ONLY care about greed, choose to frame a social issue that provides them with no profit and yet republicans are all over the issue – and you say its the liberals who are desparate?

      Yeah, that makes much more sense than republicans trying to stir the bible belt into giving the billionaires control of the treasury.

      October 25, 2012 at 7:49 am |
    • == o ==

      "FrankO" degenerates to:
      "Douglas" degenerates to:
      "pervert alert" degenerates to:
      "Taskmaster" degenerates to:
      "Ronald Regonzo" degenerates to:
      "truth be told" degenerates to:
      "Atheism is not healthy ..." degenerates to:
      "tina" degenerates to:
      "captain america" degenerates to:
      "just sayin" degenerates to:
      "nope" degenerates to:
      "WOW" degenerates to:
      "!" degenerates to:
      and many other names, but of course I prefer to refer to this extreme homophobe as
      the disgruntled Evangelical Fortune Cookie Co. writer boot camp flunkie.

      October 25, 2012 at 8:49 am |
    • Ronald Regonzo

      @roger wilco
      You say greed as if it were a bad thing. If the American under classes do not tow the line then it is the responsibility of decent Republican leadership to get that job done and if the Chinese peasants want the work and we can profit a few billion, why not, it is a global economy. Romney / Ryan 2012

      October 25, 2012 at 9:18 am |
    • midwest rail

      One-note trolling for months, and still delusional enough to believe anyone buys it.

      October 25, 2012 at 9:21 am |
  11. SF

    Let me guess, he's on the science committee in Congress.

    The stupidity and ignorance of someone like this is stupefying. If I encountered someone like him in a Wal-mart in rural America I would understand. But this man has been elected to a rule-making body for our society. It's incredible. There is no such thing as god. I know people want to hold onto this notion, but there is just no such thing. To take that notion of a god and apply it to a criminal act–to be the very driving force of that act–is just incomprehensible.

    Santorum, Mourdock, Akin, they are all cut from the same cloth. While their views may be extreme to society at large, they espouse the dicta that underpin the Republican party. It's time to end the Republican ideological sham, which is more in line with the Taliban than it is with true democratic American ideals. We need a sound second party that embraces scientific principles, not this pathetic joke that the Republican party is.

    October 25, 2012 at 7:24 am |
  12. algeriatouchshriek

    Is God in show business too?

    October 25, 2012 at 7:18 am |
  13. Milton

    Psalm 139:13- For you formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother's womb.

    Jeremiah 1:5- Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you;

    October 25, 2012 at 7:18 am |
    • roger willco

      "Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." And yet ALL Republicans ignore this.

      October 25, 2012 at 7:29 am |
    • Ronald Regonzo

      The only sewing we Republicans are interested in is sewing up this election for President Mitt Romney. (we also might consider the seamstress' we own in China) Romney / Ryan 2012

      October 25, 2012 at 7:36 am |
    • roger willco

      That will indeed need a miracle from God.

      October 25, 2012 at 7:40 am |
    • Ronald Regonzo

      Would you like tea with that miracle? Romney / Ryan 2012

      October 25, 2012 at 7:42 am |
    • == o ==

      "Salvatore" degenerates to:
      "Douglas" degenerates to:
      "pervert alert" degenerates to:
      "Taskmaster" degenerates to:
      "Ronald Regonzo" degenerates to:
      "truth be told" degenerates to:
      "Atheism is not healthy ..." degenerates to:
      "tina" degenerates to:
      "captain america" degenerates to:
      "just sayin" degenerates to:
      "nope" degenerates to:
      "WOW" degenerates to:
      "!" degenerates to:
      and many other names, but of course I prefer to refer to this extreme homophobe as
      the disgruntled Evangelical Fortune Cookie Co. writer boot camp flunkie.

      October 25, 2012 at 8:50 am |
    • Dana

      It's always funny when someone quotes a fictional book as if that proves something.

      October 25, 2012 at 9:30 am |
  14. midwest rail

    The right wing fundiots have devolved to the point where there is simply no chance for rational discourse. If you disagree with Mourdock's remarks, then you are guilty of "persecution". The disconnect from reality is astonishing.

    October 25, 2012 at 7:13 am |
    • Andybinga

      Yes and all left wingers are like the Democratic precinct captain called John Wayne Gacy.

      October 25, 2012 at 7:19 am |
    • midwest rail

      A scintillating response, andy

      October 25, 2012 at 7:26 am |
    • sam43231

      One guy with an extreme viewpoint does not represent the entire Republican part

      October 25, 2012 at 7:27 am |
    • Ronald Regonzo

      That will not be an extreme viewpoint in a Romney America, that will be the low norm. Romney / Ryan 2012

      October 25, 2012 at 7:44 am |
    • == o ==

      Let's see – "Ronald Regonzo" wants to talk to the subject of abortion.
      This is the person (as "pervert alert") who says:

      "Salvatore" degenerates to:
      "Douglas" degenerates to:
      "pervert alert" degenerates to:
      "Taskmaster" degenerates to:
      "Ronald Regonzo" degenerates to:
      "truth be told" degenerates to:
      "Atheism is not healthy ..." degenerates to:
      "tina" degenerates to:
      "captain america" degenerates to:
      "just sayin" degenerates to:
      "nope" degenerates to:
      "WOW" degenerates to:
      "!" degenerates to:
      and many other names, but of course I prefer to refer to this extreme homophobe as
      the disgruntled Evangelical Fortune Cookie Co. writer boot camp flunkie.

      October 25, 2012 at 8:58 am |
    • == o ==

      Let's see – "Ronald Regonzo" wants to talk to the subject of abortion.
      This is the person (as "pervert alert") who says:

      QUE ERS ARE THE ONES WHO GAVE AIDS TO AMERICA

      Show we trust his opinion on abortion? (LOL!)

      "pervert alert" degenerates to:
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      "captain america" degenerates to:
      "just sayin" degenerates to:
      "nope" degenerates to:
      "WOW" degenerates to:
      "!" degenerates to:
      and many other names, but of course I prefer to refer to this extreme homophobe as
      the disgruntled Evangelical Fortune Cookie Co. writer boot camp flunkie.

      October 25, 2012 at 9:01 am |
    • == o ==

      (should, not show in last post)

      October 25, 2012 at 9:02 am |
    • pervert alert

      Screwing up the o is the least of your mistakes. Note the actual quote, which your type likes to try in vain to deny ..."qu eers the people who gave AIDS to the WORLD."

      October 25, 2012 at 9:11 am |
    • midwest rail

      It's always a good day when we get to be entertained by the inane and delusional ramblings of the pervert.

      October 25, 2012 at 9:16 am |
    • pervert alert

      Had all the qu eers been shipped to an island in the Pacific as soon as discovered the world would not be suffering from an epidemic today and we would all be better off. Qu eers the people who gave the world AIDS.

      October 25, 2012 at 9:24 am |
    • .

      Until recently, the origins of the HIV-2 virus had remained relatively unexplored. HIV-2 is thought to come from the SIV in Sooty Mangabeys rather than chimpanzees, but the crossover to humans is believed to have happened in a similar way (i.e. through the butchering and consumption of monkey meat). It is far rarer, significantly less infectious and progresses more slowly to AIDS than HIV-1. As a result, it infects far fewer people, and is mainly confined to a few countries in West Africa.

      In May 2003, a group of Belgian researchers published a report in Proceedings of the National Academy of Science. By analysing samples of the two different subtypes of HIV-2 (A and B) taken from infected individuals and SIV samples taken from sooty mangabeys, Dr Vandamme concluded that subtype A had passed into humans around 1940 and subtype B in 1945 (plus or minus 16 years or so). Her team of researchers also discovered that the virus had originated in Guinea-Bissau and that its spread was most likely precipitated by the independence war that took place in the country between 1963 and 1974 (Guinea-Bissau is a former Portuguese colony). Her theory was backed up by the fact that the first European cases of HIV-2 were discovered among Portuguese veterans of the war, many of whom had received blood transfusions or unsterile injections following injury, or had possibly had relationships with local women.

      Given the evidence we have already looked at, it seems highly likely that Africa was indeed the continent where the transfer of HIV to humans first occurred (monkeys from Asia and South America have never been found to have SIVs that could cause HIV in humans). In May 2006, the same group of researchers who first identified the Pan troglodytes troglodytes strain of SIVcpz, announced that they had narrowed down the location of this particular strain to wild chimpanzees found in the forests of Southern Cameroon . By analysing 599 samples of chimp droppings (P. T. troglodytes are a highly endangered and thus protected species that cannot be killed or captured for testing), the researchers were able to obtain 34 specimens that reacted to a standard HIV DNA test, 12 of which gave results that were virtually indistinguishable from the reactions created by human HIV. The researchers therefore concluded that the chimpanzees found in this area were highly likely the origin of both the pandemic Group M of HIV-1 and of the far rarer Group N. The exact origins of Group O however remain unknown.

      HIV Group N principally affects people living in South-central Cameroon, so it is not difficult to see how this outbreak started. Group M, the group that has caused the worldwide pandemic, was however first identified in Kinshasa, in the Democratic Repub lic of Con go. It is not entirely clear how it transferred from Cameroon to Kinshasa, but the most likely explanation is that an infected individual travelled south down the San gha river that runs through Southern Cam eroon to the River Con go and then on to Kin shasa, where the Group M epidemic probably began.

      Just as we do not know exactly who spread the virus from Cam eroon to Kin shasa, how the virus spread from Africa to America is also not entirely clear. However, recent evidence suggests that the virus may have arrived via the Cari bbean island of H aiti.

      October 25, 2012 at 9:41 am |
  15. kuubajean

    I am sure that if they searched deep in their hearts, the Grand Inquisitors probably felt they had talked to God and were justified in all their practices (auto-da-fe etc etc) and were just following God's master plan/will. Ah the mystery. The mystery we could even have such people in office, or people following them. I am sure Murdouk is a 'nice guy'–interesting that after insisting women keep such fetuses (potential people) that he will also refuse them health care, future medical care, psychological counselling etc etc.

    October 25, 2012 at 7:11 am |
  16. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things

    October 25, 2012 at 7:10 am |
    • roger willco

      Republicans can stroll into this theological-logic so easily because they reject science. Most think the world is 6000 years old. And most have twisted religion as much as the Taliban – thinking that Jesus wasn't a socialist and that they (republicans) are immune to the bible's "camel through the eye of a needle" greed warning.

      Republican voters ARE NOT republicans. Unless you make $millions/year, you are no more "part" of the GOP than you are "part" of the English Royal Family. So republican voters waste their vote giving it to billionaires who take it and use it to oppress the middle-class and make themselves richer.

      October 25, 2012 at 7:24 am |
    • Ronald Regonzo

      @roger wilco
      You say all that like it's a bad thing. Romney / Ryan 2012

      October 25, 2012 at 7:28 am |
    • humanistfamily

      Actually, studies have shown that reason grows, compassion flourishes, human liberty is protected and the healthier nations come from policies that are secular with less influence from religious doctrines, while the most religious nations and states are more violent, less educated, have higher teen pregnancy rates, higher infant deaths, higher school drop out rates, lowest incomes and less health care are the most religious.

      Atheism is simply the non-belief in God(s)ess(es) due to the distinct lack of evidence for their existence.

      If you want to know anything else about an atheist, you'd have to ask him or her.

      October 25, 2012 at 7:37 am |
    • truth be told

      Lets ask secular atheist Joe Stalin who is credited with torturing and murdering 60 million of his citizens. Atheists have tortured and murdered more people in the last 100 years than were killed in all previous centuries.

      October 25, 2012 at 7:46 am |
    • humanistfamily

      Neither atheism nor theism are ideologies.

      They are words used to define whether or not one believes that God(s)ess(es) exist. That's all.

      Atheists, just as theists, can have additional ideologies, moral or immoral, loving or cruel.

      Religions, however, are ideologies and they can easily be assessed by their internal doctrines and lore.

      Cruel and heartless tyrants exist in this world, but it isn't due to whether or not they believed in deities.

      It depended upon their additional ideology.

      October 25, 2012 at 7:55 am |
    • WASP

      @truth NEVER told: ok so where did you get the extra 40 MILLION PEOPLE that stalin supposedly killed?
      history channel:"By some estimates, he was responsible for the deaths of 20 million people during his brutal rule".
      LINK: http://www.history.com/topics/joseph-stalin

      i know you won't look at it because...................."YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!"
      lmfao always wanted a good situation to use that. XD

      October 25, 2012 at 8:09 am |
    • == o ==

      "Salvatore" degenerates to:
      "Douglas" degenerates to:
      "pervert alert" degenerates to:
      "Taskmaster" degenerates to:
      "Ronald Regonzo" degenerates to:
      "truth be told" degenerates to:
      "Atheism is not healthy ..." degenerates to:
      "tina" degenerates to:
      "captain america" degenerates to:
      "just sayin" degenerates to:
      "nope" degenerates to:
      "WOW" degenerates to:
      "!" degenerates to:
      and many other names, but of course I prefer to refer to this extreme homophobe as
      the disgruntled Evangelical Fortune Cookie Co. writer boot camp flunkie.

      October 25, 2012 at 8:51 am |
    • hal 9001

      I'm sorry, "Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things", but your assertions regarding atheism and prayer are unfounded. Using my Idiomatic Expression Equivalency module, the expression that best matches the degree to which your assertions may represent truths is: "TOTAL FAIL".

      I see that you repeat these unfounded statements with high frequency. Perhaps the following book can help you:

      I'm Told I Have Dementia: What You Can Do... Who You Can Turn to...
      by the Alzheimer's Disease Society

      October 25, 2012 at 8:52 am |
    • truth be told

      Actual studies have estimated that Joe Stalin atheist did in fact murder 25% of the soviet peoples. That is consistent with 60 million or more.

      October 25, 2012 at 9:27 am |
    • tacc2

      Actually, in every controlled scientific experiment on prayer done to date, it has been proven that it does not change anything. But, I'm sure god just planted those results to test your faith. Just like dinosaur fossils.

      October 25, 2012 at 9:30 am |
    • Dana

      Religion is not healthy for little altar boys.

      October 25, 2012 at 9:31 am |
    • WASP

      @never knows the truth: i think i will trust the history channel seeing these people have went to achieve higher education and researched the russian archieves to get a firm estimate on how many stalin lead to their death. now unless you have a better known REALIBLE site to post oppsing numbers, you're a liar and we are done here.
      thanks for the easy victory over you, but your god saw this one coming so he made you fail. lmfao

      October 25, 2012 at 9:41 am |
    • TrollAlert

      "Ronald Regonzo" who degenerates to:
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      "pervert alert"

      This troll is not a christian!

      October 25, 2012 at 9:42 am |
    • A Traveler

      Nothing fails like prayer. When you grow up a bit you'll come to understand this.

      October 25, 2012 at 2:08 pm |
  17. JGNY

    Lets see, No stories about the lies this administration told about the 9/11 attacks. Nope. Just this stuff to fire up the base for Obama and ignore real perils and the death of 4 of our international family. Google has not shown one story, if they do its buried somewhere just like this publication should be.

    October 25, 2012 at 7:10 am |
    • Andybinga

      The media is working non-stop to try to prop up Obama again but it is not working

      October 25, 2012 at 7:20 am |
    • trutheraz

      "Lets see, No stories about the lies this administration told about the 9/11 attacks"..I totally agree with ya JGNY. There were so many warnings about the 9/11 attacks, right down to who was behind them and how they were to be carried out. And many warnings from many intelligence sources. All ignored. And the result? Thousands of lives lost, and TWO wars. I am as outraged as you are, JGNY. And the main street media simply ignored the story and said it would be unAmerican to question President Bush and his administration. That is simply an outrage. You do agree, correct?

      October 25, 2012 at 7:24 am |
  18. Gene Gormley

    Preposterous! There is no god!
    These bloviating GOP panderers to the ancient-angry-god-industry want to return to the patriarchal society that burned witches. Show them the door.

    October 25, 2012 at 7:05 am |
    • nope

      @ge...
      nope

      October 25, 2012 at 7:11 am |
    • Yep

      @nope
      Yep

      October 25, 2012 at 7:13 am |
    • nope

      @yap...
      nope

      October 25, 2012 at 7:19 am |
    • WASP

      @nope: so simple, so easily stated, so completely void of any type of thought. did your mother drop you on purpose or "by accident" repeated times? seriously your grasp of the human language is just so marvelously phrased that i must know your secret; to seem so intelligent while saying so little.
      i mean it's the perfect reply to everything......................
      you want to bath............nope
      you want a job................nope
      you want to accept responcibilty for your life..............nope
      you want to grow and mature as a human being...........nope.

      see so simple it's flawless. that is my new favorite word.....................nope.

      October 25, 2012 at 7:26 am |
    • truth be told

      Nope is a giant in wisdom. Cutting through the crap and arriving directly at the most logical response to the statement, as with wasp for example. If wasp posts it, it is wrong, simply stated @ wasp = nope !

      October 25, 2012 at 7:32 am |
    • WASP

      @TBT: hey look i didn't only teach my NOPE monkey to dance, i also taught his BUTT KISSING APE friend to dance also. i should have a show like "the dog whisperer" except it would be "the dancing monkey whisperer" ROFLMFAO. XD

      October 25, 2012 at 7:39 am |
    • snopes says

      nope is false

      October 25, 2012 at 8:55 am |
    • snopes says

      truth be told is also false

      October 25, 2012 at 8:55 am |
    • and as always

      snopes is 100 % wrong

      October 25, 2012 at 9:28 am |
  19. ezreader

    Again, a bunch of men telling women who they are and what they want. This 12-year old girl, who had been repeatedly abused, exhibited more sense than all these legislators, and religious figures combined.
    After all these years, why do religious zealots continue to argue Roe v Wade. Get with the program and let EVERY woman make her own choice.
    Perhaps we should have a law that specifically targets men, such as every man who has fathered at least 3 children must undergo a vasectomy. And then let a panel of women vote on that legislation. There would be far less use of contraceptives if that were law.\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\

    Of course, all of this tongue in cheek projectory is just folly since lawmakers will most likely always try to tell women, "Who you are, and what you want!"

    Vote Democratic ladies and don't be fooled by what some "suit" is trying to force on you.

    October 25, 2012 at 7:02 am |
    • WASP

      @reader: you know i accually like that idea. it makes sense and would aid in population control. you just may be on to something, have to see if we can push this one to the ladies in charge.

      October 25, 2012 at 7:21 am |
    • trutheraz

      I can't believe every woman in this country isn't outraged. These guys are speaking for the mainstream Republicans. In politics they are called "attack dogs." The major canidates pretend they don't agree with them, but wink wink,nod nod. Kind of like in "Casablanca".....I am shocked — shocked— to find that gambling is going on in here!

      October 25, 2012 at 7:29 am |
    • Fish Jones

      That is probably the coolest way to say that I've ever seen.

      October 25, 2012 at 8:50 am |
  20. Beri

    Mitt endorses Murdock today, will not tomorrow. He may change his tune, again, . His trend: believe me Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. I lie on Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Saturdays. We call them camellias as they change with the environment.

    October 25, 2012 at 7:02 am |
    • Tom, Tom. the Other One

      Camellias are a beautiful and elegant flower. Why call them that? Call them what they are: liars.

      October 25, 2012 at 7:46 am |
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