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October 26th, 2012
05:54 AM ET

Belief Blog's Morning Speed Read for Friday, October 26

By Arielle Hawkins, CNN

Here's the Belief Blog’s morning rundown of the top faith-angle stories from around the United States and around the world. Click the headlines for the full stories.

From the Blog:

CNN: Man who leaked pope's papers heads to jail
If Paolo Gabriele ever does get the pope's pardon, it won't be before he serves some jail time. Gabriele, a former butler to Pope Benedict XVI, will start his 18-month sentence in a Vatican cell Thursday for taking secret papers from the pope's personal apartment and leaking them to an author who included them in a best-selling book, the Vatican said.

CNN: 5 things to know about the Muslim holiday of Eid al-Adha
Five things to know about Eid al-Adha: 1. Considered one of Islam's revered observances, the four-day religious holiday corresponds with the height of the Hajj - the pilgrimage to Mecca in Saudi Arabia that annually draws 2 million Muslims…

CNN: When ‘God’s will,’ rape and pregnancy collide
Republican U.S. Senate candidate Richard Mourdock stirred controversy during a debate in Indiana Tuesday when he said pregnancies from rape are “something that God intended to happen.” The instant reaction in political circles was predictable: Democrats decried him, and many conservative Republicans defended his position as steadfastly “pro-life.”

CNN: Suicide bomber targets worshipers outside Afghan mosque, kills 30
A suicide bomber blew himself up outside a mosque following morning prayers in Afghanistan's northern Faryab province, killing at least 30 people, according to a spokesman for the Ministry of Interior. More than 50 people were wounded in the blast that occurred as worshipers finished prayers to mark the start of the Muslim holiday of Eid al-Adha, spokesman Sediq Seddiqi said.

Tweet of the Day:

Enlightening Reads:

Reuters: Baha'i is most persecuted religion in Iran – U.N. investigator
Members of the Baha'i community in Iran are the most persecuted religious minority in the Islamic Republic, where suppression of alternative faiths is growing worse, U.N. special rapporteur for human rights in Iran Ahmed Shaheed said on Monday.

Washington Post: To close the gender gap, Mitt Romney should look to Mormon women
In which state do young couples get married, stay married, and have many more children than any other? That’s right. It’s Utah, the headquarters of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, a religion that puts a heavy emphasis on home and hearth, and on traditional families that endure forever. According to church authorities, men’s and women’s spheres are separate, as decreed by God.

Huffington Post: Mother Teresa Carving Installed At Washington National Cathedral
On Thursday, October 25, 2012, Washington National Cathedral held a special service of Choral Evensong to dedicate a carving of Mother Teresa that has been completed in the Cathedral’s Human Rights Porch. The carving appears alongside other stone carvings in this porch celebrating those who struggle to bring equality and social justice to all people including Archbishop Óscar Romero, former First Lady Eleanor Roosevelt, former Cathedral Dean and Bishop of Washington John T. Walker, and civil rights leader Rosa Parks.

Religion News Service: DNA experiment yields great promise and high ethical risks
Future generations could be stripped of mutations like hereditary blindness or maternal diabetes, after a breakthrough study at Oregon Health & Science University. But the new technique is also one short step from genetic design of future generations, said Marcy Darnovksy of the California-based Center for Genetics and Society. "These powerful new technologies have a whole bunch of wonderful and appropriate uses – and a number of ways they can be misused." The researchers, led by OHSU biologist Shoukhrat Mitalipov, modified unfertilized eggs for the first time, a technique that offers great promise as well as ethical pitfalls. Such research is banned in many countries.

Quote of the Day:

Pluralism has in its message that we have to be respectful of one another. And as somebody said to me recently, maybe if there was more unity in Israel about religious pluralism, it would be easier to solve some of the bigger political issues, even with the two-state solution. Because if you respect people around you, maybe you can better respect people who you don't feel the same familial connection to.

–In an interview with Religion News Service, Rabbi Miri Gold explains why the struggle for religious pluralism is important beyond Israel. In May of this year, after seven years of legal wrangling, the Detroit-raised rabbi, who immigrated to the Jewish state 35 years ago, won a case before the Israeli Supreme Court that will make her the first non-Orthodox rabbi to earn a state salary.

Opinion of the Day:

My Take: My Take: Muslims must engage politically, look outside themselves
Imam Khalid Latif, a chaplain for New York University and executive director of the school's Islamic Center, encourages fellow Muslims to actively participate in their communities and local politics to end anti-Muslim rhetoric.

Join the conversation…


Some readers thought we went too far by asking why some thought President Barack Obama was the "wrong kind of Christian."

CNN: Look at Obama’s faith draws criticism, praise
People have all sorts of questions for presidential candidates in an election year. But there was one question I asked last weekend that scores of readers griped about: Why do so many people doubt President Barack Obama’s faith? Obama has talked publicly about his faith for years, but doubts persist. Why? Was it race? Was he a different kind of Christian than his predecessors? How can anyone judge whether another person is a Christian?

@CNNBelief

- A. Hawkins

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soundoff (134 Responses)
  1. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things,

    October 27, 2012 at 5:09 pm |
    • hal 9001

      I'm sorry, "Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things", but your assertions regarding atheism and prayer are unfounded. Using my Idiomatic Expression Equivalency module, the expression that best matches the degree to which your assertions may represent truths is: "TOTAL FAIL".

      I see that you repeat these unfounded statements with high frequency. Perhaps the following book can help you:

      I'm Told I Have Dementia: What You Can Do... Who You Can Turn to...
      by the Alzheimer's Disease Society

      October 27, 2012 at 7:12 pm |
    • TrollAlert

      "Ronald Regonzo" who degenerates to:
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      "WOW" degenerates to:
      "fred" degenerates to:
      "!" degenerates to:
      "pervert alert"

      This troll is not a christian.

      October 29, 2012 at 10:19 am |
    • Jesus

      Prayer does not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.
      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.
      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs.

      October 29, 2012 at 10:33 am |
  2. Innerspace is God's place while outerspace is for the human race

    Machines of biology have run the gauntlets of the evolutionary. The times will never any more change. Only the scenes will be altered. Machines, nuthing but and ever will be machines.

    October 27, 2012 at 6:53 am |
  3. Jesus is coming very soon

    The End Times must be near. The world has been in a steady decline since Abba, which was clearly prophesized in Revelations: "When verily two warbling Scandanavian chickypoos hit the stage and belt out "Dancing Queen," the last days are upon you! Buy the a stockpile of ho-hos and ding-dings and head for the hills of Galilee.

    October 27, 2012 at 5:54 am |
  4. Bob

    Let's bring this to the top of the comment stack again, because PRISM 1234 has been dodging these questions:

    PRISM, do try to find some courage and answer a question directly for a change, instead of dodging and presenting insults and pathetic videos. Here we go again:

    Why should we believe what your sky fairy purportedly put in a musty old book for some ancient goatherders? Why can't your "god" get with the times and push some tweets out, or even get with the last decade and produce his own website?

    On those grounds alone, a deity should expect reasonable doubt, to say the least. Pretty pathetic "god" that you've made for yourself there, that can't even do basic stuff on the web that even kids can do.

    October 26, 2012 at 8:49 pm |
    • Woe to those that call good evil and evil good

      Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

      Hebrews 11:1

      October 27, 2012 at 4:35 am |
    • WIlliam Shatner is the messiah!

      Well, since nobody can actually answer that truthfully, I suggest listening to William Shatner singing "Mr. Tamborine Man."

      [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0hTtsqiFCc&w=640&h=390]

      It's even weirder that most scripture.

      October 27, 2012 at 6:05 am |
  5. Innerspace is God's place while outerspace is for the human race

    God is with you deeply inside,
    We all do carry Him and His pride.
    We are as their buildings that is so true,
    Cheer up and don't be so blue.
    Love lettuce, Love let us all,
    Greetings by God for whomever does call.

    Love lettuce for all,
    G.O.D.

    October 26, 2012 at 6:48 pm |
  6. mama k

    Christian fundamentalists in the U.S. today continue to attempt to circumvent the Establishment Clause of the 1st Amendment to the U.S. Constitution by calling for prayer in public school and other efforts to inject more and more of their religion into public service. They often claim that the U.S. was founded as a Christian nation. FALSE! And there is a good reason why the U.S. was not founded on Christianity:

    Before and during the founding of the U.S., different Christian sects were feuding and persecuting each other in several states (or soon-to-be states). Because this feuding between these sects annoyed the key founders so greatly, they made it a top priority to establish guidelines for the separation of church and state (and to make it Amendment #1 to our Constitution). This is also reflected in what they had to say on the matter:

    James Madison (our 4th President, was the chief architect of the U.S. Constitution):

    During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry, and persecution.

    (A Memorial and Remonstrance, addressed to the Virginia General Assembly, 1785)

    and then ten years later:

    Who does not see that the same authority which can establish Christianity, in exclusion of all other religions, may establish with the same ease any particular sect of Christians, in exclusion of all other sects?

    (A Memorial and Remonstrance, addressed to the General Assembly of the Commonwealth of VA, 1795)

    Thomas Jefferson (our 3rd President, was the key author of the Declaration of Independence)

    Because religious belief, or non-belief, is such an important part of every person's life, freedom of religion affects every individual. State churches that use government power to support themselves and force their views on persons of other faiths undermine all our civil rights. Moreover, state support of the church tends to make the clergy unresponsive to the people and leads to corruption within religion. Erecting the "wall of separation between church and state," therefore, is absolutely essential in a free society.

    (Letter (as POTUS) to the Virginia Baptists (1808))

    and then of course we have clarifying moments in history such as:

    President John Adams and the U.S. Senate on behalf of the U.S.

    As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion;

    (from Article 11 of the U.S. treaty ratified with Tripoli in 1797)

    Senator John F Kennedy said on Sept. 12, 1960, just prior to his winning the Presidential election:

    I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute.

    October 26, 2012 at 6:12 pm |
    • Innerspace is God's place while outerspace is for the human race

      mama j,

      I parrot very little and you should as well. One should not parrot away their life of Life ever living on someone elses' parroting word(s).

      Love let us
      G.O.D.

      October 26, 2012 at 6:32 pm |
    • Innerspace is God's place while outerspace is for the human race

      As far away from the Earth to her moon,
      So are innerspaced atoms samely strewn.
      Life here hurries to and fro,
      and sometimes high not always low.
      Love lettuce love let us please say you will,
      Please put it please put it upon my bill!

      Love lettuce,
      G.O.D.

      October 26, 2012 at 7:31 pm |
  7. Innerspace is God's place while outerspace is for the human race

    Faith grows in the heart.
    Reasoning from the very start.
    Faith yearning to love does learn.
    Buildings on fire will always do burn.
    Faiths might hate and even debate,
    Staying on course never is late.

    1Cr 3:9 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, [ye are] God's building.

    October 26, 2012 at 4:13 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      God's building is on fire. That's dark. I like that.

      October 26, 2012 at 4:20 pm |
    • Rob

      So is hell. Dark and on fire.

      October 26, 2012 at 4:30 pm |
    • Bob

      Inner empty space, I for one am not a laborer for your jerk of a sky fairy that you call "god".

      October 26, 2012 at 4:32 pm |
    • Cindy

      Bob, that doesn't make sense. If God's a jerk, that makes you and the rest of us the same, since, we are made in his image.

      October 26, 2012 at 5:35 pm |
    • Innerspace is God's place while outerspace is for the human race

      God-head Bob,

      The Father of all Creations does not live in the skies. God and all God's brethren do live sheltered within the insides of all that is 'celestialized' Life. As one of God's buildings, all we can do is eat and drink for our building's sake and hope the God of one's building/body finds substance from our imbibing to ensure our body-like building remains strong and sturdy.Upon one's deadening we are reborn back into the Kingdom of our body's Godly beings. What happens next is up to our body's God and Godly judges to so decide.

      1Cr 3:9 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, [ye are] God's building.

      Luk 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

      October 26, 2012 at 5:43 pm |
    • I wonder

      Cindy,

      "God" (all gods) were made in man's image, with man's traits, emotions and behaviors - that's why "he" is a often a jerk.

      October 26, 2012 at 6:18 pm |
    • Innerspace is God's place while outerspace is for the human race

      Bob,

      The sorrows of many folks are constant reminders as to this world's ills and forlornments and inequalities.

      October 26, 2012 at 6:38 pm |
    • Bob

      Fail on that one, Cindy. The appropriate conclusion is that god doesn't exist. Y'all come back now and try again, though.

      October 26, 2012 at 7:35 pm |
    • Woe to those that call good evil and evil good

      I wonder, God is perfect, man is not.

      October 27, 2012 at 4:41 am |
    • Woe to those that call good evil and evil good

      Bob, you only have that conclusion due to your own misery.

      October 27, 2012 at 4:42 am |
  8. Innerspace is God's place while outerspace is for the human race

    According to the KJVB, our bodies are but 'buildings' and God along with His Godly do all live within/inside them. If this be truth then, "Why all the stink about women aborting their body's up & coming building/child?" The rights to choose if a woman aborts should be left up to the woman wanting to abort their Godly built building of a body. Though I believe in there being a God somewhere among the atomic cosmos, I will not truly know Him until I die and am reborn back into the cosmos of the atomic.

    1Cr 3:9 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, [ye are] God's building.

    October 26, 2012 at 4:01 pm |
    • Bob

      Inner empty space, since you insist on dumping stinking bible bile on us, let's have a closer look at what's really in your Christian book of nasty:

      Numbers 31:17-18
      17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
      18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

      Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”

      Revelations 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

      Note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.

      Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.

      And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.

      So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.

      Please, stop referencing that Christian book of nasty, AKA the bible, as a guide to, well, anything.

      Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement. Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
      http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

      October 26, 2012 at 4:34 pm |
    • The Other Bob, but, you can call me Robert

      Bob,

      1 Colossians 1:16

      For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

      October 26, 2012 at 5:28 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      So AIDS was created by god for his own glory. How fun.

      October 26, 2012 at 5:31 pm |
    • Cindy

      AIDS was created by man.

      October 26, 2012 at 5:36 pm |
    • Huebert

      Cindy

      That is untrue.

      October 26, 2012 at 5:38 pm |
    • Michael

      The AIDS virus was created in a lab for the purpose of war.

      October 26, 2012 at 5:50 pm |
    • Innerspace is God's place while outerspace is for the human race

      Bob,

      2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

      Stories and myths or truths are parodies and ought be judged and then rightly divided. Even latex has its' holes and cannot be entrusted as being safe. I know without doubt that I am to die and yet I made my peace regarding death as being but an open doorway leading back into the Kingdom of God which is our body, the buildings built and maintained by God's righteous. I fear not my deadening for I have little faith in this world's reigning godheads. They all know not the wholeness Truth about their bodies being but buildings for God and the Godly of God. If the ungodly taunters knew without doubts regarding celestial life and terrestrial life, they would not scoff as much their cunningless shamefulness of doubts and denials.

      Love lettuce
      G.O.D.

      October 26, 2012 at 6:05 pm |
    • Huebert

      @Michael

      That is a fabrication.

      October 26, 2012 at 6:06 pm |
    • Cindy

      The only fabrication is by the government to hide this fiasco that got away from them. I suppose you believe the gulf war illnesses were created by God too. It's called war fare.

      October 26, 2012 at 6:11 pm |
    • Huebert

      Cindy

      No I believe that the AIDS virus is a product of evolution. A form of the AIDS virus has existed for hundreds, maybe thousands, of years in cats. At some point it was able to jump to primates.

      October 26, 2012 at 6:45 pm |
    • Bob

      Hey, Cin, ever take a biology course? And did you pass it?

      October 26, 2012 at 7:36 pm |
    • Woe to those that call good evil and evil good

      Bob, you're the one dumping bile on this blog. Stop explaining your stupidity and we'll be better off.

      October 27, 2012 at 4:43 am |
  9. myweightinwords

    What if, just for one day, you chose to speak only in kindness? What if, just for one 24 hour period, you chose to be polite, be nice, be caring? What if, just for that day, you chose not to respond in anger, not to rise to the bait, not to stoop to insulting words?

    What if, just for that one little day you were to treat those you encounter as though they were just another person trying to do the best they can with what they've been given.

    What would change?

    October 26, 2012 at 3:12 pm |
    • Mittology

      Won't happen.

      October 26, 2012 at 3:17 pm |
      • myweightinwords

        It did for me.

        I made that choice 20 something years ago, and what transpired that day changed who I was.

        October 26, 2012 at 3:19 pm |
    • Innerspace is God's place while outerspace is for the human race

      :-) Love 'let's'

      October 26, 2012 at 3:23 pm |
    • niknak

      Dude, I do that everyday.
      All without having any belief in god or that by living this way I will get some get into heaven free card.
      My question, is why can't you fundies live your lives this way?
      I work with fundies, and none of them live even remotely like this.
      We travel for work about half the month, so I see them away from their families and sometime after a few drinks.
      Ugly is the only word I have for them.
      Everything out of their mouths is racist, backward and laced with violent overtones.
      And man, do fundies love strip clubs. These guys go all the time and know where everyone one near the hotel is.
      There might be some stand up fundies, but I have never met one in all my years around them.
      Good luck trying to get fundies to follow your advice. It won't get you anywhere with ugly fundies.

      October 26, 2012 at 3:30 pm |
    • myweightinwords

      @niknak,

      Dude, I do that everyday.

      That is not evident in what you post.

      All without having any belief in god or that by living this way I will get some get into heaven free card.
      My question, is why can't you fundies live your lives this way?

      My question in response is what makes you think I am a "fundie" exactly? Or do you simply assume that I am because something I said made you angry?

      I work with fundies, and none of them live even remotely like this.

      Unfortunately many people don't, whether they are religious or not.

      We travel for work about half the month, so I see them away from their families and sometime after a few drinks.
      Ugly is the only word I have for them.
      Everything out of their mouths is racist, backward and laced with violent overtones.

      I am very sorry that you have had such an experience. Perhaps you should say something to them if their words make you uncomfortable.

      And man, do fundies love strip clubs. These guys go all the time and know where everyone one near the hotel is.

      I will admit to enjoying a good strip show from time to time myself. I am not clear how that bears on our discussion however.

      There might be some stand up fundies, but I have never met one in all my years around them.

      It has been my experience that people are good and kind without regard to the faith (or lack thereof) that they claim, just as they are mean and anger without regard to the faith (or lack thereof) that they claim. I have met amazing people of all faiths in my lifetime.

      Good luck trying to get fundies to follow your advice. It won't get you anywhere with ugly fundies.

      So far, you have labeled me as someone you clearly have contempt for, used a pejorative word multiple times and you close by calling me (and those you presume I side with) "ugly". I refer you back to your opening statement...and I suggest that you try again tomorrow.

      October 26, 2012 at 3:40 pm |
    • Innerspace is God's place while outerspace is for the human race

      :-( Love knots

      October 26, 2012 at 3:49 pm |
    • Huebert

      I try to do that every day. I think I'm getting better at it, And I will say that the practice has improved my overall mood greatly.

      October 26, 2012 at 3:56 pm |
      • myweightinwords

        I can't say I always succeed. But it has changed how I see the world, how I interact with others.

        But what surprised me the most is how it changed how others interacted with me as well.

        October 26, 2012 at 3:59 pm |
    • fred

      You all sound like new born Christians in total agreement with what Jesus would have wanted. So just put a brown paper cover on the New Testiment and no one will know where you are getting that Godly radiance !

      October 26, 2012 at 4:03 pm |
    • myweightinwords

      As it would happen, Fred, it took walking away from Christianity for me to discover this, which only shows me how universal truth does not belong to religion.

      In learning to love others, I learned to love myself. In loving myself, I love all.

      Of course, that's a nice little statement that seems easy enough. But it isn't. Love is hard sometimes. Unconditional love is harder still.

      October 26, 2012 at 4:14 pm |
    • Huebert

      @fred

      No need to invoke God in order to be kind to others. While I have fond memories of my former church, I know for a fact that just because one is a christian does not mean that one will be kind.

      October 26, 2012 at 4:24 pm |
    • fred

      Universal truths, I like that, as it fits with my understanding of what Jesus was talking about. The local Jewish sects had taken on a life of their own and Jesus blasted them for burdening people with their crazy laws and traditions that never came from God.

      October 26, 2012 at 4:29 pm |
      • myweightinwords

        @fred,

        One need not believe in any god to see the transformative power that comes with loving yourself, with loving those around you.

        That power does not reside in any religion or text. It can not be found in a church or a preacher or a god.

        October 26, 2012 at 4:48 pm |
    • I wonder

      fred,

      Put brown paper on the teachings of Buddha regarding human relationships and you won't know them from your NT Jesus figure's ideas.

      October 26, 2012 at 4:29 pm |
    • fred

      Huebert
      Amazing how the truths of the Bible just get played over and over again. The Sanhedrin of Jesus day were the priests and holy men of the town. Yet they conducted a false trail and mocked Jesus. Prior to that the Sanhedrin had become; hypocrites, thieves, liars and the list goes on. That is what happens when religion reflects the evil of man rather than the Glory of God.

      October 26, 2012 at 4:37 pm |
    • fred

      I Wonder
      Have you been reading the Gospel of Mary again?

      October 26, 2012 at 4:38 pm |
    • Bob

      fred, we hope that bible "truths" from your horrid book of nasty never get played. Consider these fine demands in your horrid bible, both OT and NT:

      Numbers 31:17-18
      17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
      18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

      Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”

      Revelations 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

      Note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.

      Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.

      And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.

      So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.

      Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement. Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
      http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

      October 26, 2012 at 4:41 pm |
    • fred

      Bob
      Those are verses you have plucked out of a time, place and culture that make no sense unless put back into the proper light. You could the police to my house if your heard "you're killing me". In context; Please don't eat beans and fluff the sheets you're killing me !

      October 26, 2012 at 4:52 pm |
    • Huebert

      @Fred

      My point was actually the inverse. There are certain truths to human interaction that all religions pick up on. No religion has a monopoly on kindness and respect.

      October 26, 2012 at 4:52 pm |
    • I wonder

      fred,

      No, not the "Gospel of Mary", but here are a few tidbits:

      Jesus: "Do to others as you would have them do to you." Luke 6:31
      Buddha: "Consider others as yourself." Dhammapada 10:1

      Jesus: "If anyone strikes you on the cheek, offer the other also." Luke 6:29
      Buddha: "If anyone should give you a blow with his hand, with a stick, or with a knife, you should abandon any desires and utter no evil words." Majjhima Nikaya 21:6

      Jesus: "Truly I tell you, just as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me." Matthew 25:45
      Buddha: "If you do not tend to one another, then who is there to tend you? Whoever would tend me, he should tend the sick." Vinaya, Mahava.gga 8:26.3

      Jesus: "Put your sword back into its place; for all those who take the sword will perish by the sword." Matthew 26:52
      Buddha: "Abandoning the taking of life, the ascetic Gautama dwells refraining from taking life, without stick or sword." Digha Nikaya 1:1.8

      Jesus: "Those who want to save their life will lose it, and those who lose their life for my sake will save it." Mark 8:35
      Buddha: "With the relinquishing of all thought and egotism, the enlightened one is liberated through not clinging." Majjhima Nikaya 72:15

      Jesus: "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything that I have commanded you." Matthew 28:19-20
      Buddha: "Teach the dharma which is lovely at the beginning, lovely in the middle, lovely at the end. Explain with the spirit and the letter in the fashion of Brahma. In this way you will be completely fulfilled and wholly pure." Vinaya Mahav.agga 1:11.1

      –Reprinted from "Jesus and Buddha: The Parallel Sayings" edited by Marcus Borg, published by Ulysses Press

      p.s. Buddha lived and taught around 500 years before Jesus allegedly did.

      October 26, 2012 at 4:54 pm |
    • fred

      Huebert
      Could we then say these universal truths point towards absolute truth? If so can we agree upon absolute goodness as a goal for humanity?

      October 26, 2012 at 5:04 pm |
    • fred

      I wonder
      Now, if I can point to those same truths in the Old Testament would you conclude that Buddah perhaps picked up "Gods" universal truths?

      October 26, 2012 at 5:08 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @fred

      We know the first Buddha existed, we don't know your god exists. Prove that first.

      October 26, 2012 at 5:15 pm |
    • I wonder

      fred,

      "God's" universal truths? Not really. Perhaps Buddha and the OT Hebrews observed some general trends in human behavior and some practical cause-and-effect consequences - but that these behaviors come from a "divine" being, nope.

      October 26, 2012 at 5:22 pm |
    • ME II

      @fred,
      "Could we then say these universal truths point towards absolute truth?"
      I'd say no. Common ethics does not equate to universal, or absolute, "truth".

      "If so can we agree upon absolute goodness as a goal for humanity?"
      Again, I'd say no. Besides the leap to "absolute goodness" not being established, I'd say that there is no "goal" or purpose for humanity, that we have evidence of. As far as we know, we make our own purpose, hopefully together, because it might be easier that way.

      "Now, if I can point to those same truths in the Old Testament would you conclude that Buddah perhaps picked up 'Gods' universal truths?"
      I'd say no. One would have to establish that said "truths," if they existed, belonged to a supposed God. Then one would have to establish that Buddah "picked" them up from said God.

      October 26, 2012 at 5:29 pm |
    • Huebert

      Fred

      Unfortunately no, I would not agree that these truths point to an absolute truth. Also what do you mean by "absolute goodness"? Had you simply said goodness I would have no problem, but I tend to be very wary of absolutes.

      October 26, 2012 at 5:37 pm |
    • fred

      hawaiiguest
      Go back to Genesis and note that God spoke the world into existence. There will never be proof for that which you would find acceptable. Moses wrote down that God spoke and it was so. This we have evidence for but we do not have evidence of God speak.

      October 26, 2012 at 5:40 pm |
    • fred

      Huebert
      When Jesus said only God was good he was pointing towards goodness or purity that no human could achieve. That would be the absolute goodness I was referring. When I hear arguments over morality it seems to trend towards what is good? When two people disagree on what is good an agreeable higher authority must exist to resolve the issue. At some level we arrive at absolute goodness. What is the higher authority that brought us to understanding of absolute goodness?
      A universal good would be one that everyone accepts yet it may not be absolute if there is a higher authority that claims otherwise.

      October 26, 2012 at 6:07 pm |
    • fred

      ME II
      Thanks I had common and universal in the same box.

      October 26, 2012 at 6:09 pm |
    • Huebert

      Fred

      You just hit our difference on the head. You believe that a higher authority exists, in fact you said it must, where as I do not. I believe that people are a the ultimate authority, flawed though they are. This is where my resistance to absolutes stems from. You are more willing to deal in absolutes because you believe that an absolute authority must exist.

      October 26, 2012 at 6:38 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @fred

      And right back to my constant challenge to you. Prove A god exists, then prove it's your god. Otherwise, the bible is a book that you accept as an authority and I don't, and it's completely fucking useless to refer to in a discussion to me. I tell you this at least 3-4 times a week, and you never address it, merely cop-out or run away.

      October 26, 2012 at 7:27 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @fred

      Why is this so hard for you to accept? Your presuppositional bullshit is unjustified, and stating it as fact is no more relevant or logical than saying "orange, therefore iPhone".

      October 26, 2012 at 7:29 pm |
    • Bob

      fred, the fact that those verses are there at all is just one of the many problems that you can apparently present no response to.

      To go a step further, since you want to keep promoting your book of horrors bible and its horrid companion religion, why should we believe what your sky fairy purportedly put in a musty old book for some ancient goatherders? Why can't your "god" get with the times and push some tweets out, or even get with the last decade and produce his own website?

      On those grounds alone, a deity should expect reasonable doubt, to say the list. Pretty pathetic "god" that you've made for yourself there, that can't even do basic stuff on the web that even kids can do.

      October 26, 2012 at 7:33 pm |
    • Snow

      @fred..

      There are absolute verifiable historical records that show that – other than the twisted stories invented – the moral of every verse in the bible can be traced back to one or many religious books preexisting NT or the OT.. some of the oldest religions on the planet like hinduism and its vedas depict the moral confilcts of human mind and the advice to righteous in better way than how bible dumbs it down.

      Just because you do not know or refuse to believe something does not make a fact disappear, fred. How many times do people have to explain that to you?

      You have belief in your book, then its good for you. But to shove it on to others is wrong in every sense of morality

      October 26, 2012 at 7:50 pm |
    • fred

      hawaiiguest
      You say the Bible is bs and I have experienced God so I know it is not. There is no evidence you and I can agree upon as valid although there is an abundance of evidence. Now, when two people disagree is it not common to go to a higher authority that we both accept for resolution?

      October 26, 2012 at 8:58 pm |
    • fred

      Bob
      Tell me Bob, if you wanted to sort out those souls that would embrace eternity without ever again thinking evil into the world what would your plan be?

      October 26, 2012 at 9:04 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @fred

      1) Personal experience is completely useless when positing and expecting the acceptance of a thing to anyon else.
      2) Only if that authority is recognized as being existant, and genuinely authoritative. You have not demonstrated god, nor the authority of the bible, and therefore neither can be used as a higher authority in a disagreement between you and me.

      Seriously fred. Same tactics, always, and it comes to the same outcome. Can't you get anything new? Or how about this, how about some fucking evidence.

      October 26, 2012 at 9:08 pm |
    • fred

      Snow
      That would go both ways right? You cannot see what I see because you have rejected God. I have not seen any evidence that supports your view of existence. I primarily have a personal experience to go on and witness of that experience in many others all with the same result on a consistent basis.
      As to writings prior to the OT the answer is that Ebla tablets from 2400 BC confirm some key proverbs and cites mentioned in the Bible. If the Bible account is correct then those later civilizations took their material from the civilizations built by Cain or Noah depending on what you choose to believe.
      No, I do not force the Bible on anyone anymore than atheists force non-belief

      October 26, 2012 at 9:20 pm |
  10. Which God?

    @Jeebus is king of dupes (dopes). Quoting from a fairy -tale book, about a sky-fairy, who had a goofy son, who supposedly got himself nailed to crossed poles, is delusion at its best. I've been told to seek jeebus. I did. He's under the same rock you and the rest of your xtian freaks.

    October 26, 2012 at 2:20 pm |
    • Innerspace is God's place while outerspace is for the human race

      gonna let someone else shove rocks over and around are we?

      My two rocks hang lowly a jostle just a 'wi'. Don't ya be moving 'My Rocks' around! :-)

      October 26, 2012 at 3:27 pm |
  11. Bob

    Now, since JKofK is busily dumping bible bile on us today, let's have a look at what's really in that Christian book of nasty, from both OT and NT:

    Numbers 31:17-18
    17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
    18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

    Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”

    Revelations 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

    Note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.

    Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.

    And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.

    So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.

    Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement. Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
    http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

    October 26, 2012 at 2:10 pm |
    • niknak

      No different then the koran which says a follower has to try to convert those not muslim and kill those who won't convert.
      When asked about this, muslims will just brush it aside as being taken out of context.
      All the religions are founded on stone age thinking, and that is what one did back in those days.
      But one would think that 2000 years later, current people would reject this bull. But they cling to it even more fervently.
      Like Bob said, free your mind from religion.......

      October 26, 2012 at 3:35 pm |
    • Innerspace is God's place while outerspace is for the human race

      :-(

      October 26, 2012 at 3:45 pm |
    • Woe to those that call good evil and evil good

      Bob, you really are a waste of oxygen while proving to every Christian you don't know what those scriptures are. Jesus came to earth to disprove man made traditions and sacrificed himself so no other sacrifices were never to be conducted again. Read those scriptures again and you will see they were traditions of man, not God made. As usual, the nonbelievers kept up the man made traditions. Never the followers of his word.

      October 27, 2012 at 4:53 am |
  12. WASP

    great song by "meatloaf" "life is a lemon and i want my money back!"
    "What about faith?
    It's Defective!
    It's tattered and it's frayed

    What about your Gods?
    They're Defective!
    They forgot the warranty

    October 26, 2012 at 1:44 pm |
  13. Robert Brown

    Why would someone who doesn’t believe in God, believe that he judges and forgives sin? If someone doesn’t believe they are a sinner why would they need a savior?
    Peter said Jesus was the son of God. Jesus told him that God had revealed this to him, not another human, (Matthew 16: 13-17). We should sow the seed, water, and let God give the increase. He does the work that counts.

    October 26, 2012 at 1:14 pm |
    • Primewonk

      We don't.

      We simply point out the hypocrisy of the fundiot nutters who do believe.

      October 26, 2012 at 1:30 pm |
    • Huebert

      Why do Christians think that nonbelievers see the bible as an authoritative source? We do not believe that your god exist. Therefore, saying that something is the word of God or the word of Jesus, carries just as much weight as saying that something is the word of Batman.

      October 26, 2012 at 1:40 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Robert Brown

      You have asked questions like this before, as have other people, and the answers have usually been along the same lines. Maybe instead of just posting and closing your eyes, read the responses, and take in what people are saying.

      October 26, 2012 at 2:13 pm |
    • Robert Brown

      Hawaiiguest,
      I don’t post or reply as much as others, but I do read quite a bit on here. Primewonk thinks believers are hypocrites. Huebert rejects the authority of the bible and equates Jesus with Batman. I understand and disagree with what they wrote and have strong opinions as to why they wrote it. I could respond in kind, but I don’t think it would help them, me, or other readers. Thanks.

      October 26, 2012 at 2:55 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      Then why ask? Why post?
      It looks like you're just posting these things just so you can feel self-righteous. You say you understand, but do you really?

      October 26, 2012 at 3:09 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Robert

      To clarfiy, I did not say that you were posting to be self-righteous, I said that's what it looks like. Especially when you cite something that not everyone sees as an authority as some kind of ultimate authority, and avoid responding to the criticisms of that perceived authority.

      October 26, 2012 at 3:10 pm |
    • ME II

      @Robert Brown,
      So, if you know the answers and think you know reasons for those answers, then why ask the question, again.?

      October 26, 2012 at 3:13 pm |
    • Primewonk

      Sorry Robert, but that is another bullshit lie on your part. If you will note, I stated, " We simply point out the hypocrisy of the fundiot nutters who do believe." Did you catch the "fundiot nutter"'part?

      Why do you assholes lie like this Robert? Is it pleasing to your god?

      October 26, 2012 at 3:23 pm |
    • Huebert

      @Robert

      I do wish you would respond more. It would help both of us understand where the other is coming from better. For example, do you understand why I compare Jesus to Batman? I'm trying to illustrate to you, a believer, how a nonbeliever views Jesus. In order to do this I use a fantastical comparison.

      October 26, 2012 at 3:51 pm |
    • Robert Brown

      Hawaiiguest, ME II, Primewonk, Huebert,
      I ask questions for the same reason anyone else does, to see why people believe what they do, to initiate discussion, and to provoke thought. I really do understand. I start with the premise of faith. A non-believer starts with the premise of no faith. If you obtain faith it will be a gift from God, my opinion of God’s word of course.
      The gospel is presented in many ways and I have heard and read many testimonies from believers who relate several different situations where God revealed himself to them. The idea is that we present the word of God. That is it, we present it. How, when, and if God reveals it as truth to someone is up to him. He alone has the power to do that work in you.
      I apologize if what I post comes through as self righteous. I know in me (in my flesh) there is none.
      We presume knowledge of many things, how this works, how that works, what happened billions of years ago, and yet we know not what tomorrow may bring.

      October 27, 2012 at 7:53 am |
  14. Prayer is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer takes people away from actually working on real solutions to their problems.
    Prayer has been shown to have no discernible effect towards what was prayed for.
    Prayer makes you frothy like Rick Santorum. Just go to http://santorum.com to find out more.
    Prayer prevents you from getting badly needed exercise.
    Prayer makes you fat, pale, weak, and sedentary.
    Prayer wears out your clothes prematurely.
    Prayer contributes to global warming through excess CO2 emissions.
    Prayer fucks up your knees and your neck and your back.
    Prayer can cause heart attacks, especially among the elderly.
    Prayer reveals how stupid you are to the world.
    Prayer exposes your backside to pervert priests.
    Prayer makes you think doilies are exciting.
    Prayer makes you secretively flatulent and embarrassed about it.
    Prayer makes your kids avoid spending time with you.
    Prayer gives you knobbly knees.
    Prayer dulls your senses.
    Prayer makes you hoard cats.
    Prayer wastes time.

    October 26, 2012 at 11:19 am |
    • Karen

      ROFL @
      "Prayer makes you hoard cats"
      "Prayer makes you secretively flatulent and embarrassed about it."
      and the Santorum bit.

      Very funny. And true of a lot of religiofreaks. Thanks for that.

      October 26, 2012 at 11:22 am |
    • Damocles

      Seeing this always makes me laugh.

      October 26, 2012 at 11:25 am |
    • and as always

      dumbocles laughs at fatal accidents, injury to innocents and any natural disaster that takes human life.

      October 26, 2012 at 11:29 am |
    • Jesus is King of Kings

      There are many scriptures pertaining to unbelief in the bible. You nonbelievers should read them. Hebrews 3. 1 Timothy 1, Acts 7 and many more scriptures explaining why man did not want to believe the holiest of them all, but, clung to the ways of man such as you nonbelievers do today.

      Then read 1 Corinthians 15 to learn the gospel of Jesus Christ. If you think your scientists created all. Think again, or rather, think for the first time in your lives.

      October 26, 2012 at 1:03 pm |
    • Huebert

      @Jesus KoK

      You don't seem to understand that nonbelievers don't see the bible as anything more than a collection of iron age myths from the middle east.

      October 26, 2012 at 1:05 pm |
    • Jesus is King of Kings

      Huebert, that's one of the main excuses used by nonbelievers throughout the ages. All those that lived and died in previous generations have all perished. Never to obtain salvation. There's hope for all you nonbelievers by repenting to Jesus Christ for your unbelief. He will handle the rest. You always complain about how many years when Jesus walked the earth and his gospel being printed. Now you know. It was due to all you nonbelievers blocking his truth.

      October 26, 2012 at 1:22 pm |
    • WASP

      @Jesus king of nothing: hi i'm atheist............(wave kindly) your bible is in a pile in my floor along a torah scroll and pieces of the quran. to me it's all trash from humans that couldn't or wouldn't try to understand how the real world works.
      commenting with religious verses doesn't do much for us atheists, but nice try.

      October 26, 2012 at 1:24 pm |
    • WASP

      @jesus freak: why would we ask your invisible friend to forgive us for anything?
      ok if you ask ARES for forgiveness he will and then you can play swords together. ROFLMFAO

      October 26, 2012 at 1:26 pm |
    • Jesus is King of Kings

      WASP, that's another excuse. You'd rather believe Satan's lies than Jesus' truth. Therefore, you don't know what is true and what is a lie.

      October 26, 2012 at 1:30 pm |
    • Primewonk

      If we don't believe in your version of a god, we sure as hell don't believe in your satan.

      October 26, 2012 at 1:35 pm |
    • WASP

      @jesus king of toilettries: "Satan's lies than Jesus' truth."
      um what part of NO RELIGIOUS FAITH, don't you get.
      i don't believe in your god
      i don't believe in your demi-god jesus
      i don't fear your devil/lucifer/beyelsabub/ etc etc etc

      NONE OF YOUR RELIGIOUS CRAP IS REAL.
      look around where is the "devil on your shoulder?" can you truly see it? if you can you need to seek help.

      October 26, 2012 at 1:36 pm |
    • I wonder

      @Jesus KofK,
      " All those that lived and died in previous generations have all perished. Never to obtain salvation."

      Your verified evidence that this has occurred is....?

      October 26, 2012 at 1:37 pm |
    • Jesus is King of Kings

      I Wonder, read the follow.

      Hebrews 3:6-12

      6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.

      7 Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice,

      8 Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:

      9 When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.

      10 Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in [their] heart; and they have not known my ways.

      11 So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.)

      12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.

      October 26, 2012 at 1:48 pm |
    • I wonder

      @Jesus KofK,

      What? That is not verified evidence for anything ever actually having happened to anyone after death.

      October 26, 2012 at 1:53 pm |
    • Bob

      So JKoK, how come your pathetic god/Jeebus can't get with the modern times and push some tweets out, or even get with the last decade and produce his own website? Quite the pathetic sky fairy that you've made for yourself there.

      October 26, 2012 at 2:04 pm |
    • Bob

      And since JKofK is dumping bible bile on us, let's have a look at what's really in that Christian book of nasty, from both OT and NT:

      Numbers 31:17-18
      17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
      18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

      Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”

      Revelations 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

      Note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.

      Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.

      And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.

      So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.

      Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement. Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
      http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

      October 26, 2012 at 2:07 pm |
    • Huebert

      Jesus KoK

      You really don't get it do you? The bible is as factual as Spider Man. This is not an excuse, it is what I understand to be true.

      October 26, 2012 at 2:50 pm |
    • Jesus is King of Kings

      Huebert, my friend, you are the one that doesn't get it. You are being deceived by others that are deceived. That is what Jesus calls, the blind leading the blind into the ditch. Or, in your case, into the flames.

      October 26, 2012 at 3:02 pm |
    • Jesus is King of Kings

      Bob, some of those scriptures are traditions of man, nothing to do with Jesus. You should blame the scribes and Pharisees at the time.

      October 26, 2012 at 3:04 pm |
    • Huebert

      Jesus KoK

      I'm not being deceived by anyone. I came to this conclusion on my own. There is simply no evidence for God, and until there is I see no reason that I should believe that God exists.

      October 26, 2012 at 3:15 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      Oh look another religious sociopath. Gee that seems a lot more common on these threads. Then again, condemnation, sociopathy, judgement, evil, and self-righteous mental masturbation are all very Christian.

      October 26, 2012 at 3:20 pm |
    • Jesus is King of Kings

      Huebert, that's not how it works. Jesus comes back in your generation (end of days). What is the average lifespan for people today? 1948 started your generation. If the average age for your generation is 70, 80 or 90 and some have lived over 100 years. Count from 1948 to Jesus' return. Then it's too late. You lost your window of opportunity.

      October 26, 2012 at 3:33 pm |
    • Jesus is King of Kings

      Bob. the subject of Jesus is the most talked about on the Internet. You even talk about him here. Why, then, would you think he needs his own site when everyone (friends and foes) already discus him?

      October 26, 2012 at 3:36 pm |
    • Jesus is King of Kings

      I wonder, that is evidence that those that do not believe, perish. Disbelief is a sin.

      October 26, 2012 at 4:03 pm |
    • I wonder

      Jesus is King of Kings,

      No, those are bombastic threats from the first century zealot, Paul of Tarsus. They are in NO WAY evidence that anything of the sort actually happens.

      October 26, 2012 at 4:13 pm |
    • Huebert

      Jesus KoK

      1948 is the start of my parents generation, not mine. Though I apparently sound older than I am so I will take that as a compliment :). As to the whole end of the world thing, I intend to keep living as though the world will be here tomorrow. So far, I have always been correct.

      October 26, 2012 at 4:15 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      People have been saying "The end of the world is near" since damn near the beginning. It's ridiculous. It hasn't happened yet, and there is no reason to think it's going to happen anytime soon. Although I'll tell you what, if you really believe that the world will end soon, is there a specific date?

      October 26, 2012 at 4:17 pm |
    • Bob

      JKofK, so you admit that your god is so utterly pathetic that can't produce even a tweet of its own. Thanks for that admission. We'll add that to the fact that you have no other evidence to present for it either.

      October 26, 2012 at 8:24 pm |
  15. niknak

    Morning all;
    A bit nippy this morning, but as always, another beautiful day WITHOUT god(s).

    October 26, 2012 at 10:35 am |
    • Huebert

      It's sunny and 75 down here. Looks like it is going to be a wonderful weekend.

      October 26, 2012 at 10:37 am |
  16. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things

    October 26, 2012 at 7:25 am |
    • His cur jests

      Curb your God.

      October 26, 2012 at 7:45 am |
    • TROLL ALERT

      Please don't feed the troll.

      October 26, 2012 at 10:20 am |
    • TrollAlert

      "Ronald Regonzo" who degenerates to:
      "Salvatore" degenerates to:
      "Douglas" degenerates to:
      "truth be told" degenerates to:
      "Thinker23" degenerates to:
      "Atheism is not healthy ..." degenerates to:
      "another repentant sinner" degenerates to:
      "Dodney Rangerfield" degenerates to:
      "tina" degenerates to:
      "captain america" degenerates to:
      "Atheist Hunter" degenerates to:
      "Anybody know how to read? " degenerates to:
      "just sayin" degenerates to:
      "ImLook'nUp" degenerates to:
      "Kindness" degenerates to:
      "Chad" degenerates to
      "Bob" degenerates to
      "nope" degenerates to:
      "2357" degenerates to:
      "WOW" degenerates to:
      "fred" degenerates to:
      "!" degenerates to:
      "pervert alert"

      This troll is not a christian.

      October 26, 2012 at 11:00 am |
    • Jesus

      Prayer does not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs.

      October 26, 2012 at 11:08 am |
    • Prayer is not healthy for children and other living things

      Prayer takes people away from actually working on real solutions to their problems.
      Prayer has been shown to have no discernible effect towards what was prayed for.
      Prayer makes you frothy like Rick Santorum. Just go to http://santorum.com to find out more.
      Prayer prevents you from getting badly needed exercise.
      Prayer makes you fat, pale, weak, and sedentary.
      Prayer wears out your clothes prematurely.
      Prayer contributes to global warming through excess CO2 emissions.
      Prayer messes up your knees and your neck and your back.
      Prayer can cause heart attacks, especially among the elderly.
      Prayer reveals how stupid you are to the world.
      Prayer exposes your backside to pervert priests.
      Prayer makes you think doilies are exciting.
      Prayer makes you secretively flatulent and embarrassed about it.
      Prayer makes your kids avoid spending time with you.
      Prayer gives you knobbly knees.
      Prayer makes you frothy like Rick Santorum. Just google him to find out.
      Prayer dulls your senses.
      Prayer makes you hoard cats.
      Prayer wastes time.

      October 26, 2012 at 11:20 am |
    • hal 9001

      I'm sorry, "Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things", but your assertions regarding atheism and prayer are unfounded. Using my Idiomatic Expression Equivalency module, the expression that best matches the degree to which your assertions may represent truths is: "TOTAL FAIL".

      I see that you repeat these unfounded statements with high frequency. Perhaps the following book can help you:

      I'm Told I Have Dementia: What You Can Do... Who You Can Turn to...
      by the Alzheimer's Disease Society

      October 26, 2012 at 11:40 am |
    • Jesus is King of Kings

      Even the Apostle Paul who was Saul the Pharisees also, did not believe. Actually, he hated Jesus Christ. Then he met Jesus and became one of the writers of Jesus' gospel, died by beheading of other nonbelievers for his belief.

      October 26, 2012 at 1:40 pm |
    • Bob

      Since JKofK is dumping bible bile on us a lot today, let's have a look at what's really in that Christian book of nasty, from both OT and NT:

      Numbers 31:17-18
      17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
      18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

      Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”

      Revelations 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

      Note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.

      Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.

      And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.

      So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.

      Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement. Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
      http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

      October 26, 2012 at 2:09 pm |

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