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In Obama’s first term, an evolving Christian faith and a more evangelical style
President Obama speaking from the pulpit of a Washington church in 2010.
October 27th, 2012
10:00 PM ET

In Obama’s first term, an evolving Christian faith and a more evangelical style

Editor's note: This is the last in a series about the faith lives of the presidential candidates, which includes a profile of Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney.

By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor

Washington (CNN) – President Obama’s prayers for a strong first debate may not have been answered, but that doesn’t mean the prayers weren’t happening.

Before he stepped onto a Colorado stage earlier this month to face off with Mitt Romney for the first time, Obama joined a conference call with a small circle of Christian ministers.

“The focus of that prayer was, ‘Oh, Lord, you know precisely what the president needs to say,'” says Kirbyjon Caldwell, a Methodist megachurch pastor from Texas who helped lead the call. “'You know what this country needs during the next four years.’”

“'And so I would pray that your primary will and words that you want the president to say will fall from his lips,'” Caldwell goes on, recalling his prayer.

Obama, for his part, was mostly silent.

“There’s a profound and genuine humility in the presence of Christ himself,” Caldwell says, describing the president on such calls. “I think he recognizes it as a holy moment.”

It was the second time Caldwell and Obama had prayed by phone in as many months. The two had connected in August on a prayer call Obama has hosted on his birthday every year since coming to the White House.

Welcome to the intense, out-of-the-box and widely misunderstood religious life of President Barack Obama.

Though he famously left his controversial pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, the year he was elected to the presidency, a handful of spiritual advisers close to Obama say that his time in office has significantly deepened his faith.

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Stephen Mansfield, a former Christian pastor who wrote the book “The Faith of Barack Obama,” goes so far to say that Obama has experienced a spiritual transformation.

“I think we do have at heart a new man, so to speak,” says Mansfield, who worked closely with the White House and with some Obama religious advisers on his book. “He has undergone a pretty significant personal religious change in his first term.”

Methodist minister Kibyjon Caldwell, right, has grown close to President Obama after serving as a spiritual counselor to President George W. Bush. Here, Caldwell and Bush share a stage in 2003.

Obama’s faith advisers say Mansfield goes a step too far, though they acknowledge that when it comes to his faith, Obama has changed.

“There is a deepening development in his relationship with God,” says Joel Hunter, a Florida-based pastor who has been in touch with Obama nearly every week since he took office. “He chooses to stay faithful in daily habits of study and prayer and consistent times of interchange with spiritual leaders.”

“I am not sure he did that before he came to the presidency.”

Whether or not Obama has been spiritually “reborn” in the evangelical sense, his spiritual counselors say the president’s faith has helped shape his first term in ways that haven’t been appreciated by voters or the news media.

And they say the presidency is bringing Obama to a new place in his faith - building on a system of belief and practice that helped bring him to the White House in the first place.

Talking like Billy Graham

These days, when the president talks about his faith, he sounds like a born-again Christian.

Addressing the National Prayer Breakfast in Washington this year, Obama recalled meeting the nation’s most iconic evangelical Christian, Billy Graham, and described his struggle to find the right words as he prayed aloud with the aging evangelist.

“Like that verse in Romans, the Holy Spirit interceded when I didn’t know quite what to say,” Obama told the gathering, invoking the New Testament.

It was hardly the only part of the speech where Obama was speaking “Christianese” – employing a lexicon familiar to evangelical Christians, who put a premium on quoting Scripture and communing directly with the Holy Spirit.

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At the same breakfast, Obama spoke of spending time every morning in “Scripture and devotion” and dropped the names of “friends like Joel Hunter or T.D. Jakes,” both well-known pastors of evangelical megachurches.

“He was talking like Billy Graham” at the breakfast, says Mansfield, who also wrote an admiring spiritual biography of former President George W. Bush.

Even in the more secular setting of the Democratic National Convention, Obama hinted at an intense White House prayer life, along with his need for God’s grace.

Some say President Obama sounds like an evangelical when he speaks about his religion, echoing the famous evangelist Billy Graham. The two men met at Graham's mountaintop home in North Carolina home in 2010.

“While I'm proud of what we've achieved together, I'm far more mindful of my own failings,” Obama said in his acceptance speech, “knowing exactly what Lincoln meant when he said, ‘I have been driven to my knees many times by the overwhelming conviction that I had no place else to go.’"

Such pious talk marks a departure from how the president discussed his faith life before his White House years.

Back then, Obama cited his religion more as a basis for social action than for spiritual sustenance. He would temper declarations of belief with affirmations of doubt.

Asked in a 2004 interview whether he prayed often, Obama, then a candidate for U.S. Senate in Illinois, responded: “Uh, yeah, I guess I do.”

In a 2007 interview with the Chicago Sun-Times, Obama voiced skepticism about Scripture.

“There are aspects of the Christian tradition that I’m comfortable with and aspects that I’m not,” he said. “There are passages of the Bible that make perfect sense to me and others that I go ‘Ya know, I’m not sure about that.’”

These days, Obama forgoes such equivocations in favor of a full-throated Christianity.

To Mansfield, the evolution of Obama’s comments on religion bespeak a born-again experience, prompted largely by the president’s break with Wright and his arrival into a circle of spiritual counselors that includes many evangelicals.

The White House declined requests to speak to Obama.

But Hunter, the president’s closest spiritual counselor, says Obama has technically been a born-again Christian for more than 25 years, since accepting Jesus at Wright’s Chicago church in the 1980s.

But it's in the last four years that the president has become more evangelical in his habits.

He now begins each morning reading Christian devotionals on his Blackberry.

And then there’s the circle of pastors Obama has begun praying with before big events like the first presidential debate.

A circle of evangelicals

After landing in Washington following his 2008 election, Obama shopped around for a new church. But he wound up making his spiritual home instead among a circle of far-flung pastors that includes Hunter, Jakes and Caldwell, the minister from Texas.

Conference calls with the group started while Obama was still a presidential candidate, including on the night of his 2008 victory. The president-elect spoke by phone with Hunter and other Christian ministers, rejoicing in victory but also grieving the death of his grandmother, who helped raise him, just a few days earlier.

The migration from Wright – who almost brought down Obama’s campaign with videos that showed him sermonizing about “God damn America” and “the U.S. of KKK A” – to this new group, says Mansfield, has been underappreciated.

“[Obama] went into the Oval Office … questioning the only pastor he’d ever had,” Mansfield says. “Wright left him humiliated.”

“And there were deeper questions about the theology that [Obama] had received,” Mansfield continues. “Some part of Wright’s religious orientation had failed.”

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Where Wright is a liberal mainline Protestant, emphasizing liberation and social action, Obama’s new circle of pastors includes theologically conservative evangelicals like Hunter and Jakes, who stress God’s grace and personal transformation.

Mansfield notes that the chaplain who has presided for the last few years at Camp David, where Obama spends many Sundays, is also an evangelical.

Some of Obama’s spiritual counselors credit Joshua DuBois, executive director of the White House Office of Faith-based and Neighborhood Partnerships, with leading Obama to a more evangelical-flavored Christianity. Caldwell calls him the president’s personal pastor.

A former associate pastor at a Pentecostal church in Boston, DuBois is the one responsible for sending Obama Scriptures and scriptural meditations five days a week; Hunter does it on the other two days.

The evangelical pastor Joel Hunter, center, and White House Office of Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships Executive Director Joshua DuBois, right, are the President’s closest religious counselors. Here they are in February.

DuBois convenes a daily 8:15 a.m. conference call with pastors to pray for the country and the president, who is not on the call. (Lately, those calls have also included prayers for Mitt Romney.)

And it’s DuBois who organized the president’s circle of spiritual advisers. After graduate school at Princeton, DuBois talked his way onto Obama’s staff at the U.S. Senate, repeatedly driving to Washington to make his case after job applications were rejected.

When Obama launched his presidential campaign a few years later, DuBois was plucked as its faith outreach director.

The 30-year-old White House aide plays down his influence on his boss.

“He has always been on a Christian journey,” DuBois says of Obama, “and the challenges of the office, of being leader of the free world, provides a deepening and strengthening of faith, and that’s what you see with the president.”

“I remember working with him around the Scripture he would use at the memorial service for the miners in West Virginia,” DuBois says, referring to the 2010 tragedy that left 29 dead. “These are obviously moments when one's faith is strengthened.”

The unparalleled trials of the Oval Office have been known to deepen the religiosity of presidents ranging from Abraham Lincoln to Ronald Reagan.

Hunter says the same thing has happened to this president: “His faith has been growing as the challenges of the presidency have become more naturally the main part of his own everyday life.”

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One of Hunter’s first Oval Office encounters with Obama came shortly after the president took office, at a time when the economy was shedding 750,000 jobs a month.

“He acknowledged at that meeting what many may know but few remember: that by the time issues get to the president, there are no simple or clear answers or they would have been solved by others,” Hunter says. “So we prayed.”

A few months later, Hunter was in the Oval Office again, noticing that “the unremitting heaviness of the office was setting in.”

“I saw something that has been consistent ever since: He cannot just pray for himself and his family,” Hunter says by e-mail. “At least I have never seen it. His faith, his heart, always includes those who are being left out through no fault of their own.”

Despite the changes they’ve seen in Obama, both Hunter and DuBois are uncomfortable with the word “transformation” when it comes to Obama’s White House faith life.

“The president doesn’t deal in labels,” says DuBois. “He knows God’s grace is sufficient for him and beyond that doesn’t get into labels, evangelical or mainline. He’s a proud Christian.”

Loving God by loving your neighbor

When the Rev. Sharon Watkins and a group of fellow Protestant ministers sat down with Obama at the White House a couple years into the president’s term, she knew the pastors would get wonky about religion.

“You get a bunch of ministers in the room and we’re all church geeks – it’s theological,” says Watkins, who along with the other pastors had come to talk about poverty. “But the president got every biblical allusion and reference. … He’s just a person who is biblically and theologically literate.”

If Obama’s personal theology has grown more conservative, he is inclined to apply it toward liberal political ends.

“I’d be remiss if my values were limited to personal moments of prayer or private conversations with pastors or friends,” Obama said at the National Prayer Breakfast in February. “So instead, I must try - imperfectly, but I must try - to make sure those values motivate me as one leader of this great nation.”

In signing laws that have increased Wall Street regulations and stopped health insurance companies from rejecting patients with preexisting conditions, Obama said at the breakfast, he wanted to “make the economy stronger for everybody.”

“But I also do it because I know that far too many neighbors in our country have been hurt and treated unfairly over the last few years,” he continued. “And I believe in God’s command to ‘love thy neighbor as thyself.’”

Obama and first lady Michelle Obama and their daughters Malia and Sasha leave church after attending a Sunday prayer service.

Obama went on to frame decisions as disparate as ending tax breaks for the wealthy and defending foreign aid as examples of biblical principles in action, quoting Jesus’ teaching that “for unto whom much is given, much shall be required” and invoking the “biblical call to care for the least of these.”

That last biblical reference also loomed large in another 2011 White House meeting between Obama and a group of religious leaders. They’d come to urge the president to protect programs for the poor amid his fight with Congress over raising the nation’s debt ceiling.

The Rev. Jim Wallis, a progressive activist, recalls the meeting:

In pressing Obama to take cuts to those programs off the table, one Roman Catholic bishop told the president that “the text that we are obliged to obey does not say ‘as you have done to the middle class you have done to me.’”

“It says as you’ve done to the least of these, you have done to me,” the bishop said.
“I know that text,” Obama responded. The passage is from the Matthew 25 in the New Testament.

“So there was this very rigorous conversation,” Wallis says, “and we pressed him on applying Matthew 25 to this decision about protecting those who were the least of these.”

Ultimately, the programs that the religious leaders were lobbying for were protected in the debt ceiling deal, though it’s unclear how big a role the religious leaders played.

For liberal Christians, such victories embody the justice of the social gospel, the idea that believers should do God’s work – even aid the Second Coming - by improving society.

“I do notice that sometimes, like on health care, when [Obama] says it’s the right thing to do, it’s him saying you love God by loving your neighbor,” says Watkins, who leads a mainline denomination called Christian Church (Disciples of Christ). “He’s doing the best he can to be guided by God so he can be a faithful follower of Christ.”

Skeptics might write off Obama’s Bible talk as sanctimonious window dressing, aimed at no higher purpose than connecting with churchgoers in the purple and red states. But translating the Good Book into progressive politics has always been a mainstay of Obama’s political biography.

‘An awesome God in the blue states’

When Obama landed on Chicago’s South Side in 1985 as an idealistic 23-year-old, eager to start work as a community organizer, he was already a political liberal.

He was also a man without a religion, the son of a spiritual-but-not-religious mother whom he would later describe as “a lonely witness for secular humanism” and an estranged African father who was born a Muslim but died an atheist.

Obama’s work in Chicago, built around causes like tenants’ rights and job training for laid-off workers, was steeped in religion.

His salary was paid by a coalition of churches. And the job took him into many black churches, among the most influential institutions in the neighborhood he was organizing, including Wright’s Trinity United Church of Christ.

After a lifelong struggle to fit in, set in motion by his mixed-race parents, Trinity felt like home.

“I came to realize that without a vessel for beliefs, without an unequivocal commitment to a particular community of faith,” he wrote later, “I would be consigned at some level to always remain apart.”

The Rev. Jeremiah Wright, who brought Obama to Christianity, ignited controversy that almost brought down Obama's 2008 presidential campaign.

The changes that Wright’s church wrought weren’t just personal. Baptism and active membership there equipped Obama with an ability to connect with churchgoers he was trying to organize – and, years later, with religious voters he was trying to win over – in a deeper way.

Wright, who did not respond to interview requests for this story, gave Obama a moral framework for his liberal politics. The pastor espoused a black liberation theology that equates Jesus’ life and death with the plight of those who Wright saw as disenfranchised, from African-Americans to Palestinians.

“Wright is the religious version of almost everything Obama already believed without religion,” says Mansfield, who spent time at Trinity for his book. “It’s a support of oppressed people anywhere in the world.”

When Obama emerged on the national stage, his comfortable religiosity and sensitivity to the concerns of churchgoing Americans helped distinguish him as a Democrat.

“We worship an awesome God in the blue states,” he declared to huge applause in his keynote address at the 2004 Democratic National Convention, catching the attention of young Christians like Joshua DuBois.

But at that same convention, Obama’s party nominated John Kerry, a candidate who eschewed God talk and who lost his own Catholic demographic on Election Day.

Four years later, Obama hired religious outreach staffers like DuBois for his presidential campaign and made a point of meeting with Christian Right leaders who’d never before heard from a Democratic presidential nominee.

Obama went on to win in places like Indiana and North Carolina, evangelical-heavy states that a Democratic presidential nominee hadn’t taken in decades.

If the Rev. Wright had almost brought down his presidential campaign, the controversial minister had also long ago laid the groundwork for Obama to connect with the churchgoing voters who had turned their backs on Kerry.

The politics of confusion

As president, the line between Obama’s personal convictions and his political prowess on religious matters can sometimes be hard to discern.

Obama invited the conservative evangelical megapastor Rick Warren to give the invocation at his 2009 inauguration, ruffling liberal feathers. He introduced an annual Easter prayer breakfast as a new White House tradition. He gives shout-outs to young evangelical leaders in major speeches.

Obama asked evangelical pastor Rick Warren to pray at his inauguration, riling some of the president's liberal supporters.

All can be seen as genuine reflections of Obama’s faith and his appreciation for the role of religious leaders in public life. And in a nation where more people believe in angels than in evolution - a fact that the president himself has publicly noted - all promise political benefits.

The same could be said for Obama’s predecessor, George W. Bush, and for presidents as diverse as Jimmy Carter and Reagan: All had deep spiritual streaks that enabled the political art of courting religious Americans, especially evangelicals.

The irony, in Obama’s case, is that despite his orthodox utterances - there’s “something about the resurrection of our savior, Jesus Christ, that puts everything else in perspective,” he said at this year's Easter breakfast - polls continue to show widespread confusion about his faith.

Only half the country can correctly identify Obama as Christian, according to one recent Pew poll, while 17% falsely believe he is a Muslim.

“He’s a Christian and he professes his Christian faith - I don’t know what else this man has to do to get that into folks’ ears,” says Caldwell, who was also close to George W. Bush.

President Obama at the 2011 White House Easter prayer breakfast, an annual tradition that he started.

But Obama’s public piety has helped him bond with young evangelical leaders, who are less tied to the GOP than their parents’ generation.

“I was struck by the specificity of what he described in terms of theology and what it means to him,” says Gabe Lyons, one such leader, describing a White House Easter breakfast he attended. “His message is very specific and very orthodox.”

Where exactly that new orthodoxy comes from – the pressures of the White House, a new circle of religious advisers or, to a certain degree, from political calculation – may become clearer after Obama's presidency, if he opens up about such matters.

Until then, the president is likely to keep speaking "Christianese" - and resisting Christian labels.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Barack Obama • Christianity • Politics

soundoff (4,988 Responses)
  1. Matt0085

    How can you pretend that Obama has faith, is a Christian, when he wants to force US citizen to pay for abortions (Obamacare) thinks that gay marriage is so important? well i should not be surprised, CNN, and most of the medias, celebrities, think that he has done so much, really what? continue to divide people maybe.

    November 6, 2012 at 10:14 pm |
    • was blind, but now I see

      The end is truly near.

      November 10, 2012 at 6:04 pm |
  2. Michael, Chapel Hill

    "Angel of Light." A tree is understood by its fruits and not the leaves.

    November 6, 2012 at 10:06 pm |
  3. DDavidson

    Muslim

    November 6, 2012 at 9:44 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Dumbazz.

      November 6, 2012 at 9:44 pm |
    • Persimmon

      Are you a muslin? how else would you know who is one?

      November 6, 2012 at 10:13 pm |
    • NPhxAz

      Damn right he is a Muslim.

      November 6, 2012 at 10:15 pm |
  4. DDavidson

    Obama is Muslim

    November 6, 2012 at 9:43 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      You're an idiot.

      November 6, 2012 at 9:44 pm |
  5. Margol

    When the hell can we stop pretending like someones faith matters in the slightest? The day we don't bother to equate religion and politics is the day we actually get on the same page as the rest of the world.

    November 6, 2012 at 9:34 pm |
  6. JessSayin

    Should read: "How Obama's Faith Changed in an Election Year"

    November 6, 2012 at 8:39 pm |
  7. Paul

    I mainly a Democratic voter. I am also a believer that Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God. Therefore I believe in the Word of God. When President Obama changed his views on Gay marriage, is when he lost my vote. In the Bible there are Kings that did what was right in the eyes of God and Kings who were wicked in the eyes of God. No in-between. This decision of the President was a wicked act in the eyes of God. And if God disapproves, then so do I.

    November 6, 2012 at 8:24 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      LOL it's always funny to see the supposed single issue people like yourself. I highly dout that you "generally voted Democratic", since the left have generally been the party of equal rights for the LGBT community.

      November 6, 2012 at 8:29 pm |
    • T-Max73

      Only the arrogant and ignorant claim to know what their deity of choice wants and hates. I can see the bigot has spoken with your remark.

      November 6, 2012 at 9:24 pm |
  8. ItsClose

    How come more people do not notice that when Obama is with Muslim's, he's a Muslim and when he's with Christians, he talks the talk but doesn't do the walk? Obama has a habit of always telling the audience exactly what he thinks they want to hear regardless of his own personal beliefs. This is conman behavior. I have observed Obama tickling ears enough that I believe that he is one of the best conmen of this generation. If people held Obama to the same standards as they do for Republicans, Obama would still be a community organizer in Chicago. I can think of 16 trillion plus reasons why not to vote for Obama. Obviously, people do not have a clue what a $16 trillion deficit means otherwise they would not be voting for Obama at all. If re-elected, that $16 trillion dollar deficit is only going to keep growing and eventually all us Americans will be so hurting, it will be terrible.

    November 6, 2012 at 8:24 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      Obviously you don't know either, since it's a 16 trillion debt not deficit. Seriously do you know anything about what you're talking about? Doesn't seem like it.

      November 6, 2012 at 8:27 pm |
  9. Ann Wilson

    If Obama really was a Muslim, why would he support womens rights? No. It is the Republicans who are the
    American Taliban. Ladies, hows that burga lookin on you all?

    November 6, 2012 at 8:20 pm |
    • NPhxAz

      Ann, but you are obviously a big fat TOOL.

      November 6, 2012 at 10:18 pm |
  10. The Truth

    Social Security runs out of money in 2035 but many people like the program and have relied on it for half a century. What to do?... FVCKING FUND IT YOU MORONS! I will pay my extra 2% in taxes that it would take to balance social security through the end of the century, anyone who say's they can't afford it is a lying partisan who doesn't care about America.

    Medicare runs out of money in 2024 but many people like the program that has kept health care costs down and helped keep our elderly healthy for half a century. What to do? Again, FUND IT!! It is a great program that has worked for millions for decades and yet the partisans want to kick it to the curb along with other peoples grandmothers. Its just sickening.

    Abortion: NEWS FLASH!! NO ONE FORCES ANYONE TO GET AN ABORTION IN AMERICA!! WHATS YOUR FVCKING PROBLEM? If you are a Christian you get to hold to your beliefs all you want, thats because we live in a free country and no one is forcing you to use contraceptives or get abortions, so get the fvck out of my face.

    Gay Marriage: NEWS FLASH!!! NO ONE FORCES ANYONE TO GET GAY MARRIED IN AMERICA!! If you are a Christian you get to hold to your beliefs all you want, thats because we live in a free country and no one is forcing you to get gay married or attend gay weddings, so get the fvck out of my face.

    My Tax dollars get spent on things by the government that I disagree with. What to do? Join the fvcking club buddy. I have had my tax dollars spent on military programs and nation building that I completely disagreed with, did I have a choice in the matter? No. So shut the fvck up and pay your taxes regardless of whether they are helping poor women pay for their contraceptives or going to fund more wars.

    These are the issues of our lifetime and i'll be damned if I let the irresponsible ignorant republican party pull down their pants and shlt on my rights without shoving my boot as far as it will go up their asses.

    November 6, 2012 at 8:06 pm |
    • chas

      In going through the various responses regarding this article, I find yours to be completely uncalled for and asinine. Number one, it has nothing to do with the article. Secondly, it's not that kind of language and tone that gets people to work together. Buy a dictionary and learn to expand your vocabulary. Furthermore, leave the comments section to those who have a constructive opinion.

      November 6, 2012 at 8:47 pm |
  11. rg

    I dont believe this, and he does not seem to have faith, he is all talk, selfish, but no substance..

    November 6, 2012 at 8:05 pm |
  12. JJ

    Since I'm paying taxes on behalf of tax exempt churches they should be providing some public services. I think they should provide dinner as well and perhaps fill up your tank too. I guess I have no problem voting at these places as long as I don't have to walk past statues or pictures of some long haired hippy being brutally tortured on some old Greek torture device. That's just very distasteful.

    November 6, 2012 at 7:48 pm |
    • MCR

      I hadn't thought of that – bringing you kids in with you to vote and leaving them standing under a stature of a torture victim would be a bit off.

      November 6, 2012 at 7:55 pm |
  13. Richard Carrier

    President Obama's claims of being a Christian are suspect as his actions do not line up with his words.

    1. He is pro-abortion, including partial birth abortions

    2. He has repeatedly voted to follow through with terminating babies that survive an abortion

    3. He is pro-ho,mose,xual and champions marriage for them

    4. He has openly ridiculed and mocked the Bible. (This can be googled or found on youtube)

    5. He says he is for Israel, but his actions say otherwise.

    Yet it is claimed that he stands for Christian values. I guess I'm just wondering which ones.

    November 6, 2012 at 7:34 pm |
    • Richard Carrier

      And let's not forget his 'slip up' by referring to his muslim faith when being interviewed with George Stephanopolus and then responded with 'uh...Chrustian faith" after George's prompting on the issue.

      I don't know of anyone that has slipped up about his beliefs. I've never slipped and called myself muslim when referring to my Chrisitian faith. Have you?

      November 6, 2012 at 7:38 pm |
    • MCR

      @Richard, I was in the car when my father got his nationality wrong (named another country) when talking to a boarder guard. Stuff happens when people are tired and have a lot going through their heads.

      November 6, 2012 at 7:43 pm |
    • midwest rail

      How many times does this absurd story regarding a "slip-up" need to be debunked before you fundiots stop posting it as if it were true ?

      November 6, 2012 at 7:46 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Richard what you "don't know" would fill at least 2 books.

      November 6, 2012 at 9:37 pm |
  14. Jesus Christ

    “There is a deepening development in his relationship with God,” says Joel Hunter, a Florida-based pastor who has been in touch with Obama nearly every week since he took office. “He chooses to stay faithful in daily habits of study and prayer and consistent times of interchange with spiritual leaders.”

    Yeah, you're going to have to tell me AND GOD, just how - for one example - authorizing drone strikes in Pakistan (clearly an unauthorized and un-prosecuted crime against peace and war-crime) that kill civilians is deepening any kind of relationship with God, Joel.

    Because you're sounding like something God doesn't appreciate AT ALL. Apparently people just don't get it - there aren't excuses for killing people to achieve some political goal. And carrying on drone strikes to kill people in a country we're not at war with isn't even something human laws - those that are prosecuted - tolerate with anything but disgust.

    Apparently people like you believe God is naive enough to agree with Obama's agenda for breaking human law to murder people - and at the same time develop a "deepening relationship" that is in any way based on a love or respect for God.

    Joel, you must have an incredible amount of respect for God yourself.

    November 6, 2012 at 7:34 pm |
  15. WillieLove

    November 6, 2012 at 7:32 pm |
  16. eroteme

    Change of faith? Oh yeah! He chose the church , (iand minister,) in Chicago to enhance his standing with the black community in Chicago. He closed his membership when his minister, (his admitted mentor) became a political liability. Clever one, that Obama. What a religious man!

    November 6, 2012 at 7:25 pm |
    • MCR

      Obama's a liar, Romney's a liar...how the heck do you think someone gets elected? The game is just about picking the person we think lied for the best reasons and will do best for the country.

      November 6, 2012 at 7:45 pm |
    • maggiethree

      BO quotes the (so-called) holy koran FAR more than he quotes the Bible. He has said he is muslim, he has said he would stand with the Muslim faith, he has taken tax payer dollars by the trillions to build mosques abroad–what more proof do we need? the man is our enemy and it is unfathomable to me at least that people are so gullable as to vote for him. If he wins this election it is because The Father in Heaven has told His Son, the Lord Jesus, "Saddle that white horse, Son", We're taking My people hone!!

      November 6, 2012 at 10:17 pm |
  17. Richard Carrier

    Chopped Liver writes "Well, I'll just wait for that then. Richard Carrier 'revealing' himself to me means nothing. I guess I am just not as special as you are."

    Chopped – actually, you are just as 'special' as I am. Jesus Christ died for your sins too, just as He did for me. I admit I'm nobody special.

    But salvation is available for whomever wants it. If you were willing to seek after the Lord in humility and sincerity, He would reveal Himself to you as He dd for me.

    November 6, 2012 at 7:23 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      LOL Pray and believe, then you'll get the evidence to believe. Confirmatory bias anyone?

      November 6, 2012 at 7:46 pm |
  18. WillieLove

    November 6, 2012 at 7:19 pm |
  19. Shuksan

    Most professed believers are on a spiritual journey and will likely die with beliefs modified from when they were children. That doesn't mean flip-flopping. I'm more worried about people who have an inability or no desire to ever change their minds.

    November 6, 2012 at 7:19 pm |
  20. rrhloe

    The only change in his faith would be if the – the M u s l i m b r o t h e r h o o d informed him he can't actually walk on water!

    November 6, 2012 at 7:07 pm |
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The CNN Belief Blog covers the faith angles of the day's biggest stories, from breaking news to politics to entertainment, fostering a global conversation about the role of religion and belief in readers' lives. It's edited by CNN's Daniel Burke and Eric Marrapodi with daily contributions from CNN's worldwide newsgathering team.