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The Undecided: Radical for Jesus, dubious of Romney
Rob Seyler in the classrom where he teaches the Bible to high school students.
October 29th, 2012
04:52 PM ET

The Undecided: Radical for Jesus, dubious of Romney

By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor

Des Moines, Iowa (CNN) – With Bible verses painted on the walls of his living room and with an unshakable belief that hell is for real, there's no question that Rob Seyler is a devout evangelical Christian.

He is also a renegade.

Tucked into his well-thumbed Bible, the spine held together with silver duct tape, is a picture of Marilyn Manson in full goth makeup. Seyler, a high school Bible teacher, says the metal singer's writings shed light into the secret world of suffering teens.

Musically, Seyler gravitates more to Johnny Cash, partly because of the musician's intense religiosity. But Seyler will be the first to tell you that Cash's memoir of life as a sinner, "Man in Black," is much better than Cash's Christian novel, "Man in White."

His renegade streak extends to Seyler's classroom at the Grandview Park Baptist School in gritty East Des Moines, where he has painted so many brightly colored quotes and pictures onto the walls that it looks like a pop artist's studio. There are Bible verses and a black and white silhouette of Johnny Cash and an image that Seyler says has "created a little bit of a ruckus."

Read the fully story about undecided Iowa evangelical voter Rob Seyler.
- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Christianity • Iowa • Politics

soundoff (195 Responses)
  1. joanna

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    January 27, 2013 at 5:58 am |
  2. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer really changes things
    Proven

    November 1, 2012 at 7:38 am |
    • TrollAlert

      "Ronald Regonzo" who degenerates to:
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      "truth be told" degenerates to:
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      "captain america" degenerates to:
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      "fred" degenerates to:
      "!" degenerates to:
      "pervert alert"

      This troll is not a christian;

      November 1, 2012 at 10:27 am |
    • Jesus

      You're a proven liar. Prayer does not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs.

      November 1, 2012 at 10:33 am |
  3. Colorado Christian

    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7q6brMrFw0E&w=640&h=390]

    October 30, 2012 at 9:02 pm |
  4. Billy 2 67

    This guys teaching our kids, great!

    October 30, 2012 at 8:40 pm |
    • niknak

      No, he is not teaching our kids.
      He is teaching creepy fundie kids at some creepy fundie school out in the middle of nowhere.
      Most of those kids will realize it is all creepy bull, and move away as soon as they can.
      That is why the rural areas of our country are thinning out. The kids who have any sense get the heck out as fast as they can. Leaving only the creepy uneducated hillbilly trash behind.
      Those types can't die off fast enough.

      October 31, 2012 at 11:08 am |
  5. Dawkins is my homeboy

    Worship Satan, he rules.

    October 30, 2012 at 5:45 pm |
  6. Bootyfunk

    god doesn't exist. christians, you are wasting your life and your time. get up off your knees. go outside. put those hands to use helping others. leave the cult. think for yourself.

    October 30, 2012 at 4:45 pm |
    • truth be told

      If you are the poster child for thinking for yourself you lose. All of what you say is wrong and probably all of what you do. You are the best argument for divinity that there could possibly be. Glad you are on the other side.

      October 30, 2012 at 4:51 pm |
    • What?

      Bootyfunk, do you honestly believe that you think for yourself? Seems to me, all you atheists repeat the same mantra for every post, over and over again? Why? Boring is one factor, also, you are programmed to be the jerk(s) you are, being antisocial is your prime motivation why you do what you do.

      October 30, 2012 at 4:58 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Hate to burst your bubble, trolls, but Booty and i disagree on a number of points, yet we both have a lack of belief in a god.

      Did you think you had a point? The two of you don't have two brain cells to rub together between you.

      October 30, 2012 at 5:02 pm |
    • truth be turd

      Bootyfunk, I'm sorry for getting on your case. I'm cramping and my weekly scheduled case of Depends undergarments hasn't arrived from Amazon yet. So I'm pooping and bleeding all over the place. I'm cranky.

      October 30, 2012 at 7:50 pm |
    • Ordinary Average American

      Everyone worships someone or something.
      No one is neutral.

      October 30, 2012 at 11:57 pm |
    • Which God?

      Ordinary Average American
      Everyone worships someone or something.
      No one is neutral.

      What an extraordinarly moronic thing to say. Stupidity, at its best, is here displayed by OAA.

      November 1, 2012 at 1:26 pm |
    • larch boggett

      Maybe God doesn't exist. But many Christians spend their lives in service to others, regardless of the belief system of the recipients of that help. If we are an evolutionary accident, then life has no meaning really except what we give it. If worshiping a giant purple onion in the sky make me treat my fellow man better, who the hell are you to tell me I'm bad for it? Go blow your brains out in an existential funk....and leave people to wallpaper their souls with whatever camoflage they choose.

      November 2, 2012 at 1:00 am |
  7. Ericka

    See video about Pimps in the Church. Many are called but few are chosen. Many want others to follow them while they have nowhere to lead their new found followers to..Share it....http://www.godtube.com/watch/?v=91C191NU

    October 30, 2012 at 2:52 pm |
  8. Eliminate hinduism, religions corruption of truth absolute by hindu's lairs, for peace, Islam among humanity.

    Praise, Ellah, Ellohim, Allah, Truth absolute, sustain er of the world, There is no other la.truth but LA, truth absolute, LORD AND GOD OF THE WORLD, and Spirit of truth is "HIS" messenger.
    To learn cause of mayhem among humaity, please visit limitisthetruth.com

    October 30, 2012 at 2:26 pm |
    • Sam Yaza

      the world is sovereign she need no Lord, freedom for all life even the earth her self. destroy the chains of slavery, Death to the tyrant God Yahweh/Allah/Jehovah. freedom for all beings in all worlds.

      ps
      Elohim just means "most high god", its a t!tl3 not a name for instants my Elohim is Amaterasu she is my sustainer.

      October 30, 2012 at 3:13 pm |
    • What?

      Same Yaza, death is what you follow. Death is another name for Satan.

      October 30, 2012 at 4:59 pm |
  9. Ms. M

    As a Christian who happen to be an American, I do not believe that a persons religion should matter because after all, America was founded so that we can have freedoms. However, I must say that four years ago, President Obama was hit very hard because people kept bringing up (and still do) that he is Muslim. Even after he has said time and time again that he is a Christian. Right wing Christians are letting Mitt get a pass with his religion because they do not want President Obama in office. They are all hypocrites!! They did not want to bring up religion because Mormons believe that Christ was a prophet NOT our Savior. Smith did not believe in the bible, so he wrote the Book of Mormon. The bible is sufficient enough in my opinion, God does not need help.

    October 30, 2012 at 2:19 pm |
    • Mark

      That's why Christians keep making excuses for it.

      October 30, 2012 at 2:23 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      The bible sufficiently contradicts itself enough to be absurd and is at its foundation an immoral proposition.

      October 30, 2012 at 2:27 pm |
    • What?

      Blessed are the Cheesemakers, the bible doesn't contradict itself, but, man does.

      October 30, 2012 at 5:00 pm |
    • End Religion

      In case anyone wasn't aware, it should be transparently obvious now that a Republican's racism is stronger than his faith.

      October 30, 2012 at 7:59 pm |
    • Ordinary Average American

      Religion is not a major issue in this election.
      The economy and foreign policy are the issues.

      October 30, 2012 at 11:59 pm |
  10. Mormonism is Dangerous

    I might not say anything about this if I didn't think that both Mitt and Paul were not going to bring their religion into their public service for the U.S.'s highest office. That's a pretty frightening prospect, especially considering how unfounded and bizarre Mormonism is. Paul Ryan has even stated that he doesn't think he can separate his religion from his public service.

    In 1996, the Smithsonian Institute issued a statement addressing claims made in the Book of Mormon, stating that the text is primarily a religious text and that archeologists affiliated with the institute found "no direct connection between the archeology of the New World and the subject matter of the book". The statement further describes that there is genetic evidence that the Native American Indians are closely related to peoples of Asia, and that archeological evidence indicates that the Native Americans migrated from Asia over a land bridge over the Bering Strait in prehistoric times. The statement said that there was no credible evidence of contact between Ancient Egyptian or Hebrew peoples and the New World, as indicated by the text of the Book of Mormon. The statement was issued in response to reports that the name of the Smithsonian Institute was being improperly used to lend credibility to the claims of those looking to support the events of the Book of Mormon.

    The National Geographic Society, in a 1988 letter to the Institute for Religious Research, stated "Archaeologists and other scholars have long probed the hemisphere's past and the society does not know of anything found so far that has substantiated the Book of Mormon."

    Of course there are other basic beliefs of Mormonism that have only faith as their foundation.

    October 30, 2012 at 1:33 pm |
    • Primewonk

      So Mormons are wacky and believe some weird shit? Cool. I agree.

      But what about – the earth proofing into existence 6,000 years ago? The earth, liquid water, and plants, all being here before the sun? A woman made from the rib of a man? All humans descending from 1 breeding pair. 30 feet of rain an hour, for 40 days? A man living in the belly of a fish for 3 days? Talking snakes and donkeys? Spotted cows coming from cattle breeding in front of stripped sticks?

      And yet, it's the Mormons you find irrational.

      October 30, 2012 at 1:58 pm |
    • What?

      Just as you atheists deny the bible, Christians deny the traditions of man.

      October 30, 2012 at 5:01 pm |
    • End Religion

      "Just as you atheists deny the bible, Christians deny the traditions of man."

      The bible is a demonstrable fiction. Chrisitans will deny anything, fact or fiction, if it conflicts with their delusion.

      October 30, 2012 at 8:39 pm |
  11. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things .

    October 30, 2012 at 1:31 pm |
    • TrollAlert

      "Ronald Regonzo" who degenerates to:
      "Salvatore" degenerates to:
      "Douglas" degenerates to:
      "cristopher hitchens" degenerates to:
      "truth be told" degenerates to:
      "Thinker23" degenerates to:
      "Atheism is not healthy ..." degenerates to:
      "another repentant sinner" degenerates to:
      "Dodney Rangerfield" degenerates to:
      "tina" degenerates to:
      "captain america" degenerates to:
      "Atheist Hunter" degenerates to:
      "Anybody know how to read? " degenerates to:
      "just sayin" degenerates to:
      "ImLook'nUp" degenerates to:
      "Kindness" degenerates to:
      "Chad" degenerates to
      "Bob" degenerates to
      "nope" degenerates to:
      "2357" degenerates to:
      "WOW" degenerates to:
      "fred" degenerates to:
      "!" degenerates to:
      "pervert alert"

      This troll is not a christian. .

      October 30, 2012 at 2:27 pm |
    • Jesus

      Prayer does not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs.`

      October 30, 2012 at 2:32 pm |
  12. HELLO AND WELCOME TO THE "PRAYER WORKS" TEST!

    It's time to put that "prayer works" thing to the test! Here's how it works:

    Since religious people are heavily Republican, we shall allow the "prayer" side to pray for a victory for Romney and control of the Senate going to the GOP. So you Christian Republicans, pray and pray hard for Mitt and the GOP to take the Senate. Pray against Obama and liberals if you prefer spite-prayers. And don't forget to vote.

    For the liberal side, do nothing but vote. Do not pray for or against anything. Just sit back and be secular.

    And a week from now, we will have our results.

    Remember, for all the attention that politics gets from religious people, God's hand should be at work, so get those prayers going and move that hand. God needs you to tell him what to do, so get busy!

    Will prayer work? Let's let the results speak for themselves!

    October 30, 2012 at 12:27 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      God personally told 4 Republicans he called them to be president, they all are out of the race.

      October 30, 2012 at 1:07 pm |
    • Okey Dokey

      God just isn't any good at this politics stuff.

      October 30, 2012 at 1:28 pm |
    • just sayin

      It is written you shall not put the Lord your God to the test. God bless

      October 30, 2012 at 1:33 pm |
    • just sayin

      It is written you shall not put the Lord your God to the test. God bless

      October 30, 2012 at 1:33 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      Of course god would not want to be tested since he would fail miserably.

      October 30, 2012 at 1:42 pm |
    • Sam Yaza

      we already did this test

      the Patriots kicked the Broncos @ss

      oh sorry i for got the Patriots had us at their side

      http://larrybrownsports.com/football/salem-witches-pray-tom-brady-patriots-beat-tim-tebow/110505

      October 30, 2012 at 3:15 pm |
    • End Religion

      it was written that jesus was coming back in the same generation of the writer. Apparently, the bible isn't so trustworthy when it comes to facts.

      October 30, 2012 at 8:06 pm |
  13. Rummy Pirate Times-Dispatch (In Greed We Trust)

    Marc Wolpow, a former Bain partner who worked with Romney on many deals, said the discussion at buyout companies typically does not focus on whether jobs will be created. “It’s the opposite—what jobs we can cut,” Wolpow said. “Because you had to document how you were going to create value. Eliminating redundancy, or the elimination of people, is a very valid way."

    October 30, 2012 at 12:00 pm |
  14. Rummy Pirate Times-Dispatch (In Greed We Trust)

    For 15 years, Romney had been in the business of creative destruction and wealth creation. But what about his claims of job creation? Though Bain Capital surely helped expand some companies that had created jobs, the layoffs and closures at other firms would lead Romney’s political opponents to say that he had amassed a fortune in part by putting people out of work. The lucrative deals that made Romney wealthy could exact a cost. Maximizing financial return to investors could mean slashing jobs, closing plants, and moving production overseas. It could also mean clashing with union workers, serving on the board of a company that ran afoul of federal laws, and loading up already struggling companies with debt.

    October 30, 2012 at 12:00 pm |
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