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Anti-Obama mail piece: ‘We are no longer a Christian nation’
October 31st, 2012
07:12 AM ET

Anti-Obama mail piece: ‘We are no longer a Christian nation’

By Peter Hamby, CNN Political Reporter

Des Moines, Iowa (CNN) – Focus on the Family, the Colorado-based social conservative organization founded by evangelical author and radio host James Dobson, is targeting Iowa voters with a mailing that quotes President Obama as saying “we are no longer a Christian nation.”

The fold-out brochure, which landed in Iowa mailboxes last week and was provided to CNN by a Des Moines-area voter, draws a series of contrasts between Obama and Mitt Romney on the issues of abortion, same-sex marriage and insurance coverage for contraception.

See the mailer here and here.

FULL STORY
- A. Hawkins

Filed under: 2012 Election • Barack Obama • Politics

soundoff (394 Responses)
  1. Reality

    Only for the new members:

    "We are no longer a Christian nation."

    BRAVO !!!

    And the reasons why:

    Recognizing the flaws, follies and frauds in the foundations of Islam, Judaism and Christianity, the "bowers", kneelers" and "pew peasants" are converging these religions into some simple rules of life. No koran, bible, clerics, nuns, monks, imams, evangelicals, ayatollahs, rabbis, professors of religion or priests needed or desired.

    Ditto for houses of "worthless worship" aka mosques, churches, basilicas, cathedrals, temples and synagogues.

    October 31, 2012 at 4:52 pm |
  2. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things.

    October 31, 2012 at 4:51 pm |
    • truth be told

      leo said it is true because it is true not top make it true.
      Hawaii you are the poster child for irrelevance, don't you get weary being wrong ALL the time.

      October 31, 2012 at 4:58 pm |
    • TrollAlert

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      October 31, 2012 at 5:34 pm |
    • Jesus

      Prayer does not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs

      October 31, 2012 at 5:35 pm |
  3. lathebiosas

    The only thing wrong with Obama's statement is that this never was a "Christian Nation". It is a nation founded on freedom of and from religion. Google Treaty of Tripoli Article 11 and see where our founding fathers heads were at.

    October 31, 2012 at 4:19 pm |
    • Leo

      You are correct, but it was founded on Christian and biblical principles as well as established by men with Christian and Theistic beliefs.

      October 31, 2012 at 4:40 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Leo

      Yup just keep repeating that lie and maybe it'll make it true.

      October 31, 2012 at 4:47 pm |
    • truth be told

      That "peace" treaty had nothing to do with Truth and everything to do with pacifying muslim nations half a world away.

      October 31, 2012 at 4:52 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @tbt

      I wonder when you'll realize that you've trolled your way into irrelevancy already.

      October 31, 2012 at 4:55 pm |
    • truth be told

      Reply on thread above.

      October 31, 2012 at 4:59 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @tbt

      Evidence of it being true? Oh wait that doesn't exist. Then again, you're never one to let facts get in the way of your ideology are you? Considering all your posts consist of is "Nuh uh you're wrong nyah nyah because I said it it's true", I don't think you're in any position to claim irrelevancy of anyone else.

      October 31, 2012 at 5:01 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @tbt

      What done already?

      October 31, 2012 at 5:40 pm |
    • truth be told

      Of the original founding fathers the overwhelming majority were men of faith. The fringe, the crazies have always been there but then as now much less than 1% of the total population. America was founded by Christians for Christians. One nation under God since 1776.

      October 31, 2012 at 5:45 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      Ok now I know you're a complete Poe. The fact that you think the motto has been "One Nation Under God" since 1776 shows that either you are completely stupid, or just a poe.

      October 31, 2012 at 5:48 pm |
    • mama k

      Christians would like to claim they "own" the principles of freedom upon which the country was founded, but they make no more claim of ownership to that than any other attribute of what is is to be human.

      And regarding Christianity and the founding, Leo and "truth be told" need to learn some basics about the founding of the U.S. governement. It is true that the founders were Christian. But they were also very much into Deism which was very popular then. More importantly, the key founders, like Madison who was the chief architect of the Constitution, were furious and sick over fighting amongst Christians in his home state, including members of his own religion. He and Thomas Jefferson were fierce promoters of the separation of church and state, and it is reflected in the law that we still adhere to today. So the Tripoli treaty is one thing, but more importantly, if you read about the thoughts of the key founders around the time the Const</bItution was being ratified, the picture is clear – they were very concerned about religion getting involved in government affairs.

      During his presidency, James Madison vetoed two bills that he believed would violate the separation of church and state. He also came to oppose the long-established practice of employing chaplains at public expense in the House of Representatives and Senate on the grounds that it violated the separation of church and state and the principles of religious freedom**. Starting from their anger over feuding Christian sects in their home state, until the end of their lives, James Madison and Thomas Jefferson were fervent promoters of the separation of church and state.

      ** Library of Congress – James Madison Papers – Detached memorandum, ca. 1823.

      October 31, 2012 at 5:49 pm |
    • mama k

      (cleaner post)

      Christians would like to claim they "own" the principles of freedom upon which the country was founded, but they make no more claim of ownership to that than any other attribute of what is is to be human.

      And regarding Christianity and the founding, Leo and "truth be told" need to learn some basics about the founding of the U.S. government. It is true that the founders were Christian. But they were also very much into Deism which was very popular then. More importantly, the key founders, like Madison who was the chief architect of the Constitution, were furious and sick over fighting amongst Christians in his home state, including members of his own religion. He and Thomas Jefferson were fierce promoters of the separation of church and state, and it is reflected in the law that we still adhere to today. So the Tripoli treaty is one thing, but more importantly, if you read about the thoughts of the key founders around the time the ConstItution was being ratified, the picture is clear – they were very concerned about religion getting involved in government affairs.

      During his presidency, James Madison vetoed two bills that he believed would violate the separation of church and state. He also came to oppose the long-established practice of employing chaplains at public expense in the House of Representatives and Senate on the grounds that it violated the separation of church and state and the principles of religious freedom**. Starting from their anger over feuding Christian sects in their home state, until the end of their lives, James Madison and Thomas Jefferson were fervent promoters of the separation of church and state.

      ** Library of Congress – James Madison Papers – Detached memorandum, ca. 1823.

      October 31, 2012 at 5:51 pm |
  4. art

    Never heard of him!!

    October 31, 2012 at 3:42 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      I doubt that. Your arguments are classic Ray Comfort. Also, learn to use the reply function.

      October 31, 2012 at 4:37 pm |
  5. art

    Nicnak Here are the facts..Who make your heart beat while you are asleep..who create the body that you live in? who laid the foundations of the earth? Did you or any man make the mountains or the oceans or the sun or the stars??? Can you or any man make it snow or rain or bring frost or freeze. Think about it.

    October 31, 2012 at 3:38 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      LOL Oh man this is just too funny. I swear you just copy what Ray Comfort says don't you? The most moronic apologetics ever. Very entertaining though.

      October 31, 2012 at 3:39 pm |
    • sam stone

      art: how do you make the logical leap from a creator to a god?

      October 31, 2012 at 3:57 pm |
    • niknak

      Wow, you are even dumb for a fundie. And that is saying something.
      I bring things to freeze every day in my freezer.
      The mountains formed when the plates they ride on ran into other plates.
      Why is science so scary and unknown by you fundies?
      Must be all that home schooling.

      October 31, 2012 at 5:11 pm |
  6. art

    Just a quick question for those who don't believe in God..Have you ever been wrong about anything in you Life?? What if you are wrong about this.. Are you willing to face the consequences? And just because you don't believe do that make God not real??? You better check yourself before you wreck yourself.

    October 31, 2012 at 3:22 pm |
    • niknak

      How much more clear to we have to make this for you Artfull dodger.
      We don't believe because there is not PROOF of god(s).
      Until there is, we will happily go without the fairy tale that seems to so entrall you and the other cults in the world.
      Yes, we have been wrong. And we freely admit that.
      Because our error was based on facts proving us wrong.
      My question to you Art, on what facts do you base your belief to be right?

      October 31, 2012 at 3:29 pm |
    • sam stone

      art: your argument is weak.

      there are many gods you reject.

      you better think about it before you reject them

      October 31, 2012 at 3:59 pm |
    • sam stone

      art: and because you believe does not make it real

      October 31, 2012 at 4:00 pm |
    • nojinx

      There are an infinite number of gods that I could be wrong about. It is illogical to think any of them exist without evidence.

      How do you know you have chosen the correct god or gods?

      October 31, 2012 at 4:01 pm |
    • niknak

      Before I wreck myself?
      Don't believe to be a better person, or a better person to others.
      Just believe so I can curry favor with some god so I can be admitted to the after party.
      Is that really the only reason you believe in god Art? Out of fear of not "wrecking yourself."
      That is pretty weak, even for a fundie.

      October 31, 2012 at 5:03 pm |
    • Madtown

      Are you willing to face the consequences?
      ------
      What consequences?

      October 31, 2012 at 5:49 pm |
    • Merrell Barry O'Brian

      I believe in Jesus and I'm a gay man. The problem is not with Christianity. It's with Christians. There has always been a segment of this religious society who created the 600 year war with Muslims, the Spanish Inquisition, the Salem Witch trials, pre-civil war slavery, the oppression of races, interracial marriage and now, gays and lesbians are the "new black". It's so very sad that the love of God doesn't take hold in "christian's lives". They might actually become representatives of christ and then, evil would truly have something to fear. Jesus was against religion in politics, Judas was for it. Whom do you follow?

      November 27, 2012 at 3:46 pm |
  7. Bootyfunk

    "Whatever we once were, we are no longer a Christian nation – at least not just,” Obama said. “We are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation and a Buddhist nation and a Hindu nation and a nation of non-believers.”

    christians are among the most prejudice people in this country. basically, the president said we are all equal and the christians can't stand it. they don't want equal. they want to be above everyone and they'll cry and cry when they don't get preferential treatment. boohoohoo!

    October 31, 2012 at 2:39 pm |
    • midwest rail

      The primary talent of contemporary Christians is wrapping themselves in the mantle of victim-hood and crying persecution where none exists.

      October 31, 2012 at 2:42 pm |
    • Rainer Braendlein

      I favour religious freedom. It is only that we should not lump together all religions as if it would not matter what someone believes, main thing someone has any faith.

      Christianity is the supreme faith. It has the best historical foundations. Strictly speaking, yet Abel, Noah and Abraham were Christians because they became righteous through faith in the Redeemer.

      Christianity is the faith which is prescribed by the Lord, the eternal God who has made heaven and earth.

      October 31, 2012 at 2:54 pm |
    • Derpin Dots

      Let me see if I understand your position Rainer.
      Everyone is allowed to have their own belief. Only yours is right? Is that correct?

      October 31, 2012 at 3:24 pm |
    • Some questions for Rainer

      Since you brought up Noah, would you mind explaining some things about Noah's Ark for us?

      How did Noah build a 440' boat out of wood when ships over 300-350 fet were spectacularly unsuccessful, even with steel reinforcement? Wood is not strong enough for vessels that size, no matter how much you use.

      How did Noah go all around the world, to lands distant and unknown, collecting two of each of the 3,000,000 land species, and bring them back, with food and appropriate climate?

      How did Noan get 6,000,000 animals into a 1,500,000 cubic foot vessel? That is only a quarter cubic foot per animal and it's food and water.

      How did the 8 people on board feed and water and clean that many animals? Just to feed each species once a day (totally inadequate for some), each of the 8 people on board would have to feed 4 species a second, not stopping for rest or getting more food or anything, nonstop without break for seven months seventeen days.

      How did Noah get all the species back to their various continents and habitats all over the world? How did the animals survive, when the two surviving squiirels would have been eaten by the two surviving coyotes, who then starve. Indeed, they entire cargo of Noah's ark would starve except maybe the cockroackes.

      Since all humans descended from Noah, how did some become many forms of black and end up in Africa, and some become many forms of aborigines and end up in Australasia, and how did some become many forms of Asian and end up in Asia, and how did all those Native American variations get to an unknown continent in yet other forms?

      October 31, 2012 at 3:25 pm |
    • momluvssports

      TO: Rainer Braendlein: re your quote "yet Abel, Noah and Abraham were Christians because they became righteous through faith in the Redeemer".

      Do you realize how ignorant you really are? Abel, Noah and Abraham WERE NOT CHRISTIANS! They were Hebrews (JEWS) and were long gone before your Jesus arrived. (Who also, by the way, was born, lived and died a JEW!!!)

      October 31, 2012 at 3:36 pm |
    • A few questions for Rainer

      Hey Rainer! Are you running away?

      I wonder why Christians always flee my Noah questions. Topher ignored then fled them repeatedly, as did Robert, and now Rainer.

      Any other Christian want to take a crack at answering them?

      October 31, 2012 at 4:01 pm |
    • sam stone

      "Christianity is the supreme faith."

      Not to those who adhere to a different one

      October 31, 2012 at 4:02 pm |
    • sam stone

      derpin: you got to remember that rainy is god's spokesman....in his mind

      in real life, he is a german closet queen

      October 31, 2012 at 4:04 pm |
    • sam stone

      Of course Rainy is running away. He is, like most Christians on these blogs, a coward.

      October 31, 2012 at 4:07 pm |
    • Robert Brown

      Faith

      October 31, 2012 at 4:20 pm |
    • Giggling Lenny

      So how does faith answer those Noah's Ark questions for you, Robert? Are you saying God did magic?

      October 31, 2012 at 4:26 pm |
    • niknak

      To the Noah's Ark question.

      That is easy to answer, they did it with magic!
      Because when you have magic, anything is possible..........

      October 31, 2012 at 5:07 pm |
    • Maybe

      Leprechauns did it?

      October 31, 2012 at 6:09 pm |
  8. Chick-a-dee

    Interesting way this blog "moderates", n'est pas?

    October 31, 2012 at 2:29 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @Chick-a-dee,

      you mean the word filter? Or actual moderation?

      October 31, 2012 at 2:44 pm |
    • Nii

      GOP they moderate by cleaning the board when adverse comments are made by-passing the filter

      October 31, 2012 at 3:29 pm |
  9. Chick-a-dee

    sent. Amen.

    October 31, 2012 at 2:26 pm |
  10. Rainer Braendlein

    Who can preserve America? Allah or Jesus and his Father?

    I think a great sin of the Western leaders of today is the establishment of a so-called moderate Islam.

    This has some consequences:

    – the Muslims which know the Koran feel fooled because they know exactly that the moderate Islam of Obama and his disciples (Angela Merkel?) has nothing to do with the genuine Islam of Muhammad and the Koran

    – Westerners feel fooled because Western countries get overcrowded with Muslims, and this is hard to endure even for someone who loves someone independent from his religion. I myself am a Christian, but despite of that I love my Muslim neighbours; it is only that I wish to meet some Germans in Munich sometimes where I live and not only Turks and Arabs. Is Munich an Arab/Turkish town or a German town?, I ask myself sometimes.

    Of course, Mr. Obama and friends only want to establish a moderate Islam because of economical reasons. They don'T love the Muslim people but want to abuse them as economical slaves. There are such intensive economical connections between the Western World and the Islamic World that religious argument would cause some economical damage.

    Yet, for the sake of truth we should take the economical loss, and tell the Muslims the truth according to historical opinion.

    Muhammad hated Christianity. He degraded Jesus to a mere human being, even a preacher of Islam (Imam). Furthermore Muhammad daresays that the first Christians were former Muslims which have turned apostate from Jesus' religion (Islam in Muhammad's eyes). Muhammad considered Christianity as the reason for the corruption of the Western World, and saw it as his main task to lead people back to the Religion of Truth (Islam in his eyes). He also believed that Abraham, Moses, David, the 12 Apostles, etc. had teached the Islam.

    There is no greater sin for a Muslim than to say: "Jesus is God's Son or God himself!"

    Hence, Islam is the exact opposite of Christianity because Christian salvation depends on the faith in Jesus, God's only bigotten Son, a person of the Holy Trinity.

    Obama and his companions should stop to promote the Islam any longer, otherwise America will lose the preservation of the eternal God who has made heaven and earth, and who send Jesus, his only bigotten Son, to save us from our sins.

    I don't hate Muslims, it is only about the demonic doctrine of Muhammad. I wish every Muslim would find salvation in Jesus soon. No harm to Muslims!

    http://confessingchurch.wordpress.com

    October 31, 2012 at 2:24 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      you don't hate muslims? are you kidding? yes, you do. you are extremely prejudice, obviously from your own faith. christianity teaches bigotry.

      October 31, 2012 at 2:41 pm |
    • sam stone

      "I don't hate Muslims, it is only about the demonic doctrine of Muhammad"

      Sill dreaming of eternity on your knees in front of Jeebus, Rainy?

      October 31, 2012 at 4:09 pm |
    • Jill

      Rainer Braendlein, don't obfuscate the primary prenuptials with rasberries. Often, the pertinent cat presents fabled necessities in the parking chamfer. Realize your net precedent. Triangulate! Save the best for the alligators. Ever the bastille notches the orchestra but Wendy is not green and horses will capitulate. Filter out the log from the turnstile and cry prevalently. And stop spamming us with your website link already. Your blog sucks.

      So there brown stare. Feed your inner walnut and resolve. Subject your lemon to the ingenious door in the presence of snow and animals. Aisle 7 is for the monetary cheese whiz. Faced with the kitchen, you may wish to prolong the sailboat in the cliff. Otherwise, rabbits may descend on your left nostril. Think about how you can stripe the sea.

      Regale the storm to those who (6) would thump the parrot with the armband. Corner the market on vestiges of the apparent closure but seek not the evidential circumstance. Therein you can find indignant mountains of pigs and apples. Descend eloquently as you debate the ceiling of your warning fulcrum. Vacate the corncob profusely and and don’t dote on the pancreas.

      Next up, control your wood. Have at the cat with your watch on the fore. Aft! Smarties (12)! Rome wasn’t kevetched in an autumn nightie. (42) See yourself for the turntable on the escalator. Really peruse the garage spider definitely again again with brown. Now we have an apparent congestion, so be it here. Just a moment is not a pod of beef for the ink well nor can it be (4) said that Karen was there in the millpond.

      Garbage out just like the candle in the kitty so. Go, go, go until the vacuum meets the upward vacation. Sell the yellow. Then trim the bus before the ten cheese please Louise. Segregate from the koan and stew the ship vigorously.

      And remember, never pass up an opportunity to watch an elephant paint Mozart.

      October 31, 2012 at 4:11 pm |
  11. Chick-a-dee

    sent, even the Lord Jesus Christ, who is our Salvation, our Life and Resurre ction, by whom we have been saved and delivered, to whom be glory for endless ages. Amen.

    October 31, 2012 at 2:24 pm |
    • niknak

      Phuck god, and jeebus too.

      October 31, 2012 at 2:43 pm |
  12. Leo

    “For the Lord is our Judge, the Lord is our Lawgiver, the Lord is our King; he will save us” (Isaiah 33:22).
    —Acknowledged by James Madison as the inspiration for the 3 branches of our government, judicial, legislative, and executive

    “I . . . recommend my Soul to that Almighty Being who gave it, and my body I commit to the dust, relying upon the merits of Jesus Christ for a pardon of all my sins.”
    —From the will of Samuel Adams, Father of the American Revolution, Signer of the Declaration of Independence

    “The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity. I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God.”
    —John Adams, signer of the Declaration of Independence, judge; diplomat; one of two signers of the Bill of Rights; second president of the United States

    October 31, 2012 at 2:20 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Leo

      1) No source for that information
      2) Doesn't fucking matter

      October 31, 2012 at 2:22 pm |
    • midwest rail

      Leo – America was not designed as a Christian nation. Next.

      October 31, 2012 at 2:23 pm |
    • Leo

      I agree that the US was not designed or planned to be a Christian Nation, but many of the great and wise men were Christian or Theist.

      “A moral Ruler of the universe, the Governor and Controller of all human power, is the only unlimited sovereign acknowledged by the Declaration of Independence; and it claims for the United States of America, when assuming their equal station among the nations of the earth, only the power to do all that may be done of right.”
      —From an oration by John Quincy Adams, President of the United States and son of John Adams, on July 4, 1837

      October 31, 2012 at 2:33 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Leo

      So what?

      October 31, 2012 at 3:06 pm |
    • ME II

      @Leo,
      "Acknowledged by James Madison as the inspiration for the 3 branches of our government, judicial, legislative, and executive"
      Just out of curiosity, what is the source for this claim?

      October 31, 2012 at 3:17 pm |
    • lathebiosas

      Leo, you need to google the Treaty of Tripoli Article 11 and see what else John Adams signed in 1797 along with unanimous approval from Corngress. Pay speicla attention to the first sentence: "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has no emnity....".

      October 31, 2012 at 4:26 pm |
    • Leo

      Const-itutional Convention of 1787

      pp.241-242 in Teaching and Learning America’s Christian History: The Principle approach by Rosalie Slater

      October 31, 2012 at 4:27 pm |
    • Leo

      lathebiosas What part of "I agree that the US was not designed or planned to be a Christian Nation" did you not understand?

      October 31, 2012 at 4:30 pm |
    • ME II

      @Leo,
      I'm not a(n) historian but I'm not finding a reference to "Isaiah" or the phrases "LORD is our judge", "the LORD is our lawgiver", or "the LORD is our king" in the Consti.tuion Convention docu.ments. (ref: http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/collections/continental/bdsbibquery.html)

      Furthermore, I think, Madison himself attributed the inspiration to Montesquieu, not Isaiah.

      "In order to form correct ideas on this important subject, it will be proper to investigate the sense in which the preservation of liberty requires that the three great departments of power should be separate and distinct.

      The oracle who is always consulted and cited on this subject is the celebrated Montesquieu. If he be not the author of this invaluable precept in the science of politics, he has the merit at least of displaying and recommending it most effectually to the attention of mankind. Let us endeavor, in the first place, to ascertain his meaning on this point."
      (http://www.constiREMOVEtution.org/fed/federa47.htm)

      October 31, 2012 at 5:32 pm |
    • truth be told

      Speak a Truth leo and listen to the pigs squeal, speak two and they go ape sh it.

      October 31, 2012 at 5:37 pm |
  13. Chick-a-dee

    sent, even the Lord Jesus Christ, who is our Salvation, our Life & Resurrection, by whom we have been saved & delivered, to whom be glory for endless ages. Amen.

    October 31, 2012 at 2:19 pm |
  14. Rainer Braendlein

    I think a great sin of the Western leaders of today is the establishment of a so-called moderate Islam.

    This has some consequences:

    – the Muslims which know the Koran feel fooled because they know exactly that the moderate Islam of Obama and his disciples (Angela Merkel?) has nothing to do with the genuine Islam of Muhammad and the Koran

    – Westerners feel fooled because Western countries get overcrowded with Muslims, and this is hard to endure even for someone who loves someone independent from his religion. I myself am a Christian, but despite of that I love my Muslim neighbours; it is only that I wish to meet some Germans in Munich sometimes where I live and not only Turks and Arabs. Is Munich an Arab/Turkish town or a German town?, I ask myself sometimes.

    Of course, Mr. Obama and friends only want to establish a moderate Islam because of economical reasons. They don'T love the Muslim people but want to abuse them as economical slaves. There are such intensive economical connections between the Western World and the Islamic World that religious argument would cause some economical damage.

    Yet, for the sake of truth we should take the economical loss, and tell the Muslims the truth according to historical opinion.

    Muhammad hated Christianity. He degraded Jesus to a mere human being, even a preacher of Islam (Imam). Furthermore Muhammad daresays that the first Christians were former Muslims which have turned apostate from Jesus' religion (Islam in Muhammad's eyes). Muhammad considered Christianity as the reason for the corruption of the Western World, and saw it as his main task to lead people back to the Religion of Truth (Islam in his eyes). He also believed that Abraham, Moses, David, the 12 Apostles, etc. had teached the Islam.

    There is no greater sin for a Muslim than to say: "Jesus is God's Son or God himself!"

    Hence, Islam is the exact opposite of Christianity because Christian salvation depends on the faith in Jesus, God's only bigotten Son, a person of the Holy Trinity.

    Obama and his companions should stop to promote the Islam any longer, otherwise America will lose the preservation of the eternal God who has made heaven and earth, and who send Jesus, his only bigotten Son, to save us from our sins.

    I don't hate Muslims, it is only about the demonic doctrine of Muhammad. I wish every Muslim would find salvation in Jesus soon. No harm to Muslims!

    http://confessingchurch.wordpress.com

    October 31, 2012 at 2:19 pm |
    • sam stone

      Gee, Rainy, sure got that Islam thing jammed far up your behind, don't you?

      Seems you like things up there

      October 31, 2012 at 4:11 pm |
    • Jill

      Rainer, don't obfuscate the primary prenuptials with rasberries. Often, the pertinent cat presents fabled necessities in the parking chamfer. Realize your net precedent. Triangulate! Save the best for the alligators. Ever the bastille notches the orchestra but Wendy is not green and horses will capitulate. Filter out the log from the turnstile and cry prevalently.

      So there brown stare. Feed your inner walnut and resolve. Subject your lemon to the ingenious door in the presence of snow and animals. Aisle 7 is for the monetary cheese whiz. Faced with the kitchen, you may wish to prolong the sailboat in the cliff. Otherwise, rabbits may descend on your left nostril. Think about how you can stripe the sea.

      Regale the storm to those who (6) would thump the parrot with the armband. Corner the market on vestiges of the apparent closure but seek not the evidential circumstance. Therein you can find indignant mountains of pigs and apples. Descend eloquently as you debate the ceiling of your warning fulcrum. Vacate the corncob profusely and and don’t dote on the pancreas.

      Next up, control your wood. Have at the cat with your watch on the fore. Aft! Smarties (12)! Rome wasn’t kevetched in an autumn nightie. (42) See yourself for the turntable on the escalator. Really peruse the garage spider definitely again again with brown. Now we have an apparent congestion, so be it here. Just a moment is not a pod of beef for the ink well nor can it be (4) said that Karen was there in the millpond.

      Garbage out just like the candle in the kitty so. Go, go, go until the vacuum meets the upward vacation. Sell the yellow. Then trim the bus before the ten cheese please Louise. Segregate from the koan and stew the ship vigorously.

      And remember, never pass up an opportunity to watch an elephant paint Mozart.

      October 31, 2012 at 4:12 pm |
  15. Chick-a-dee

    O God, the everlasting Creator of all things, remember that the souls of unbelievers were made by You & formed in Your own image & likeness.Remember that Jesus,your Son,endured a most bitter death for their salvation.Permit not,I beseech You,O Lord,that Your Son should be any longer despised by unbelievers,but graciously accept the prayers of holy men & the Church,the spouse of Your most holy Son & be mindful your mercy.Forget their idolatry & unbelief & grant that they too may someday know Him You have

    October 31, 2012 at 2:15 pm |
  16. Atheist Hunter

    Mike........... If the blind lead the blind they all fall in the ditch. I've been in the ditch then I found Jesus!

    October 31, 2012 at 2:09 pm |
    • midwest rail

      That's wonderful for you. Why can't you leave it at that and leave other people alone ?

      October 31, 2012 at 2:12 pm |
    • Atheist Hunter

      I didn't know I was messing with anyone. I'm just playing by atheist rules. Voice your opinion like it or not! Did the rules change now?

      October 31, 2012 at 2:15 pm |
    • midwest rail

      Nice disingenuous response.

      October 31, 2012 at 2:15 pm |
  17. Looks like God is going to lose the election

    The good news is that Dobson's mail-a-lie will have absolutely no impact. The people who would be swayed by a religious argument have already decided. Either they already bought into the "Obama is the antiChrist" lie, or they are too filled with hate towards a Mormon to vote for Romney.

    There is not much undecided on the Religious Right. This is a misfire from a dingbat.

    October 31, 2012 at 1:51 pm |
    • Obama and US as a Muslim Country

      [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHgXK_6fWLQ&w=640&h=360]

      October 31, 2012 at 2:08 pm |
  18. Bruno

    We are a freedom of religion country. That means whether you are christian, morman, catholic, muslim or whatever, you have the right to practice openly without being killed, beaten or thrown in jail. Thank God.

    October 31, 2012 at 1:41 pm |
    • Athy

      Don't thank god, he had nothing to do with it. Thank the wise founding fathers of our secular government.

      October 31, 2012 at 1:44 pm |
    • Bruno

      Athy, I stand corrected!!!!!

      October 31, 2012 at 1:46 pm |
    • Leo

      Most of the founding fathers were Theist's and believed in God as the Creator. Thus,

      We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

      October 31, 2012 at 2:01 pm |
    • Schtackel

      Leo, the Declaration is not one of the guiding documents of this country. It was just an announcement, and it has no force of law. When the Founding Fathers actually got around to creating the defining documents, God is intentionally absent aside from instructions that religions can do their thing, but they can't be a part of the government.

      October 31, 2012 at 2:54 pm |
  19. Dawkins is my homeboy

    worship Satan!

    October 31, 2012 at 1:37 pm |
    • Atheist Hunter

      You have at it! I've seen how that turns out. It ain't pretty!

      October 31, 2012 at 1:42 pm |
  20. Skippy Peanutbutter

    As usual, the Christians resort to lies and slander.

    Nice morality.

    October 31, 2012 at 1:09 pm |
    • Atheist Hunter

      Your president said it. Hello!

      October 31, 2012 at 1:43 pm |
    • Skippy Peanutbutter

      You are truly a moron. The lie is that America is a Christian nation – it never was, by design.

      I notice you tell many a lie yourself, buddy.

      October 31, 2012 at 1:45 pm |
    • Atheist Hunter

      Skippy Peanutbutter...............choose Jiff!

      October 31, 2012 at 2:13 pm |
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