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Anti-Obama mail piece: ‘We are no longer a Christian nation’
October 31st, 2012
07:12 AM ET

Anti-Obama mail piece: ‘We are no longer a Christian nation’

By Peter Hamby, CNN Political Reporter

Des Moines, Iowa (CNN) – Focus on the Family, the Colorado-based social conservative organization founded by evangelical author and radio host James Dobson, is targeting Iowa voters with a mailing that quotes President Obama as saying “we are no longer a Christian nation.”

The fold-out brochure, which landed in Iowa mailboxes last week and was provided to CNN by a Des Moines-area voter, draws a series of contrasts between Obama and Mitt Romney on the issues of abortion, same-sex marriage and insurance coverage for contraception.

See the mailer here and here.

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- A. Hawkins

Filed under: 2012 Election • Barack Obama • Politics

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  1. Cq

    My favourite response to this is that America is as much a "Christian" nation as a Dalmatian is a "white" dog. If anything, it's the "spots" of difference that give us our character, and actually make us special. 🙂

    November 1, 2012 at 10:19 am |
    • Huebert

      I like that.

      November 1, 2012 at 10:22 am |
  2. Ben

    Mormons aren't Christians either. They believe that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are three separate gods. They are polytheists who do not believe in the Trinity of one God. They believe that the Father, God, is just an exalted man and has a physical body. They do not believe that the Bible is inerrant, or that salvation comes trough faith alone.

    These are not just "minor" differences, Mormonism is a separate religion to Christianity.

    November 1, 2012 at 10:13 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @Ben
      There are thousands of denominations of Christianity and not all of them are Trinitarian.
      Even Catholics don't consider the Bible inerrant.

      November 1, 2012 at 10:18 am |
    • Ben

      @Doc
      But which Christians actually believe in multiple gods, a God the Father that was one a man, or the ability of today's believers to also be elevated to godhood? Which Christians have additional, separate scripture like the Book of Mormon?

      November 1, 2012 at 10:23 am |
    • Chick-a-dee

      @ Doc Vestibule:

      Correction: Catholics do believe that holy scripture is divinely inspired and therefore inerrant. We don't believe in a literal interpretation of every passage. The books are to be read within the historical context of the writing as well as within the literary style used in the period and for the particular work.

      November 1, 2012 at 11:10 pm |
  3. togirl

    you haven't been a Christian nation in a long time. You just fiigured this out?? Obama says he's Christian, and I can't imagine why what or how he practises his faith is any of my business. Romney's a Mormon, and while I don't understand the faith I really don't care what his relligion is. I care more about the quality of the person running, and I'm no fan of his on the basis of his actions. I would never vote for him.

    November 1, 2012 at 8:56 am |
  4. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer really changes things

    November 1, 2012 at 7:32 am |
    • Andy

      Two hands working does more than thousands clasped in prayer.

      November 1, 2012 at 7:52 am |
    • TrollAlert

      "Ronald Regonzo" who degenerates to:
      "Salvatore" degenerates to:
      "Douglas" degenerates to:
      "truth be told" degenerates to:
      "Thinker23" degenerates to:
      "Atheism is not healthy ..." degenerates to:
      "another repentant sinner" degenerates to:
      "Dodney Rangerfield" degenerates to:
      "tina" degenerates to:
      "captain america" degenerates to:
      "Atheist Hunter" degenerates to:
      "Anybody know how to read? " degenerates to:
      "just sayin" degenerates to:
      "ImLook'nUp" degenerates to:
      "Kindness" degenerates to:
      "Chad" degenerates to
      "Bob" degenerates to
      "nope" degenerates to:
      "2357" degenerates to:
      "WOW" degenerates to:
      "fred" degenerates to:
      "!" degenerates to:
      "pervert alert"

      This troll is not a christian;

      November 1, 2012 at 10:25 am |
    • Jesus

      Prayer does not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs.

      November 1, 2012 at 10:30 am |
  5. Hypatia

    We never were.

    November 1, 2012 at 12:18 am |
  6. dock your dong with dudes

    Such bullsh•t. What lies the replitards will put out to further their racists, misogynistic agenda. Check out the list of horrible things Republicans have said at prolapsed.net.

    October 31, 2012 at 11:40 pm |
  7. thecollegeadmissionsguru

    WE are NOT now nor have we EVER been a Christian Nation... and Focus on the Family is full of fools.

    October 31, 2012 at 11:37 pm |
    • Val

      ...and bigots.

      November 1, 2012 at 11:14 am |
  8. Reality

    Only for the new members:

    "We are no longer a Christian nation."

    BRAVO !!!

    And the reasons why:

    Recognizing the flaws, follies and frauds in the foundations of Islam, Judaism and Christianity, the "bowers", kneelers" and "pew peasants" are converging these religions into some simple rules of life. No koran, bible, clerics, nuns, monks, imams, evangelicals, ayatollahs, rabbis, professors of religion or priests needed or desired.

    Ditto for houses of "worthless worship" aka mosques, churches, basilicas, cathedrals, temples and synagogues.
    ======+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    October 31, 2012 at 11:33 pm |
  9. G. Zeus Kreiszchte

    We NEVER WERE a Christian nation! Just read these:

    Thomas Jefferson

    "I have examined all the known superstitions of the world, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology."

    “Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned: yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth.”

    “Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus.”

    “To talk of immaterial existences is to talk of nothings. To say that the human soul, angels, god, are immaterial, is to say they are nothings, or that there is no god, no angels, no soul. I cannot reason otherwise…without plunging into the fathomless abyss of dreams and phantasms. I am satisfied, and sufficiently occupied with the things which are, without tormenting or troubling myself about those which may indeed be, but of which I have no evidence.”

    “Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear.”

    James Madison

    Religion and government will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together

    George Washington/John Adams

    “As the government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.”

    Treaty with Tripoli, drafted in 1796 under George Washington and signed by John Adams in 1797

    John Adams

    “This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it.”

    October 31, 2012 at 8:19 pm |
    • nope

      @gz...
      nope

      October 31, 2012 at 8:21 pm |
    • G. Zeus Kreiszchte

      nope WHAT? Have you not Googled and read these quotes for yourself, DOLT?! They are quite real.

      October 31, 2012 at 8:23 pm |
    • realbuckyball

      Nope is a very intelligent person ...

      October 31, 2012 at 9:27 pm |
    • snopes confirms

      nope is a dope

      October 31, 2012 at 9:29 pm |
    • nope

      @ realbuckyball
      nope

      October 31, 2012 at 9:34 pm |
  10. unnichan

    We were never a Christian nation. As a Christian I truly get tired of this misconception.

    October 31, 2012 at 8:16 pm |
  11. Eliminate hinduism, religions corruption of truth absolute by hindu's lairs, for peace, Islam among humanity.

    Do you want to come back to my place, bouncy bouncy?

    October 31, 2012 at 6:48 pm |
    • Innerspace is God's place while outerspace is for the human race.

      If I said you have a beautiful body, would you hold it against me?

      October 31, 2012 at 6:49 pm |
    • Eliminate hinduism, religions corruption of truth absolute by hindu's lairs, for peace, Islam among humanity.

      I am no longer infected.

      October 31, 2012 at 6:50 pm |
    • Innerspace is God's place while outerspace is for the human race.

      You have beautiful thighs

      October 31, 2012 at 6:51 pm |
    • Eliminate hinduism, religions corruption of truth absolute by hindu's lairs, for peace, Islam among humanity.

      Drop your panties, Sir William; I cannot wait until lunchtime!

      October 31, 2012 at 6:51 pm |
    • Innerspace is God's place while outerspace is for the human race.

      Please fondle my bum

      October 31, 2012 at 6:52 pm |
    • Eliminate hinduism, religions corruption of truth absolute by hindu's lairs, for peace, Islam among humanity.

      My nipples explode with delight!

      October 31, 2012 at 6:53 pm |
    • Yodelling Bob

      Apparently running Eliminate and Outerspace through the google Hungarian translator makes them make a lot more sense . . .

      October 31, 2012 at 7:03 pm |
    • Eliminate hinduism, religions corruption of truth absolute by hindu's lairs, for peace, Islam among humanity.

      hinduism, absurdity of a hindu, ignorant from hindered gutter of hinduism, illegality called india.

      October 31, 2012 at 7:07 pm |
    • bum

      Please noodle my fondle, or fondle my noodle.

      October 31, 2012 at 9:29 pm |
  12. KRHODES

    I can't wait until election day when this bozo is out on his ear.

    October 31, 2012 at 6:30 pm |
    • But here in the real world . . .

      We can't wait either . . . BWA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA!

      All polls show Obama has a winning lead in the only place that matters: the Electoral College. All polls show the Senate staying Demo.

      Get ready for some major defeat next week!

      October 31, 2012 at 6:41 pm |
    • Romnesia

      Most people would agree that Mourdock should not be relected.

      October 31, 2012 at 6:45 pm |
    • Mittology

      Haven't you posted that before? No new material?

      October 31, 2012 at 6:46 pm |
    • KRHODES

      "But here in the real world . . .

      We can't wait either . . . BWA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA!

      All polls show Obama has a winning lead in the only place that matters: the Electoral College. All polls show the Senate staying Demo.

      Get ready for some major defeat next week!"

      Maybe you need to look at some actual polls instead of msnbc or cnn polls...you might be suprised.

      October 31, 2012 at 6:55 pm |
    • KRHODES

      Mittology

      "Haven't you posted that before? No new material?"

      No...i don't think so.

      October 31, 2012 at 6:56 pm |
    • But here in the real world . . .

      Words mean nothing. See you here next Tuesday night. Prepare to be enraged!

      October 31, 2012 at 7:04 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @KRHODES

      And if the polls showing Mitt ahead and the ones showing Obama ahead were reversed in where they were (Mitt ones here and MSNBC, and Obama ones in other areas), you would be lauding how accurate the polls are here. You don't care where the polls are, just that they agree with what you think.

      October 31, 2012 at 7:08 pm |
  13. mama k

    America is certainly less Christian than it was during its founding.

    But was the U.S. ever founded on Christianity? NO. It never was! It was founded on freedom, and that is not an attribute that Christianity "owns".

    Certainly the key founders of the U.S. were mostly Christian, but they were also at the time, very much into Deism which was very popular then.

    More importantly, before and during the founding of the U.S., different Christian sects were feuding and persecuting each other in several states (or soon-to-be states). Anglicans were persecuting Baptists in Virginia; Quakers were being hung in Massachusetts, and more. Because this feuding between these sects annoyed the key founders so greatly, they made it a top priority to establish guidelines for the separation of church and state (and to make it Amendment #1 to our Constitution). This is also reflected in what they had to say on the matter:

    James Madison (our 4th President, was the chief architect of the U.S. Constitution):

    During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry, and persecution.

    (A Memorial and Remonstrance, addressed to the Virginia General Assembly, 1785)

    and then ten years later:

    Who does not see that the same authority which can establish Christianity, in exclusion of all other religions, may establish with the same ease any particular sect of Christians, in exclusion of all other sects?

    (A Memorial and Remonstrance, addressed to the General Assembly of the Commonwealth of VA, 1795)

    Thomas Jefferson (our 3rd President, was the key author of the Declaration of Independence)

    Because religious belief, or non-belief, is such an important part of every person's life, freedom of religion affects every individual. State churches that use government power to support themselves and force their views on persons of other faiths undermine all our civil rights. Moreover, state support of the church tends to make the clergy unresponsive to the people and leads to corruption within religion. Erecting the "wall of separation between church and state," therefore, is absolutely essential in a free society.

    (Letter (as POTUS) to the Virginia Baptists (1808))

    and then of course we have clarifying moments in history such as:

    President John Adams and the U.S. Senate on behalf of the U.S.

    As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion;

    (from Article 11 of the U.S. treaty ratified with Tripoli in 1797)

    Senator John F Kennedy said on Sept. 12, 1960, just prior to his winning the Presidential election:

    I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute.

    DID YOU KNOW?

    During his presidency, James Madison vetoed two bills that he believed would violate the separation of church and state. He also came to oppose the long-established practice of employing chaplains at public expense in the House of Representatives and Senate on the grounds that it violated the separation of church and state and the principles of religious freedom**. Starting from their anger over feuding Christian sects in their home state, until the end of their lives, James Madison and Thomas Jefferson were fervent promoters of the separation of church and state.

    Who was James Madison? He was the 4th President of the United States and the chief architect of the U.S. Constitution.

    ** Library of Congress – James Madison Papers – Detached memorandum, ca. 1823.

    October 31, 2012 at 6:04 pm |
    • KRHODES

      Didn't you post that comment on another thread recently...no new material?

      October 31, 2012 at 6:21 pm |
    • Salero21

      WOW!!

      Good research – mama -!! America as a "christian-nation" was the greatest Myth of the 20th century. There isn't and never was any historical precedence for such a notion/myth. There is not at all, not even a hint in all of Scriptures that could have given occasion for such myth to rise to level it did.

      To begin with the Official Name of this country is: THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. Since its very beginings this was and has been a Greco-roman culture and political enti-ty.

      A nation of adulterers and fornicators, thieves, liars, murderers since its inception is Not, NEVER WAS and NEVER WILL BE christian.

      October 31, 2012 at 6:37 pm |
    • Val

      ...and few of the prominent "Christians" amongst the Founding Fathers would pass muster as genuine Christians by conservative standards today. If they have trouble with Obama's form of Christianity, then they sure as shooting wouldn't recognize their faith.

      November 1, 2012 at 11:18 am |
  14. Eliminate hinduism, religions corruption of truth absolute by hindu's lairs, for peace, Islam among humanity.

    USA has never been a country of hindu Mithra ism, racist savior ism, called Christianity, but of truth absolute, GOD, foundation of American sonsti tution. hindu pagan Christian show their bigamy, infidelity to truth absolute GOD and consti tution of USA, hindu's, traitors. Visit limitisthetruth.com to learn roots of hinduism, racism, called Christianity.

    October 31, 2012 at 6:02 pm |
  15. Reasonably

    Happy Halloween, everybody!

    October 31, 2012 at 5:56 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      Happy Samhain to you too.

      October 31, 2012 at 6:00 pm |
  16. Snow

    more like the question is, when were we a christian nation? can they point to one place in the entire const.itution or any of the founding doc.uments that says this nation was destined to be a christian nation?

    Also, do they really hate the country that much that they can not follow the very first amendment? the VERY first one!!

    October 31, 2012 at 5:55 pm |
  17. Reasonably

    "We are no longer a Christian nation." Oh, thank god...

    October 31, 2012 at 5:48 pm |
    • Athy

      Well, I don't think we ever were.

      October 31, 2012 at 8:42 pm |
  18. Innerspace is God's place while outerspace is for the human race.

    1Cr 3:9 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, [ye are] God's building.

    Luk 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

    Dumb buildings are dimly lit structures!

    October 31, 2012 at 5:28 pm |
  19. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things .

    October 31, 2012 at 4:54 pm |
    • TrollAlert

      "Ronald Regonzo" who degenerates to:
      "Salvatore" degenerates to:
      "Douglas" degenerates to:
      "truth be told" degenerates to:
      "Thinker23" degenerates to:
      "Atheism is not healthy ..." degenerates to:
      "another repentant sinner" degenerates to:
      "Dodney Rangerfield" degenerates to:
      "tina" degenerates to:
      "captain america" degenerates to:
      "Atheist Hunter" degenerates to:
      "Anybody know how to read? " degenerates to:
      "just sayin" degenerates to:
      "ImLook'nUp" degenerates to:
      "Kindness" degenerates to:
      "Chad" degenerates to
      "Bob" degenerates to
      "nope" degenerates to:
      "2357" degenerates to:
      "WOW" degenerates to:
      "fred" degenerates to:
      "!" degenerates to:
      "pervert alert"

      This troll is not a christian. ...

      October 31, 2012 at 5:19 pm |
    • hal 9001

      I'm sorry, "Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things", but your assertions regarding atheism and prayer are unfounded. Using my Idiomatic Expression Equivalency module, the expression that best matches the degree to which your assertions may represent truths is: "TOTAL FAIL".

      I see that you repeat these unfounded statements with high frequency. Perhaps the following book can help you:

      I'm Told I Have Dementia: What You Can Do... Who You Can Turn to...
      by the Alzheimer's Disease Society

      October 31, 2012 at 5:21 pm |
    • Jesus

      Prayer does not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs

      October 31, 2012 at 5:29 pm |
  20. truth be told

    leo says it because it is true not to make it true.

    October 31, 2012 at 4:53 pm |
    • Reasonably

      And lo. the truth was laid bare before them, but the blind could not see and so the lamb stalked among them and saw that it was good.

      But then, I might be mixing metaphors.

      October 31, 2012 at 5:49 pm |
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