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November 7th, 2012
08:21 AM ET

Election results raise questions about Christian right's influence

By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor

Washington (CNN) – For many conservative Christian leaders, it was a nightmare scenario: Barack Obama decisively re-elected. Same-sex marriage adopted by voters in some states. Rigorously anti-abortion candidates defeated in conservative red states.

On multiple levels, Tuesday’s election results raised questions about the Christian right’s agenda on American politics, eight years after the movement helped sweep President George W. Bush into a second term and opened the era of state bans on same-sex marriage.

“For the first time tonight, same-sex marriage has been passed by popular vote in Maine and Maryland,” said Robert P. Jones, a Washington-based pollster who specializes in questions about politics and religion.

“The historic nature of these results are hard to overstate,” Jones said. “Given the strong support of younger Americans for same-sex marriage, it is unlikely this issue will reappear as a major national wedge issue.”

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Some conservative evangelical leaders echoed that line. Albert Mohler, who heads the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, said on Twitter that votes for same-sex marriage suggested that “we are witnessing a fundamental moral realignment of the country.”

A Tuesday ballot measure to legalize same-sex marriage in Washington state is still pending. In Minnesota, voters rejected a Tuesday measure that would have banned same-sex marriage there.

Thirty-eight states have banned same-sex marriage, mostly via constitutional amendments.

Obama’s victory also raised questions about the Christian right's influence in the electorate.

Though evangelical leaders as diverse as the Southern Baptist Convention’s Richard Land and Christian icon Billy Graham voiced support for Mitt Romney (Graham stopped short of an official endorsement), Obama performed better among white evangelicals than he did in 2008 in some states.

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In swing state Ohio, exit polls showed that Obama got 30% support among white evangelicals. While that’s hardly a victory, it’s better than the 27% support Obama got among those voters four years ago.

Before the election, many evangelical leaders predicted that opposition to Obama over his support for abortion rights, his personal endorsement of same-sex marriage and his vision of government as a force for good would trump reservations evangelicals had about Romney’s past social liberalism and his Mormon faith.

“There is no evidence in voting patterns that President Obama's 'evolution' on same-sex marriage cost him anything,” Mohler said in another tweet Tuesday night.

Obama also narrowly won Catholics, even after the U.S. Catholic bishops waged a rigorous campaign against the Obama administration around the issue of religious liberty. The bishops alleged Obama was forcing Catholics to violate their own teachings by making health insurance companies provide free contraception coverage for virtually all employees.

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John Green, a religion and politics expert at the University of Akron, said Obama’s win among Catholics was partly a testament to the growing Latino demographic.

“Maybe Hispanic Catholics were not as moved by religious liberty-type arguments as by immigration and economics,” he said.

Unlike in 2004, when John Kerry a former altar boy lost Catholic voters, the Obama campaign had a robust religious outreach program aimed largely at Catholic and evangelical voters. The effort included videos from Obama and Vice President Joe Biden, a Catholic, talking about their Christian faith.

Obama's success among some religious demographics also illustrated how economic issues, as opposed to culture war concerns, dominated the election cycle.

The defeat Tuesday of two Republican Senate candidates who made national headlines with anti-abortion remarks also raised questions about the Christian right’s power.

In Missouri, U.S. Senate candidate Todd Akin, who in August walked back his remark that "if it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down," lost his bid to unseat Sen. Claire McCaskill, a Democrat.

Akin’s campaign became a national cause for conservative Christian activists after the Republican Party abandoned the candidate and encouraged him to drop out over his abortion remark.

In Indiana, Republican Senate candidate Richard Mourdock lost his race against Democrat Joe Donnelly after saying last month that pregnancies resulting from rape are “something that God intended to happen.”

Conservative Christians did claim some victories Tuesday night, including helping the GOP retain control of the U.S. House of Representatives and helping elect tea party favorite Ted Cruz as a U.S. senator from Texas.

Ralph Reed, the leader of conservative group the Faith & Freedom Coalition, planned a Wednesday morning press conference to release his data about what he called the enduring influence of “values voters.”

“Preliminary evidence is they turned out and they voted heavily for Romney,” Reed said in an e-mail message Tuesday night.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: 2012 Election • Christianity • Politics

soundoff (4,434 Responses)
  1. Reality

    Only for new members of this blog:-–>>>>

    As noted many times before the election:

    Why the Christian Right no longer matters in presidential elections:

    Once again, all the conservative votes in the country "ain't" going to help a "pro-life" presidential candidate, i.e Mitt Romney, in 2012 as the "Immoral Majority" rules the country and will be doing so for awhile. The "Immoral Majority" you ask?

    The fastest growing USA voting bloc: In 2008, the 70+ million "Roe vs. Wade mothers and fathers" of aborted womb-babies" whose ranks grow by two million per year i.e. 78+ million "IM" voters in 2012.

    And the irony:

    And all because many women fail to take the Pill once a day or men fail to use a condom even though in most cases these men have them in their pockets. (maybe they should be called the "Stupid Majority"?)

    The failures of the widely used birth "control" methods i.e. the Pill and male condom have led to the large rate of abortions ( one million/yr) and S-TDs (19 million/yr) in the USA. Men and women must either recognize their responsibilities by using the Pill or condoms properly and/or use other safer birth control methods in order to reduce the epidemics of abortion and S-TDs.

    i.e. IF THE PILL AND MALE CONDOMS WERE USED PROPERLY, ABORTION WOULD NOT BE AN ISSUE AND OBAMA WOULD NOT BE PRESIDENT.

    November 7, 2012 at 12:49 pm |
    • Gaunt

      Except that poll after poll have shown that, regardless of people's views on abortion, this is almost never the issue that makes them choose a candidate. Its a non-issue election time.

      In other words, you are flat-out wrong.

      November 7, 2012 at 12:52 pm |
    • Jesus Christ Your Lord

      Naaaa, he'd still president.

      November 7, 2012 at 12:55 pm |
    • Reality

      It is not people's view of abortion, it is the fact that 39+ million women have had abortions since Roe vs Wade. Multiply that by 2 for inclusion of the "father" of the child and you have 78 million voters directly involved in having an abortion. That voting bloc is larger than the number of registered Democrats and exactly why Obama and Axelrod filled the airways with pro- Roe vs. Wade, pro-choice/abortion ads during the last two weeks of the campaign. Said ad expenditures should have been used to promulgate the Brutal Effects of Stupidity as noted below:

      Note: Some words hyphenated to defeat an obvious word filter. ...

      The Brutal Effects of Stupidity:

      : The failures of the widely used birth "control" methods i.e. the Pill (8.7% actual failure rate) and male con-dom (17.4% actual failure rate) have led to the large rate of abortions and S-TDs in the USA. Men and women must either recognize their responsibilities by using the Pill or co-ndoms properly and/or use safer methods in order to reduce the epidemics of abortion and S-TDs.- Failure rate statistics provided by the Gut-tmacher Inst-itute. Unfortunately they do not give the statistics for doubling up i.e. using a combination of the Pill and a condom.

      Added information before making your next move:

      from the CDC-2006

      "Se-xually transmitted diseases (STDs) remain a major public health challenge in the United States. While substantial progress has been made in preventing, diagnosing, and treating certain S-TDs in recent years, CDC estimates that approximately 19 million new infections occur each year, almost half of them among young people ages 15 to 24.1 In addition to the physical and psy-ch-ological consequences of S-TDs, these diseases also exact a tremendous economic toll. Direct medical costs as-sociated with STDs in the United States are estimated at up to $14.7 billion annually in 2006 dollars."

      And from:

      Consumer Reports, January, 2012

      "Yes, or-al se-x is se-x, and it can boost cancer risk-

      Here's a crucial message for teens (and all se-xually active "post-teeners": Or-al se-x carries many of the same risks as va-ginal se-x, including human papilloma virus, or HPV. And HPV may now be overtaking tobacco as the leading cause of or-al cancers in America in people under age 50.

      "Adolescents don’t think or-al se-x is something to worry about," said Bonnie Halpern-Felsher professor of pediatrics at the University of California, San Francisco. "They view it as a way to have intimacy without having 's-ex.'" (It should be called the Bill Clinton Syndrome !!)

      Obviously, political leaders in both parties, Planned Parenthood, parents, the "stupid part of the USA" and the educational system have failed miserably on many fronts.

      The most effective forms of contraception, ranked by "Perfect use":

      - (Abstinence, 0% failure rate)
      - (Masturbation, mono or mutual, 0% failure rate)

      Followed by:

      One-month injectable and Implant (both at 0.05 percent)
      Vasectomy and IUD (Mirena) (both at 0.1 percent)
      The Pill, Three-month injectable, and the Patch (all at 0.3 percent)
      Tubal sterilization (at 0.5 percent)
      IUD (Copper-T) (0.6 percent)
      Periodic abstinence (Post-ovulation) (1.0 percent)
      Periodic abstinence (Symptothermal) and Male condom (both at 2.0 percent)
      Periodic abstinence (Ovulation method) (3.0 percent)

      Every other method ranks below these, including Withdrawal (4.0), Female condom (5.0), Diaphragm (6.0), Periodic abstinence (calendar) (9.0), the Sponge (9.0-20.0, depending on whether the woman using it has had a child in the past), Cervical cap (9.0-26.0, with the same caveat as the Sponge), and Spermicides (18.0).

      November 7, 2012 at 1:16 pm |
    • Sandra

      No matter who is President, and which policies are introduced, conscience and the ability to discern right from wrong, cannot be legislated.

      November 7, 2012 at 1:17 pm |
    • Reality

      We legislate responsible activities all the time. Also, the taxpayers should not be saddled with the cost of the irresponsiblities of women and men who fail to protect themselves during se-x. Keep in mind a condom only costs 33 cents. The cost of curing STDs is almost $15 billion/yr as per the CDC.

      November 7, 2012 at 1:34 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Reality

      Do you even realize that part of the resons for non-contraception use or improper contraception use is because of places employing abstinence only sex education (normally very red states)? Perhaps if we were to require, at the federal level, proper sex education, then you would see a reduction in all the things you posted.

      November 7, 2012 at 4:40 pm |
  2. honestmidwest

    The "Christian Right" have tried to redefine what being "Christian" is. Love, acceptance, caring for others, etc. went out the window with the "Christian Right" and the Republicans, and they have taken on extremist – non "real Christian" views. It is sad to see, but true. IF they come back to being normal, loving, caring, accepting people – they and our great Country would be much, much better off. I certainly hope, but seriously doubt that will happen as all their own signs point to them becoming even more extremists. Sad.

    November 7, 2012 at 12:49 pm |
    • me

      I am a Christian, and I really don't mind that others gain the rights that they should have, I don't hate people,anymore I'm afraid of all the hate. I believe if we really did do as Jesus said,Christians would be better off. But at the sane time I don't want others to take my rights from me too. Like the Kountze school down in Texas. Right now a group called Freedom From Religion is trying to stop this schools cheer leaders from putting encouraging Bible verses on their school banners to support their team. Now this community is fighting for these girls just to have the right to do so. Their rights to express what they believe is being taking from them even though we're suppose to have the freedom to openly express our beliefs. We all should be working together to help each other to protect those kind of rights before we lose them.

      November 7, 2012 at 3:17 pm |
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    November 7, 2012 at 12:48 pm |
  4. Christians are better than you.....

    The issue with the religious right is the lack of tolerance of other views. This is a world wide issue, not just here in the US. Seen what's happening in the M.E. with the Taliban, AQ, etc? You don't have to agree with other's views, but if you torture them for those views you can be sure they'll have no desire to join your side.

    November 7, 2012 at 12:48 pm |
    • me

      You are quit right there. But your screen name doesn't exactly show a great deal of...hmm...well, lets just say it may rub some people the wrong way sweetie.

      November 7, 2012 at 3:20 pm |
  5. StayinAlive

    When Republicans chose a Mormon to be their leader, that told me that there are very few Christians left in the country.

    November 7, 2012 at 12:47 pm |
  6. Linda

    Yesterday, I remained silent as many on the right prayed to God yesterday to lead our country in the right direction. Well, He did. As a Christian lefty, Obama's policies represent everything my Bible teaches me.

    November 7, 2012 at 12:46 pm |
    • swing state voter

      Yes!!!!
      This!!!!

      November 7, 2012 at 12:47 pm |
    • Atheist Hunter

      Linda..........oh so you're a satanist? Sacrifice your children and all???

      November 7, 2012 at 12:49 pm |
    • sam

      Bug off, AH. Your day is over.

      November 7, 2012 at 12:55 pm |
    • Bet

      @AH

      So sad that all you have left are empty threats and ridiculous name calling.

      November 7, 2012 at 1:05 pm |
  7. nick212

    God, I hope so. These judgmental religious bigots should study Christianity and stop evangilising until they understand the message of JC.

    November 7, 2012 at 12:45 pm |
    • Atheist Hunter

      "but there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovreign Lord who bought them – bringing swift destruction on themselves. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping" (2 Peter 2:1-3).

      November 7, 2012 at 12:50 pm |
    • Topher

      Which is?

      November 7, 2012 at 12:51 pm |
    • Topher

      I have to ask, because I've talked myself in circles so much that I no longer really know.

      November 7, 2012 at 12:56 pm |
    • Topher

      You, sir, are a coward.

      November 7, 2012 at 1:05 pm |
    • nick212

      Topher:

      I think if you try reading the New Testament rather then the Old, the message of Christianity will become crystal clear.

      November 7, 2012 at 1:36 pm |
    • TheSchmaltz

      AH: Such men have walked among us. Their names are Billy Graham and Jerry Falwell.

      November 7, 2012 at 2:05 pm |
  8. gladiatorgrl

    guess it's "God's will" Obama is our President!! :-)

    November 7, 2012 at 12:45 pm |
    • truth be told

      It is Gods will to punish America.

      November 7, 2012 at 12:49 pm |
    • Overkill

      Indeed. They say Sandy helped Obama. Even insurance companies would call that an act of God.

      November 7, 2012 at 12:51 pm |
    • Topher

      It is God's will that he's president.

      November 7, 2012 at 12:52 pm |
    • truth be told

      And by punish America, I mean the re-election of Bachmann.

      November 7, 2012 at 12:57 pm |
  9. Jesus Christ Your Lord

    Religous Right! Eat it.

    Now go back to asking for money, so you can buy that new Cadillac and poodle for your wife.

    November 7, 2012 at 12:45 pm |
    • Hoppy

      Poodles are one of the world's smartest breeds.

      November 7, 2012 at 1:02 pm |
  10. Tom

    The article mis-identifies the issue. America as a nation is turning away from God and the Judeo/Christian belief system (Bible). Given that this belief system (not Islam, Buddha, Hinduism, Shamanism, Witch Craft, Atheism, Animism, Relativism, Animal Worship, or Humanism) has turned the Western World from lying barbarians into a prosperous, mostly ethical, mostly truthful, hard working, freedom loving people, and the only source of long-lived democracy in the world with rights for women and minorities, it stands to reason that the rejection of this belief system is a national mistake. America will pay for its decisions. Have a nice walk through the wild woods to which we are returning.

    November 7, 2012 at 12:45 pm |
    • Ben

      Sounds like a sore loser to me

      November 7, 2012 at 12:46 pm |
    • Jesus Christ Your Lord

      There's "stands to reason" basis for your lame argument. Stop trying to force your beliefs into a success story.

      November 7, 2012 at 12:46 pm |
    • jon

      I am so glad that we are getting "religion" out of politics. The rest of the World does so – and so should we.

      November 7, 2012 at 12:48 pm |
    • gladiatorgrl

      "mostly ethical" "mostly" WHAT?? was slavery ethical? was burning those who had different beliefs ethical? was the trail of tears ethical? was giving small pox laden blankets ethical? was locking people in sweat shops ethical?? FORCING your beliefs ethical?

      "THE FAMILY" has had it's day and now finally hopefully it will go to the dustbin of history

      p.s. take the Mormon's with you to that dustbin since apparently they're not a cult anymore

      November 7, 2012 at 12:48 pm |
    • Michael

      Apparently Tom isn't familiar with that period of history known as the Dark Ages, which his religion is primarily responsible for.

      November 7, 2012 at 12:49 pm |
    • Sane Person

      Nonsense. Just like your bible.

      November 7, 2012 at 12:50 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      Women and minorities won their rights in spite of the religious, not becuase of them.

      November 7, 2012 at 12:51 pm |
    • KLN

      I agree with you 100%. Any serious student of American history could see how uniquely blessed our country has been.

      November 7, 2012 at 12:51 pm |
    • swing state voter

      Wrong.

      I don't remember any of this Evangelical crap being part of elections several decades ago and we did just fine then. If anything, there is MORE of it now than then.

      November 7, 2012 at 12:55 pm |
    • sudipminhas

      Yes Tom the freedom loving people enslaved a race for more than 200yrs. Equality for women is born out of Adam's rib. "Witches" were hunted in New England by the faithful. Peace loving nation waged the most brutal wars of the post World War era. Crusades were the best option to eliminate "others". You remain the only nation in the world to use a weapon of mass destruction against civilian population (remember Nagasaki and Hiroshima). Have myopia when shown the map of the world. Rallied after Bush to hunt weapons of mass destruction when the whole world knew he was fighting his father's battles and his VPs oil wealth. The nation with the highest death penalty rate in the world and of course who can forget your guns...Come on be an honest man and admit the wild woods are BLACK

      November 7, 2012 at 1:18 pm |
    • TheSchmaltz

      Those beliefs were with us, but it's a mistake to give them credit. They've frequently tried to push us away from progress, or championed the causes that help us back.

      November 7, 2012 at 2:10 pm |
    • me

      People aren't walking away from God, they're just hiding because they know how they will be treated for believing God. Don't worry. Love is on the move,reveling heaven's truth,love is on it's way and it will find us all again.

      November 7, 2012 at 3:32 pm |
  11. Sandra

    Wouldn't vote a Mormon as President. Please don't confuse Mormons with Christians. Mormonism IS NOT Christian, although they want everybody else to believe that it is. Joe Smith invented this false religion to hide and then to justify is adultery by introducing polygamy. He was also involved in occult activities in order to make money, lots and lots of money, and then realized he could get lots more from gullible believers who buy into his brand of religion. Did some bigwig in mormonism have a "revelation" and "prophesied" that Romney would win? I guess their mormon god was wrong... again. Wonder what explanation they come up with this time. Mormon bishops swear an oath of vengeance against the United States for the death of Joseph Smith, and since Romney is a bishop, did he also swear this oath? Mormons are NOT Christians, they are a cult, get that straight!

    November 7, 2012 at 12:44 pm |
    • Atheist Hunter

      Sandra........there were two choices. The other's were an obvious waste of your vote. Neither are Christian. One is all for slaughtering babies and having sodomy in the streets. You're president carries other gods in his pockets and on his fingers. He is obviously pure evil. If you think he was the Christian choice then you've been turned over to a reprobate mind and are believing a lie. Are you people blind?

      November 7, 2012 at 12:47 pm |
    • Jesus Christ Your Lord

      Both are cults. fairy tales. magic, supernatural comic powers.

      November 7, 2012 at 12:48 pm |
    • Jesus Christ Your Lord

      Aethist Hunter is a joke.

      You're craziness makes me chuckle. 17:76 REALITY

      November 7, 2012 at 12:49 pm |
    • swing state voter

      I'm surprised the White Horse Prophesy didn't come up.

      November 7, 2012 at 12:57 pm |
    • swing state voter

      Athiest Hunter is just a modern day Pharisee. Not a real Christian.

      November 7, 2012 at 12:58 pm |
    • sam

      AH, stop fantasizing about sodomy in the streets. I know you want it bad, but really. Think of the children. The ones Obama doesn't slaughter, I mean. LOL

      November 7, 2012 at 12:59 pm |
    • Sandra

      ATHEIST HUNTER: Nowhere did I discuss "the other choice". I agree with most of what you said, but the discussion here is about whether Mormonism should be considered Christian. It is not. Unfortunately, it was a choice between the lesser of two evils. Ultimately, conscience cannot be legislated and every man and woman will have to answer for what they have done in their past, whether it was slaughtering the unborn or living in sin, whatever the definition. If Romney hadn't been an avowed Mormon, he may have very well won this election, but fortunately for Americans, this weird religion disguised under the cloak of Christianity, and enough of them saw through it. My vote wasn't wasted because as a Canadian, I wasn't eligible. Who did you vote for?

      November 7, 2012 at 1:01 pm |
  12. Mikeee

    Two arleaady gay states voter approved it and all the sudden religious values are dead everywhere..DON'T think so...Try bringing that crap to Texas, it will NEVER pass there.

    November 7, 2012 at 12:44 pm |
    • Philipp

      thats what you think. wait 20 years and Hispanics are a majority. And don't call it "crap"...lol

      November 7, 2012 at 12:45 pm |
    • midwest rail

      It will once the Supreme Court takes up the issue. Next.

      November 7, 2012 at 12:46 pm |
    • MCR

      You must be young enough not to remember that's what people were saying in all 50 states 20 years ago.

      November 7, 2012 at 12:47 pm |
    • Ben

      You and your deluded ilk are dying a slow, hilarious death. Congrats

      November 7, 2012 at 12:47 pm |
    • Darryl

      Never is a long time.

      November 7, 2012 at 12:49 pm |
    • sam

      Don't worry, we'll drag Texas kicking and screaming into the modern day eventually.

      November 7, 2012 at 1:00 pm |
    • mnstrpc

      Pretty sure that's what they said about interracial marriage too . . .

      November 7, 2012 at 1:02 pm |
  13. JesusIsTheWay

    2Corinthians 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus's sake. For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

    November 7, 2012 at 12:41 pm |
    • gladiatorgrl

      quoting a book of folklore from the Bronze Age... (sigh) am I gonna turn into a pillar of salt now?

      November 7, 2012 at 12:43 pm |
    • Atheist Hunter

      gladiatorgrl........maybe not now, but soon.

      November 7, 2012 at 12:44 pm |
    • Primewonk

      ADVISORY: There is an Extremely Small but Nonzero Chance That, Through a Process Know as "Tunneling," This Post May Spontaneously Disappear from Its Present Location and Reappear at Any Random Place in the Universe, Including Your Neighbor's Domicile. God Will Not Be Responsible for Any Damages or Inconvenience That May Result.

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      Einstein 16:24 Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one.

      Gould 1:15-16 Human consciousness arose but a minute before midnight on the geological clock. Yet we mayflies try to bend an ancient world to our purposes, ignorant perhaps of the messages buried in its long history. Let us hope that we are still in the early morning of our April day.

      Bohr 2:11 Anyone who is not shocked by quantum theory has not understood it.

      Szilard 88:16 I'm all in favor of the democratic principle that one idiot is as good as one genius, but I draw the line when someone takes the next step and concludes that two idiots are better than one genius.

      Sagan 22:1 For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reàssuring.

      Feynman 110:55 …it doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is, it doesn't matter how smart you are - if it doesn't agree with experiment, it's wrong.

      Hawking 41:61 A machine that was powerful enough to accelerate particles to the grand unification energy would have to be as big as the Solar System-and would be unlikely to be funded in the present economic climate.

      Hippocrates 14:5 Science is the father of knowledge, but opinion breeds ignorance.

      Galileo 12:16 It is surely harmful to souls to make it a heresy to believe what is proved

      Carlyle 2:2 It is a mathematical fact that the casting of this pebble from my hand alters the centre of gravity of the universe.

      Fermi 1:1 The weak nuclear force does not change over time.

      Oliver Heaviside 62:3 Shall I refuse my dinner because I do not fully understand the process of digestion?

      C. P. Snow 5:3 Innocence about Science is the worst crime today.

      Paul Valéry 3:6 One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall.

      A.C. Doyle 14:8 It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories instead of theories to suit facts.

      Clarke 19:17 Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

      Roddenberry 68:12 We must question the story logic of having an all-knowing all-powerful God, who creates faulty Humans, and then blames them for his own mistakes.

      deGràsse Tyson 1:1 God is an ever receeding pocket of scientific ignorance.

      November 7, 2012 at 12:47 pm |
    • Jesus Christ Your Lord

      Primewonk for the WIN!

      Thanks for the post

      November 7, 2012 at 12:51 pm |
    • Carol

      Can't you confine your preaching to your home and to your church? No matter how passionately you believe, to try to make your religious text the law of the land is a violation of my right to religious freedom. I cannot understand why any individual or group feels they have the right to impose their religious beliefs on others. And I can't understand why any elected official believes they have the right to purse a religious agenda...they have an obligation to serve their electorate, all of them.

      November 7, 2012 at 1:00 pm |
    • Time Will Tell

      Keep posting and don't get discouraged. It really doesn't hurt, and as a matter of fact, it may actually help someone ~ even if it's only one person.

      November 7, 2012 at 1:10 pm |
    • Rob Miller

      I will never understand why people quote scripture or why they still believe that mythology is true. You don't believe in the other Gods and consider their lore to be mythology, what's stopping you from going that one logical step forward and considering that biblical lore is also mythology? Besides, our country is set up so that religion cannot be a part of legislation, it was set up like that by the founders and some of them were religious but saw what happens when religion gets too much power. Our country is also set up so you and everybody else is free to believe and practice whatever religion they want or none at all so long as it doesn't violate our nations law(stoning, human/animal sacrifice, etc).

      November 7, 2012 at 1:22 pm |
    • me

      Very beautiful! But don't forget, to love thy enemy and pray for those who prosecute you.

      November 7, 2012 at 3:39 pm |
    • truth be told

      The New Testament is well past the "bronze age" proving that folks like gladi... etc, don't have a clue what they are talking about.

      November 7, 2012 at 3:45 pm |
  14. Ben

    I have a question for some of you fundies? How does it feel to watch your moronic worldview eviscerated before your eyes?

    November 7, 2012 at 12:41 pm |
    • Atheist Hunter

      It feels fine because God's will, will be done! We're covered under the wings of almighty God and if death takes me today, I'm going home!

      November 7, 2012 at 12:43 pm |
    • Ben

      People 100 years in the future are going to read about people like you and wonder how they could be so hugely duped.

      November 7, 2012 at 12:45 pm |
    • christopher hitchens

      Given the choice between a Mormon and a baby killing, pansy marrying heretic most "fundies" didn't vote. Look for four more years of incompetence and ruin, by which time all of non-fundie America will look and act like a ghetto.

      November 7, 2012 at 12:46 pm |
    • sean

      Which view are you referring too?

      November 7, 2012 at 12:48 pm |
    • Ben

      The American conservative Christian worldview

      November 7, 2012 at 12:50 pm |
    • Rationalist

      Heads be exploding all throughout the "Bahble Belt" today. Pat Robertson must be foaming at the mouth. This is what Fundies get when they base their whole existence on on the family values of sick perverts and child molesters, and then try to shove it down the throats of rational people. I'm relishing the moment.

      November 7, 2012 at 12:51 pm |
  15. Atheist Hunter

    The dollar lost value when your president got re-elected. Whats up with that???

    November 7, 2012 at 12:41 pm |
    • Ben

      The dollar fluctuates in value all the time. WHo cares?

      November 7, 2012 at 12:42 pm |
    • Rationalist

      The dollar ROSE against all major currencies today, you m0r0n. Lear to read the currency charts.

      November 7, 2012 at 12:56 pm |
  16. gladiatorgrl

    NO STATE SPONSORED RELIGION!!

    TAX THE CHURCHES!!

    November 7, 2012 at 12:41 pm |
    • Mickey1313

      Agreed. Treat each denomination as a corporation, and tax them to the hilt.

      November 7, 2012 at 12:45 pm |
    • Im stupid

      Yeah cause my church gives our money to Mexico and helps people who need help on bills and widows and oh man wait that stuff is all bad. Why do we do that..hmm why not Tax all non profits?

      November 7, 2012 at 12:48 pm |
    • Rationalist

      Hear hear!!!

      November 7, 2012 at 12:57 pm |
  17. DJR

    It is an example of what you don't know. This is the promise you will be ridiculed and tested, you will be arrested tried and found guilty, you will be fed to lions and hung on crosses, this is the promise, rejoice for it is but another example of what the BIBLE teaches, and can be seen to be true. How many articles have you read in the past 3 months about Obama being a Christian, and today this story is posted. It shows what you don't know. BLESSED is the nation who's GOD IS GOD.

    November 7, 2012 at 12:41 pm |
    • gladiatorgrl

      which God? there are around 30,000 and they're ALL imaginary

      November 7, 2012 at 12:42 pm |
    • Mikeee

      The good thing DJ is we have read the last chapter of a The most read book ever, and it has been stated factually that in the end we win, so this 1 election is of no care.

      November 7, 2012 at 12:47 pm |
    • No Dice

      Which is a fancy way of telling the faithful to armor themselves from rational thought no matter the consequences.

      November 7, 2012 at 12:59 pm |
    • Bet

      Really? I don't see anyone being arrested for practicing their religion. What I do see are people who stood up for the Const.itution and refused to allow any religion to dictate the law.

      It is quite clever, though, how the men who wrote it included this garbage about expecting persecution. It helps you feel better about being wrong by convincing you that it's all part of some big mysterious plan that will turn out just fine in the end.

      November 7, 2012 at 1:16 pm |
    • me

      I know that,but I really didn't want to see it in my life time.

      November 7, 2012 at 3:45 pm |
  18. Matt

    Atheist Hunter

    You believe in Satan but not GOD?. You can't have one without the other.

    November 7, 2012 at 12:40 pm |
    • Atheist Hunter

      Matt........you're lost huh??? Note name...atheist hunter. What is an atheist? They don't believe in God. Hello!

      November 7, 2012 at 12:42 pm |
    • Ben

      I think atheist hunter is herman cain

      November 7, 2012 at 12:43 pm |
    • Hoppy

      Atheist Hunter is a terrible troll. A good troll wouldn't looks so comical.

      November 7, 2012 at 1:08 pm |
  19. Brad

    Not sure this election means the "religious right" is in decline. In reality, Mitt Romney is a MORMON, a religion many in the "religious right" are wary of. He was never a guy that was going to unite that group together into a cohesive voting bloc like Bush did, so I don't see how the comparison is worthwhile in determining the strength of the ultra-conservatives. It would only be an apple-to-apples comparison if Romney was truly a candidate as appealing to this group as Bush was...and I think it would be very difficult to maintain that is the case.

    In terms of social issues...some states will become more liberal, some states will remain more conservative. That is precisely the way our nation was devised to work...give the states the power to decide these issues, because people in Florida think differently than people in California, Iowa, or Texas.

    November 7, 2012 at 12:39 pm |
  20. rjc

    It's no longer cool to be an ignorant biggot living in the stone age preaching fear & hatred because you're too lazy to think for yourself

    November 7, 2012 at 12:39 pm |
    • Ben

      Thank god for that.

      November 7, 2012 at 12:40 pm |
    • me

      I think for myself very well thank you very much...and I BELIEVE IN GOD!!! He taught me not to hate others,not to miss treat others,not to judge, to love my enemies and to pray for those who persecute me! And I believe that some of the evolution theory is correct, and I LOVE earth science and all they find in the universe makes me just giddy when ever it finally gets some media attention, and all the great things that scientist keep discovering about our world! And the Bible itself is so accurate that they have discovered many of the places and people did existed and the Smithsonian has even praised it for how well everything is recorded in it...FACTS...that you cannot change...FACTS...that my people where very smart to keep such great detailed recordings...We were never in the dark ages. Or are you all forgetting how many Christians helped to develop science and that some of the methods we still use today were developed by CHRISTIANS!!! But just in case you did here are their names: Nicholas Copernicus (1473-1543), Sir Francis Bacon (1561-1627) ,Johannes Kepler (1571-1630,Although his work was based upon experimentation and reasoning, he rejected atheism as being the result of insufficient depth of philosophy, stating, "It is true, that a little philosophy inclines man's mind to atheism, but depth in philosophy bringeth men's minds about to religion; for while the mind of man looketh upon second causes scattered, it may sometimes rest in them, and go no further; but when it beholdeth the chain of them confederate, and linked together, it must needs fly to Providence and Deity.") Johannes Kepler (1571-1630)
      Kepler was a brilliant mathematician and astronomer. He did early work on light, and established the laws of planetary motion about the sun. He also came close to reaching the Newtonian concept of universal gravity – well before Newton was born! alileo Galilei (1564-1642)
      Galileo is often remembered for his conflict with the Roman Catholic Church. His controversial work on the solar system was published in 1633. It had no proofs of a sun-centered system (Galileo's telescope discoveries did not indicate a moving earth) and his one "proof" based upon the tides was invalid. It ignored the correct elliptical orbits of planets published twenty five years earlier by Kepler. Since his work finished by putting the Pope's favorite argument in the mouth of the simpleton in the dialogue, the Pope (an old friend of Galileo's) was very offended. After the "trial" and being forbidden to teach the sun-centered system, Galileo did his most useful theoretical work, which was on dynamics. Galileo expressly said that the Bible cannot err, and saw his system as an alternate interpretation of the biblical texts. Rene Descartes (1596-1650)
      Descartes was a French mathematician, scientist and philosopher who has been called the father of modern philosophy. Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)
      Pascal was a French mathematician, physicist, inventor, writer and theologian.

      saac Newton (1642-1727)
      In optics, mechanics, and mathematics, Newton was a figure of undisputed genius and innovation. In all his science (including chemistry) he saw mathematics and numbers as central. What is less well known is that he was devoutly religious and saw numbers as involved in understanding God's plan for history from the Bible. He did a considerable work on biblical numerology, and, though aspects of his beliefs were not orthodox, he thought theology was very important. In his system of physics, God was essential to the nature and absoluteness of space. In Principia he stated, "The most beautiful system of the sun, planets, and comets, could only proceed from the counsel and dominion of an intelligent and powerful Being."

      Robert Boyle (1791-1867)

      Michael Faraday (1791-1867)
      Michael Faraday was the son of a blacksmith who became one of the greatest scientists of the 19th century. His work on electricity and magnetism not only revolutionized physics, but led to much of our lifestyles today, which depends on them (including computers and telephone lines and, so, web sites). Faraday was a devoutly Christian member of the Sandemanians, which significantly influenced him and strongly affected the way in which he approached and interpreted nature. Originating from Presbyterians, the Sandemanians rejected the idea of state churches, and tried to go back to a New Testament type of Christianity.

      Gregor Mendel (1822-1884)
      Mendel was the first to lay the mathematical foundations of genetics, in what came to be called "Mendelianism".

      William Thomson Kelvin (1824-1907)
      Kelvin was foremost among the small group of British scientists who helped to lay the foundations of modern physics. His work covered many areas of physics, and he was said to have more letters after his name than anyone else in the Commonwealth, since he received numerous honorary degrees from European Universities, which recognized the value of his work. He was a very committed Christian, who was certainly more religious than the average for his era. Interestingly, his fellow physicists George Gabriel Stokes (1819-1903) and James Clerk Maxwell (1831-1879) were also men of deep Christian commitment, in an era when many were nominal, apathetic, or anti-Christian. The Encyclopedia Britannica says "Maxwell is regarded by most modern physicists as the scientist of the 19th century who had the greatest influence on 20th century physics; he is ranked with Sir Isaac Newton and Albert Einstein for the fundamental nature of his contributions."

      Max Planck (1858-1947)
      Planck made many contributions to physics, but is best known for quantum theory, which revolutionized our understanding of the atomic and sub-atomic worlds.

      Albert Einstein (1879-1955)
      Einstein is probably the best known and most highly revered scientist of the twentieth century, and is associated with major revolutions in our thinking about time, gravity, and the conversion of matter to energy (E=mc2). Although never coming to belief in a personal God, he recognized the impossibility of a non-created universe. The Encyclopedia Britannica says of him: "Firmly denying atheism, Einstein expressed a belief in "Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of what exists." This actually motivated his interest in science, as he once remarked to a young physicist: "I want to know how God created this world, I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts, the rest are details." Einstein's famous epithet on the "uncertainty principle" was "God does not play dice" – and to him this was a real statement about a God in whom he believed. A famous saying of his was "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."

      And that isn't even all of them! So you say dark ages?

      November 7, 2012 at 4:20 pm |
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