By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor
Washington (CNN) – For many conservative Christian leaders, it was a nightmare scenario: Barack Obama decisively re-elected. Same-sex marriage adopted by voters in some states. Rigorously anti-abortion candidates defeated in conservative red states.
On multiple levels, Tuesday’s election results raised questions about the Christian right’s agenda on American politics, eight years after the movement helped sweep President George W. Bush into a second term and opened the era of state bans on same-sex marriage.
“For the first time tonight, same-sex marriage has been passed by popular vote in Maine and Maryland,” said Robert P. Jones, a Washington-based pollster who specializes in questions about politics and religion.
“The historic nature of these results are hard to overstate,” Jones said. “Given the strong support of younger Americans for same-sex marriage, it is unlikely this issue will reappear as a major national wedge issue.”
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Some conservative evangelical leaders echoed that line. Albert Mohler, who heads the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, said on Twitter that votes for same-sex marriage suggested that “we are witnessing a fundamental moral realignment of the country.”
A Tuesday ballot measure to legalize same-sex marriage in Washington state is still pending. In Minnesota, voters rejected a Tuesday measure that would have banned same-sex marriage there.
Thirty-eight states have banned same-sex marriage, mostly via constitutional amendments.
Obama’s victory also raised questions about the Christian right's influence in the electorate.
Though evangelical leaders as diverse as the Southern Baptist Convention’s Richard Land and Christian icon Billy Graham voiced support for Mitt Romney (Graham stopped short of an official endorsement), Obama performed better among white evangelicals than he did in 2008 in some states.
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In swing state Ohio, exit polls showed that Obama got 30% support among white evangelicals. While that’s hardly a victory, it’s better than the 27% support Obama got among those voters four years ago.
Before the election, many evangelical leaders predicted that opposition to Obama over his support for abortion rights, his personal endorsement of same-sex marriage and his vision of government as a force for good would trump reservations evangelicals had about Romney’s past social liberalism and his Mormon faith.
“There is no evidence in voting patterns that President Obama's 'evolution' on same-sex marriage cost him anything,” Mohler said in another tweet Tuesday night.
Obama also narrowly won Catholics, even after the U.S. Catholic bishops waged a rigorous campaign against the Obama administration around the issue of religious liberty. The bishops alleged Obama was forcing Catholics to violate their own teachings by making health insurance companies provide free contraception coverage for virtually all employees.
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John Green, a religion and politics expert at the University of Akron, said Obama’s win among Catholics was partly a testament to the growing Latino demographic.
“Maybe Hispanic Catholics were not as moved by religious liberty-type arguments as by immigration and economics,” he said.
Unlike in 2004, when John Kerry – a former altar boy – lost Catholic voters, the Obama campaign had a robust religious outreach program aimed largely at Catholic and evangelical voters. The effort included videos from Obama and Vice President Joe Biden, a Catholic, talking about their Christian faith.
Obama's success among some religious demographics also illustrated how economic issues, as opposed to culture war concerns, dominated the election cycle.
The defeat Tuesday of two Republican Senate candidates who made national headlines with anti-abortion remarks also raised questions about the Christian right’s power.
In Missouri, U.S. Senate candidate Todd Akin, who in August walked back his remark that "if it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down," lost his bid to unseat Sen. Claire McCaskill, a Democrat.
Akin’s campaign became a national cause for conservative Christian activists after the Republican Party abandoned the candidate and encouraged him to drop out over his abortion remark.
In Indiana, Republican Senate candidate Richard Mourdock lost his race against Democrat Joe Donnelly after saying last month that pregnancies resulting from rape are “something that God intended to happen.”
Conservative Christians did claim some victories Tuesday night, including helping the GOP retain control of the U.S. House of Representatives and helping elect tea party favorite Ted Cruz as a U.S. senator from Texas.
Ralph Reed, the leader of conservative group the Faith & Freedom Coalition, planned a Wednesday morning press conference to release his data about what he called the enduring influence of “values voters.”
“Preliminary evidence is they turned out and they voted heavily for Romney,” Reed said in an e-mail message Tuesday night.
the born again Christian beat the cult member...not sure the religious right is dead
Obama's "old time" Christian, not new-fangled born again.
Obama, Born Again?
Wait for his memoirs dude!
He no more believes than I do.
He lied, and God Bless him for it!!!!!
Now if Scalia would drop dead, we might actually be able to fix this country
He lied, eh? I wonder what else he's lying about.
TING, that small quiet sound you hear in the elevator, or from a bicycle bell, or at the end of the clamour of bells on Sunday. Most ignore it, because their minds are elsewhere; but it says, 'There Is No God'. TING.
How ironic it is that so many people miss this particular epiphany.
I of course started to wonder that the same time that I figured out that there was no Santa Claus. Only so many passes of the plate, prayers that go unanswered, and seeing how bad the world can be sometimes taught me long ago that you should only count on yourself and those around you. There is no way that prayer does anything but settle the emotions of those that are praying. Helps them to sleep at night to offload their issues onto something else. I am sure that most don't actually think that when they are facing a crisis that suddenly god will take it away. Christians come up with all kinds of reasons for this phenomenon. God works on his time, you have a cross to bear, pray harder, blah, blah, blah, then when something happens that looks like it has solved your problem it is a miracle. The circle of deception continues.
I have not dared say this before. Obama was raised Unitarian. It was a Unitarian church where his grand mother and grand father went. Once a Unitarian always a Unitarian. But you can't be one and get elected, so change your spots.
Christianity is getting what it deserves for using satan and jesus communist propaganda to murder people under the guise that it is satan doing it and trying to force people into worshiping a false god named jesus or another false god named satan. Communists injected punk rock and other forms of communism into the church a long time ago. That accompanied with their rapists and pedophiles, communists have overtaken the christian church. Commmunist corporations have long been using the devide and conquer tactic to control the politicians and with them the federal authorities that refuse to protect the citizens. The christian based F.B.I. in california for example is nothing but communist christians allowing hate crimes and murder against the entire white race. Who will stand against me in a court of law in front of ODIN and everyone and try to prove me false? I have never seen justice in america because it does not exist here in the communist land. Only a gulagh state exists.
There is the moderate religious right, and then there are people like you who need psychiatric help.
It's funny how an election defeat brings the nutjobs out in droves. Or maybe it's just CNN.
you will burn in time...along with the rest of us
You f***ing moron....Liberals ARE pink commies...You poor thing! So ignorant you can't grasp socio-political constructs for what they are...Godless cowards....Bring on armageddon
And this is why you don't drink the bong water
If they are stupid enough to think that the hostile oppressive positions of the corrupt church leadership is God's law then they deserve to get scammed out of their money like they do.
OR, maybe some, even just a few, will start to recognize that Progressives/Liberals are more in line w/the teachings of Jesus Christ as found in the Four Gospels & that their Religous/Political leaders are Modern Day Pharisees.
I meant to say "There is also no question that the influence of the religious right will dramatically decline in the future as our nation evolves (I love that word)." Oops!
Look around , our nation is devolving into ruin. We are fulfilling Gods word. It was predicted thousands of years ago, and now is coming true. God help our nation.
Our nation started devolving into ruin in 1913 with the creation of the Federal Reserve.
@Gordon. Ah, yes, 1913. Year our income tax was born for us to enjoy.
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It may be a bit too early to claim complete victory over the religious right crazies. However, there is no question that they continue to turn off an increasing number of people with their absolutist extremism. There is also question that the influence of the religious right will dramatically decline in the future as our nation evolves (I love that word).
Though Christianity is declining in America as well as godless western Europe, it is growing dramatically in Africa, Asia, and S. America. In fact, these countries are sending missionaries to the west to evangelize and spread Christianity.
Be careful not to gloat, unbelievers. Jesus said that even the gates of hell won't prevail against the church.
We teach socialism in schools now..... The new religion that allows all the perversions that conventional religions do not allow. There is no separation of church and state, just a new set of preachers and moral standards.
You have no idea what socialism is. You have no idea what is going on in the world.
There's nothing in the street
Looks any different to me
And the slogans are replaced, by-the-bye
And the parting on the left
Is now the parting on the right
And the beards have all grown longer overnight
@merlin66... I live on the road. I have been around the world at least 4 times in the past 5 years. You are the one that has not a single clue as to what is going on. All you can do is just point a finger...... Go look in the mirror to see who doesn't know.
This is just silly and makes you sound small. The only lessons in socialism are related to history units and arguments on civics. What are you proposing happen in the classroom? Teach creationism? That gays are evil because a book says so? Let's hate those hazaras, right? I swear that the terms socialism and communism are so misunderstood by the general public, that when the real threat of either comes to fruition, many people will happily choose it.
And for those who think the Christian right is the pulse of the country, it is time to stop fooling yourself. Divorce, infidelity, abortion, gay marriage, legalization of marijuana, provide a speck of how diverse the country truly is. Religious freedom promises one thing: that you can't be told to practice anything other than what you believe. I don't see anyone stopping Christians, Jews, or Muslims from practicing their faith. Just don't push it onto other people.
"Those who say they know, know nothing at all. And those who say nothing, do." – Zen quote.
If you're such a world traveller, then why would you ever hold the belief that you know everything?
@ Chris..... I do not believe in God, Socialism or Communism. To me they are all religions that should be banned. You assume too much.
Then I'm sorry. I must have misread your post. I thought you were advocating that something else in your point. My mistake and sorry.
@ Chris. I appreciate that you are standing up for what you believe in... Even if we do not understand each other.. Thanks.
wizzzard in the sky: It makes sense not to believe in God as God is as yet impossible to prove. It is foolish not to believe in Socialism or Communism as they have been and continue to be practiced throughout the world. I believe you wanted to say that You don't think Socialism and Communism are legitimate or maybe successful forms of government or social order.
I am not aware that schools in the US are teaching socialism. Care to provide some evidence to back that up?
I doubt it but I can only hope the religious extremists hold on US politics is at an end! I feared the way their political power block was taking our country closer and closer to a theocracy!! The GOP were trying to pass more and more legislation that was rooted in religious dogma! They were put back in power in 2010 to work for JOBS and yet what do they do, practically nothing but social legislation, anti-abortion, anti-gay, thankfully the American people pretty much stopped that last night! If Romney had been installed as President he would have gotten the chance to put very conservative justices in the SCOTUS! This would have affected the US detrimentally for 40 more more years to come, now thankfully there will be moderates installed instead!
America is, and has been, strong when our values align with God's. When we start rejecting and even persecuting those of faith in God, with all the good work they do, we start going in a path that will not lead to prosperity..
America is, and has been, strong when our values align with Aragorn, son of Arathorn. When we start rejecting and even persecuting those of faith in Aragorn, son of Arathorn, with all the good work they do, we start going in a path that will not lead to prosperity.. but into the Eye of Sauron.
Many Americans don't want to live in the repressive hate-filled kind of place this country would become if the Talibangelicals called the shots.
Joe, that is so not true, and you are spouting your religious BS. You are full of it. There is no sky-fairy you call goD. Your babblebook is pure, for the most part, ignorant nonsense as well.
Joe, people have used their religious teachings to justify discrimination against Native Americans, African Americans, minority religious groups, woman and interracial couples. History provides the moral judgment, and we do not have to be theologians engaged in scriptural debates to point people to the judgment rendered by history.
God told you that, right? Did he use a talking snake or a talking bush this time? Or maybe he switched to a talking orangatang, something more in line with your IQ.
"God" does not equal prosperity. Otherwise Las Vegas would be poor and the Taliban rich. Just so STUPID! Most of the time religious implies poor and ill-informed.
Gondor has no pants. Gondor needs no pants.
Excuse me, I thought America was founded for freedom, equality and justice for ALL!
Where do you get this God stuff?? This is not a religious state, but a united state. You want strengh and comfort from God, go to church or pray at your home...but keep church out of Government...Because God doesn't need a government to run his people. People need government to run themselfs... there is a difference between man's laws and god's laws.
Rule of thumb: If it's here, God created it!
I love the way people like you think they speak for God.
I get really tired of some republicans thinking they have the lock on being Christian. I am a very spiritual and religous person who is very active in my christian church and I am also a proud democrat. I know many christian democrats. I also get tired of being accused of not being the "right kind of christian". Whether I am a true christian or not is between me and God not me and republicans.
wishful thinking and makes no sense whatsoever - this country will move faster and have less waste and hate without religion. Religion holds this country back in so many ways and most of the world laughs at us because of it
So we should believe in God so we can remain rich? How morally courageous.
Albie if you think religion is holding this country back try living in Afghanistan or Pakistan the Taliban has these countries living in the literal stone age the thing holding this country back is greed and a mistaken belief in the Ayn Rand theory of "i got mine too bad about you if you're not careful i'lll have yours too"
It's nice to know that America still values honesty, even if it's only by the smallest of margins. It's nice to know that a campaign based on lies cannot yet fool the majority, and that the smears that have plagued our President from the likes of Newt Gingrich and Donald Trump (and why does he even matter?) are not believed by rational Americans.
Of course, the republicans will continue their obstructionist ways, and the evangelicals will continue their fight to destroy Consti.tutional freedom, but at least there a glimmer of hope for this country.
Well said, my friend.
The Christian right's influence represents EVERYTHING that is wrong with America and are holding America back and keeping it from progressing in the 21st century. Instead they prefer to cling to irrelevant, mythological, often-delusional, irrational, and out-dated ideologies. Honestly they're no better than their hard-like Iranian counterparts. Just flip sides of the same hypocritical coin.
You're right, we represent everything wrong. You are absolutely no different than what you seem to stand against. If people ever ask what I am, I normally respond "An American" however, yes..I do tend to lend towards the right. There are people of character & integrity on both sides, as well as people who disgust me. I read my fb last night, completely horrified at what friends from both parties were saying...I chose to speak up only once & it was to defend my husband, who is a staunch Democrat. Why is it ok for you to bash a group of people & assume they're all the same...but if they happen to disagree w/you, they're what's "wrong w/America?" Laughable.
I love how the naysayers to Christianity love to point out many negative things that happened in history. Like we Christians nowadays have anything to do with the Crusades. Seriously! I guess the Southern Baptist Conventions Disaster Team should pull out of Rockways, NY. They are serving twelve thousand meals per day there. Maybe my church should stop feeding the homeless and low income people, stop helping Native Americans, or a children's home. Maybe all churches need to stop donating to Operation Christmas Child ... or reaching out to help their communties. I do not hear any of you stepping in to assist. You are all quick to blame those who believe in God. Most of us are nice people who want to help others. Most Christians that I know do not push their beliefs on anyone. They are good people who care about others. Please don't lump us in with the loonies. Stereotypes are bogus and you know it.
Mary if you don't won't to be lumped in with the loonies then you guys need to do something about throwing them out of the Republican Party.
religion is so yesterday. Let's move on.
Sorry you feel that way Marty. I hope you don't feel the same way about the future, because it is your future that is in question. Have you reall y investigated The Bible, or are you one of those people who are SO INTELLIGENT that you don't need God in your life??? Hmmm? Do you feel like anything is missing???
Uh, Bob? There isn't' a shred of evidence to prove the existence of any god. You are simply clinging to your ignorance, perhaps because you are afraid to be responsible for your own actions.
Bob, it will mean that discrimination will end. Religion has been used to justify discrimination against Native Americans, African Americans, minority religious groups, woman and interracial couples. History provides the moral judgment, and we do not have to be theologians engaged in scriptural debates to point people to the judgment rendered by history. Religion has been wrong.
It's called religious freedom for a reason, yo. Try practicing it and we'll see some real peace on Earth.
It's hard to respond to all of you, but I'll try. I am o.k. with the way the election went. For those who don't understand, let me make an attempt at explaining:
There is a God. One True God. tallulah13, sorry you don't know Him.
The God of the universe uses believers AND unbelievers to accomplish His will. That's the reason He's God, and well, I'm just me.
Religious freedom does include ALL religions in our country. I'm actually thankful for that. And, by the way Chris, that also applies to Christians. Get it??
Brent, don't let your eternal destination depend on what humans do. MAN will always let you down. That is precisely why God wants a PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP with us.
To all of you: You're smart enough to get on this site and make comments. Ask youself this question...What if I'm wrong? What can I lose? But if I'm right, what can I gain? The answer is obvious to those who know God.
I know there'll be many responses to what I've said. That's good. At least consider what the stakes are. Open a Bible and ask God to help you as you read and really study His Word. I'm not a guy who takes what is being said as personal. It's not me who is offended. But guess who you are offending???
Pascal's Wager? That's all you've got? LOL!
Bob....let's start a discussion with a bit of intellectual honesty.....I will admit there is chance I'm wrong in saying I dont' think a god exists because there's absolutely no evidence to support the claim and actually a fair bit that suggests the opposite..will you do the same? Will you admit there's a chance you're wrong because like it or not, there is a chance......no religious person I've ever met will make that admission because they perceive it as a betrayal of faith
It is not just a smack-down of the "Christian Right's Influence" on people and politics.
I have several family members who get basically... *all* of their information from *FOX News.*
Years of a steady stream of the continual hate-filled ridiculous messages from Fox News have made some of my relatives and friends some of the most *bitter* and *hate-filled* people I know.
One relative in particular won't even talk to me hardly, and blames me and all the rest of the liberal-commies for President Obama. He says that "Obysmal" is as bad as "Hitler." When you have someone who equates our President with Hitler, would require such a distorted world-view that can only be achieved by watching the nonsense that comes with Fox News.
Another relative, after going several rounds of debate, with the same old rhetoric from Fox News, I was very easily able to prove him through *Fact Checking* the ridiculousness of his beliefs.
And... what did this particular relative do when after several smack-downs of his Fox News talking points...? He said really... he just "Is tired of seeing a **Fvcking N igger** in the White house. This is insanity at a level that is beyond any kind of rational or reasonable thinking(to put it mildly).
Getting these people to **Fact Check** the hate-filled drivel from Fox is something they won't do, because hey... Fox is fair and balanced.
So, I would suggest, that it's not just the "Christian Right's Influence" that is so outrageous and has probably been a major contributor to the GOP losing yet another election because of the sheer insanity, but the crazy outrageous and steady-stream of hate-filled commentary of lies that comes from Fox News that makes for a pretty -uniformed- GOP party.
Christians and GOPer's... please look past your own 'confirmation bias' at other sources... not just Fox.
You will find that we may be able to have some real dialogue based on true facts about what's really going on.
Basing your vote on who is going to over-turn Roe v. Wade, or make marriage for one man/one woman 'only' etc... is such a myopic and ill-informed strategy.
Face it... the Country is changing... and you can keep your "conservatism" or be dragged kicking and screaming into the real world and the 21st Century.
I agree, and right now watching facebook is like a trainwreck you can't look away from. I had someone in my feed say "I think it's about time for a civil war." Really? YOU feel that the government has trampled your rights so severly that you think we should engage in armed conflict that pits Americans against each other and draws nothing but our own blood? NA dhtat's reasonable? I understand being dissapointed that the candidate you wanted lost (though I can't undersand why you'd want him since their campaign was based pretty much entirely on lies), but the vitriol of the responses coming out is insane.
Thank you for expressing all of my frustrations within my own family structure. So much hate mongering...and I do not think it is what any religion is about – Christian or other. I have not been disenfranchised by the vote...but choosing not to argue with my family which is by in large shifted to the right. It is not worth the pain...but I agree with everything you said from the mental programming available via Fox on down. I would dearly love the term 'moderate' to no longer be a hateful term...and that all Americans can benefit from the middle ground.
Yes, it's insane. And, in essence, arguably... we already 'are' in a "civil war."
The hate-filled rhetoric has become so intense from the 'right' especially the social conservative and tea-partiers, that we are quickly becoming a nation that can't have any rational discussion on the issues.
And as for an 'actual' "civil war" there are many in this country that would likely welcome and encourage it.
We must stay vigilant against the absolute *nutters* or *low information voters* that are Fox News junkies of our society.
I understand, Ella... and know what you are going through. I hope that things get better for you.
Unfortunately, for the my family and friends that are entrenched in such insanity, I fear there is no hope to get better.
Their beyond extreme political views are more important than 'family.'
How's that for the so-called value voters and people that allegedly value family so much.
The hypocrisy is mind-boggling.
Sounds like some of my red-neck relations. Of course, since most of the men-folk are gone, they'd be too genteel to evoke the "N" word.
ne phrase says it all..."Is tired of seeing a **Fvcking N igger** in the White house"...When confronted with facts, the truth is revealed...When my fundamentalist Christian relatives suddenly side with the Mormon branch of my family tree..after years of squabbling about who is really Christian...racism...plain and simple.
Another nail in the crucifix of the religious right.
Well done Democrats!
Soon, Obama shall become more forceful in restricting religious incursions into secular society.
Hopefully, in the near future, demographics shall force the Republicans to the left, or force them into extinction.
With at least one SCOTUS appointment (and perhaps as many as three) Obama can prevent any further rightward drift of the court.
With Scalia at 76 years and 7 months and Uncle Clarence at 64 and 4 but patently obese and fixing for a coronary, the future looks bright!!
Plus Kennedy and Ginsburg might both retire soon.
The 5-4 conservative split might even end up a 7-3 liberal split.
This is going to be INTERESTING
7-3 meaning a gray appointment
The court maxes at 9, but appointments have become wildcards in the past!
You are so right for the majority of American they really had not idea how important this election was to us progressives. Nominating two more liberal surpreme court jusitices will all but put an end to thie right wing christian nuts that want to take away a woman's right to chose. I have NO problem with religion just keep it to yourself and keep it the hell out of my govt. I want people to make decisions based on fact not some 2,000 year old book. This was the elction of the century Go Progressives WE are never going back to the 1950's again.
Congratulations to Obama. I don't like him, but he's a better choice than a guy who thinks he should have dominion over a woman's body and his running mate who takes the award for being the world's only Catholic conservative objectivist.
To the Christian Right...have you figured it out yet? God IS a Democrat.
Old Testament God is a Fascist.
God is neither.
You people will rue the day you mock God.
Cindy your god doesn't exist.
Mocking God is akin to mocking Mickey Mouse.
When was the last time someone got turned into a pillar of salt?
God doesn't doesn't smite people the way He used to.
Yeah, careful! He'll tell the Tooth Fairy to stop leaving money under your pillow, and Santa Claus to stop giving you presents!
" You people will rue the day you mock God."
Mommy, that mean man made fun of Santa. Don't he know Santa will put coal know his stocking for saying that?
I got a place near the beach in Point Pleasent.
The town is tricked up bad! Mob runs the whole thing. Straight up Jersey Shore bozo's with spray tans and bufant hairdo's
Their Night club is now somewhere near France.
If the Jeebus Freaks say it is his will, who am I to blame them?
Hoping for a nice vig from FEMA as well, so let Jeebus work in his mysterious ways, at least until I can cash the check.
Cindy. Plain and simple... you are coo-coo, and your sky-fairy is a joke. Rational and sane people laugh at your delusional state of mind. Live life, but not for a goD.
Hopefully the Christian Right's influence disappears... along with the Christian Right... altogether....
Why don't we leave God out of politics. Believe in whatever you want to believe in, this is your personal freedom and your free choice, that is agreed on by my God by the way. On the other hand I have the right to believe in Christianity, in the Bible and above all in God. This has nothing to do with being democrat or republican, and it is not for Obama or Romney to choose for me.
Too true Wafaie:
The biggest problem, of course, comes when people over-step the bounds of religious freedom. God, churches, and those of faith do not need to disappear from this country; rather, people who use the aforementioned to spread hate and control. This election serves as a reminder that the Christian mandate of controlling women's bodies, telling gay people they're evil and can't access our liberties, or that the future is something to be feared are not relevant in politics. Let people choose their life, regardless of your religion, and if you believe in God, he will sort out the picture in the end.
The crazy thing is if we truly think an election will take away or change what is God ordained, then we are lost already. Ecclest: 3 clearly states that everything happens when and how it is supposed to happen. It's amazing how we can not mix "Church and State" which was stated in a letter Jefferson wrote to a pastor to ensure that the Government would not control the thoughts or speech of the church, and some how this letter became an unwritten law in which we hold dear to our hearts.. why? Whatever is going to happen, will happen..Some people keep trying to but God in their own mental box–and put limits and restrictions on him because they believe in limits and restrictions. WAKE UP people, He's bigger than you and Our Political Views. No matter who you voted for, you exercised your rights! Once you cast your ballad, it gets put back in God's Hands. He knows what is best for us, and sometimes we just have to trust him–Trust HIM not Man
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Keesha, shut the fu*ck up and go away with this nonsense.
Actually, Keesha, the separation of church and state was a deliberate action to prevent religion from directing government. Our Founding Fathers had the wisdom to understand that religion is the enemy of freedom.
But all you ignorant nutters kept saying that god wanted Romney to win. I guess your god was wrong. Or he lied.
Really? So this entire article is about the continuing decline of the Christian Rights influence in America's politics and your statement is "It's OK, because God is the one making the choices." I refuce to believe in your God who "Preordained everything" yet one of the first things he did was give people the freedom of CHOICE. You cannot have it both way! Either we have the freedom to choose our paths, or he already chose them for us and we really don't have the freedom of choice, we just fall blindly into your God's will regardless of what we do.
Well at least you aren't one of those hateful people that is throwing a temper tantrum on the other chat blogs...
Keesha. See how IMPOTENT your goD is?
Keesha is a rightwing nutso!
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