By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor
Washington (CNN) – For many conservative Christian leaders, it was a nightmare scenario: Barack Obama decisively re-elected. Same-sex marriage adopted by voters in some states. Rigorously anti-abortion candidates defeated in conservative red states.
On multiple levels, Tuesday’s election results raised questions about the Christian right’s agenda on American politics, eight years after the movement helped sweep President George W. Bush into a second term and opened the era of state bans on same-sex marriage.
“For the first time tonight, same-sex marriage has been passed by popular vote in Maine and Maryland,” said Robert P. Jones, a Washington-based pollster who specializes in questions about politics and religion.
“The historic nature of these results are hard to overstate,” Jones said. “Given the strong support of younger Americans for same-sex marriage, it is unlikely this issue will reappear as a major national wedge issue.”
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Some conservative evangelical leaders echoed that line. Albert Mohler, who heads the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, said on Twitter that votes for same-sex marriage suggested that “we are witnessing a fundamental moral realignment of the country.”
A Tuesday ballot measure to legalize same-sex marriage in Washington state is still pending. In Minnesota, voters rejected a Tuesday measure that would have banned same-sex marriage there.
Thirty-eight states have banned same-sex marriage, mostly via constitutional amendments.
Obama’s victory also raised questions about the Christian right's influence in the electorate.
Though evangelical leaders as diverse as the Southern Baptist Convention’s Richard Land and Christian icon Billy Graham voiced support for Mitt Romney (Graham stopped short of an official endorsement), Obama performed better among white evangelicals than he did in 2008 in some states.
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In swing state Ohio, exit polls showed that Obama got 30% support among white evangelicals. While that’s hardly a victory, it’s better than the 27% support Obama got among those voters four years ago.
Before the election, many evangelical leaders predicted that opposition to Obama over his support for abortion rights, his personal endorsement of same-sex marriage and his vision of government as a force for good would trump reservations evangelicals had about Romney’s past social liberalism and his Mormon faith.
“There is no evidence in voting patterns that President Obama's 'evolution' on same-sex marriage cost him anything,” Mohler said in another tweet Tuesday night.
Obama also narrowly won Catholics, even after the U.S. Catholic bishops waged a rigorous campaign against the Obama administration around the issue of religious liberty. The bishops alleged Obama was forcing Catholics to violate their own teachings by making health insurance companies provide free contraception coverage for virtually all employees.
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John Green, a religion and politics expert at the University of Akron, said Obama’s win among Catholics was partly a testament to the growing Latino demographic.
“Maybe Hispanic Catholics were not as moved by religious liberty-type arguments as by immigration and economics,” he said.
Unlike in 2004, when John Kerry – a former altar boy – lost Catholic voters, the Obama campaign had a robust religious outreach program aimed largely at Catholic and evangelical voters. The effort included videos from Obama and Vice President Joe Biden, a Catholic, talking about their Christian faith.
Obama's success among some religious demographics also illustrated how economic issues, as opposed to culture war concerns, dominated the election cycle.
The defeat Tuesday of two Republican Senate candidates who made national headlines with anti-abortion remarks also raised questions about the Christian right’s power.
In Missouri, U.S. Senate candidate Todd Akin, who in August walked back his remark that "if it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down," lost his bid to unseat Sen. Claire McCaskill, a Democrat.
Akin’s campaign became a national cause for conservative Christian activists after the Republican Party abandoned the candidate and encouraged him to drop out over his abortion remark.
In Indiana, Republican Senate candidate Richard Mourdock lost his race against Democrat Joe Donnelly after saying last month that pregnancies resulting from rape are “something that God intended to happen.”
Conservative Christians did claim some victories Tuesday night, including helping the GOP retain control of the U.S. House of Representatives and helping elect tea party favorite Ted Cruz as a U.S. senator from Texas.
Ralph Reed, the leader of conservative group the Faith & Freedom Coalition, planned a Wednesday morning press conference to release his data about what he called the enduring influence of “values voters.”
“Preliminary evidence is they turned out and they voted heavily for Romney,” Reed said in an e-mail message Tuesday night.
they should all move to israel and die for the second coming...
Rush is not on loan from God. When will my fellow Republicans wake up
. The founding fathers knew what they were doing. On that establishment of religion thing.
God will do fine with out some of the nut cases who say they have God on their side.If you love your brother and honor God...thats a great plan.
Love all serve all..
After all have been said and done, the final question is: Will my actions, my faith, my religion and my lifestyle, lead me to ETERNAL LIFE? Or ETERNAL DEATH?
GOD in His goodness and LOVE, wants us to be with Him in Heaven. It is therefore our choice: Heaven or Hell!
For those who believe, no explanation is necessary. For those who do not believe, no explanation if possible.
Stalin does not send anyone to the Gulag.
It is those who have hardened their hearts against him who send themselves to the Gulag through their bourgoise atti/tudes and counter-revolutionary actions.
This was not Stalin's plan at all. He truly wants everyone to go to the Worker's Paradise and it grives him that so many harden their hearts against him.
But he will not force anyone into tHE Worker's Paradise against their wishes. He respects their free will.
If you don't want to go to tHE GUlag, just open your heart to the love of Stalin.
If no explanation is possible, why do you evangelize?
Have you ever even really thought about eternity. The first few 1,000 years in "heaven" may be fun, but after that it will be maddening and youll not want to exist anymore.
Too bad fairy tales aren't real.
Get help...santa does not exist
you DO realize that it is impossible for people to fear judgement from a being in which they do not believe, DON'T you?
If god is omniscient, what is the point of evangelizing?
"Have you ever even really thought about eternity. The first few 1,000 years in "heaven" may be fun, but after that it will be maddening and youll not want to exist anymore."
Not to mention that those who will spend time in this dubious "heaven" will have had people in their lives who were not "saved"...
To their way of thinking, these unsaved will spend eternity in torment
Are they comfortable knowing that people who they may have known to be decent, loving and caring are being tortured until the end of time?
Are the comfortable spending eternity with the being that would sentence people to this?
I find it odd that people seek to spend eternity with a being from whom they have to be "saved"
So, it all boils down to how your life choices affect your future, and not how they affect others, eh? How very selfish!
'Have you ever even really thought about eternity. The first few 1,000 years in "heaven" may be fun, but after that it will be maddening and youll not want to exist anymore.'
There is nothing that I'd rather do than sit around for all of eternity singing songs about a psychotic obsession over the blood of a 1st century middle eastern man.
I think a lot of Christians imagine just spending eternity in God's presence, like being strung out on LSD forever. An equally pointless and empty way to "be", I'd say.
The corporations that used the racism and fear of god in the south to win elections just is not working anymore.
This is because the south is becoming more educated.
I should not have said the south specifically, really just rural areas are perhaps becoming more educated.
It's all part of the general spread of knowledge, largely brought on by the internet. And you'r right it's not just the South. The fear-mongers are losing influence in the Midwest as well.
The South is about 100 years behind...give them time..they will learn not to drag their knuckles on the ground.
Close your mouth before someone sticks a d!ck in it.
Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha
So tell me in all honesty, did you find that funny?
It may be spam, but I laughed.
I have a funny feeling that is not really Tom, Tom. Someone loves to steal her handle.
Thank You could not have said it better. Maybe the church should stick to what they know like feeding the poor and helping the sick and down and out. If they keep wanting to play politics they should have there tax exempted status taken away.
Explain this. The population is divided into two camps (just about in half). One of the candidates speaks. The two camps hear two different things. One group sees through his every word as a lie, every logic is faulty. The other group cheers and is impressed how eloquently the truth was delivered. Now the second candidate speak and the same scenario...
Is this MAN's (as in Mankind) natural condition. One party could not exist without it's opposite.
Like every other time when two conflicting versions of "the truth" are laid before us the real test comes in the fact checking, and it's obvious that the Romney campaign's pants were on fire far more than the Obama camp's, especially near the end. That whole Chrysler/China lie was so over the top they really must have been desperate.
This is great news. Religion is a personal matter and should have no place in politics. The religious right here in America are by far the greatest threat to the future of our nation. Believe what you want, but when you try to bring your religion into legislation and politics, it ruins everything.
THAT IS TOTAL BULL SH IT
I agree With you...not that what you think is BS.....
You are so right. Where do some people get off thinking that their religions morals and values should apply to everyone? It's an issue of egocentricism. Religious people in the USA think they are the center of the universe and it's going to ultimately be their down fall. There are too many non-white non-christians in America and the number's only increasing..
Right on man...separation of church and state all the way
Let's hope the tea-party loonies don't try to hide their next republician pick. after all christians don't mine telling so called white lies. So their next candidates won't let their real motives be know. they won't talk abt abortion or gay rights or the other crap they are interested in. but once elected they will show their true face.
well maybe it should be, but I would replace "politics" with "public service" (related – see my larger post below with Madison quote).
I don't think it will be helpful to scream about religion being in politics anymore than pro-lifer's screaming that certain people are baby killers. It's just screaming. Referencing religious belief can, in certain instances, make the candidate sound stupid of course (Aiken, Mourdock), but with the religious demographics of the country, you have to expect that religion will play a political role for quite some time.
Separation of church and state addresses some issues about religious intrusion into public service as well as ensuring religious freedom. That is much more narrow than "politics".
I agree. Flip through the cable channels and treat yourself with the most bizarre statements and actions. I.e healing the sick through the TV, as well as all sorts of predictions that are never accurate, hating on anyone with a life style or belief different from their own. Then switch to the news and watch many of the leaders taking the Perp walk.
I know what you mean. The unwritten rule seems to be "Lie, cheat, and basically do whatever underhanded thing you like as long as you believe it helps Christianity, and that Jesus will forgive you because of this." It's the hight of hypocrisy.
Not ALL tea partiers are bad... We just had one shoot himself to death when he learned President Obama had won! :-)
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It's unfortunate that the Republican Party did not seize on the momentum of the Tea Party and split them off into a separate political party. While it would have temporarily weakened them, in the long run it would have made them stronger by attracting new centrist voters who have stayed away because of the party pandering to the "far Right". I still believe the far right (including the overtly religious) will eventually split off but I can see it taking much longer now. In the meantime the Republican Party will continue to lose elections.
They didn't stay away, they're just vastly outnumbered. The demographic in the USA has changed so much, most people don't even realize the extent. Marijuana legalization, a general acceptance of gay marriage, a general acceptance of abortion, I mean damn. Times have changed.
Lots, especially the fat slobs in power chairs whose only disability is laziness and the lack of willpower to quit smoking and junk food, just couldn't wait in line for a couple of hours. Gone are the times when their church bus could chauffeur them right up to the door of the polling station and get them back home right before their soaps started for the day.
Seems like the Romans thought the Christian movement was over too. Wake up people, you cant beat something greater than mankind itself.
Hinduism is older than the Abrahamic religions and still has millions of devout followers.
I guess they must be right since they had the answers first.
Kind of hard to be "older" than creation. You are sadly mistaken about hindus
Truth be Told: But if you truly believe in creation, then the universe is only 7000 years old. Science says it's over 13 Billion years old. You can't beat science in that one, so I'll just trust in science being right. Sorry "God" but your story is too short to explain the scientific evidence to the contrary.
No Hinduism is in fact older. This is indisputable.
@Truth Be A Troll
The Hindus say that the god Brahma created the Universe at Vishnu's command.
Their hypothesis has just as much evidence going for it as the Abrahamic one – meaning none.
Neither is any more or less credible than the other.
There is no date given for creation only that the God of Abraham created, we are told in the beginning. That predates Hinduism by quite a bit.
Get over yourself. Dominionist theocrats do NOT speak on behalf of Christianity. There are millions of us who understand that the separation of church and state is a protection, not a threat, to our right to worship and live as Christians. And we're not as easy to buy off as your favorite pulpiteer.
That is an lame reply. Right back to you moron.
@Vestipuke (Ha ha! Cap'n Sayin Nope Atheism Isn't an Angry Pervery Regonzo Rangerfield is getting witty)
Every religion has their creation myths, many of them pre-dating the Bible's story by thousands of years.
Shintos believe Izanagi and His wife/sister Izanami created the world.
The Inuit say it was The Raven.
There is a Chinese myth that says the Universe was created by Pan-Gu and mankind is but the fleas on His back.
They pretty well all start the same way – first there was nothingness and then a Prime Mover unleashed some magic to build the Universe.
Most of the myths, including the Abrahamic one, have at their core the conceit that Man is the predilect object of some anthropomorphic Creator.
It is extraordinarily unlikely that any of them are factually correct – and highly likely that they are all wrong.
Roman/Western culture is currently and will be diluted in the future to something different. It is a meme that will evolve and change and is not greater than mankind but part of it. There is very little that is greater than mankind that we have created, perhaps the voyager probes that are finally leaving the solar system.
You inject yourself into American issues as if you had something to say you openly belittle and insult and appear indignant when you are responded to in the same way. Who do you think you are? Doc Vestipuke suits you better.
Creation myths are not an American issue.
Giving a quick overview of some of them is not belittling, insulting or indignant.
Facts are sterile, neither vulgar nor sublime.
The Romans blamed the foreign cults, including Christianity, for their decline. Christianity was one of those things that swayed the Romans away from the "principles that made them great", like in that Chinese Takeover campaign ad.
"There is no date given for creation only that the God of Abraham created, we are told in the beginning. That predates Hinduism by quite a bit."
Because it's in a book, it must be true. The fact that it was written by a human with less knowledge of the universe than the average 4 year old is irrelevant. Right?
It is time for the rise of the Christian left. We believe in fiscal responsibility but we also believe in the teachings of Jesus that we are all God's children and all responsible for one another.
And you are as mentally ill as your right wing nutter brothers.
Amen! Many progressive Christians are appalled by hatred and greed disguised as Christian.
CHRISTIANITY DOES NOT BELONG IN POLITICS IN THE USA. We don't need the rise of left wing Christians. We need a rise in free-thinking people.
Gods people are the only free thinking people on the planet.
tbt is a diseased, snivelling sycophant.
I agree with you.
Might I suggest that the Christian Left could accomplish this by directing ALL of its charity efforts and funds towards actually helping the poor, as opposed to wasting them fighting the culture war against gays, women, and science like the Right does? You guys seem to have your priorities in line with Jesus' at least, and that's what Christianity is supposed to be all about, right? I think most of us atheists can see ourselves coexisting happily with moderates who are willing to coexist with us, and everyone else.
Is the Christiaan Right losing influence? Good God, I hope so. Religion, of any faith, does not belong in politics.
As a Christian citizen I will never miss a vote and will have influence in our elections. My right to vote makes some so called enlightened ones scream. While you are screaming I will quietly smile, vote, then go home to my wife of 37 years, work hard, pay my taxes, love my Lord Jesus, and serve my church family. God Bless America!
jack: good for you.
jack: please do not use your vote to deny people their civil rights
As an American citizen, I will never miss a vote. My right to vote my conscience makes most contemporary Christians cringe. While they are cringing, I will quietly smile, vote my conscience, then go home to my wife of 23 years, work hard, pay my taxes, love my family and serve my community.
Well, whether we like it or not, religion is always a big part of politics in the U.S. The demographics support it being a big part.
Of course that's different than suggesting that you can't separate your religious beliefs from your responsibilities in public service. I think it bothered more than a few people then candidate Paul Ryan said: "I don’t see how a person can separate their public life from their private life.” It certainly was a position he should have been able to take, but I'm not sure it's was smart one. To many, I think it suggests that he gives as much or more emphasis on his own personal beliefs as he does entertaining the will of the people who would elect him. It might have been less harmful to him to just flat out say he looks to his God for guidance, because that is a more traditional approach to affirming a candidates belief and doesn't suggestion a possible confusion or conflict or undermining that some might have read into his statement.
We do know from history how some of our key founders felt about mixing religion and public service:
Every new and successful example, therefore, of a perfect separation between the ecclesiastical and civil matters, is of importance; and I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in showing that religion and Government will both exist in greater purity the less they are mixed together.
(Letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822).
Who was James Madison? He was the 4th POTUS, and the chief architect of the U.S. Constitution.
There is no civil right to perversion.
I'm a Christian and I agree. In order to have a nation that has true religious freedom (including freedom from religion for those who choose) religion has to be kept out of our laws. If you believe you should or shouldn't do something because of your religion, then you shouldn't need Uncle Sam to make a law forcing everyone to do that, you should have enough discipline to follow your own beliefs without forcing others to.
So if you believe it is alright to murder then look out because you have the right to murder?
"There is no civil right to perversion."
Of course there is, punk, it's called the 1st amendment.
Gag on it
"So if you believe it is alright to murder then look out because you have the right to murder?" Yeah, truthbetold, you can murder if you think it's ok. Geez. That's the kind of simpleton arguing that will doom the Christian right. Do you think anyone takes you seriously when you say things like that?
@Truth be a Troll
Moral relativism is a truism.
We are selfish creatures by nature, yet our survival depends on cooperation. In order to balance these two conflicting instincts, mankind has had to develop rules that allow room for both.
These rules are not the same for all communities – hence we've had so many different types of religion and government throughout history.
Religion binds communities together by giving a common frame of reference. Shared fears (like divine retribution), hopes (like going to heaven) and rituals allow the instinct for self preservation to extend beyond one's self and immediate family.
This is why the great majority of evolutionary biologists find no conflict between religion and science – as long as religion is recognized solely as a social adaptation.
Our culture has a very strong cannibalism taboo, but it cannot be "human nature" to feel repulsed by it as virtually every branch of the human species has praticed it at some point in their development.The Aztecs believed in transubstantiation. They consumed their human sacrifices in the belief that the dead literally became a part of the God to whom they were given.
Binerwurs in India ate the sick amongst them to please Kali.
The Karankawa, an indigenous Texan tribe, ritualistically consumed their enemies to gain their strength.
The Wari, The Kuru, Fore, Caribs, Fijians, Popayans, Serengipeans, are all fairly modern examples (within the last 500 years).
Indeed, Christians from the 1st Crusade consumed the fallen Arabs at Maarat.
Just be thankful that the modern form is limited to wafers and wine!
The "Christian right" has always been a fringe element in this country. The only mystery is why anybody pays any attention to them it all. It's time to stop pandering to a bunch of kooks and move on to the very real issues facing this country.
I'm old enough to remember them as the "Jesus Freaks" that Elton John mentions in his song Tiny Dancer. They were just as strung out as the hippies to the traditional establishment of their parents. They were just as cultish as the Manson Family too. Some groups still are.
Only for new members of this blog:-–>>>>
As noted many times before the election:
Why the Christian Right no longer matters in presidential elections:
Once again, all the conservative votes in the country "ain't" going to help a "pro-life" presidential candidate, i.e Mitt Romney, in 2012 as the "Immoral Majority" rules the country and will be doing so for awhile. The "Immoral Majority" you ask?
The fastest growing USA voting bloc: In 2008, the 70+ million "Roe vs. Wade mothers and fathers" of aborted womb-babies" whose ranks grow by two million per year i.e. 78+ million "IM" voters in 2012.
And the irony:
And all because many women fail to take the Pill once a day or men fail to use a condom even though in most cases these men have them in their pockets. (maybe they should be called the "Stupid Majority"?)
The failures of the widely used birth "control" methods i.e. the Pill and male condom have led to the large rate of abortions ( one million/yr) and S-TDs (19 million/yr) in the USA. Men and women must either recognize their responsibilities by using the Pill or condoms properly and/or use other safer birth control methods in order to reduce the epidemics of abortion and S-TDs.
i.e. IF THE PILL AND MALE CONDOMS WERE USED PROPERLY, ABORTION WOULD NOT BE AN ISSUE AND OBAMA WOULD NOT BE PRESIDENT.
And to appeal to the Immoral/Stupid Majority, Obama and Axelrod filled the airways with pro- Roe vs. Wade, pro-choice/abortion ads during the last two weeks of the campaign. Said ad expenditures should have been used to promulgate the Brutal Effects of Stupidity as noted previously.
(a closed zipper)
"Reality"?...it's this kind of mentality that is destroying Republican's chances of regaining the presidency...ever!
Separation of church & state...you just don't get it.
Just keep it up!
It is quite foolish to dismiss human nature. We are the most successful species on this planet because we are not good at keeping it our pants. The chemicals released in the brain make sure that condoms are not always used. As for birth control pills, have them federally funded and make sure that they are long lasting shots (in addition to finally releasing the male pill) and this problem you speak of will diminish to the point were it is not worth talking about. Hoping for abstinence is silly and denies human nature.
The reality of se-x, abortion, contraception and STD/HIV control: – from a male agnostic who enjoys intelligent se-x-
Note: Some words hyphenated to defeat an obvious word filter. ...
The Brutal Effects of Stupidity:
: The failures of the widely used birth "control" methods i.e. the Pill (8.7% actual failure rate) and male con-dom (17.4% actual failure rate) have led to the large rate of abortions and S-TDs in the USA. Men and women must either recognize their responsibilities by using the Pill or co-ndoms properly and/or use safer methods in order to reduce the epidemics of abortion and S-TDs.- Failure rate statistics provided by the Gut-tmacher Inst-itute. Unfortunately they do not give the statistics for doubling up i.e. using a combination of the Pill and a condom.
Added information before making your next move:
from the CDC-2006
"Se-xually transmitted diseases (STDs) remain a major public health challenge in the United States. While substantial progress has been made in preventing, diagnosing, and treating certain S-TDs in recent years, CDC estimates that approximately 19 million new infections occur each year, almost half of them among young people ages 15 to 24.1 In addition to the physical and psy-ch-ological consequences of S-TDs, these diseases also exact a tremendous economic toll. Direct medical costs as-sociated with STDs in the United States are estimated at up to $14.7 billion annually in 2006 dollars."
Consumer Reports, January, 2012
"Yes, or-al se-x is se-x, and it can boost cancer risk-
Here's a crucial message for teens (and all se-xually active "post-teeners": Or-al se-x carries many of the same risks as va-ginal se-x, including human papilloma virus, or HPV. And HPV may now be overtaking tobacco as the leading cause of or-al cancers in America in people under age 50.
"Adolescents don’t think or-al se-x is something to worry about," said Bonnie Halpern-Felsher professor of pediatrics at the University of California, San Francisco. "They view it as a way to have intimacy without having 's-ex.'" (It should be called the Bill Clinton Syndrome !!)
Obviously, political leaders in both parties, Planned Parenthood, parents, the "stupid part of the USA" and the educational system have failed miserably on many fronts.
The most effective forms of contraception, ranked by "Perfect use":
– (Abstinence, 0% failure rate)
– (Masturbation, mono or mutual, 0% failure rate)
One-month injectable and Implant (both at 0.05 percent)
Vasectomy and IUD (Mirena) (both at 0.1 percent)
The Pill, Three-month injectable, and the Patch (all at 0.3 percent)
Tubal sterilization (at 0.5 percent)
IUD (Copper-T) (0.6 percent)
Periodic abstinence (Post-ovulation) (1.0 percent)
Periodic abstinence (Symptothermal) and Male condom (both at 2.0 percent)
Periodic abstinence (Ovulation method) (3.0 percent)
Every other method ranks below these, including Withdrawal (4.0), Female condom (5.0), Diaphragm (6.0), Periodic abstinence (calendar) (9.0), the Sponge (9.0-20.0, depending on whether the woman using it has had a child in the past), Cervical cap (9.0-26.0, with the same caveat as the Sponge), and Spermicides (18.0).
Romney lost for one simple reason – religion. Pandering to a religious extremist element that comprises less than 25% of the population lost him too many votes from the 60%+ of the population that is sane and centrist. Much of that population still voted for Romney since Obama is so bad and has proven over the past 4 years that he and his administration have no understanding of what is wrong with the economy, but the insane religious rhetoric turned off enough of the center that it did Romney in.
White men over 50 are no longer in control of the political apparatus. Fundamentalist evangelical Christians have lost power. If you are unable to adapt you hasten your own demise.
Prayer changes things .
LOSER. Even if their was a god he/she would not listen to a loser like you. Praying to yourself is an early sympyom of schophrenia. As Forrest would say crazy is what crazy does.
Only things within the brain of the one doing the praying.
HANDS THAT HELP ARE BETTER THAN LIPS THAT PRAY. Which is going to help the victims of a disaster? Praying or physically helping?? Hmmm???
I would say this recent election pretty much puts paid to that concept.....
you're right! I've been praying for years that religious mental midgets will loose their control of the republican party and american politics. Looks like my prayers have been answered!
Really? So believing and going to Church is healthy? Let's ask the numerous children and now adults who were molested by your neighborhood Priest or other people who work in Churches. YOU HYPOCRITE! Don't babble your senseless garbage that if you don't believe in a God you're nothing. I will put myself up against many of your believers and my morals and ethics will put them to an embarrassing shame. You are one of the biggest reasons this world is so messed up.
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Prayer does not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.
An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.
The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs
Quit trying to force your religion down people's throats and quit trying to pretend your idiotic Christian beliefs are in line with everyone elses thinking.
Christian beliefs are in line with Gods thinking and that is all that matters.
That's all well and good TBT...that is if there was any good reason to believe what you say. It isn't evident AT ALL that you God exists...let alone has silly rules that we should follow. Just becuase YOU believe it doesn't make it true.
Our nations laws are based on Christian ideals of morality. If we do not follow God's rules, whose do we follow? The majority? That thinking led to slavery, racism, and many other social ills.
Well stevie since it isn't your nation then any conversation concerning US is none of your F'n business . There's your sign
What christian ideals of morality? Do you think those didn't exist before christianity came into vogue? But slavery and racism are actually promoted, not vilefied in the Bible. Christians today are moral despite what the good book teaches.
And another troll forgets to change screen names. Well done, dumba$$
Actually Christian thinking lead to slavery. Try learning a little history before you open your foolish mouth.
Really?...christians exist only in the US? Who knew? Oh and nice move calling yourself christopher hitchens...maybe I should follow suit and change my handle to william lane craig.
"Christian beliefs are in line with Gods thinking and that is all that matters."
LOL yeah according to Christians who cant even prove their absolute claims of a god.
" If we do not follow God's rules, whose do we follow? The majority? That thinking led to slavery, racism, and many other social ills."
Actually "gods rules" led to slavery. But since "gods rules" were actually written by men....
what you do stevie as long as you do it in your own backyard. Mind your own fvcking business.
**** god. When I die imma ***** slap him in da face.
isn't it nice to have folks around like Truth who can tell us exactly what God is thinking?
Well there you have it captain asshole... See...the internet IS my backyard and thus the world is my oyster. If seeing my posts gets your panties bunched up then all the better. Suffer.... you loser fuckwad.
Repeating that lie won't make it true. This is a secular nation, always has been.
Next election cycle will be better for the nation is we stop pandering to the far-right "Christian" population. Everyone (even normal christians) can see the hypocrisy from that crowd. They seem to think they speak for God – and yet, they hate the poor, they hate non-whites, they are against abortion – yet love war and guns. Republican and certainly Tea Party politicians come off as puppets as they pander their way through that very small crowd. The RNC this year was a disgrace – all white and hateful. And then they call themselves christians – it if baffles the mind.
Alot of these pretendvangelicals stood up to be counted with a cult member. Mormonism is not christianity. Obama is a christian. Your willful defiance of that basic fact showed you all to be the hypocrits you really are. Not that I ever doubted it. You chose to back a candidate who's own religion is a slap in the face to christianity. Perhaps you need to get your house in order. Or better yet, stay out of politics and stick to the faith thing. I think you'd be more prosperous as a whole if you focused on people that don't have a political agenda. You're splitting your dwindling numbers in half by pandering to one party.
If someone could catch satan and put him in a jar then we'd all have the proof we needed. ;-)
TBT: Really? Where's the mason jar full of evil? Who's hiding it in their pantry?
Dick Cheney's got it. He cuddles with it during evenings...
@truthbetold That's just a dumb response.
He probably meant Calgary – Calgary, Texas.
Calvary refers to the hill Jesus was crucified on. It was there that Satan was defeated or "put in a jar" and it is there that every salvation comes from and it is there that every human ever born must give an account of itself. Gods evidences for all mankind was displayed on a hill outside the walls of Jerusalem in the early 1st century A. D. (in the year of our Lord)
Be sure to put some holes in the top of the jar so satan can breathe.
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