By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor
Washington (CNN) – For many conservative Christian leaders, it was a nightmare scenario: Barack Obama decisively re-elected. Same-sex marriage adopted by voters in some states. Rigorously anti-abortion candidates defeated in conservative red states.
On multiple levels, Tuesday’s election results raised questions about the Christian right’s agenda on American politics, eight years after the movement helped sweep President George W. Bush into a second term and opened the era of state bans on same-sex marriage.
“For the first time tonight, same-sex marriage has been passed by popular vote in Maine and Maryland,” said Robert P. Jones, a Washington-based pollster who specializes in questions about politics and religion.
“The historic nature of these results are hard to overstate,” Jones said. “Given the strong support of younger Americans for same-sex marriage, it is unlikely this issue will reappear as a major national wedge issue.”
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Some conservative evangelical leaders echoed that line. Albert Mohler, who heads the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, said on Twitter that votes for same-sex marriage suggested that “we are witnessing a fundamental moral realignment of the country.”
A Tuesday ballot measure to legalize same-sex marriage in Washington state is still pending. In Minnesota, voters rejected a Tuesday measure that would have banned same-sex marriage there.
Thirty-eight states have banned same-sex marriage, mostly via constitutional amendments.
Obama’s victory also raised questions about the Christian right's influence in the electorate.
Though evangelical leaders as diverse as the Southern Baptist Convention’s Richard Land and Christian icon Billy Graham voiced support for Mitt Romney (Graham stopped short of an official endorsement), Obama performed better among white evangelicals than he did in 2008 in some states.
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In swing state Ohio, exit polls showed that Obama got 30% support among white evangelicals. While that’s hardly a victory, it’s better than the 27% support Obama got among those voters four years ago.
Before the election, many evangelical leaders predicted that opposition to Obama over his support for abortion rights, his personal endorsement of same-sex marriage and his vision of government as a force for good would trump reservations evangelicals had about Romney’s past social liberalism and his Mormon faith.
“There is no evidence in voting patterns that President Obama's 'evolution' on same-sex marriage cost him anything,” Mohler said in another tweet Tuesday night.
Obama also narrowly won Catholics, even after the U.S. Catholic bishops waged a rigorous campaign against the Obama administration around the issue of religious liberty. The bishops alleged Obama was forcing Catholics to violate their own teachings by making health insurance companies provide free contraception coverage for virtually all employees.
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John Green, a religion and politics expert at the University of Akron, said Obama’s win among Catholics was partly a testament to the growing Latino demographic.
“Maybe Hispanic Catholics were not as moved by religious liberty-type arguments as by immigration and economics,” he said.
Unlike in 2004, when John Kerry – a former altar boy – lost Catholic voters, the Obama campaign had a robust religious outreach program aimed largely at Catholic and evangelical voters. The effort included videos from Obama and Vice President Joe Biden, a Catholic, talking about their Christian faith.
Obama's success among some religious demographics also illustrated how economic issues, as opposed to culture war concerns, dominated the election cycle.
The defeat Tuesday of two Republican Senate candidates who made national headlines with anti-abortion remarks also raised questions about the Christian right’s power.
In Missouri, U.S. Senate candidate Todd Akin, who in August walked back his remark that "if it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down," lost his bid to unseat Sen. Claire McCaskill, a Democrat.
Akin’s campaign became a national cause for conservative Christian activists after the Republican Party abandoned the candidate and encouraged him to drop out over his abortion remark.
In Indiana, Republican Senate candidate Richard Mourdock lost his race against Democrat Joe Donnelly after saying last month that pregnancies resulting from rape are “something that God intended to happen.”
Conservative Christians did claim some victories Tuesday night, including helping the GOP retain control of the U.S. House of Representatives and helping elect tea party favorite Ted Cruz as a U.S. senator from Texas.
Ralph Reed, the leader of conservative group the Faith & Freedom Coalition, planned a Wednesday morning press conference to release his data about what he called the enduring influence of “values voters.”
“Preliminary evidence is they turned out and they voted heavily for Romney,” Reed said in an e-mail message Tuesday night.
Evangellical..religion belongs in your home, your church and your heart...NOT in government!! Whose religion are you talking about anyway? Catholic,? Lutherans?, Baptists?, Methodist?Mormans? Church of CHrist? perhaps Seven day Adventists. I am guessing you don't mean a Buddist or Muslim faith. So, who's "Christian" beliefs are going to predominate in this wonderful religious government you propose? Shall we draw straws or fight it out among the sects?
NO, this country was founded on the right to worship as you please, or not if you please. ,The government should in no way have any influence on religous doctrine, ony to give protection to those who want thef freedom to worship in their own way. When a religious group begins to trample on the rights of others, then they are violating the central beliefs of what this country was founded on. Just look at Iran and Iraq, ther perfect example of religious run government. Pray when you are told, wear what you are told, DO as you are told.or suffer punishment at the hands of the church leaders. .No, our funding fathes knew what they were doing when they promoted freedom of religion.along with separation of church and state. Even Christ said that in the Bible.
If you are not a Christian, feel free to leave. Nowhere is a right to disbelief guaranteed in the Const.itution. As to which Christian religion should be put in government, the answer is any. As long as they believe that Jesus is Lord and Savior.
@evan: I'm sorry but we don't live in a Christian theocracy. People of all beliefs are welcome here. If you have an issue with that perhaps you should be the one to leave.
Evan is doing such a great job demonstrating what is so wrong with the religious cult known as christianity. Keep up the great job of showing your kind are complete nut jobs. The reality is your just a loser troll that spends all of their time on here using multiple handles because you don't have a real life, now that's a loser.
I just love how expressing a religious opinion on a BELIEF BLOG somehow makes one a troll. How about all the atheists who really are trolling on a BELIEF BLOG? Second, I post only as myself, and I haven't been on here since last night.
"which Christian religion should be put in government, the answer is any"
how about a mormon, then? But you just said that you and your ilk did not vote for romney because he is a mormon. why the differing opinion suddenly? Careful evan, you are contridicting yourself so much that your true fanatical illogical fundie mind is showing up.
"Nowhere is a right to disbelief guaranteed in the Const.itution."
The Free Exercise clause or the Free Speech clause, take your pick.
The Free Exercise clause includes the freedom to not exercise religion.
The Free Speech clause allows the professing of a lack of belief.
Since when is believing in reality and what can be proven not a form of BELIEF? You believe in fairy tales and old superst.itions if you want to. That's your right, but please allow us to believe in what we judge to be real, OK?
I just had a second while i take a poop and see what the mental defective league is up to. Just wanna ask the christian haters if their parents had any children that lived. It looks like the best part of all of you ran down the crack of your mothers a$$ and ended up as a brown stain on the matress. You must be a bunch of peter puffers! Well all done as you remind me of this toilet paper i just used.
'christian haters'........are you asking people that hate christians or christians that are showing hate?
'just wanted to ask the christian haters if their parents had any children that lived' ?
Well, yeah. Obviously. Way to intelligently state your opinion!
Your right Doc! Christ is King!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you for the proving what I've always thought, most right-wing evangelical extremists can't just type a proper sentence, they also don't know how to articulate an intellectual argument, hence the reason you lost...boo hoo! The next time you want to post absolute crap, pun absolutely intended, please go to a Fox news site and talk to the crazies over there. Oh and good luck brushing your one tooth...make it sparkle!
Wow, you can quote Full Metal Jacket. Congrats on getting them synapses to finally fire.
Now, boy, go home and get your shinebox
dave: he is only king to those who accept his dubious authority. doc here is a punk.
You've very well proven when you're born dumb it's for a long, long time!
The Christian right has become the U.S. Taliban
Science trumps religion. Don't let your mind be held hostage to religion and divine creation. We evolved and science proves it.The universe itself is our creator. It is the incubator for all living things. I do believe that there once was a man called Jesus, but he was just a man, very much like Billy Graham, except for the fact that today we have the evidence and facts that support and prove the theory of evolution. Back in Jesus day and age, mankind could only guess, dream, about their existence and how the earth came to be.They thought the earth was flat, etc. What mankind has done to help them understand how the world came to be is to put a face, name (GOD) on it. The Universe is, always was, always will be, it is our mother and the creator of mankind.
"Science trumps religion."
Science IS a religion.
Science is a tool, a method of gaining knowledge, nothing more.
umm.. god of science farted computer out of his ass? or did he sneeze cellphones out of his nose? weird you are evan..
'Science IS a religion.'
erm, no, not really.
I know the religious lot like to claim anything and everything as a religion in some strange attempt to put their religion on some kind of equal footing to whatever is opposing it but really, you are fighting a losing battle.
@evan: Science is a religion? Is math a religion too? What about history or economics? You do realize how stupid you sound right?
no, eva, science is not a religion.
Yes, mathematics, logic, even economics can be a religion too. It depends whether one uses them as a tool or if one has blind faith in them. Get real!
"Yes, mathematics, logic, even economics can be a religion too. It depends whether one uses them as a tool or if one has blind faith in them. Get real!"
The irony that you would make the first part of the statement and then end it with 'get real' is astounding.
Engilish 101 for you Evan... difference between "can be" and "is".. think before you spew
The heathens are taking over, let go, let them have it, this dump isn't worth it.
Be thankful that as a Christian you won't be here that long.
Dying is easy, it's living in this world knowing evil walks amongst us thats hard.
Yeah, see, you're all going to your super special heaven anyway
So stfu and mind your own business in the meantime
Now, which heaven am I supposed to hope for: Mitt's Mormon heaven where I would get to populate my own planet, the Muslim heaven where I would get a bunch of virgins, the Jewish heaven where Jesus has always lived, the Protestant heaven where you get your own cloud, or the Catholic heaven that has a holding room call Pergatory because I'm confused on which one I should pray for. I know, I won't pray at all because they all figments of someone's imagination. Proud to be a heathen...hope there is beer in Hell...oh but, wait, Hell is your concept not mine so I'm good...whew!
"Dying is easy, it's living in this world knowing evil walks amongst us thats hard."
what are you waiting for? jeebus is waiting. do you have tall buildings where you live?
"Religion is considered by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful" Seneca the Younger
Very well quoted!
The cards are stacked. We fooled the Liberals into putting Obama in line for failure. All we have to do is watch them fail. When money runs out, don't knock on my door unless you eat lead. Stay strong, liberals can't feed themselves.
Running low on tinfoil for your hat
Top Ten Signs You're a Christian in Name Only
10 – You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.
9 – You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.
8 – You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.
7 – Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Al lah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees!
6 – You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.
5 – You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.
4 – You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs – though excluding those in all rival sects – will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."
3 – While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some id iot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove" Christian
2 – You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.
1 – You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, catholicism and church history – but still call yourself a Christian
@ ;P; I don't use tin foil. I use steel for my "hat". I'll save the tin for you. By the way, most people use aluminum foil.
I hope you or your family never needs help. You can die an old and bitter man. I bet you don't even have cats that'll stick around for you. Course, they can eat you after you die, that way we don't have to clean up a big pil of $#!&
@ Whocares. I am not a christian, but I get along with people that do believe.. I do not believe in God(s) and I respect the right for others to believe. I do not like Liberals, socialists and communists. I also don't like my tax money being spent on useless people. Like I said...don't knock on my door when the money runs out.
Tinfoil conducts the alien waves a little better, I heard
So maybe GET some for you HAT.
@ Whocares, I eat cats and dogs. I paid my mortgages off and our leaders just want more of my hard earned money to pay for other people. They should learn to eat cats and dogs too. I have all I need to survive. What are you going to do?
Wiz, I want you to explain to me...I'm puzzled ...why so many of guys like you profess to be Christain evangelicals yet use such hateful retoric? I always thought true Christianity was a calming, loving, turn the other cheek kind of thing. Not "up yours", and "Ive got mine, to hell with you" and "if you are in need and come to my door I'll shoot you". Tell me , is this the new Christianity?
Funny how simple it is for people to trash God and then wonder why the world's going to hell. Funny how we believe what the newspapers say, but question what the Bible says. Funny how you can send 'jokes' through e-mail and they spread like wildfire, but when you start sending messages regarding the Lord, people think twice about sharing. Funny how lewd, crude, vulgar and obscene articles pass freely through cyberspace, but public discussion of God is suppressed in the school and workplace.
Not everyone subscribes to your god, dumbass
God is imaginary. Funny how people believe in an imaginary diety. Funny how the bible is a book of fairy tales. Funny how there is no proof to back up any of your bibles outlandish claims. Funny how people subscribe to obvious bullsh•t. Funny isn't it Karl?
"Funny how lewd, crude, vulgar and obscene articles pass freely through cyberspace, but public discussion of God is suppressed in the school and workplace."
actually I think you will find lewd, crude, vulgar and obscene articles would be suppressed in the school and workplace too.
and actually the world isnt any worse now than what it was in the past. wars still continue, greed still drives people, etc.
Of course, Karl....folks like you and Evangelical are god's spokespeople.
Here is a hint...we are not trashing god, we are trashing the view of god postulated by inbred fvcks such as Eva and you.
Get back on your knees and beg, b!tch
Funny how in the 21st century you still hold onto your 2000 year old ancient fairy tale.
I have changed my position and now advocate churches giving up their tax-exempt status so that they can become outright grass-roots political units. We must throw off the shackles.
Good luck with that.
The funny part is – there are no shackles. You loonies just keep spinning in place and blame others when you can't get anything done. Enjoy.
Just as Jesus Christ instructed you...not! Funny how Christians aren't even Christ like, but then again, they pretty much never have been. More like the guy who really started it all, Constantine.
I was just listening to Rush Limbaugh (yeah, I know). I was surprised to hear that apparently, 3 million Republican voters did not vote on Tuesday. The reason: Undetermined....however, one of these voters called into the show. Apparently, since we're headed over a fiscal cliff, a lot of conservatives don't believe a moderate would change that direction. As such, if we're gonna go over a cliff, they want for "the other guy" to be in the driver's seat when that happens. They don't want for "our guy" to be blamed for it. This might seem unimportant, but I think it is worth pondering: Why didn't these people vote?
Many evangelicals didn't vote because they couldn't bring themselves to vote for a mormon.
So they said 'wow, we really agree with what this guy is saying and what he wants to do, but ohhhhh gosh darn it all, he's a mormon'. Makes perfect sense.
@evan: nice to know you are all-knowing seeing you know whom and for whom christians did or didn't vote for.........maybe you should try your luck in vegas as a magic act. XD
I am an evangelical and I talk with many evangelicals across the country. I know far more what evangelicals think than you.
What Evangelical means is "I spend way too much time on fundie forums and have forgotten how the rest of the world actually thinks."
WHERE did they not vote? If they failed to vote in Ohio, Florida, Virginia, etc., that's news. But if voters in Wyoming, Texas, and Alabama stayed home, knowing that their races were foregone conclusions, that's a lot less notworthy.
If that was their motive, why didn't they just vote for Obama instead of Romney?
If 3 million didn't actually show up, then it's not for that reason. I predicted this before the election. The true nutjob evangelicals were never going to vote for a Mormon, seeing as how they think that Mormonism is a cult.
Religion is a big part of government. The only way I will believe there is seperation is when all religious holidays are no longer valid.
One has nothing to do with the other. Look how you people act when we try to keep prayer out of the schools and Christian symbolism off of government property. I could only imagine what you'd do if we took away the holidays. Besides, Christmas and Easter are Pagan in origin, which makes your statement even more ironic.
Republicans lose because they are hard-right reactionaries, promoting BOTH economic & social policies that America DOES NOT WANT.
No matter how they try to paint Obama, he is NOT far-left. He is clearly moderate by every definition of the term, and everyone knows it.
Until republicans change for real, they will continue to lose.
Your part right. I, as a registered Republican, am appalled by my parties stand on gay marriage and abortion. The party needs to get out of people's bedroom. Until they do they won't win elections.
However, I don't agree that "most" people agree that the Dems are better at spending tax dollars. Also while your right most people don't seem to have a problem raising someone elses taxes. It's quite different when it's their own taxes.
I definately don't want mine raised. That's the only reason I'm still a Republican.
I like the idea of being fiscally conservative. It is important to spend money wisely and carefully. But when I look at the republican party and look at all the social conservative baggage that comes with the Republican Package, all I can say is "No Thank you"
Most people have accepted the reality that fiscal conservatism is something the democrats better represent than republicans, as republicans are responsible for 3x the debt over the last 60 years than democrats.
Why? – Because of basic math. You cannot spend as much as ever (or close to it) AND cut taxes.
The problem is that people have it fixed in their minds that you can't have fiscal prudence with progressive thinking, as if there weren't progressives back in the "good old days". These people need to learn some history.
Or continue to give out programs after programs. Most understand that you can fix a problem by throwing more money at it.
Just curious. Where'd you get those numbers?
Why not use schools, no controversey there, I dont feel comfortable in churches or moose lodges or other christian buildings.
No the Christian Right will always be a force in olitics, they have merely been chastised for being Rabid with their message. Only Carrie Nation was more unielding with her "My Way or the Highway" message and the over relictance to accept facts belies a message of power grabbing vs.polical sportsmanship. This is what divorces are made of rather than polical movements!!!
I think you need a new keyboard.
The same people who want to inject religion into our government are the ones that criticize Iran. Hypocrites.
It is not hypocrisy. Iran is islamic. Plus, an unelected mullah is the supreme ruler.
@evan: Islam is a religion just like Christianity.
The truth is, religion was designed and written for the uneducated masses to control morals of the time.
Evolution of awareness has shown that Myth is not a requirement for morals or high ideals of human endeavor. Live for the moral life that you enjoy now because it is the only one that you will get, Heaven and Hell are part of the Mythology and don’t exist except in your mind.
Evolution takes a long time and the warm cozy of the Myths fade slowly.
Very welll said. I wish people would watch Zeitgiest the Movie to learn and see how religion was born. The truth is slowly but surely being exposed. More and more people are opening their minds and turning their backs on religion. More wars and death were and are caused in the name of religion.
Good news to religious fanatics. SCIENCE and MEDICINE have developed a pill that will undo brainwashing.
The Christian right is not going anywhere. We will fight on. The problem is that we had a weak, mormon candidate and many evangelicals felt that they couldn't vote for a mormon in good conscience. I understand their reasoning even though I didn't agree with it. You will feel our influence in 2016. I promise you that.
Hahaha! Why did you support him?
Don't worry – you'll feel some influence right back.
when 2/3 of the country disagree with your ideology, logic stands that there is something wrong with the way you think. Think about it..
Yes, please keep doing exactly what you have been doing...hehehe, I'm sure you will get a different result soon. Baahahhaahaaaa!
And you will lose the next election, and the one following that, because there is, and should continue to be, Separation of Church and State.
Your Religion is personal and should not be imposed on others in Politics. Until you GET that, you will keep losing..
Religion is not necessary to be Moral..
Just watch our influence in the next congressional election.
You're missing the point, your candidate was the best of the whole, sorry litter, and if you're putting all your hopes in the younger generation, guess what? They're less likely to be as bigoted as Romney's generation. The pendulum is swinging back on the Christian Right just before they started handing out the Brown Shirts and breaking store windows.
"Just watch our influence in the next congressional election."
opps you left out a part, here let me help you.
"just watch our influence in the next congressional election........................fade away."
i think that's what you were meaning? correct. XD
I will definitely be watching in 2016 unless I'm doing something really important like watching paint dry, but if I'm not, I promise you will have my undivided attention.
I'm a little worried about Evangelical, I hope he does not climb up on a roof top with a rifle next. I saw that happened a lot with the religious extremist in Iraq when they didn’t get their way too.
When the Dems lost two elections to GW Bush and the left, the same call was made that it was the end of the Dems and that they will lose elections forever unless they began to vote and act more Republican.
So, why should the Republicans take the Dems advice to change their views to win elections when the Dems did not change and they are still around winning elections.
Do, not worry... the two party system and parties will continue.
We'll get aaaaaall you idiots out sooner or later, no matter how many elections it takes. It helps that the fundies can't keep their mouths shut about how crazy they are, so we have no trouble spottin' 'em.
Nah, I'm not worried, he always says that every life has value, it'd make him a hypocrite if he started randomly killing people.
@ARMY: yeah watched a lot of them climb up there also, but my ol' m16 alpha 2 was always there helping them off again. XD ROFLMFAO
Why will you fight on? Why do you want war? We don't mind you living your life praying. Why must you fight the country and cause so much trouble, spread so much hatred – and with so many christian right politicians in power – ruin the economy?
Why don't your churches pay taxes? Why can't you let people live as they are?
Jesus would have loathed American christians.
I think it's because he is using religion to mask his racism...the big question is why does he have this hatred for his fellow Americans, his neighbors...people who probably care about him?
"I think it's because he is using religion to mask his racism...the big question is why does he have this hatred for his fellow Americans, his neighbors...people who probably care about him?"
I think it always comes down to a man trying to answer a question that should not really matter for a happy healthy life. As it happens, it is also a question the religion he proclaims to be part of tries to dissuade in pretty much every major section.
it is, "I am better than these others around me. Now, how do I justify it".
Answers always fall into either physical distinction or a perceived spiritual differences. physical distictions of course is the root of racism. But now that it was weeded out by law, people are trying to find the answer in the second kind.. answers range from being "more holy", "closer to god", "knowledge of god's will", "kind of faith", etc, etc.
In the end, it is still a kind of racism.
Maybe Christians have figured out they are free to practice thier religion at home, no gov't recquired.
Get government out of religion, but get religion back in government!
If you let religion get into government how could you ever hope to keep government out of religion? Don't you think that, if pastors are putting their influence into choosing politicians, politicians aren't doing what they can to influence who gets to be doing that preaching? Both will end up influencing each other, if that hasn't happened already.
@evan: now that was funny. XD
that just goes to show you the level of intelligence an evangical has...................well atleast this evangical nutter.
here is something to think about; let's say your ilk happen to change america into a christian version of iran, which version of religion do you think will rule?
trust me i doubt it would be your flavor of dead beat sky daddy. lmfao
'Get government out of religion, but get religion back in government!"
oh please, lets all be honest here, you mean get christianity in government
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