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November 7th, 2012
08:21 AM ET

Election results raise questions about Christian right's influence

By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor

Washington (CNN) – For many conservative Christian leaders, it was a nightmare scenario: Barack Obama decisively re-elected. Same-sex marriage adopted by voters in some states. Rigorously anti-abortion candidates defeated in conservative red states.

On multiple levels, Tuesday’s election results raised questions about the Christian right’s agenda on American politics, eight years after the movement helped sweep President George W. Bush into a second term and opened the era of state bans on same-sex marriage.

“For the first time tonight, same-sex marriage has been passed by popular vote in Maine and Maryland,” said Robert P. Jones, a Washington-based pollster who specializes in questions about politics and religion.

“The historic nature of these results are hard to overstate,” Jones said. “Given the strong support of younger Americans for same-sex marriage, it is unlikely this issue will reappear as a major national wedge issue.”

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Some conservative evangelical leaders echoed that line. Albert Mohler, who heads the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, said on Twitter that votes for same-sex marriage suggested that “we are witnessing a fundamental moral realignment of the country.”

A Tuesday ballot measure to legalize same-sex marriage in Washington state is still pending. In Minnesota, voters rejected a Tuesday measure that would have banned same-sex marriage there.

Thirty-eight states have banned same-sex marriage, mostly via constitutional amendments.

Obama’s victory also raised questions about the Christian right's influence in the electorate.

Though evangelical leaders as diverse as the Southern Baptist Convention’s Richard Land and Christian icon Billy Graham voiced support for Mitt Romney (Graham stopped short of an official endorsement), Obama performed better among white evangelicals than he did in 2008 in some states.

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In swing state Ohio, exit polls showed that Obama got 30% support among white evangelicals. While that’s hardly a victory, it’s better than the 27% support Obama got among those voters four years ago.

Before the election, many evangelical leaders predicted that opposition to Obama over his support for abortion rights, his personal endorsement of same-sex marriage and his vision of government as a force for good would trump reservations evangelicals had about Romney’s past social liberalism and his Mormon faith.

“There is no evidence in voting patterns that President Obama's 'evolution' on same-sex marriage cost him anything,” Mohler said in another tweet Tuesday night.

Obama also narrowly won Catholics, even after the U.S. Catholic bishops waged a rigorous campaign against the Obama administration around the issue of religious liberty. The bishops alleged Obama was forcing Catholics to violate their own teachings by making health insurance companies provide free contraception coverage for virtually all employees.

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John Green, a religion and politics expert at the University of Akron, said Obama’s win among Catholics was partly a testament to the growing Latino demographic.

“Maybe Hispanic Catholics were not as moved by religious liberty-type arguments as by immigration and economics,” he said.

Unlike in 2004, when John Kerry a former altar boy lost Catholic voters, the Obama campaign had a robust religious outreach program aimed largely at Catholic and evangelical voters. The effort included videos from Obama and Vice President Joe Biden, a Catholic, talking about their Christian faith.

Obama's success among some religious demographics also illustrated how economic issues, as opposed to culture war concerns, dominated the election cycle.

The defeat Tuesday of two Republican Senate candidates who made national headlines with anti-abortion remarks also raised questions about the Christian right’s power.

In Missouri, U.S. Senate candidate Todd Akin, who in August walked back his remark that "if it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down," lost his bid to unseat Sen. Claire McCaskill, a Democrat.

Akin’s campaign became a national cause for conservative Christian activists after the Republican Party abandoned the candidate and encouraged him to drop out over his abortion remark.

In Indiana, Republican Senate candidate Richard Mourdock lost his race against Democrat Joe Donnelly after saying last month that pregnancies resulting from rape are “something that God intended to happen.”

Conservative Christians did claim some victories Tuesday night, including helping the GOP retain control of the U.S. House of Representatives and helping elect tea party favorite Ted Cruz as a U.S. senator from Texas.

Ralph Reed, the leader of conservative group the Faith & Freedom Coalition, planned a Wednesday morning press conference to release his data about what he called the enduring influence of “values voters.”

“Preliminary evidence is they turned out and they voted heavily for Romney,” Reed said in an e-mail message Tuesday night.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: 2012 Election • Christianity • Politics

soundoff (4,434 Responses)
  1. last nerv

    Hell is here on earth. Gays are satin's workers and liberal politicians are his hands.

    November 8, 2012 at 3:44 pm |
    • ME II

      So are clergy the buttocks?

      November 8, 2012 at 3:45 pm |
    • TrollAlert

      Add "last nerv" degenerates to the list.

      November 8, 2012 at 3:47 pm |
    • sam

      I have heard that gays like to work with satin. It's a nice fabric.

      November 8, 2012 at 3:53 pm |
    • last nerv

      @ Sam, I see there is at least 1 person that pays attention to my humor.

      November 8, 2012 at 3:58 pm |
    • cedar rapids

      its not satin's workers, its santa's workers. gays are really elves.

      November 8, 2012 at 4:03 pm |
    • sam

      LOL

      November 8, 2012 at 4:12 pm |
    • Ting

      Welcome to the 21st century there sport.

      November 8, 2012 at 10:23 pm |
  2. Bob

    Well regardless as to whether Evangelicals have anything to do with this or not, the Dems had better hope this country is in good shape by the time their term is over. If not, it'll be all over their faces and that could cause a conservative "revival".

    November 8, 2012 at 3:44 pm |
    • You'reDumb

      No, it means that the republican house didn't want to cooperate to fix America, they've been doing it for years now.

      November 8, 2012 at 3:46 pm |
    • therealpeace2all

      @Bob

      On one level, what you suggest has merit.

      On the other hand, if the republican/tea partiers/evangelicals, etc... in the House of Resps, specifically continue their extreme *obstructionist* beliefs and actions, it is very possible that the Republican Party will fade into irrelevance, if major changes are not made.

      Part of the issue is a mult itude of voters realized the level of political war going on from the right, and decided enough is enough.

      Point is... 'if' they (republicans) continue with "business as usual" this strategy could back-fire on them 'even worse' than it did this election cycle.

      Peace..

      November 8, 2012 at 3:50 pm |
  3. Reality

    Only for new members of this blog:-–>>>>

    As noted many times before the election:

    Why the Christian Right no longer matters in presidential elections:

    Once again, all the conservative votes in the country "ain't" going to help a "pro-life" presidential candidate, i.e Mitt Romney, in 2012 as the "Immoral Majority" rules the country and will be doing so for awhile. The "Immoral Majority" you ask?

    The fastest growing USA voting bloc: In 2008, the 70+ million "Roe vs. Wade mothers and fathers" of aborted womb-babies" whose ranks grow by two million per year i.e. 78+ million "IM" voters in 2012.

    And the irony:

    And all because many women fail to take the Pill once a day or men fail to use a condom even though in most cases these men have them in their pockets. (maybe they should be called the "Stupid Majority"?)

    The failures of the widely used birth "control" methods i.e. the Pill and male condom have led to the large rate of abortions ( one million/yr) and S-TDs (19 million/yr) in the USA. Men and women must either recognize their responsibilities by using the Pill or condoms properly and/or use other safer birth control methods in order to reduce the epidemics of abortion and S-TDs.

    i.e. IF THE PILL AND MALE CONDOMS WERE USED PROPERLY, ABORTION WOULD NOT BE AN ISSUE AND OBAMA WOULD NOT BE PRESIDENT.

    And to appeal to the Immoral/Stupid Majority, Obama and Axelrod filled the airways with pro- Roe vs. Wade, pro-choice/abortion ads during the last two weeks of the campaign.

    ++----------------–++++++++++------------------–

    November 8, 2012 at 3:44 pm |
    • cedar rapids

      so obama got elected because of the pill and condoms?

      ok as trolling goes i will say this is one of the best and most imaginative troll arguments ive seen in a while.

      November 8, 2012 at 3:53 pm |
    • therealpeace2all

      @Reality

      " the Christian Right no longer matters in presidential elections "

      I always love when you post this.

      Peace...

      November 8, 2012 at 3:54 pm |
    • Playing

      The same PRO-Lifers that would kill to keep from aborting a child today would kill or incarcerate for life the same child 18 years later in the name of being tough against crime. Someone has to fill all those prisons that maintain and perpetuate the law enforcement complex in the US.

      November 8, 2012 at 4:49 pm |
    • Reality

      The reality of se-x, contraception and STD/HIV control: – from an agnostic guy who enjoys intelligent se-x-

      Note: Some words hyphenated to defeat an obvious word filter. ...

      The Brutal Effects of Stupidity:

      : The failures of the widely used birth "control" methods i.e. the Pill (8.7% actual failure rate) and male con-dom (17.4% actual failure rate) have led to the large rate of abortions and S-TDs in the USA. Men and women must either recognize their responsibilities by using the Pill or co-ndoms properly and/or use safer methods in order to reduce the epidemics of abortion and S-TDs.- Failure rate statistics provided by the Gut-tmacher Inst-itute. Unfortunately they do not give the statistics for doubling up i.e. using a combination of the Pill and a condom.

      Added information before making your next move:

      from the CDC-2006

      "Se-xually transmitted diseases (STDs) remain a major public health challenge in the United States. While substantial progress has been made in preventing, diagnosing, and treating certain S-TDs in recent years, CDC estimates that approximately 19 million new infections occur each year, almost half of them among young people ages 15 to 24.1 In addition to the physical and psy-ch-ological consequences of S-TDs, these diseases also exact a tremendous economic toll. Direct medical costs as-sociated with STDs in the United States are estimated at up to $14.7 billion annually in 2006 dollars."

      And from:

      Consumer Reports, January, 2012

      "Yes, or-al se-x is se-x, and it can boost cancer risk-

      Here's a crucial message for teens (and all se-xually active "post-teeners": Or-al se-x carries many of the same risks as va-ginal se-x, including human papilloma virus, or HPV. And HPV may now be overtaking tobacco as the leading cause of or-al cancers in America in people under age 50.

      "Adolescents don’t think or-al se-x is something to worry about," said Bonnie Halpern-Felsher professor of pediatrics at the University of California, San Francisco. "They view it as a way to have intimacy without having 's-ex.'" (It should be called the Bill Clinton Syndrome !!)

      Obviously, political leaders in both parties, Planned Parenthood, parents, the "stupid part of the USA" and the educational system have failed miserably on many fronts.

      The most effective forms of contraception, ranked by "Perfect use":
      - (Abstinence, 0% failure rate)
      - (Masturbation, mono or mutual, 0% failure rate)
      Followed by:
      One-month injectable and Implant (both at 0.05 percent)
      Vasectomy and IUD (Mirena) (both at 0.1 percent)
      The Pill, Three-month injectable, and the Patch (all at 0.3 percent)
      Tubal sterilization (at 0.5 percent)
      IUD (Copper-T) (0.6 percent)
      Periodic abstinence (Post-ovulation) (1.0 percent)
      Periodic abstinence (Symptothermal) and Male condom (both at 2.0 percent)
      Periodic abstinence (Ovulation method) (3.0 percent)

      Every other method ranks below these, including Withdrawal (4.0), Female condom (5.0), Diaphragm (6.0), Periodic abstinence (calendar) (9.0), the Sponge (9.0-20.0, depending on whether the woman using it has had a child in the past), Cervical cap (9.0-26.0, with the same caveat as the Sponge), and Spermicides (18.0).

      November 8, 2012 at 6:48 pm |
  4. Wilbur Scheissmann

    In a world gone mad, the Maryland state legislature is now proposing synchronized sodomy be a new sporting event in the Olympics. I say enough IS enough! Someone has to take a stand and get to the bottom of this stop it before the whole nation goes bum crazy!

    November 8, 2012 at 3:39 pm |
    • sam

      I see what you did there.

      November 8, 2012 at 3:41 pm |
    • TrollAlert

      This is the same troll.
      "Ronald Regonzo" who degenerates to:
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      "Atheist Hunter" degenerates to:
      "Anybody know how to read? " degenerates to:
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      "Chad" degenerates to
      "Evangelical" degenerates to:
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      "Bob" degenerates to
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      "2357" degenerates to:
      "WOW" degenerates to:
      "fred" degenerates to:
      "!" degenerates to:
      "pervert alert"

      This troll is not a christian.

      November 8, 2012 at 3:42 pm |
    • ME II

      Careful there Wiiiilllbuuur you might catch the gay.

      November 8, 2012 at 3:44 pm |
    • Reality

      Added details:

      From below, on top, backwards, forwards, from this side of the Moon and from the other side too, gay s-exual activity is still mutual masturbation caused by one or more complex se-xual differences. Some differences are visually obvious in for example the complex maleness of DeGeneres, Billy Jean King and Rosie O'Donnell.

      Yes, heteros-exuals practice many of the same "moves" but there is never a doubt who is the female and who is the male.
      As noted, there are basic biological differences in gay unions vs heterose-xual marriage. Government benefits are the same in both but making the distinction is important for census data and for social responses to potential issues with disease, divorce and family interactions.

      Bottom line: Gay unions, Yes. Gay marriages, Impossible.

      November 8, 2012 at 3:55 pm |
    • therealpeace2all

      @Reality

      " Government benefits are the **same** in **both**(gay civil unions vs. marriage) "

      The 'same'... really ? Hmm... where are you getting your data, -Reality ?

      Here's mine from *FactCheck.Org* for you to start with.

      http://www.factcheck.org/what_is_a_civil_union.html

      I'm 'very' curious how you are coming to get that civil unions and hetero marriage "get the 'same' government benefits" ?

      Peace...

      November 8, 2012 at 4:19 pm |
    • Reality

      Tis GAY civil unions vs. heterose-xual marriages.

      November 8, 2012 at 6:51 pm |
    • Reality

      As noted previously "gay unions vs heterose-xual marriage".

      November 8, 2012 at 6:53 pm |
    • therealpeace2all

      @Reality

      Don't mean to be foggy here, buddy... but I still don't understand your post ? Gay unions or Gay civil unions 'do not' get many if not most of the 'government benefits' that 'hetero marriage' is afforded.

      What am I missing in your posting here ?

      Peace...

      November 8, 2012 at 11:41 pm |
  5. Playing

    1. We went to war to wrestle the people of Iraq and Afghanistan from the Taliban and their theocratic ambitions. In the US the evangelicals are basically doing the same thing. Trying to take over the the government and make their theocratic dogma into the law of the land. There is supposed to be a very distinct divide between chuch and state in the US. That line is under assault primarily by the Republican party. Abortion should not and should have never been a political issue. It is a medical decision to be made by an individual. The moral part is between the individual and their God. We went down the road where religious zealots imposed their will on the general population years ago with Prohibition with disasterous results. The founding fathers made the demarcation between church and state for a reason. Why is it we never learn.....

    November 8, 2012 at 3:39 pm |
  6. GodFreeNow

    I can't understand why religious people are having their, "my god, my god, why hast thou forsaken me?" moment... Surely they believe this is god's will and therefore it is perfect. God's will made it possible for Obama to win his 2nd term. Any christians out here that want to argue against god's will?

    November 8, 2012 at 3:36 pm |
    • Athy

      That ought to stump them.

      November 8, 2012 at 3:38 pm |
    • sam

      I thought god chose our leaders. Or maybe he's just punishing the fundies for being awful.

      November 8, 2012 at 3:40 pm |
    • Mike

      @GodFreeNow

      yes Obama getting elected is also God's will -

      every situation that is presented to believers is a test from God - how are we going behave in that situation.

      We will have a difficult time under Obama but shall we compromise our principles? Or shall we just tolerate and please God so we can return back to His kingdom.

      even if we win, that is God's test - how shall we rule? Tp please God or to please our flesh ..

      everything presented to us on this material plane is nothing but a test from God ...

      November 8, 2012 at 3:46 pm |
    • OregonGuy

      Maybe it was God's will. As a devout Christian, I believe strongly in the power of prayer. For months leading up to the election I prayed that the hate and deceit spewed primarily by one candidate would be extinguished, and that the truth would prevail. My prayers were answered.

      November 8, 2012 at 3:49 pm |
    • Evangelical

      It's not God but Satan who is the lord of this world. We must pray for the return of Jesus to vanquish Satan and bring God's Kingdom to earth.

      November 8, 2012 at 3:49 pm |
    • cedar rapids

      'everything presented to us on this material plane is nothing but a test from God ...'

      why?

      November 8, 2012 at 3:50 pm |
    • Douglas

      Satan doesn't exist.

      November 8, 2012 at 3:51 pm |
    • Evangelical

      @OregonGuy

      I never heard Romney spew any hate. But I sure heard plenty of hate spewed at him.

      November 8, 2012 at 3:51 pm |
    • Catholic

      It's amazing how many of you are willing to live in a country that was founded by christians on christian principles. Our money says "In God we trust" for crying out loud, yet you bash christians because of our beliefs. If you are so anti-christian, why not head over to Saudi Arabia or China or any number of African countries? You wouldn't have to worry about any of us crazy christians there! You're happy to live under the protection of christian ideals but then criticize the parts you don't like. Do you see govt workers living with and helping AIDS victims in Africa? nope, but there sure are a lot of nuns and priests there caring for the sick.

      November 8, 2012 at 3:54 pm |
    • Brent

      "It's amazing how many of you are willing to live in a country that was founded by christians on christian principles."

      Religion-based bigotry uses religious teachings to justify discrimination against Native Americans, African Americans, minority religious groups, woman and interracial couples. Religious texts have been used in the past to justify attitudes and laws that are recognized today as morally wrong and unjust. So no thank you to your "christian principles."

      November 8, 2012 at 4:00 pm |
    • cedar rapids

      "You're happy to live under the protection of christian ideals but then criticize the parts you don't like"

      you mean like the christians do when they moan about gay marriage?
      but actually i think you are confusing christian ideals with standard ideals of freedom.

      November 8, 2012 at 4:01 pm |
    • jennymay

      @Catholic... there are many Christians in China and Africa

      November 8, 2012 at 4:02 pm |
    • cedar rapids

      'there are many Christians in China and Africa'

      actually isnt it one of the christian african countries, uganda (with catholics making up the largest group) that is trying to bring in the death penalty for being gay?
      oh those christian ideals in action.

      November 8, 2012 at 4:06 pm |
    • therealpeace2all

      @Catholic

      I'm curious about your answer on something. I know that Christians like to reference the Declaration of Independence, which basically states that we are declaring our sovreignty as a nation and as a declaration of war... among other things of course. And the word "Creator" is referenced as means to say... we are a christian nation, etc... etc...

      What I'm curious about is after the Declaration of Independence... there came the Const itution of United States. It is a completely "secularly" written doc ument.

      There is -0- or no mention about our laws or our nation... at all of:

      *God
      *God almighty
      *God of the Bible
      *God of Abraham
      *God of the Christians
      *God of Jesus
      *Catholicism is the only true and right form of Christianity
      *We must take our laws from the Pope
      *Bible
      *Our nations is based on the Bible
      *Our nation is based on the written words of the Bible
      *The Bible is the Holy Word of God...and that's all we respect
      *Our laws are based on the Bible.
      *Christians
      *Christianity
      ***We are a Christian Nation***
      ***We are a Nation founded and run on Christian Values***
      *No other religion counts or is right
      *Christianity is the 'right one'
      *Jesus
      *Jesus Christ
      *Jesus Christ is the Son of God
      *Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior
      *Jesus died for our sins
      *We are all sinners so our laws are based on God/Jesus
      *You 'must' believe in Jesus in our Country
      *Our laws are based on the words of Jesus
      *We are a Christian Theocracy... and our laws are based on such
      *To be a leader or President of our country you 'must' be a Christian
      *If you don't believe in Jesus, you're going to burn in hell for eternity

      I could go on and on... but you get the point. I'm quite certain that many or most of the framers were quite spiritual, but... if, as many Christians attempt to claim that "We are a Christian Nation" etc... and then point to the Consti tution... how do you get there ?

      Especially... if the framers were Christians, as many Christian claim, all of those things I posted seem like pretty big "oopsys" to leave out of our *most* important doc ument ever written for our Country that sets out the framework of our land.

      Help me out here, @Catholic

      Peace...

      November 8, 2012 at 4:10 pm |
  7. jim

    If Ralph Reed isn't as gay as a $3 bill, I don't know who is!

    November 8, 2012 at 3:32 pm |
    • sam

      I heard his stance is pretty wide.

      November 8, 2012 at 3:34 pm |
    • sam stone

      michelle bachmann's hubby

      November 8, 2012 at 3:44 pm |
  8. radger

    The Christian Right prayed for Romney to win. One old Black woman that could barely kneel prayed for President Obama to win..............................................................

    November 8, 2012 at 3:30 pm |
    • Huebert

      ...After both groups were done talking to them selves they went out to vote and actually had an effect.

      November 8, 2012 at 3:36 pm |
  9. abcdxyz

    The Republican party has to root out the crazies and the ultra-right-wing nuts if it wants to be taken seriously in mainstream America. Time for a third party, the Evangelical Tea Party, which can nominate its own candidates and see them get half or a quarter of a percent of the vote, just like the Green Party and the Socialist Party do on the left.

    November 8, 2012 at 3:28 pm |
    • sam

      Agreed.

      November 8, 2012 at 3:35 pm |
    • therealpeace2all

      @abcdxyz

      Absolutely.

      Peace...

      November 8, 2012 at 3:38 pm |
  10. Wilbur Scheissmann

    Oh Maryland, my Maryland! What hast thou done? Legalizing sheep penetration is an obamanation in the land! The end of the world is nigh! Be ready and pray for the nation. For restoration of everything good and traditional.

    November 8, 2012 at 3:28 pm |
    • Evangelical

      Sheep need to be penetrated; the Lord demands it.

      November 8, 2012 at 3:33 pm |
  11. Grim

    Enough with your super being over lord BS.
    No more churches, no more synagogues, no more mosques.
    Was Zeus real? Ra? Set? Apollo? Ceres? The list of gods is too gargantuan to write.
    So why would your god be real? What makes your god any more real than their silly gods?
    ALL HAIL SUPER BEING OVERLORDS!
    BOW, YIELD, KNEEL!
    OH AND GIVE ME YOUR MONEY TOO :)

    November 8, 2012 at 3:26 pm |
    • Common Sense

      Yes lets get rid of religion and all belief in God. Mao and Stalin would be so proud of you.

      November 8, 2012 at 3:32 pm |
    • ReligionIsBS

      "Common sense" says:

      two really bad people happened to be atheists, therefore jesus exists! (And please ignore Hitler, the Crusades, the Inquisitions, witch burnings, etc.)

      Nice logic.

      Very good usage of common sense.

      November 8, 2012 at 3:38 pm |
  12. Mike

    The mothers who are aborting their kids will experience their life snuffed out in the womb in the next life. Those leaders who are supporting abortion will also meet the same fate. Karma is a b1tch .. do not perpetuate it.

    November 8, 2012 at 3:26 pm |
    • Huebert

      Please show evidence that this mystical universe balancing force exists.

      November 8, 2012 at 3:28 pm |
    • Mike

      Our actions DO HAVE consequences ....

      November 8, 2012 at 3:29 pm |
    • ReligionIsBS

      How do you know this? Please share.

      November 8, 2012 at 3:31 pm |
    • Common Sense

      I'm against abortion, but sorry... Karma doesn't exist.

      November 8, 2012 at 3:31 pm |
    • sam

      I thought believing in reincarnation was a sin....

      November 8, 2012 at 3:32 pm |
    • GodFreeNow

      Mike, all I hear in your statement is a complete fear of death. To you that must be the ultimate punishment, because you're idea of retribution is someone being reincarnated and before they have any chance to develop brain patterns and cognition, they die. Do you remember life in the womb?

      November 8, 2012 at 3:32 pm |
    • Huebert

      Of course our actions have consequences, but that is not the same as Karma. The consequence of having an abortion is the termination of a pregnancy before it comes to term, nothing more.

      November 8, 2012 at 3:33 pm |
    • Mike

      @Common Sense

      so according to you .. the punishment for abortion is "eternal hell" ... never ever a chance again after some punishment?

      November 8, 2012 at 3:33 pm |
    • therealpeace2all

      @Mike

      What are you... a "Hindu" 'POE , with the reincarnationist thing?

      Peace...

      November 8, 2012 at 3:35 pm |
    • Mike

      @GodFreeNow –

      do you remember what you were doing when you were 1 year and 9 days old? Does it mean ... that you did not exist then? When you have a real deep sleep ... you are no aware of anything ... how time passed in the bed .. does it mean you did not exist then?

      November 8, 2012 at 3:35 pm |
    • Mike

      @sam –

      i am a follower of the vedas ...

      November 8, 2012 at 3:36 pm |
    • GodFreeNow

      Mike, Surely someone of your belief must find death a release from the suffering of life though...

      November 8, 2012 at 3:38 pm |
    • Murray

      That's right Mike. God wears a pair of jack boots and loves to beat his children. To which church do you belong? Church of the Latter Day Idiots?

      November 8, 2012 at 3:38 pm |
    • Mike

      GodFreeNow –

      death is not a relief from sufferings of life because one is born again until he completely transcends all egoistic material desires ... and becomes free from the cycle of birth and death ...

      November 8, 2012 at 3:42 pm |
    • Rikki

      See, the problem I have with your statement is that you equate fairness with something that cannot perceive anything. If it does not perceive its own sense of self then how can a fetus "care" or be "concerned" about its life being snuffed out? Furthermore, while the act of non-living is scary, you give hope in that once that snuffing out is a repaid debt, the person just gets reborn again, thus it doesn't really matter. AND by your reckoning that means ANY fetus that is aborted deserves to be aborted because it was someone that aborted a fetus in its previous life.

      November 8, 2012 at 4:30 pm |
    • guest

      The bible states that life begins as first breath and not conception.

      After God formed man in Genesis 2:7, He “breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and it was then that the man became a living being”

      In Exodus 21:22 it states that if a man causes a woman to have a miscarriage, he shall be fined; however, if the woman dies then he will be put to death. It should be apparent from this that the aborted fetus is not considered a living human being since the resulting punishment for the abortion is nothing more than a fine; it is not classified by the bible as a capital offense.

      November 8, 2012 at 4:31 pm |
    • GodFreeNow

      @guest, That was quite illuminating. Thank you. I hadn't hear that take on creation nor did I know the Exodus passage. Well done.

      November 8, 2012 at 8:33 pm |
  13. Butch

    Romney lost this election because of his views on the social issues of gay marriage and abortion. Both parties are enept in fixing the economic problems facing us. Bush and his Republican principles did not fare so well for us during his time and that is still in the minds of the American people. The Republican party needs to back off abortion and let gays marry whoever they want. Separation of Church and State.

    November 8, 2012 at 3:22 pm |
    • Evangelical

      And let gays burn in hell? You sure don't think much of them.

      November 8, 2012 at 3:28 pm |
    • FYI

      Butch, Evan doesn't actually know the bible, they are merely a troll on this blog because they don't have a real life because they're a loser.

      November 8, 2012 at 3:30 pm |
    • sam

      It's a good thing there's no hell, then!

      November 8, 2012 at 3:31 pm |
    • Evangelical

      I'm afraid that there are a lot of people on this blog who will find out first hand that there is a hell.

      November 8, 2012 at 3:37 pm |
    • Douglas

      There is no hell, so no worries.

      November 8, 2012 at 3:38 pm |
    • sam

      See you there, Evangelical.

      November 8, 2012 at 3:39 pm |
    • sam stone

      eva: still dreaming of doing the whole Lewinsky thing on the savior? Be prepared to work at it, as Jerry Fartwell has had quite a "head"start on you

      November 8, 2012 at 3:48 pm |
  14. Common Sense

    Its ok America. Keep turning away from God. We are just fulfilling biblical prophecy.

    November 8, 2012 at 3:21 pm |
    • Really?

      Yawn.....oh really, do you know how many nut jobs in history have said the same thing, yet nothing happens. You're god doesn't exist and nothing is going to happen.

      November 8, 2012 at 3:23 pm |
    • cedar rapids

      fulfilling biblical prophecy.....

      your posting name was meant to be ironic right?

      November 8, 2012 at 3:23 pm |
    • sam

      Sure, whatever.

      November 8, 2012 at 3:26 pm |
    • Evangelical

      Next year when a devastating hurricane hits, they will look anywhere for an explanation except for their sinful ways.

      November 8, 2012 at 3:26 pm |
    • Esaias

      I keep my children away from fundies like you!

      November 8, 2012 at 3:26 pm |
    • sam

      Yeah, we'll start by looking up Evangelical's ass.

      November 8, 2012 at 3:27 pm |
    • Huebert

      Evangelical

      When the next hurricane hits I will look at weather patterns for an explanation.

      November 8, 2012 at 3:30 pm |
    • Snow

      how about thinking some positive thoughts Evan.. why do you wish for bad things to happen? "when the next hurricane hits..", "when you die and..", "When bad things happen... ". it is like you WANT these things to happen.. why so negative..

      November 8, 2012 at 3:43 pm |
  15. ken s

    You guys really need to read the other CNN article concerning President Obama and his faith ( he considers himself to be evangelical).

    November 8, 2012 at 3:20 pm |
    • Common Sense

      Faith doesn't mean you pay lipservice to said belief. Faith requires action. If Obama had any real faith in what he believed in, he wouldn't be condoning tax funded abortion.

      November 8, 2012 at 3:23 pm |
    • Mike

      @Ken

      who also happens to support abortions and gay marriage. did he write his own evangelical bible? i can write my own version too and declare myself an evangelical .. says who? that's quite cheap!

      November 8, 2012 at 3:24 pm |
    • cedar rapids

      'he wouldn't be condoning tax funded abortion.'
      which he isnt, so thats good

      November 8, 2012 at 3:24 pm |
    • Really?

      Ken, don't worry about it this posters is a troll that posts under multiple handles and hangs out here all day because they don't have a real life, they are a loser who's opinions don't actually matter. It's the comic relief on this blog because no one takes their posts seriously. There's a list going around that shows the multiple handles of this loser.

      November 8, 2012 at 3:26 pm |
    • Common Sense

      Really CR? Obamacare and Planned Parenthood say differently. I'm amazed at how easy it is to debunk leftists.

      November 8, 2012 at 3:27 pm |
    • sam

      Common...you're a dumbass troll. No one 'supports' abortion. Right wing crack smoker.

      November 8, 2012 at 3:29 pm |
    • Really?

      Calling another anonymous poster "someone who doesn't have a life" is in no way hypocritical......as I myself post random, incoherent, biased, partisan drivel on the internet.

      November 8, 2012 at 3:29 pm |
    • Common Sense

      You sure about that? NO ONE supports abortion???? Ok then you agree we should get rid of the legislation that legalizes it??

      November 8, 2012 at 3:30 pm |
    • cedar rapids

      "Obamacare and Planned Parenthood say differently. I'm amazed at how easy it is to debunk leftists."

      really? then please do cite the sources that make this claim. (just saying obamacare and planned parenthood isnt actually enough)

      November 8, 2012 at 3:31 pm |
    • last nerv

      Separation of church and state is fine, but I want separation of perverts and communities.

      November 8, 2012 at 3:32 pm |
    • Really?

      See what I mean Ken, they even stole my handle to make another loser comment. Get the picture? This person is just a troll who doesn't have a real life so they come here to try and boast their low self esteem. What a loser.

      November 8, 2012 at 3:33 pm |
    • sam

      No one is FOR it, you tool. There are cases where it's necessary, and that's no one's business but the mother and her doc. Get back under your bridge, troll.

      November 8, 2012 at 3:37 pm |
    • Common Sense

      So you're saying that obamacare doesn't have any provision to fund abortion? Here's just one article.....

      http://pop.org/content/does-obamacare-fund-abortion-let-us-count-ways

      And to say that planned parenthood doesn't perform taxpayer funded abortions is ridiculous. It just shows that you are blissfully ignorant to information and facts.

      November 8, 2012 at 3:37 pm |
    • cedar rapids

      "And to say that planned parenthood doesn't perform taxpayer funded abortions is ridiculous. It just shows that you are blissfully ignorant to information and facts."

      nah CS you just want to make your own interpretation of the 'information and facts'.
      And if you read that article you posted it also makes claims about what the money could be used, not that it specifially allows tax payer abortions ijn the language. Heck it even talks about an Obama executive order banning such, though it claims that will only last as long as it isnt challenged in court.....but actually there has been no such challenge so its all speculation.

      at the end of the day your 'debunking' consists of nothing more than 'yeah, but!, yeah, but!. yeah, but!', and carries about as much weight.

      November 8, 2012 at 3:48 pm |
  16. Mike

    The innocent lives being extinguished in the wombs are the same mothers who aborted their kids in their previous life. Karma is a b1tch .. do not perpetuate it.

    November 8, 2012 at 3:18 pm |
    • ReligionIsBS

      How do you know this? And if thats the case, then how did the first abortion happen? How could it have been someone who had an abortion if abortion hadnt existed yet? Please elaborate.

      November 8, 2012 at 3:35 pm |
    • Mike

      ReligionIsBS

      karma is anaadi - a sanskrit term meaning - beginning-less ... requires a lot of study to understand these concepts.

      November 8, 2012 at 3:40 pm |
  17. last nerv

    The comedy show is a go! Obama got elected again. American evangelicals must have a sense of humor after all. If all the registered Republicans had voted, poor Romney would be president and would get the blame. It's better this way. We can watch the failures first hand. I like to watch starving people in 3rd world countries beg. I will soon be able to watch it here in the USA when the money runs out.

    November 8, 2012 at 3:18 pm |
  18. The Dr.

    I'm talking to the people that hate us Christians! And to abbyt you been in the park to long honey! You won't get what it means.

    November 8, 2012 at 3:12 pm |
    • cedar rapids

      us christians?
      you showed by your post that you arent a christian so its bizarre you would use that phrase.

      November 8, 2012 at 3:16 pm |
    • Snow

      persecution complex, much?

      November 8, 2012 at 3:16 pm |
    • sam

      Doc, prescribe yourself some meds.

      November 8, 2012 at 3:30 pm |
  19. Wilbur Scheissmann

    What is this world coming to! First Obama is re-elected and NOW in Maryland people can practice animal husbandry! The end of the world is near. Repent and cease your wicked ways O sons of the Castro district and New York City. Stop your anal archery while there is time!

    November 8, 2012 at 3:08 pm |
    • Brother Maynard

      methinks thou doth protest too much

      November 8, 2012 at 3:26 pm |
  20. Snow

    reading a number of these comments here, i can't help but wonder, when did god become republican? how can republicans monopolize god and what right do they have to paint a god under their banner?

    presumptuous, self-righteous, megalomaniacs, conceited, etc, are a few words that describe such behavior

    November 8, 2012 at 3:04 pm |
    • Evangelical

      When did God become Republican? When Democrats became pro-abortion and ho.mos.exual rights.

      November 8, 2012 at 3:10 pm |
    • Snow

      you are all for freedom, but you want to limit and discriminate people based on their lifestyle.. what is the difference between you and the american patriot in late 1770s who screamed for freedom from oppression, but went home to sell some slaves as "wares"?

      But I don't think you are capable of seeing the hypocrisy of your views, as much as we point them out.

      November 8, 2012 at 3:15 pm |
    • Evangelical

      Now you are smearing the good patriots of the 1770s? You are NOT an American. Second of all, the Bible is clear, and it trumps your version of "freedom" which is not freedom at all but license.

      November 8, 2012 at 3:24 pm |
    • cedar rapids

      'Now you are smearing the good patriots of the 1770s? You are NOT an American'

      smearing? highlighting hypocrisy more like. They claimed freedom from oppression and then owned slaves. No other way to say it, sorry.

      November 8, 2012 at 3:27 pm |
    • Patti

      You're being judgemental and sterotyping and thats not fair.Yes, most christains are repubicans but I know alot of democrat chistains too. By reading your post I could say that all democrats are judgemental and unreasonable but I know better. Its people like you that are harmfull to society. I have the ight to believe the way my conscience guides me just like you do.

      November 8, 2012 at 3:28 pm |
    • Evangelical

      In America, we hold our patriots sacrosanct. You people are obviously not American.

      November 8, 2012 at 3:32 pm |
    • cedar rapids

      "In America, we hold our patriots sacrosanct. You people are obviously not American."

      ah ok, you are a troll, it becomes clearer now. sorry to waste your time.

      November 8, 2012 at 3:37 pm |
    • Snow

      Blind faith.. cute! and explains a lot about what you say

      November 8, 2012 at 3:37 pm |
    • sam

      Yeah, Evangelical holds them dear right up until he/she/it remembers they weren't christians.

      November 8, 2012 at 3:38 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @Evangelical
      Is there anyone else on your list of people who should be denied basic civil rights, or is it only gays?

      November 8, 2012 at 3:49 pm |
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