By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor
Washington (CNN) – For many conservative Christian leaders, it was a nightmare scenario: Barack Obama decisively re-elected. Same-sex marriage adopted by voters in some states. Rigorously anti-abortion candidates defeated in conservative red states.
On multiple levels, Tuesday’s election results raised questions about the Christian right’s agenda on American politics, eight years after the movement helped sweep President George W. Bush into a second term and opened the era of state bans on same-sex marriage.
“For the first time tonight, same-sex marriage has been passed by popular vote in Maine and Maryland,” said Robert P. Jones, a Washington-based pollster who specializes in questions about politics and religion.
“The historic nature of these results are hard to overstate,” Jones said. “Given the strong support of younger Americans for same-sex marriage, it is unlikely this issue will reappear as a major national wedge issue.”
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Some conservative evangelical leaders echoed that line. Albert Mohler, who heads the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, said on Twitter that votes for same-sex marriage suggested that “we are witnessing a fundamental moral realignment of the country.”
A Tuesday ballot measure to legalize same-sex marriage in Washington state is still pending. In Minnesota, voters rejected a Tuesday measure that would have banned same-sex marriage there.
Thirty-eight states have banned same-sex marriage, mostly via constitutional amendments.
Obama’s victory also raised questions about the Christian right's influence in the electorate.
Though evangelical leaders as diverse as the Southern Baptist Convention’s Richard Land and Christian icon Billy Graham voiced support for Mitt Romney (Graham stopped short of an official endorsement), Obama performed better among white evangelicals than he did in 2008 in some states.
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In swing state Ohio, exit polls showed that Obama got 30% support among white evangelicals. While that’s hardly a victory, it’s better than the 27% support Obama got among those voters four years ago.
Before the election, many evangelical leaders predicted that opposition to Obama over his support for abortion rights, his personal endorsement of same-sex marriage and his vision of government as a force for good would trump reservations evangelicals had about Romney’s past social liberalism and his Mormon faith.
“There is no evidence in voting patterns that President Obama's 'evolution' on same-sex marriage cost him anything,” Mohler said in another tweet Tuesday night.
Obama also narrowly won Catholics, even after the U.S. Catholic bishops waged a rigorous campaign against the Obama administration around the issue of religious liberty. The bishops alleged Obama was forcing Catholics to violate their own teachings by making health insurance companies provide free contraception coverage for virtually all employees.
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John Green, a religion and politics expert at the University of Akron, said Obama’s win among Catholics was partly a testament to the growing Latino demographic.
“Maybe Hispanic Catholics were not as moved by religious liberty-type arguments as by immigration and economics,” he said.
Unlike in 2004, when John Kerry – a former altar boy – lost Catholic voters, the Obama campaign had a robust religious outreach program aimed largely at Catholic and evangelical voters. The effort included videos from Obama and Vice President Joe Biden, a Catholic, talking about their Christian faith.
Obama's success among some religious demographics also illustrated how economic issues, as opposed to culture war concerns, dominated the election cycle.
The defeat Tuesday of two Republican Senate candidates who made national headlines with anti-abortion remarks also raised questions about the Christian right’s power.
In Missouri, U.S. Senate candidate Todd Akin, who in August walked back his remark that "if it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down," lost his bid to unseat Sen. Claire McCaskill, a Democrat.
Akin’s campaign became a national cause for conservative Christian activists after the Republican Party abandoned the candidate and encouraged him to drop out over his abortion remark.
In Indiana, Republican Senate candidate Richard Mourdock lost his race against Democrat Joe Donnelly after saying last month that pregnancies resulting from rape are “something that God intended to happen.”
Conservative Christians did claim some victories Tuesday night, including helping the GOP retain control of the U.S. House of Representatives and helping elect tea party favorite Ted Cruz as a U.S. senator from Texas.
Ralph Reed, the leader of conservative group the Faith & Freedom Coalition, planned a Wednesday morning press conference to release his data about what he called the enduring influence of “values voters.”
“Preliminary evidence is they turned out and they voted heavily for Romney,” Reed said in an e-mail message Tuesday night.
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what do you get when your in the room with everyone who knows it all? a slave to hypocricy. I choose to know nothing but Christ crucified, all our questions in life are answered when we are 1st and for most honest with ourself,that I who am guilty of poor judgement tend to be the 1st one who will call the kettle black. and day in day out fight to hold my ground,no matter what the cost. self rightousness The 1st one to fall for the lie and everything it incompasses. Jesus died that one may have wisdom to see the difference between the truth and the lie if one 1st agrees to have no part in the lies and all its deadly after affects. Scratch the religion and go straight for the heart of the matter! Christ defeated the father of lies and promises to protect and keep those who choose to believe they need a Savior from just that, and the peace is learned as you choose to unlearn our old way of thinking which was living a life of constantly trying to justify yourself. this is why the world is so stressed out, a mind full of the preoccupation for things that add nothing by way of prosperity of the SOUL
I only read as far as your first line before I gave up on you. Anyone as ignorant as you are, based on your writing, is not worthy of attention.
"1Cr 2:14-15 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned. But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man."
So is this a LIE and does not apply to you?
1 Corinthians 4:5 “Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait till the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of men's hearts.”
Ob, because you are a natural man, my answer is, "You are in over your head and you can't swim!" Now why don't you go and try to figure out some parables. I'm leaving for a while.
Thanks. You actually have answered my questions.
"1Cr 6:2-4 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life? If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church." I'm one of the least. The churches won't even hear this passage. They bow down to the Beast and have been punked, err, inc'ed.
For those claiming to be Christians but don't read or follow the Bible:
1 Corinthians 4:5 “Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait till the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of men's hearts.”
Matthew 7:12 “Treat others as you want them to treat you. THIS IS WHAT THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS ARE ALL ABOUT.”
Ob, you don't know what time it is or anything about appointments.
So you wanted to be aborted? Well, have at it. The gubmint aims to please.
Please explain why neither of those verses apply to you?
Is there an asterisk with a footnote below in the Bible saying " * does not apply to lol??"
Did I say I wanted to be aborted? Why would you make such a DELUSIONAL statement? Seek help if you were serious.
"1Cr 4:3 But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man's judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self."
"I judge not mine own self."
Do you have a reading problem? This is all about judging OTHERS. Obviously you don't judge yourself or you'd see the massive hypocrisy in ignoring those verses from the Bible. Wow!
Your version of hypocrisy is suspect, dude. It's a very small thing.
So when you engage in name-calling and insults and pass judgement on others are you OBEYING THE Bible or being a HYPOCRITE?
I await your choice of answers.
"lol??" defeated once again, slinks off with one final religious equivalent to "yo' momma"... Another religious nutter who can't follow his own book of rules yet wags his finger at others.
End Religion, book of rules? Here I thought it was a revelation for helpless dust balls.
The folly of the unSpiritual doing judging always reverts back to self-justification because you can seemingly find someone wuss than you. The Spiritual have already been judged at the CROSS. The payment plan for the unSpiritual is guaranteed to keep you under water for ever. Course, you never intended to make any payments, anyway, right, End Religion?
The idea behind good communication is that one's goal is to be understood. If you truly want an answer maybe stop asking questions via bad poetry.
The TRUTH hurts, doesn't it? You can't attack the validity of what I say, so all you have left is to attack me.
Why not read and start practicing what the Bible says? You'll be amazed to see it says to not pass judgment on others and to follow the Golden Rule. All new for you.
Ob, you're just a plain ol' fashioned bully. You learned it from your cult, americult.
Bully? That's a good one. Almost as funny as the "antichrist" lie.
Keep passing judgment on others and ignoring the Golden Rule. Well done.
So obsessive, now yer passing out permission slips? Athena and the educratists corrupted you to the core.
Was it good for you , too?
"God is an ever receeding pocket of scientific ignorance."
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Your scientists are mere technicians.
A Final Day in the Political Life: Why Mitt, FOX and the Republican’s Billions Lost the Election
Romney began his last campaign day with a brilliant of display of his omni-benevolent multi-taking skills by announcing that through a supreme act of will, and by firing 47% of his Mormon faith and consolidating it into the remaining 53%, he'd simultaneously found the eternal wisdom of a substantial 24% savings in labor rates alone by following the Eight-fold Path , through Lao Tzu’s Art of War, to the Buddhist and Taoist vote. Two hours later he was seen riding on an elephant through Chinatown, holding pictures of Gandhi, Krishna and Mao while chanting "Harry Krenshaw(?)" in hopes of attracting Hopi Indians (because all Indian guys can ride elephants), Chinese and those bald guys wearing robes in the airports.
Now in full Mitt mode, he next enraged practically all Latino, Hispanic and Yaqui voters at a brunch with both Mescalero and the Virgin Mary, after which Mescalero was arrested for possession of peyote in hope of securing the votes of the DEA, ATF, FBI, CIA, NSA, NRA, FOP and that wacko sheriff in Arizona.
His next stop was Denver, where he had a good laugh about tax evasion and off-shore shelters while watching the Daily Show and Colbert Report with a promising group of now taxpaying entrepreneur investors in marijuana clinics in Colorado, California, Washington, and Washington, DC, etc., who mistakenly believed that a tax-exempt stash contribution (easy mistake for anyone) might help change the tax laws in their favor and even stop a war (they were stoned, you know) if he'd only try a bit more of the Afghani bud rolled up with the Nepalese Temple Balls to see the boundless business opportunities in their now properly illuminated light. Mitt later claimed to have had yet another religious experience/revelation which he subsequently forgot while playing with the straws at a local Wendy's. Now we’ll never know. Our loss. Oh, darn.
(Late Update): Mescalero somehow managed to slip the handcuffs and his whereabouts remain unknown. He was last reported breezin' through town on his white horse, Mescalito.
In yet another last ditch effort for votes, the Romney's announced over the family breakfast table and an upside down box of Wheaties that four of their five sons would marry women of different races and ethnicities, while a fifth son as yet to be identified would become gay and attempt to enlist in the Marines because Ann likes the snazzy uniforms. The Navy issued an open invitation in case he' was rejected by the Marines, who after first declining, have now said that they were simply too busy at the moment to respond to hypotheticals, but to call back after the damn war was over. Or more colorful words to that effect – they are Marines.
The last straw breaking news, at least for the afternoon, came when the Mormon Tabernacle in Washington announced at 3:47pm that they were replacing the wizard currently atop their temple with a statue of Mitt who was then reportedly "ascended" into heaven in an secret Mormon ceremony closed to the public, for private consultation with Joseph Smith and Jesus, where Smith reportedly refused to hand over the golden tablets which might have swayed the election in Mitt's favor. As usual, Jesus refused to appear before the cameras for comment, but a spokesman, again as usual, said he promised to get right back to us faster than Mitt can say, "I like (insert favorite cause, food, ethnicity or whatever else you can think of, and/or its antonym, here).
It was all over by nightfall and the final nail in the Romney campaign coffin was set when he was asked in a live interview by an obviously in full-blown conniption, Megan Kelly, if he was even remotely concerned about the painfully conflicting and twisted dichotomy of duplicity he constantly and erratically displayed, to which Mitt confidently replied, "No, I'm not concerned at all. My proctologist is very gentle and Ann's behind me 100%." Kelly was momentarily restrained during the break by police after garroting a now permanently comatose Karl Rove under the anchor desk with her panty hose and Karl’s own string of pearls, but was released when everyone, including the police, paramedics, even Nancy Grace and that Greta lady agreed that no jury in this or any alternate universe would ever convict and besides, the ceaseless replays of the heinous act had sent their ratings through the roof. Judge Judy pronounced Rove’s intellectual demise an act of god and Kelly innocent of all charges, but stipulated that she would have to continue lithium and electroshock therapy for life.
Mitt's final comment of the day was captured on a pizza delivery guy's iPhone at the airport and broadcast to the entire world for almost ten minutes before Ted Nugent could take him down with a bow shot to the leg. All he meant to say was, "It rests with the angels now...” which was just fine until he then added while slipping into a vacant stare, "...or maybe with those whirling guys with the dervish-looking things..." Someone on the staff thankfully slipped him a mickey and the cabin door was sealed while the cops hauled Nugent away. The pizza guy was immediately hired by msnbc.
The angels and Sufis in an emphatic joint statement said, "Leave us the hell out of this."
Maybe they’ll someday all figure out for themselves why they lost the race, but in the meantime the RNC brain-trust (meaning: trust us, we have a brain) has announced that they are going to enhance their approval ratings with Hispanic voters by presenting just the right combination of empty, non-substantive words, combined with images of Jeb Bush with his hand up the back of a Marco Rubio puppet whenever Marco’s unavailable, in an ad infinitum media loop which will begin airing next week when FOX announces the debut of the 2016 election assault against reason season.
It would appear that duplicity, at least for a most important day in America, realized its fate as its own worst enemy. And I’m hip to that. A huge segment of our society has been lied to in a very big way, and not by us. So perhaps you might put personal animosities aside for awhile, try putting just one-tenth of your hatred into really constructive problem solving, and let’s see where we get. And then maybe you’ll contribute a twenty percent effort the next time around instead of simply obstructing everything, which is a stone-cold, guaranteed path to accomplishing absolutely nothing.
So do yourselves and all of us a favor: Turn off FOX now. And forever.
Dude, just call yer man at the FCC and quit complaining.
I am Pro –life and voted for President Obama. Some say there are 2 million abortions in the USA annually (up to 100 million past to present day) let’s say that figure is correct. Hypothetically let’s do away with all abortions. In ten years there would be 20 million more unwanted, (USA population 310 million) unloved children on earth in the USA. Republicans say give these immoral people nothing, absolutely no programs to improve their lot. You must see the problem with that thinking. Free contraceptives if they prevent unwanted pregnancies are an invaluable tool to prevent abortions. The problem may be that our churches don’t see the log in their own eye and would rather remove the splinter from the eye of a citizen of another country. To prevent abortions you must bring immoral people to a higher spiritual understanding and that really is the only answer and that responsibility falls on religious organizations and churches that claim to be holier than thou.
The usurpation has already occurred. Now bow down to washington and exalt all their little pharisees.
The Bible NEVER mentions abortion. Why not read it sometime?
An antichrist telling a Christian to read the Scripture? What's wrong with this picture? Rhymes for the times.
What's wrong with this picture is that the Christian obviously hasn't read the Bible. Otherwise, he'd know that abortion isn't mentioned in it.
Ob, you read in "abortion" in my posts. I can infer you do the same with Scripture with all kinds of subjects. Take off yer shoes when you read the book.
That's classic. You might want to read the comment that you are specifically part of here by McShannon. Not about abortion, huh?
Ob, YOU made the CHOICE to be narrow minded. Now You are stuck with ye olde brain patterns. Blame that on the Creator and see how it flies on your judgment day.
The people who are narrow-minded are those who say no abortions for anyone and leave no choice for the mother. Every mother's situation is different. Every mother should have the right to decide what is best for her mental and physical health. You don't have a clue what any individual's situation is. It's not you decision to risk their lives to complete a pregnancy which has a much higher risk of death to the mother.
The Bible shows time and again that God never gave a rip if the women he commanded to be killed were pregnant or not. Read it sometime.
Ob, how did you become such an obsessive hater? You better have it looked at by a doctor. It appears to be contagious from some of the other posts here and You are a Carrier.
Methinks lol?? is Lorraine somehow resisting the urge to type "praise YHWH" at the end of each post...
Taking children to church should be made against the law. Terrifying children with the concept of hell should be made as illegal as other forms of child abuse. I feel so sad when I see kids going into church, knowing that they will be brainwashed, and have low test scores later. Religion is the most anti-american thing there is.
I perceive you have cultivated your impulse to slaughter Christians. Was it a grueling experience that took immense self-sacrifice? How long til you reach your goal?
Rather than inculcating our children with the primary-color simple Sunday school legends and myths most people do, might I suggest the following ten comandments to enable them to think for themselves.
1. DO NOT automatically believe something just because a parent, priest, rabbi or minister tells you that you must.
2. DO NOT think that claims about magic and the supernatural are more likely true because they are written in old books. That makes them less likely true.
3. DO analyze claims about religion with the same critical eye that you would claims about money, political positions or social issues.
4. DO NOT accept it when religious leaders tell you it is wrong to question, doubt or think for yourself. It never is. Only those selling junk cars get frightened when you want to "look under the hood".
5. DO decouple morality from a belief in the supernatural, in any of its formulations (Christianity, Judaism, Islam etc.). One can be moral without believing in gods, ghosts and goblins and believing in any of them does not make one moral.
6. DO a bit of independent research into whatever book you were brought up to believe in. Who are its authors and why should I believe them in what they say? How many translations has it gone through? Do we have originals, or only edited copies of copies of copies– the latter is certainly true for every single book in the Bible.
7. DO realize that you are only a Christian (or Hindu or Jew) because of where you were born. Were you lucky enough to be born in the one part of the World that “got it right”?
8. DO NOT be an apologist or accept the explanation “your mind is too small to understand the greatness of god” or “god moves in mysterious ways” when you come upon logical inconsistencies in your belief. A retreat to mysticism is the first refuge of the cornered wrong.
9. DO understand where your religion came from and how it evolved from earlier beliefs to the point you were taught it. Are you lucky enough to be living at that one point in history where we “got it right”?
10. DO educate yourself on the natural Universe, human history and the history of life on Earth, so as to be able to properly evaluate claims that a benevolent, mind-reading god is behind the whole thing.
I sometimes think that, if we first taught our children these simple guidelines, any religion or other supernatural belief would be quickly dismissed by them as quaint nostalgia from a bygone era. I hope we get there as a species
While there is a correlation in the US between fundamentalist Christianity and low standardized test scores (IQ and SAT) and Islam and low test scores there is zero evidence that either a) there is a relationship between religion in general on test scores (some religious groups actually score well) or that b) there is any causal relationship of religion influencing test scores. I'm not a fan of most religion, but lets not over state the claims here.
Hey fellow americultians, I have a wunnerful idea. Send your killa daughters to West Point! It could be very entertaining for ya, if ya can afford the ticket prices.
Make sure you give em GI shoulder pads. It'll make em look more authoritative and fearsome.
why do only 60% of votes qualify to elect a president? ( or senator)
We should have compulsory voting like in Australia, Brazil and Singapore. If this is not acceptable, then we can do this : All votes that are not cast are deemed to go to a "default candidate" which is decided on a state by state basis by the governor of the state. e.g. if the state has a republican governor then all uncast votes go to Romney, and for democrat governor, Obama.
I hardly think you would have an issue if your guy was the one with the 60%.
"decided on a state by state basis by the governor of the state"
That's just the kind of logic we'd expect from the Tea Party. If people don't care enough to vote, we can assign their "votes" to the party of the governor. Ridiculous.
I think a more important first step is to introduce ranked balloting so third parties can have a meaningful chance without the additional candidate threatening to skew the count and land us with someone noone wants.
y duz a crisian nation have a prez called Hussein?
y duz you thinx that a persunz naim definez hiz faeth?
fact is, all muslim countries have leaders called abdulla, hussein or mo hammed
Think about this for a moment....
this is NOT a christian nation. :-)
I find it hard to believe that you could be that amazingly ignorant. However if you were home schooled then I could see that. I am leaning towards troll.
I find it strange that there are hardly ANY Christians in the "Holy Lands" where Jesus spent his life performing miracles, but the Romans, who killed him, are HUGE fans.
What over the last few thousand years gives us this notion that everyone will think and believe the same thing? Groups are made up of people with different ideas and beliefs. Groups of Catholics are not filled with individuals who think and believe and act the same. This is true of Christians, left and/or right or Muslims or Jewish or buddhists. This is true of left, right, democrats, republicans, liberals and conservatives. It is human nature, however to generalize first and dig into details second. This story does exactly that as we do when we demonize Democrats or Conservatives. And when we do that and we throw the details out for the simplicity of generalization, we get what we have and we give up conversation for aggression. This is why we have war. This is why we kill each other. And here we are, the best educated, most intelligent, most civilized group of humans to ever inahbit this earth and we continue as those Thousands of years ago. So I wonder, why spend money on education? Why make believe we are progressing when we have, in fact, largely remained the same in that we still do not communicate but rather attack instead. Who cares about the conservative Christians or any other group- they all act the same when you come right down to it.
Yep, you don't get it and can't.
Its not really strange. the muslums drove them out or killed them. And we encourage muslums to come to our crisian lands. Bleh..
There is no historical evidence of large groups of Christians in the Holy Lands that were killed by Muslims or anyone else. The Christian religion was largely invented by Europeans.
Finally people are choosing who to run the country based on more than just religious issues. This country was founded on the separation of church and state and it is good to see that people are finally considering the larger issues such as the economy when voting for their leader.
The country is worse than broke. Of course you approve of ye olde funny business, inflation.
Maybe people in general are no longer allowing people who adhere to a specific dogmatic interpretation of the Bible dictate their values and choices. Perhaps they see the hypocracy in swearing celebacy except in the case of young boys. Perhaps they are offended by the organized cover up of the hypocracy. Maybe they recognize we are all humans with our flaws and trying to to the best we can. And maybe they understand that 2 men or 2 women marrying doesn't devalue their own marriage, only they can do that.
Dr Dog, the way you speak!
The sheep buggerers, sodomites, Castro district 69ers, and Fire Island barebackers will not inherit the earth.
At least you are fair when you pick on sodomites since that encompasses gays and millions of heteros.
wilbur......you are a punk. your god is a punk. f you and your god
The election results show that more whote people are becoming less hateful and ignorant. It also shows that the middle class are waking up to the fact that the GOP's only concern is the 3%'rs
Certainly one of the most rediculous and scariest thing I have read because many people believe such idocy. Both democrats and republican wish to iprove life but they ahve a different process- these are process issues. All people have the identical potential to hate and be repulsed by people different than they or to be tolerant of others. If that is not true, then one must believe that white supremicists may have a point and maybe genetic makeup of different groups may predispose certain groups to be kinder or not, more intelligent or not. I for one do not believe that or such stuff as you wish to believe.
You likum Siberium, commie mommie? Gonna send the Christians there, FACT-declarer?
Commie? What simple-minded name-calling.
Look you 47 percent loafing slackers, Jesus WAS and IS a capitalist! Just consider the parable of the talents, in which He presents the productive people with more because they worked and made use of their abilities. However, with the 47 percenter slacker proto-type, Jesus castigated him for being a lazy, good-for-nothing loser and He took the one talent that was given him and He gave it to the more prosperous of the characters in the parable. However, in America, we reward the losers in life and rob the productive. This is not right and this is NOT Jesus’s way. While Jesus commands us to help our fellow man in need, He also expects us to be productive and not be a 47 percent taker. Mitt was right! America is not America anymore. It is the land of the over taxed and the moochers.
Concerning the 47%;
"I WAS COMPLETELY WRONG" – Mitt Romney.
On the other hand, God killed all the innocent "first born sons of Egypt" which would be considered a VERY late term abortion wouldn't it?
As long as we're on the subject, why didn't he just kill the Pharoah? I'm pretty sure that would have accomplished his objectives.
Are you sure he "designed" the universe? He just doesn't seem all that "intelligent" to me.
samsjmail, you sound eminently qualified to argue the cases of those innocents when they are judged. Have at it. Now go find em.
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