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Romney’s loss closes out ‘Mormon moment’
Mitt Romney attending church on Sunday earlier this year.
November 8th, 2012
03:20 PM ET

Romney’s loss closes out ‘Mormon moment’

By Dan Merica, CNN

Washington (CNN) – Mitt Romney’s defeat appears to close out a years-long “Mormon moment,” a period of national fascination with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

It has also provoked Mormon disappointment; Romney would have been first Latter-day Saint in the White House, culminating a decades-long process of growing Mormon acceptance and influence.

But prominent Mormons and religion experts say Mormons should be heartened that Romney’s candidacy appeared to help mainstream the relatively young faith, which was founded in 1830 in upstate New York.

“Part of the Mormon moment was curiosity and much of that curiosity has been satisfied,” said John Green, professor of political science at the University of Akron.

“There will always be people who disagree with them,” Green said, “but the sense is that this community is part of the broad middle of American society.”

As stories about the LDS Church graced the covers of magazines and front pages of newspapers, the church’s press office was working overtime to answer questions from around the globe. A church that prefers to keep private became very public.

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“Without question there has been an increase in interest in the Church over the past several years,” church spokesman Michael Purdy told CNN. “Although there have been exceptions, this attention has given people the opportunity to know who we are and what we believe.”

It also meant more publicity for aspects of the church that many Mormons would prefer not dwell on, like the church’s onetime practice of polygamy (the church banned the practice more than 100 years ago) and its denial of the priesthood to black members until the late 1970s.

But even the uncomfortable questions were good for the church, said Richard Bushman, a Mormon scholar who has served as a local Mormon leader.

“So long as those objections and criticisms were kept under wraps, they just sort of festered there,” Bushman said. “Getting them out in the open where people could speak candidly, that in a way clears the atmosphere.”

Coverage of Mormonism also led to some level of misinformation. One example: On the TV show “The View,” on October 18, 2012, Whoopi Goldberg asked Ann Romney, Mitt Romney’s wife, about how she would relate to soldiers.

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“As first lady, if you get the job, it’s going to entail a lot of things, and one of those things is going to be talking to the mothers whose children are coming home in bags, you know, from wars,” Goldberg said. “Now, I know - I believe that your religion doesn’t allow you to go fight.”

Goldberg was wrong. Mormons are actually known to enlist in the military at higher levels than others. “No, that's not correct,” Ann Romney told Goldberg. “We have many, many members of our faith that are serving in armed services.”

Purdy, the church spokesman, says such exchanges were ultimately beneficial.

“A good deal of misinformation has been replaced with a more accurate picture of the Church, its doctrines, and its members across the world,” Purdy said. “That is a good thing for all involved and we look forward to these opportunities continuing.”

But with Romney’s loss, interest in Mormonism is expected to dwindle. Joanna Brooks, a well known Mormon blogger and author says it’s only a matter of time until that interest returns.

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“There have been many Mormon moments, and there will be many more to come,” she said. “Mormonism remains a vibrant and distinctive force on the American religious landscape, and as a young religion with a new global reach, the Mormon story is still unfolding.”

The last Mormon moment, she said, was a good one: “This is a moment in which the nation proved that it was capable of having a discussion about candidates and platforms without openly subjecting either candidate to a religious test.”

Though Romney’s faith garnered plenty of coverage - from Time’s cover story “The Mormon Identity,” to New York Magazine’s “Where is the Mormonism in Mitt Romney?,” - neither the campaigns nor outside groups made much, if any, mention of it.

Romney’s bid seemed to improve relations between Mormons and evangelical Christians, many of whom have long seen the LDS Church as a cult. In May, Romney spoke at Liberty University, founded by Jerry Falwell.

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Weeks before the election, too, the Rev. Billy Graham met with Romney for the first time and removed “Mormonism” from a section of his website devoted to cults.

“The Billy Graham business, for me that was symbolic that evangelicals instead of just dismissing Mormonism, (they) now need to talk a little more about what they mean,” Bushman said.

According to exit polls on Tuesday, 79% of white evangelical Christians voted for Mitt Romney in 2012. That’s an even higher share of the white evangelical vote than John McCain got in 2008, when he was the Republican presidential nominee.

“From the point of view of religious tolerance and acceptance, there were some really positive trends,” Green said. “It does suggest that the path towards greater religious tolerance has continued.”

Green raised the subject with his students after Tuesday’s election. At the end of the conversation, Green said one non-Mormon student’s comment encapsulated the strides Mormonism made in the last year.

“They aren’t any stranger,” the student joked, “than anyone else.”

– CNN’s Allison Brennan contributed to this report.

- Dan Merica

Filed under: 2012 Election • Mitt Romney • Mormonism • Politics

soundoff (1,823 Responses)
  1. creative36

    Humans need to get over these cults. I think as we evolve and are monkey brain start morph with machines and computers these weird primitive rituals will fade out of existance.

    November 9, 2012 at 7:42 am |
  2. Casey

    Ok, I am done talking about religion – Well, almost...In the book of Revelations, Jesus speaks of the Churches) and how they did certain things to displease, in other words, THERE ARE NO PERFECT RELIGIONS and none have it 100% correct What matters is that your personal relationship with the Lord and understanding (from the Holy Spirit) of the things of God.

    Personally, I was raised Baptist, went to Assemblies of God later in life, and am now disenchanted with all religion. I also think that a number of mega churches are out of hand, should be taxed to some degree, unless 100% goes back to the people of the Church and missions, helping the poor. The big reason there are many people on food stamps etc., is that the Church does not help their people anymore. (One exception is the Salvation Army who helps all no matter what religion)

    By the way, I am a giver, but I've seen too much corruption in the Church and coverups of that corruption.

    November 9, 2012 at 7:40 am |
  3. Reality

    Only for the new members of this blog-

    Putting the kibosh on religion to include Mormonism: (and one does this in less than 10 seconds which should make all believers very concerned)

    • As far as one knows or can tell, there was no Abraham i.e. the foundations of Judaism, Christianity and Islam are non-existent.

    • As far as one knows or can tell, there was no Moses i.e the pillars of Judaism, Christianity and Islam have no strength of purpose.

    • There was no Gabriel i.e. Islam fails as a religion. Christianity partially fails.

    • There was no Easter i.e. Christianity completely fails as a religion.

    • There was no Moroni i.e. Mormonism is nothing more than a business cult.

    • Sacred/revered cows, monkey gods, castes, reincarnations and therefore Hinduism fails as a religion.

    • Fat Buddhas here, skinny Buddhas there, reincarnated/reborn Buddhas everywhere makes for a no on Buddhism.

    Added details available upon written request.

    A quick search will put the kibosh on any other groups calling themselves a religion.

    e.g. Taoism

    "The origins of Taoism are unclear. Traditionally, Lao-tzu who lived in the sixth century is regarded as its founder. Its early philosophic foundations and its later beliefs and rituals are two completely different ways of life. Today (1982) Taoism claims 31,286,000 followers.

    Legend says that Lao-tzu was immaculately conceived by a shooting star; carried in his mother's womb for eighty-two years; and born a full grown wise old man. "
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    November 9, 2012 at 7:34 am |
    • Reality

      Ten more seconds of your time to put the kibosh on all religions:

      AND THE INFAMOUS ANGELIC CONS CONTINUE TO WREAK STUPIDITY UPON THE WORLD

      Joe Smith had his Moroni. (As does M. Romney)

      "Latter-day Saints like M. Romney also believe that Michael the Archangel was Adam (the first man) when he was mortal, and Gabriel lived on the earth as Noah."

      Jehovah Witnesses have their Jesus /Michael the archangel, the first angelic being created by God;

      Mohammed had his Gabriel (this "tin-kerbell" got around).

      Jesus and his family had/has Michael, Gabriel, and Satan, the latter being a modern day demon of the demented. (As does BO and his family)(As do Biden and Ryan)

      The Abraham-Moses myths had their Angel of Death and other "no-namers" to do their dirty work or other assorted duties.

      Contemporary biblical and religious scholars have relegated these "pretty wingie/horn-blowing thingies" to the myth pile. We should do the same to include deleting all references to them in our religious operating manuals. Doing this will eliminate the prophet/profit/prophecy status of these founders and put them where they belong as simple humans just like the rest of us.

      November 9, 2012 at 7:37 am |
  4. NoTags

    What the LDS (mormons) can't run from is this statement by Joseph Smith regarding Joseph Smith's alleged first vision where celestial personages appeared to him.

    "My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right — and which I should join. I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong, and the personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in His sight: that those professors were all corrupt." (Joseph Smith, History of the Church, vol. 1, p. 5-6)

    That's right Christians, whether you may be Catholic, Baptist, Methodist, Presbyterian, Episcopalian, etc. Romney's cult believes your religion/denomination is an abomination, and your minister, preacher, priest, etc. are all corrupt.

    Mitt Romney subscribes to, and supports this theology. True Christians will not support a candidate who believes their religion is abomination and their minister is corrupt.

    November 9, 2012 at 7:30 am |
    • Wrong

      It's not said that other religions are an abomination. It's believed that other religions have partial truths, the Mormon church holds the entire truth – the fullness of the gospel.

      November 9, 2012 at 7:49 am |
    • Otis

      So, if i am to understand the nature of your comment correctly, "True Christians will not support a candidate who believes their religion is abomination and their minister is corrupt," you mean to say that all TRUE christians would NEVER believe another religion to be incorrect, or an abomination, and would assume their leaders and members to be good people too? Certainly, by your definition, a TRUE christian would never speak ill things about other religions and their leaders and members. Hmmm, food for thought. What then do you, and all the other negative posters, consider yourselves to be then?

      November 9, 2012 at 9:18 am |
    • NoTags

      @Wrong; Just what part of "and the personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in His sight: that those professors were all corrupt" do you not understand?

      These were Joseph Smith's words. That's why in the very beginning I stated that mormons couldn't run from this statement. You can try to twist the facts and say that these words were not stated, however they are in black and white in the History of the Chruch.

      res ipsa loquitur

      November 9, 2012 at 9:24 am |
    • NoTags

      @Otis, I have no idea what other as you say 'negative posters' may or may not believe about the LDS cult.

      I consider myself to be is a Bible believing, born again Christian. I don't need the "Book of Mormon Another Testament of Jesus Christ", "Doctrine and Covenants" and "Pearl of Great Price" to supplement my KJV version of the Bible.

      Plain and simple, Joseph Smith was a shyster and a fraud.

      res ipsa loquitur

      November 9, 2012 at 9:41 am |
  5. Mark H

    It's absolutely true I didn't like Mitt Romney because he was a "card carrying" Mormon. What do I mean? I know plenty of Mormons, born into the religion, that know much of it, if not all of its early history is fabricated. And they accept that. It's one of the few demonstrably false religions out there. The fact that Romney refused to acknowledge the blatant lies and racism of the church like other rational Mormons told me he had his head so far up his a** that he couldn't tell reality from fantasy or right from wrong.

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    Google "ExposeRomney"

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    November 9, 2012 at 7:30 am |
  6. Aliana

    Yeah and it also allowed people to do basic google searches and find the LDS church has 0, absolutely 0, archaeological evidence to back up their claims.

    November 9, 2012 at 7:15 am |
  7. unknown11

    I will always remember the hate for mormons that I witnessed from the left on this site. The supposed liberals who were filled with nothing but hate over a man's religion. It is a low and demonstrated just how open and accepting the left has become.

    November 9, 2012 at 7:13 am |
    • Sane Person

      I'll always remember that you just discovered that when you try to dictate rules and morals to other people, they dont like it. I hope you and other christians remember that for a long time. You can follow any invisible cloud people's rules you want. Don't expect rational people to follow in your footsteps, and dont expect them to allow you to turn your fantasies into laws.

      November 9, 2012 at 7:16 am |
    • nope

      @sa...
      nope

      November 9, 2012 at 7:21 am |
    • Jim in Houston

      Untrue. Liberal churches like the UUs are acceptant of those Cultists. It's evangelicals that refuse to accept those who wear magic underwear and believe they become Gods upon their death. Mormonism is a cult, a nasty, racist, bigoted cult that supports pedophilia (just like the Catholics) .

      November 9, 2012 at 7:22 am |
    • Mark H

      It's what Mormons represent that people don't like. Romney and the other "elite" of the Mormon hierarchy inside the LDS church have pulled the wool over the eyes of the people for too long. Thank God the internet offers a place for LDS members to look up information, buy books, and find discussion groups helping them to realize that yes they have been lied to. It's true anyone can write something on the internet, but you can be great academic books about DNA, archeology, linguistics, etc. proving beyond a doubt that the "stories" of Joseph Smith were all fabricated – pure lies. And the LDS Church knows it.

      November 9, 2012 at 7:37 am |
  8. Morgiana

    Here is something for everyone to ponder: the white republicans were so concerned about Obama's religion.....(was he a Muslim?)....the Blacks didn't care because Obama was a Black!.........On the other hand....if a white Republican were to be elected to office...and was a Muslim......the Blacks would be asking to see his birth certificate! HA HA HA.....Like the Blacks are impartial voters....most of them voted on race....although some of them did in fact vote for Romney! And according to the reports that have been coming out since the election...those blacks that did vote for Romney...are being ostracized by the African American communities they live in....because they didn't vote for Obama. Got to love this!

    November 9, 2012 at 7:12 am |
    • just wondering

      Why do you love hatred and bigotry?

      November 9, 2012 at 7:23 am |
  9. WE HOLD THESE TRUTHS TO BE SELF EVIDENT

    Now take your spoiled family and all your right wing nut jobs and go drink some Kool-Aid! Good riddance!

    November 9, 2012 at 6:58 am |
  10. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things .

    November 9, 2012 at 6:56 am |
    • Sane Person

      Glad to hear you prayed for Obama! Thanks!

      November 9, 2012 at 7:11 am |
    • truth be told

      No. Poor leadership is Gods curse on a nation. Barry is not an answer to prayer unless that prayer asked for divine judgment against America.

      November 9, 2012 at 7:21 am |
    • Sane Person

      Ahh christian rationality. If they dont like it, the devil did it. If they like it, its god's will. So easy to rationalize away anything when you arent burdened by proof, facts or reason.

      November 9, 2012 at 7:23 am |
    • just wondering

      @sane person
      What does any of your last post have to do with anything that was said? Are you sure about the "sane" part?

      November 9, 2012 at 7:26 am |
    • Sane Person

      And I see you lack cognitive ability as well. This may explain your fascination with religion rather than reason. Think hard, you'll understand eventually. If not, ask your neighbor for help.

      November 9, 2012 at 7:28 am |
    • TrollAlert

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      "pervert alert" is the degenerate.

      This troll is not a christian.

      November 9, 2012 at 9:35 am |
    • Jesus

      Prayer does not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs.`

      November 9, 2012 at 9:39 am |
  11. Casey

    To GOP Christians who sat it out. They did the right thing. I was concerned that Christians would not sit it out and follow their pastors. I am proud to know that there are true believers out there who understand that they cannot vote for a Mormon because they believe that they are little gods and that Jesus was a man and not the Son of God. I am a Christian democrat who does not agree with all things liberal, however, I do know to hate the sin and love the sinner and that God has control over all things. I also truely believe that Barrack Obama is a Christian (although considered a baby Christian) and that all need to pray for him. For all the athiest, you do not have any hope after death – that seems sad to me. Christians have hope in resurrection to come. This brings joy to us in knowing this is not the end, but the beginning.

    November 9, 2012 at 6:10 am |
    • saggyroy

      The more "real christians" sit out and don't vote, the better it is for the real world.

      November 9, 2012 at 6:12 am |
    • B. C.

      Anyone thinking that the LDS / Mormons see Jesus Christ as "just a man" have not understood the doctrine. Jesus Christ's divine character and his role as Savior and Redeemer are very clear too all LDS / Mormon - and that abounds in all Church literature you can find.

      November 9, 2012 at 6:37 am |
  12. Sue

    You left me at the angels with magic glasses thing....you can't make this stuff up!!....oh wait, yes you can...

    November 9, 2012 at 5:50 am |
  13. Casey

    A real Christian sat out this election because they could not vote for a Mormon, and did not want the President. In other words, a good Christian does not vote a spite vote.

    November 9, 2012 at 5:47 am |
    • saggyroy

      You could have prayed. That almost ALWAYS works.

      November 9, 2012 at 6:08 am |
    • Orso

      That is one silly christian.

      November 9, 2012 at 6:43 am |
  14. Casey

    Mormon's believe they are little gods and Jesus was a man like us. This is the real problem with mormonism. They are good people led astray...

    As some of you said, and I agree...Barrack Obama is a Christian who believes in the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, and that Jesus (Son of God), died to redeem us from Sin and Death. Glory be to God!

    Christians keep praying for your President and those so-called Christians whom for some reason, don't understand the true teachings of Christ who came to save not only the elect, but the sinner.

    November 9, 2012 at 5:42 am |
    • B. C.

      Anyone thinking that the LDS / Mormons see Jesus Christ as "just a man" have not understood the doctrine. Jesus Christ's divine character and his role as Savior and Redeemer are very clear too all LDS / Mormon - and that abounds in all Church literature you can find.

      November 9, 2012 at 6:38 am |
    • abe

      He is going to need a lot of prayer especially he is killing a million babies with his planned parenthood initiatives.

      November 9, 2012 at 8:22 am |
  15. Mi Poo

    You guys arguing over which "god" is better remind me of that song for Ken L Ration dog food (yeah, I know it gives away my age). Here are the modified lyrics for you:

    My god's better than your god
    My god's better than yours
    My god's better 'cause he
    My god's better than yours!

    November 9, 2012 at 5:37 am |
    • Casey

      I actually like this little jingle – if I recall, some Christian churches used to have the kids sing it this way.

      November 9, 2012 at 6:23 am |
    • RoguePlanet

      Dude, I don't care if you sing "I wish I were an Oscar Meier weiner." Faith is relative, its our actions on Earth that matter. Until we get where we're going, it's all we have to measure.

      Of course, if I were an Oscar Meier weiner, everyone would be in love with meeeeeee.

      (Ahem)

      Carry on.

      November 9, 2012 at 6:33 am |
  16. RoguePlanet

    Heck, most Christians don't even follow the teachings of Christ and the laws of the Bible: "You shall love thy neighbor as you love thyself, there shall be no other Commandment greater than this." Whole lotta hate coming out of these so-called Christian Tea Party Patriot Republicans. Maybe we need to hate less and just work together more. Hands across the aisle instead of across their chests, and all that.

    November 9, 2012 at 5:37 am |
    • saggyroy

      Love thy neighbor, but do not covet thy neighbors wife. That's a toughy.

      November 9, 2012 at 6:10 am |
    • RoguePlanet

      Saggyroy – you got that right, brother...high five!

      November 9, 2012 at 6:16 am |
  17. Petra

    for those of you that think that Mormon is a religion, please look up and you will notice that the sky is yellow!! Ass-holes!!
    Now, you know that you cannot get victory for the Devil or cult!
    Take that! God, Jehovah, the most HIGH is still the alpha and omega, the beginning and the end, and God still reigns and only he is King of King and Lord of Lords! So take this time to re-analyzed your position!

    November 9, 2012 at 5:18 am |
    • wa2go

      Petra, I'm sorry, but you are nucking futs

      November 9, 2012 at 5:26 am |
    • Mi Poo

      Wa2go – I wish I could "like" your comment. You rock!

      November 9, 2012 at 5:33 am |
    • RoguePlanet

      A religion doesn't have to be 2000 years old to be legitimate. The Jewish faith predates Christianity but does not include Jesus, does that make it less legitimate? I think any faith that shares good ideas and promotes understanding and kindness deserves our attention. Any so-called belief system that rules with hate and fear, intolerance and bigotry, really needs to be left to the winds of history.

      Christianity is a good and fine religion, and it has a lot of good ideas, if only some of its purported followers were so noble and accepting as He who founded their faith.

      With respect.

      November 9, 2012 at 5:40 am |
    • Mirosal

      Rogue, you'd better read up on the history of the Christian churches. You'll see they are rife with hatred, fear, bigotry, and intolerance, even to this day.

      November 9, 2012 at 5:45 am |
    • RoguePlanet

      Mirosal – oh, I am ALL too familiar with the history of Christianity as a tool or an excuse to do horrible things in this world. However, I don't proscribe to the notion that it is the religion that's the problem, it's the people. As I have said elsewhere, people are either good or bad, the religion they profess to follow is secondary. Bad people will use their faith to justify horrible acts, regardless of what name is on the book they read from. There are far more good and kind Christians and Mormons than there are those who would use Christianity to foster hate and fear, they just aren't as loud.

      November 9, 2012 at 6:01 am |
    • wa2go

      Hey, thanks Mi Poo! I just call it like I see it. :-)

      November 12, 2012 at 5:03 pm |
  18. Petra

    Hell, Mormon is a cult pure and simple! If you love and follow Jesus Christ, you will know that anything else in unacceptable!
    You can only fool some of the people some of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time!
    If being in a cult serves your purpose, one thing we have in America is freedom to choose!
    Analyze this: President Obama God is the most high, the creator of heaven and earth and the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob and even the God of my grandparents, mother and myself and that is why GOD GAVE HIS FAITHFUL SERVANT BARACK OBAMA THE VICTORY!!
    Ask Mit Romney was can his Mormon cult do and failed to do for him.
    To God be the glory for the wonderful things he has done in re-electing President Obama! AMEN, AMEN, AMEN! Hallelujah!!

    November 9, 2012 at 5:14 am |
    • Really

      Petra = @@ coo coo @@

      November 9, 2012 at 5:21 am |
    • RoguePlanet

      "(You shall) Love thy neighbor as thyself." Mark 12:31.

      If you were a follower of Jesus' teachings, you'd know that one, too.

      Boom!

      November 9, 2012 at 5:29 am |
    • Mirosal

      Sure, Mormoniam is a cult. That's a given. So is Christainity. Pot, meet kettle.

      November 9, 2012 at 5:30 am |
    • Mirosal

      The only difference between a cult and a religion is the number of followers. 100 is a cult, 100 million is a religion.

      November 9, 2012 at 5:32 am |
    • RoguePlanet

      mirosol, it doesn't matter if it's five or five billion, one person's religion is ALWAYS someone else's cult. We should just live and let live, and all that. I'm not a religious man, but someone else being a Mormon doesn't hurt me any, just as someone being a Christian doesn't hurt me. What hurts me is a religious zealot using force, threats and humiliation in an attempt to turn me to their way of thinking. Muslim, Christian, it's not the faith, it's the people. It's the ideological terrorism going on with our hearts and minds in this country that's dividing us so badly. It bothers me that a faith that prides itself on being about compassion and kindness, about accepting others and fostering goodness, can be populated by so many people that want to hate me for not believing as they do. Not all Christians are like that, not all Mormons are like that, but there sure are a lot of people in religions all over the planet that ARE like that. It's not religion that's the problem, it's people. There are good people and bad people, and it doesn't matter what book they carry around, or gods they worship, or beliefs they profess – bad people are still bad people, but you shouldn't trash a religion that has a lot of good ideas in it because some people who practice it are bad people. Focus on the good people. The bad people, well, they tend to get rid of themselves rather handily eventually. Stop feeding them with your own hate, and they'll die of starvation.

      November 9, 2012 at 5:52 am |
  19. Vanka

    Mormonism is a young religion.

    It is like the Taliban in embryo.

    Now that is an argument in favor of abortion!

    November 9, 2012 at 4:48 am |
    • RoguePlanet

      I'm sure the Romans felt that way about 2000 years ago. It didn't turn out all that well for them.

      November 9, 2012 at 5:07 am |
    • Mirosal

      Hey, Christianity started with 12 Jewish guys and a motivational speaker. In today's day and age, you'd be rather vocal in calling THAT a cult, wouldn't you?

      November 9, 2012 at 5:42 am |
    • RoguePlanet

      Mirosal – twelve people and a motivational speaker? Oh, I *like* that. I like it when its boiled down to its simplest terms. I like it when you think that one guy with motivation, good words, and progressive ideas can change the world. Of course, in Christian terms, it doesn't hurt that the one guy was the Son of God. Still, I think that's almost like arguing who's cooler – Batman or Superman. If you think of Jesus Christ as Superman, an all-powerful being with good ideas who can't be hurt by bullets or bombs, but can take over the world with his powers and chooses not to out of goodness, that's an impressive notion. Or, conversely, if you think of Jesus Christ as Batman, someone who is motivated to do something right in the world because of his strong beliefs, who does what he feels is important and necessary, regardless of the fact that he could die for those beliefs at any moment at the hands of those who oppose him, well that's impressive, too. Either way, it's one guy with a good idea and the desire to share that idea with the world, that can change everything. Maybe we need to hate less and help more, and be that one man. Sound like a plan?

      November 9, 2012 at 5:57 am |
    • Mirosal

      Wouldn't really have a problem with that, but this "son of god" thing is just way too out there. In the 200,000 years our species has been on this planet, after thousands upon thousands of "gods" have been worshipped, NOT A SINGLE ONE has ever... ever.. been shown to actually exist. So for someone to claim to be the son of a god, that would just earn them a ticket to a psychiatrist's couch, and probably with a court order attached to it. By the way, Hercules was the "son of a god" too, but you're not worshipping him .. why not?

      November 9, 2012 at 6:05 am |
    • RoguePlanet

      Dude, I don't worship Hercules because Kevin Sorbo is just a terrible, terrible actor.

      Maybe you haven't been paying attention, I don't worship ANY God. I'm an Atheist. I just don't think you should hate a religion for its followers, there are far more good, kind and just Christians as there are bad ones, same is true of Mormons or any other faith. The good ones just aren't as loud. The bad ones are the ones who use idealogical terrorism in an effort to win our hearts and minds. They usually just end up with our a$$es. Does that make it clearer?

      November 9, 2012 at 6:09 am |
    • RoguePlanet

      By the way, not a fan of Kevin Sorbo as an actor, but he is a very nice man. I met him once at a science fiction convention in Pasadena, and he's a class act. Maybe that's a metaphor for the whole man vs. faith thing – I didn't care for his performance as a fictional character, but the real guy was actually pretty decent. Whaddya know, I'm my own metaphor.

      November 9, 2012 at 6:12 am |
    • Mirosal

      I liked the Kevin Sorbo ana'logy, that was pretty clever. But his "sister" Aphrodite really made that show worth watching lol. There will always be good people, and there will always be bad people. But for the good people to do bad things, that takes religion. I don't have the source for that quote, but I like it. Yet they are quite intrusive. I work with a Muslim, he gave me a Qu'ran when he started, and almost every day he wants to give me a lesson in it. He knows I'm an Atheist, and he tells me that I haven't learned enough to see the reality. The reality of what.. an invisible "spirit" who made me and then will judge me on the imperfections that I was "made" with??? The second line in that book says "This book is for those who fear Allah." I have no fear of any deity. As far as the Bible goes, I was raised in an Irish-Catholic family. 'nuff said there.

      November 9, 2012 at 6:37 am |
  20. Phazon

    Even though most of Christendom practices most of their beliefs based on the bible besides a few things such as hell or heaven when you die which if you look up ecc 9:5 will tell you what really happens when you die but the mormons cannot back up their beliefs with the bible as a matter of fact the book of Mormon contradicts so bad with the bible that Most Mormons don't even look in the bible to test their beliefs and base their sole beliefs on the book of Mormons Their is one easy was way to tell this in Timothy it says that all scripture is inspired of God but what does the book of Mormon say? Based on the writings of Joseph Smith.

    November 9, 2012 at 4:46 am |
    • wa2go

      So how can you really tell which fairy tale is more correct than which other fairy tale??? (Hint: They are all fairy tales!)

      November 9, 2012 at 5:29 am |
    • RoguePlanet

      It doesn't matter if it's real to you, or that you accept it...it's real to them. Mormonism and the LDS theosophy is real to the Mormons, just as Jesus' theosophy is real to Christians. Just because it's not real to you doesn't matter. It matters to them, and so we should respect that. Until we do, neighbor will hate neighbor and we'll just keep on going the way we've been going for decades now – letting what should unite us divide us. I, for one, think that's a bad doctrine to follow.

      November 9, 2012 at 5:46 am |
    • Mirosal

      I don't hate my neighbors. There is a gay couple living next door to me, we get along very well. As long as my neighbors keep their faith in THEIR homes and churches, and not bring to my doorstep, everything is hunky-dory a-ok roger wilco over and out.

      November 9, 2012 at 6:39 am |
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