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 The authors note that Jesus jokes have become popular just since the 1970s.
November 10th, 2012
10:00 PM ET
My Take: What all those Jesus jokes tell us
By Edward J. Blum and Paul Harvey, Special to CNN Did you ever hear the one about Jesus being Mexican? Well, he was bilingual; he was constantly harassed by the government; and his first name was Jesus. Or, perhaps Jesus was Irish? He loved a good story; he never kept a steady job; and his last request was for a drink. Or maybe it’s possible that Jesus was Californian? He never cut his hair; he was always walking around barefoot; and he started a new religion. You may not have heard these Jesus jokes, but you’ve heard others. They represent a comedic trend that has animated the United States since the 1970s. More and more comedy gimmicks hit on Jesus, his ethnicity and his relationship to politics. Laughing with (and at) the Lord is now fodder for major motion pictures, barroom comedy tours, graphic novels, t-shirts and bumper stickers.
How is it that a figure sacred to so many Americans has become the punch line of so many jokes? And why is it acceptable to poke fun at Jesus when other sacred figures are deemed off limits or there is hell to pay for mocking them? The explanations are as numerous as the laughs. Immigration shifts from the 1960s changed the ethnic and religious faces of the country so no tradition dominates today. The Christian right made such a moral spectacle of itself that it practically begged to be mocked. The emergence of “spiritual, but not religious” sensibilities left many Americans willing to denounce or laugh about traditional faith. The public rise of agnosticism, atheism, and secularism led to aggressive mockery as a form of persuasion. Follow the CNN Belief Blog on Twitter If we pause to consider why we’re laughing, we find that the comic bits delve into some of our thorniest and unresolved problems. The jokes reveal much more about us than they do Jesus. They speak to how our society has changed, how it hasn’t, and what we’re obsessed with. The first public jokes about Jesus were heard in the 1970s. There had been religious jokes before this, but none about Jesus had become widely popular because organized Christianity held such authority. As the economic recession and problems of urban decay collided with civil rights exhaustion and new immigration, however, some Jesus jokes emerged. Archie Bunker on “All in the Family” was the white racist and misogynist you loved to hate and hated to love. On one occasion, his son-in-law challenged Bunker’s rampant anti-Semitism with the claim, "Jesus was Jewish." Archie shot back immediately: "Only on his mother's side." The “All in the Family” spin off “Good Times” featured a black family that lives in an inner-city housing project, probably Chicago's infamous Cabrini Green. On the show's second episode, the oldest son J. J. astounded everyone by painting Jesus as black. The younger son loves it, and says he learned all about Christ’s blackness from the local Nation of Islam. CNN’s Belief Blog: The faith angles behind the biggest stories As the family debates whether this black Jesus should be hung on the wall in place of their white Jesus, they “miraculously” receive $140 from the Internal Revenue Service. Feeling blessed, the family placed the painting on its living room wall, and the elated J. J. shouted his tagline, "Dyno-mite!” From the 1980s to the present, the number of prominent Jesus jokes has multiplied like loaves and fishes: • In “Talladega Nights,” Ricky Bobby and his family debated which Jesus to pray to (“baby Jesus in golden fleece diapers,” “grown-up Jesus,” “ninja Jesus”). Their overall hope is that Jesus will help them continue their extravagant lifestyle. • “South Park” featured Jesus as a weak-kneed host of a local talk show who boxes the devil. • “Family Guy” had Jesus perform magic tricks that wowed his ancient audience. • “The Colbert Report” placed a gun in Christ’s hand and had him defend conservatives against the liberal “War on Easter.” • “Saturday Night Live” let Jesus chastise Tim Tebow for using the Lord’s name in vain and ended the bit by declaring that the Mormons have it right. One unforgettable scene in the rather forgettable recent film “21 Jump Street” may explain why Jesus has become such a joke. Before Jonah Hill’s character returns to high school as an undercover cop, he prays to a small, crucified “Korean Jesus.” Down on his knees, he says: “Hey Korean Jesus, I don’t know if you only cater to Korean Christians or if you even exist, no offense. I’m just really freaked out about going back to high school. It was just so f***ing hard the first time. … I just really don’t want to f*** this up. Sorry for swearing so much. The end? I don’t really know how to end the prayer.” The hilarity of the moment only makes sense in our time. Hill's character is unchurched and agnostic, but wants spiritual power to guide him. We can laugh at how agnosticism and being “spiritual, but not religious,” leave him uncertain of what to say, how to say it, and even how to end. We can also laugh at how ethnic factors color his approach. By wondering if Korean Jesus cares only about Korean problems, Hill pokes fun at the issue which was made a media spectacle in 2008, when the Rev. Jeremiah Wright could be heard preaching that “Jesus was a poor black man” as part of his support for Barack Obama. What good is a God who only cares for those who look like him? The Jesus jokes not only reveal how tangled our religious, racial, economic and political positions have become, but also how many outlets there are for the jokes. In these tense times, when presidential hopefuls point fingers at one another and families unfriend one another over political and cultural differences, laughing may be one way to talk about the problems without killing one another. The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Edward J. Blum and Paul Harvey. soundoff (5,746 Responses)« Previous 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 Next »Post a comment
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"I have a deep, personal relationship with Jesus Christ."
Do you gag as much as I do at hearing this pious crap?
I've known my sister for over 6 decades. Altho I live in Madison, WI, and she lives in Denver, CO, so we only see each other every couple of years, I can tell you:
• how tall she is.
• what color her eyes are.
• what color and how curly her hair is.
• the different kinds of prescription drugs she takes, and what for.
• which parts of her have been operated on.
• which colleges she attended.
• what jobs she's held.
• what cities she's lived in.
• what her hobbies are.
• the names and breeds of the various dogs and cats she's had thru the years.
• her favorite sports teams, and which one she has season tickets for.
• the TV programs she watches regularly.
• that it's her on the phone just from the sound of her voice.
• her att¡tude toward eating meat.
• whom she voted for in the last presidential election.
• what kind of medical care she wants in case of a terminal illness.
• her favorite color.
• and about 50 other things.
Now that's a personal relationship. Could any of you Bible-thumpers manage even half a dozen comparable answers about your "deep, personal friend" Jesus? And, even assuming your overwrought imagination could in fact gin up a few stabs at them, what are chances that they'd agree with any other equally deluded True Believer? OTOH, you could ask any of my sister's other good friends about the above characteristics, and they'd give you the exact same answers I would. That's because my sister, unlike your Jesus, is real — a 3-dimensional, flesh-and-blood, living, breathing, real-world human being, with a life, preferences, substance, and history.
So, Mr. or Ms. True Believer, let's say you're walking across library mall one day, you see your good buddy Jesus in a bunch of folks ahead of you, and you holler "Hey, J, dude, wait up!". Would he?
Let's not kid ourselves. This would never even happen because there's no way you'd be able to pick Jesus out of a crowd. Heck, you couldn't pick him out of a 1-person lineup. You wouldn't know him if he walked up to you on the street and handed you his business card. (In fact, it would tickle me pink to see your reaction if somebody actually did exactly that.)
So we both know exactly what your claim to have a "deep, personal relationship with Jesus Christ" is. It's bullsh¡t. You know it's bullsh¡t. Everybody else knows it's bullsh¡t. The only reason you keep on repeating this bullsh¡t is because it's the slogan of the club that some con artist or charlatan has suckered you into believing you really want to be a member of. All you have to do is keep repeating the magic bullsh¡t phrase "I have a deep, personal relationship with Jesus Christ" and you can keep going to the club meetings. (Provided you keep paying the dues, too; let's not forget what's really important here.)
But don't think that repeating that phrase is going to win you anything but contempt or possibly some degree of pity from anyone with a functioning brain. All you're really demonstrating is that you don't know diddly about real relationships or the way the real world really works. You are, in short, a pathetic dupe. And full of bullsh¡t, to boot.
Marry me
"I have a deep, personal relationship with Jesus Christ."
–That is always a joke line. You've explained it well. XD
Do you honestly believe that believers don't know the difference between their sister and their faith? Many of the most brilliant philosophers and scientists in the world have had and continue to have a "personal relationship with Jesus". Many people have given everything they have...money, time, a life devoted to the poorest of the poor (at a rate that secular people have no hope of matching) because this "relationship". Sorry, you don't know what you are talking about.
Everything is going to be alright Mr. Russell. The anger will subside.
"Do you honestly believe that believers don't know the difference between their sister and their faith?"
They clearly do not know fantasy from reality, so it's possible.
"Many of the most brilliant philosophers and scientists in the world have had and continue to have a "personal relationship with Jesus"."
No, they don't. You're talking about mediocre minds, not brilliant ones.
I honestly believe, Chris, that you didn't answer the question.
@tallulah- "This (saying "hello" to Jesus across the street) would never even happen because there's no way you'd be able to pick Jesus out of a crowd." There is a question here? Ridiculous.
The question, Chris, is how can you claim to have a "deep, personal relationship with Christ" when you all you know about the guy is what was in the bible or what your pastor/priest told you?
Does anyone else find it funny that of all the people in the world, Christians seem to act the least like Christ?
Jeb,
And which basket have you been putting your eggs in?
YA really.. remember that you fear god. You're going to burn. XD
I gave my love to Jesus
and now He never calls!
Jesus calls people all the time, but you'd have to be listening...
Jesus is like that. He takes after his dad - that guy who knocked up that nice jewish girl, then abandoned her.
Why the Jesus jokes?
Because Jesus is HILARIOUS!
Jesus from what the account says, was actually a nice guy that got beat to death at the end of his life, to save others. It's sad, but that's what the accounts say.
The really sad thing is that some people think it's the best thing ever that some guy got tortured to death so that they don't have to be responsible for their own actions.
Actually, I think that's scarier than sad.
If Jesus existed, he was just flesh and blood like you and me.
He was born like any other human being and died like one too.
He's dead now and his followers don't abide by anything he said.
That makes him pretty irrelevant.
The very fact that they worship him shows that they do not listen to him.
If there was freedom in religion the price of redemption would be negotiable.
To call hinduism, corruption of truth religion is a under statement, hinduism, corruption of truth is hinduism, a crime against truth absolute GOD, FOUNDATION OF EXISTENCE and HIS humanity, desire. worth not of just a joke, but elimination for peace, Islam among humanity by implementation of consti tution of truth absolute, if necessary, BY FORCE.
Crazy much?
What did the clock say at midnight?
Ya, Yo goons, Islam among human domi nation s by implementation of vio lence, if necessary, BY FORCE. BY KABOOMS.
Force is absolutely permitted to eliminate hinduism, criminality, according to hinduism, crime of a hindu, criminal, have no doubt about it hindu, ignorant.
The long and windy roads of all religious dichotomies does tear apart some very simplified scripture verses favoring to turn a blind eye away from certain Truths such as John 18:36 Jesus answered, "My kingdom is not of this world". Who among the devout klans of christian dumbs would dare to believe such a concept that our world is not the kingdom of Christ Jesus and never will be NEVER! Dumb Futzes and dumber klutzes are christian dumb bells ever ringing their beliefs in tandem without skipping a beat of the drummer boys.
A scattering is upon us in these trying days and Age. Leave your wantings behind and never take wind of one's longings for the weightiness of one's longings will smite even the most influential. Carry away nothing and leave. Head to the places inside one's being and do not keep ajar your door for many will want to enter in and should not. Your loving this Life is for the world to have and you should not heed the rumors from others as to just what is truly right. It is therefore best for mankind to simmer in their juvenile pottages never rationalizingly 'assaying' one's diffuse detriments, the very smallest of life's grains. As smitten breeds, our splendors reveal one's characters to be traitorous to one's analogous fold. Where then does Life end and living begin?
You have talked but have said nothing. 2nd century rhetoric does not work any more....remember latin !
Rudy1947,
Sorry bout this but I was born into an English speaking society. Never attended latin seminaries. Way too old now and all my wordages come from the depths of a dream-state I put myself into as I chicken peck away at the keyboard. Edgar Cayce is my idol. I just adore writing in the mystical waiverings of psychotropic mind sensorium. Makes me feel good whenever I hammer home the dichotomies of asphyxia upon the unlearned and deeply stilled umbrage carriers.
The insecure Christians ask:
Why is everyone picking on me?
Because you are a clown Charlie Brown.
Charlie brown was just a regular guy. Jesus died for sins.
No, Jesus didn't die for people's sins, Mithra did.
I think the fact that people still think Jesus existed is a joke.
That Jesus MIGHT have existed is vàguely plausible.
The idea that he STILL exists is the joke.
A number of witnesses described him and what he did. Josephus mentioned him as well. A lot of the things described match up with what was going on at the time locally there.
There are no eyewitness accounts. The Gospels were written long after his supposed death, and not by the apostles to whom they are attributed. The passages in Josephus that you refer to are in all likelihood forgeries by later Christian writers. The earliest New Testament writings are the letters of Paul, who never met Jesus in person, just had a mystical experience and somehow became the world's greatest expert on Jesus. None of the other" historical" references really carry any weight.
What are you guys, plain stupid?
Jokes about Jesus are not about Jesus, they are about the culture of religious people.
Reducing religion to joke status is just another step towards its inevitable status of not being relevant enough to even laugh at.
It was always a joke, just more people are getting it now
Candles, Rituals, Robes, Praying, Talking Animals = Very funny stuff
Catholics just elected a President, siilly screech owl.
-quote–
John P. Tarver
Catholics just elected a President, siilly screech owl.
–end–
Sure. Women didn't count nor did the Latinos...
People have access to the data, but the liars are once again the religious twits.
Ans-It is the Catholics that were in play and CNN played them well.
@John
Sure.. sure.
You can have all the illusions you want. Adding this one on top of whatever you already hold isn't anything new.
"but the liars are once again the religious twits."
And they become more and more obvious about it. Which is why they become more and more insecure about it.
A vicious cycle
John P. Tarver,
Is that the same CNN that Republicans insist no one watches?
Today in church the Priest was really fired up.
He had the congregation on the edge of their seats and reaching for their check books when this flatulent Farmer let loose with a big one.
The stench emptied out that Church as people got trampled and pews were over turned in the haste.
I have heard of Weapons of Mass destruction but that is the first time I ever saw one used.
Good, Goooood, most of these silly humans still think rituals and magic exists, they will be easy prey
t's not magic or rituals, it's that people believe God, the one that created everything.
this is the best one yet!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thanks for posting !
Does my plastic Ecce H0m0 count as a Jesus joke?
The question isn't why Jesus has become a punchline, the question is why anyone still takes religion seriously.
Exactly, Henry.
Live above the influence, step back and break the chains of your indoctrination and live free.
In 2004, the world could not believe that the Red Sox won the World Series. People in Chicago were fabbergasted. In 2005, the White Sox won the World Series, and the Cubs fans were distraught. How could this happen? Many a Cubs fan found themselves in church praying, "God will the Cubs ever win the World Series?"
God looked down at the Cubs fan and replied, "Certainly.....just not in my lifetime!"
How is it that a figure sacred to so many Americans has become the punch line of so many jokes? And why is it acceptable to poke fun at Jesus when other sacred figures are deemed off limits or there is hell to pay for mocking them?
Excellent question..
The Christian right made such a moral spectacle of itself that it practically begged to be mocked. The emergence of “spiritual, but not religious” sensibilities left many Americans willing to denounce or laugh about traditional faith. The public rise of agnosticism, atheism, and secularism led to aggressive mockery as a form of persuasion
That says nothing about why Jesus is mocked while it is taboo to do so to central figures in other religions. Christians are the only religious people that have engaged in mockable behavior? Please…
If we pause to consider why we’re laughing, we find that the comic bits delve into some of our tho rniest and unresolved problems. The jokes reveal much more about us than they do Jesus.
Now you’re getting very close to the real issue…
The first public jokes about Jesus were heard in the 1970s. There had been religious jokes before this, but none about Jesus had become widely popular because organized Christianity held such authority
That says nothing about while it is taboo to insult central figures in other religions in the US where Christians make up the vast majority of the populace.
The real answer is simple and twofold:
1. Why do people do it: Christ is real and everyone knows it deep down, making jokes about it is an attempt to deny to yourself that it is true. “The lady doth protest too much, methinks.”. All one has to do is look at some extraordinarily spare postings on the Muslim posts on this blog to know that fundamentally, non-believers just don’t find these other religions threatening.
2. Why do they get away with it: Christians don’t kill people for insulting Jesus
"Christians don’t kill people for insulting Jesus"
No they kill people for saying the world is flat
"Christ is real and everyone knows it deep down, making jokes about it is an attempt to deny to yourself that it is true."
This sort of condescending philosophical arrogance isn't helping your case.
Actualy the flip is true. people who say they are religious are hypocrties, they don't believe
1) goal of religion is to goto heaven but all sane religious people would be happier if a loved one went to hawaii
@Chad
"Christ is real and everyone knows it deep down," – Real joke is what it is.
So be honest with yourself Chad.. why do you believe? What proof did you give to yourself?
Chad is a joke. A true laughingstock.
Uh, Chad, as to your claim about Muslims, better think that one through. You are on a site with a vastly greater Christian presence compared with Muslim, to begin with. Although it would be best if neither religion had any presence in the modern world; neither collection of fairy tales merits such a presence.
@Yazzo "No they kill people for saying the world is flat"
@Chad "they do?? where? when? never heard that one...
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@Answer "So be honest with yourself Chad.. why do you believe? What proof did you give to yourself?"
@Chad
1. The origin of the universe
2. The fine tuning of the universe for the building blocks of life
3. The origin of life on earth
4. Punctuated Equilibrium: the fossil record showing species experiencing millions, 100's of millions of years of stasis (no change, random genetic mutations are weeded out of the gene pool resulting in a pool 'wobbling about the genetic mean'), followed by extremely rapid change resulting in new species appearing fully formed in the fossil record.
5. The empty tomb, and the unshakable conviction among followers and enemies alike that they had witnesses a resurrected Jesus. A conviction they held so strongly that they went to their deaths proclaiming its truth.
most importantly, a personal relationship.
Chad,
As to #1, that is called a 'rationalization'.
As to #2, that is only because they are no longer allowed to.
@Ken "as to your claim about Muslims, better think that one through"
=>what claim?
@Chad
The same bs as usual. LOL
I'm glad we can always count on you for the laughs.
@Cheesemakers "As to #2, that is only because they are no longer allowed to."
@Chad "
1. Did any Christian ever kill someone for mocking Jesus Christ?
2. When were they allowed to do this?
"1. Why do people do it: Christ is real and everyone knows it deep down, making jokes about it is an attempt to deny to yourself that it is true."
No, Chad...we just like making fun of morons
5. The empty tomb, and the unshakable conviction among followers and enemies alike that they had witnesses a resurrected Jesus. A conviction they held so strongly that they went to their deaths proclaiming its truth.
dude marry loved him so much she
hay every one i meet Jesus last night.. i touched his clothes (said in a monotone voice)
ah the power of love
@sam stone "we just like making fun of morons"
=>lacks explanatory scope..
-why is Judeo/Christianity the virtually exclusive target of atheism?
-the world is full of people with mistaken belief systems, why not make fun of them in the same proportion as Christianity.
The atheist doth protest too much, methinks.
2. Why do they get away with it: Christians don’t kill people for insulting Jesus
~2,500 people executed during the spanish inquisition.
Terrible, terrible chapter in the history of Christianity.
the world is full of people with mistaken belief systems, why not make fun of them in the same proportion as Christianity.
they do but the reason why you seem to get it the most
is because your the ones oppression them the most
C'mon Chad,
CHristians even killed other christians for not believing in the "right" Jesus...
60,000 native children exacted in California by the Missions in just 5 years
another sad chapter in Christianity and certainly not the last 3 inter cultures annihilated (Aztecs/Africans/Pre roman Celts)
chad: members of other belief systems are not attempting to use our secular laws to deny people their civil rights.
get over yourself, boy
The Chard says "Christ is real and everybody knows it deep down."
Where's your evidence for this statement? How do you determine what "everybody knows deep down"? Able to read minds now, Chard? That's odd, considering you don't have one of your own.
@Cheesemakers "As to #2, that is only because they are no longer allowed to."
@Chad "
1. Did any Christian ever kill someone for mocking Jesus Christ?
2. When were they allowed to do this?
@Cheesemakers "CHristians even killed other christians for not believing in the "right" Jesus..."
@Chad "3. When, where??"
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@Sam Yaza "60,000 native children exacted in California by the Missions in just 5 years"
@Chad "missionaries executed 60,000 children???
source???
where in the world are you getting this erroneous information from?
@sam stone "members of other belief systems are not attempting to use our secular laws to deny people their civil rights."
@Chad "think you are confused on a couple important things:
A. Christians in the US do not have a "united" point of view on any social issue.
B. You seem to be objecting to the current method by which the US is governed? Elected officials, legislation that every US citizen has a right to lobby their representatives for?
My favorite taglines from Chad
--quote-
1. The origin of the universe
2. The fine tuning of the universe for the building blocks of life
3. The origin of life on earth
4. Punctuated Equilibrium:
5. most importantly, a personal relationship.
6. the world is full of people with mistaken belief systems
7. where in the world are you getting this erroneous information from?
-end–
I love #6 and #7 because Chad can't even see his own words. XD
denying people their civil rights makes you a bigot. hiding behind the bible makes you a pious bigot. snakes lie with other snakes, chad.......
@Answer "I love #6 and #7 because Chad can't even see his own words. XD"
@Chad "what makes you think they are mistaken?
hint "that's all nonsense" is considered an adequate refutation only in the illogical corridors of AtheistsU
he extent of the removal of children, and the reasoning behind their removal, are contested. Docu.mentary evidence, such as newspaper articles and reports to parliamentary committees, suggest a range of rationales
here is one of many sources
http://www.nahc.ca.gov/califindian.html
its Californian history
missions were slave camps and conversion camps for the colonizers and many children striped from the parents died their
you must have missed it.. here it is again:
Chad
@sam stone "members of other belief systems are not attempting to use our secular laws to deny people their civil rights."
@Chad "think you are confused on a couple important things:
A. Christians in the US do not have a "united" point of view on any social issue.
B. You seem to be objecting to the current method by which the US is governed? Elected officials, legislation that every US citizen has a right to lobby their representatives for?
"A. Christians in the US do not have a "united" point of view on any social issue."f
fair enough. my vitriol is directed at those who would deny others their rights.
how about you, chad? do you feel gays should be allowed to marry?
Not a single reason you've given is evidence that "goddidit", Chad.
@Chad
And here it is again.. you words..
what makes you think they are mistaken?
Explain yourself. XD
'your' - correction
chad....i got no problem with lobbying your elected representatives. you have a right to be a bigot. but, don't delude yourself into believing it is anything other than bigotry
No, Chad. I don't "deep down" believe in Jesus. In fact, the majority of the world's population don't spend a lot of time thinking about Jesus at all. I suspect that "deep down", you are terrified that you are wrong. After all, you are the one protesting for all you are worth and pretending you are some sort of authority.
@Sam Yaza "missions were slave camps and conversion camps for the colonizers and many children striped from the parents died their"
@Chad "terrible chapter in Christian history.. no one was "executed", but that is probably quibbling since they may have well have just done so given the conditions they forced to live in.
taking some one from their home and watching them whether and die is an exaction
if you take some one look them in a room refuse to feed them until they come to Christ through baptism(which to us pagans is a separation from life Gaia/ Death) or let them die
is an exaction
don't delude your self of the evil your kind has done and is still doing (they use this method in India)
@Chad "6. the world is full of people with mistaken belief systems 7. where in the world are you getting this erroneous information from?"
@Answer "I love #6 and #7 because Chad can't even see his own words. XD"
@Chad "what makes you think they are mistaken?
I guess my initial response was to short, I'll elaborate.
You are implying that I have a mistaken belief system based on erroneous information. I am asking what makes you think that my belief system is mistaken?
@Chad
==quote==
You are implying that I have a mistaken belief system based on erroneous information. I am asking what makes you think that my belief system is mistaken?
==end==
I'll repose what you wrote ...I am asking you now .."what makes you think that your belief system is correct?"
@Answer "I'll repose what you wrote ...I am asking you now .."what makes you think that your belief system is correct?""
@Chad "guess you somehow missed it.. here it is again:
1. The origin of the universe
2. The fine tuning of the universe for the building blocks of life
3. The origin of life on earth
4. Punctuated Equilibrium: the fossil record showing species experiencing millions, 100's of millions of years of stasis (no change, random genetic mutations are weeded out of the gene pool resulting in a pool 'wobbling about the genetic mean'), followed by extremely rapid change resulting in new species appearing fully formed in the fossil record.
5. The empty tomb, and the unshakable conviction among followers and enemies alike that they had witnesses a resurrected Jesus. A conviction they held so strongly that they went to their deaths proclaiming its truth.
most importantly, a personal relationship.
====Just in case you missed it ... Chad====
My favorite taglines from Chad
–quote-
1. The origin of the universe
2. The fine tuning of the universe for the building blocks of life
3. The origin of life on earth
4. Punctuated Equilibrium:
5. most importantly, a personal relationship.
6. the world is full of people with mistaken belief systems
7. where in the world are you getting this erroneous information from?
-end–
I love #6 and #7 because Chad can't even see his own words. XD
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You'll have to elaborate on what you mean by "Chad can't even see his own words"
Apparently it does NOT mean what I thought it did, namely that you are implying I have a mistaken belief system based on erroneous information.
@Chad
You never get it .. it's okay though. You're an idiot, and god made you that way. See god made me an atheist to have fun at your expense. XD
ah, lol, ok
I thought you had something concrete in mind.