Editor’s note: Edward J. Blum is a historian of race and religion at San Diego State University. Paul Harvey is a history professor at the University of Colorado at Colorado Springs and runs the blog Religion in AmericanHistory. They co-authored “The Color of Christ: The Son of God and the Saga of Race in America.”
By Edward J. Blum and Paul Harvey, Special to CNN
Did you ever hear the one about Jesus being Mexican? Well, he was bilingual; he was constantly harassed by the government; and his first name was Jesus.
Or, perhaps Jesus was Irish? He loved a good story; he never kept a steady job; and his last request was for a drink.
Or maybe it’s possible that Jesus was Californian? He never cut his hair; he was always walking around barefoot; and he started a new religion.
You may not have heard these Jesus jokes, but you’ve heard others. They represent a comedic trend that has animated the United States since the 1970s. More and more comedy gimmicks hit on Jesus, his ethnicity and his relationship to politics. Laughing with (and at) the Lord is now fodder for major motion pictures, barroom comedy tours, graphic novels, t-shirts and bumper stickers.
How is it that a figure sacred to so many Americans has become the punch line of so many jokes? And why is it acceptable to poke fun at Jesus when other sacred figures are deemed off limits or there is hell to pay for mocking them?
The explanations are as numerous as the laughs.
Immigration shifts from the 1960s changed the ethnic and religious faces of the country so no tradition dominates today. The Christian right made such a moral spectacle of itself that it practically begged to be mocked. The emergence of “spiritual, but not religious” sensibilities left many Americans willing to denounce or laugh about traditional faith. The public rise of agnosticism, atheism, and secularism led to aggressive mockery as a form of persuasion.
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If we pause to consider why we’re laughing, we find that the comic bits delve into some of our thorniest and unresolved problems. The jokes reveal much more about us than they do Jesus. They speak to how our society has changed, how it hasn’t, and what we’re obsessed with.
The first public jokes about Jesus were heard in the 1970s. There had been religious jokes before this, but none about Jesus had become widely popular because organized Christianity held such authority. As the economic recession and problems of urban decay collided with civil rights exhaustion and new immigration, however, some Jesus jokes emerged.
Archie Bunker on “All in the Family” was the white racist and misogynist you loved to hate and hated to love. On one occasion, his son-in-law challenged Bunker’s rampant anti-Semitism with the claim, "Jesus was Jewish." Archie shot back immediately: "Only on his mother's side."
The “All in the Family” spin off “Good Times” featured a black family that lives in an inner-city housing project, probably Chicago's infamous Cabrini Green. On the show's second episode, the oldest son J. J. astounded everyone by painting Jesus as black. The younger son loves it, and says he learned all about Christ’s blackness from the local Nation of Islam.
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As the family debates whether this black Jesus should be hung on the wall in place of their white Jesus, they “miraculously” receive $140 from the Internal Revenue Service. Feeling blessed, the family placed the painting on its living room wall, and the elated J. J. shouted his tagline, "Dyno-mite!”
From the 1980s to the present, the number of prominent Jesus jokes has multiplied like loaves and fishes:
• In “Talladega Nights,” Ricky Bobby and his family debated which Jesus to pray to (“baby Jesus in golden fleece diapers,” “grown-up Jesus,” “ninja Jesus”). Their overall hope is that Jesus will help them continue their extravagant lifestyle.
• “South Park” featured Jesus as a weak-kneed host of a local talk show who boxes the devil.
• “Family Guy” had Jesus perform magic tricks that wowed his ancient audience.
• “The Colbert Report” placed a gun in Christ’s hand and had him defend conservatives against the liberal “War on Easter.”
• “Saturday Night Live” let Jesus chastise Tim Tebow for using the Lord’s name in vain and ended the bit by declaring that the Mormons have it right.
One unforgettable scene in the rather forgettable recent film “21 Jump Street” may explain why Jesus has become such a joke.
Before Jonah Hill’s character returns to high school as an undercover cop, he prays to a small, crucified “Korean Jesus.” Down on his knees, he says: “Hey Korean Jesus, I don’t know if you only cater to Korean Christians or if you even exist, no offense. I’m just really freaked out about going back to high school. It was just so f***ing hard the first time. … I just really don’t want to f*** this up. Sorry for swearing so much. The end? I don’t really know how to end the prayer.”
The hilarity of the moment only makes sense in our time. Hill's character is unchurched and agnostic, but wants spiritual power to guide him. We can laugh at how agnosticism and being “spiritual, but not religious,” leave him uncertain of what to say, how to say it, and even how to end.
We can also laugh at how ethnic factors color his approach. By wondering if Korean Jesus cares only about Korean problems, Hill pokes fun at the issue which was made a media spectacle in 2008, when the Rev. Jeremiah Wright could be heard preaching that “Jesus was a poor black man” as part of his support for Barack Obama. What good is a God who only cares for those who look like him?
The Jesus jokes not only reveal how tangled our religious, racial, economic and political positions have become, but also how many outlets there are for the jokes. In these tense times, when presidential hopefuls point fingers at one another and families unfriend one another over political and cultural differences, laughing may be one way to talk about the problems without killing one another.
The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Edward J. Blum and Paul Harvey.
god was a deadbeat dad, (joesph had to support jesus wasnt ever his son), he was also
rapist ( he got mary pregant with out her permission)
That only makes sense if you believe the mythology in the first place.
There are jesus jokes because religion is a joke. if you believe in supernatural beings you are mentally ill, a liar or both.
Exactly. It's funny because of the absurdity of it. God as a newborn, all powerful, perfect baby--it's a funny thought. Does God cry when he wants his babba? Does God soil himself? Does God force his mama to bring him food? Does God have temper tantrums?
It's why the writers have Jesus disappear until 30 years old because a toddler/child/teenager God was too much for them to even think about writing about. No way they could hold it together from birth so they just have him show up out of nowhere at 30.
They skipped to 30 because they would've had to explain zits on a teen god. All teens get zits: is he perfect or not?
Human beings are born intuitively knowing there is a God, as well as right and wrong. Atheists on the other hand they lack the spiritual cognition of the divine, therefore they are not fully human, thus they cannot recognize the supreme moral being universally known as God. In other words atheists are as blind as a bat, spiritually speaking, just as a man born blind, who cannot fully grasp the wonder, and the beauty of creation.
Henry, that's the most absurd statement I've read in a long time. Keep up the good work. It's posts like yours that advance atheism far more effectively than any I could ever make.
"therefore they are not fully human, thus they cannot recognize the supreme moral being universally known as God."
"The most important goal of Nazi propaganda was to create unanimous support for the Nazi
regime." and "Nazi propaganda used dehumanizing god and devil imagery to both bolster the image of the Nazi regime and
justify the purge of Jews from Germany" “Nazi Gods” and “Jewish Devils”: The Dehumanizing Rhetoric of Nazi Propaganda Kelly M Sutter, Boston College.
We know you for what you are Henry.
The awesomeness of the universe is considerably more awesome when one realizes it wasn't created by any mythical being.
Intuition is simply another word for being incapable of grasping reality. We all pretty much start at that point but it takes time, effort and intelligence to understand how the universe is really constructed. The more one understands, the less the likelihood of a god existing
Priests realized that their job is it simplify and define the unknown and the most simplistic approach is to say a god did it. Pays well too. You can sense the desperation as priests have to rationalize a being that is highly improbable and superfluous. Our growing body of knowledge about the universe the makes this god-of-the-gaps smaller every year.
That's a load of nonsense, Henry. The only god that an infant knows is the human being that feeds it, comforts it and keeps it warm and safe. This is why a child's first words are so often some derivation of "mother" or "father", and not "god".
The concept of a supernatural god is a cultural lesson taught to a child, usually by the deliberate actions of their caretakers.
I agree with brother Henry above. I always thought there is something wrong, something amiss about the atheists I know personally. Could never figure it out but Henry has opened my eyes to it. I fully agree with him that atheists are not fully human. I can make that out from their sly grins, skewed face (much like the Professor Stephen Hawkins), protruding eyes (like the famous atheist writer), unbalanced gait (like the famous atheist politician in England) and countless others.
Hey, GO_GOP.... Josef Goebblels called, he wants his rhetoric speeches return to him ASAP.
@Henry. Humans used to believe, intuitively, that the world is flat and that the Sun orbits the Earth.
"Atheists on the other hand they lack the spiritual cognition of the divine, therefore they are not fully human"
Henry....you are a pompous jacka$$.
Henry: "Human beings are born intuitively knowing there is a God, as well as right and wrong."
Nonsense. They have to be taught both.
We are a Christian nation and we will take the country back form the atheists. Make to mistake.
Deut. 28: 27
May the Lord strike you with Egyptian boils and with tumors, scabs and itch for which you will find no cure.
Ours is not a Christian nation. Never has been, never will be. Get used to it.
We have freedom of religion, and the founding fathers founded our nation on religious edicts. if you don't like it, you're free to leave....
Go-GOP– i pass the baton to you.....
"the founding fathers founded our nation on religious edicts"
We are not a christian nation, nor ever will be. This was the will of the founding fathers
"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen [Muslims],—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan [Muslim] nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."
– signed by John Adams ,1797
"Go-GOP– i pass the baton to you....."
Ha! He'll smack himself in the forehead with it!
Typical christian (and republican) delusion. Keep telling lies until someone believes them.
Too bad for them, those of us who have actually researched the subject know that the United States was based on the principals of the Enlightenment (Science and Reason) and not upon religion. Our founding fathers looked at the corrupt nations of Europe and realized that the combination of government and religion was poisonous to freedom. So they very deliberately separated church from state.
Though the majority of the population is christian, this is not a christian nation. This is a secular nation by design.
Hey internet warrior – GOP – you won't do diddly but sit there and stew. You too Christian Warrior (of which you are neither) Religion is dying. We're taking it from you. You're getting testy about it because you know it's true. Kiss it goodbye, sweetie! The election just showed you in a landslide that America has moved on from you looneys. We will allow you to keep your religion only for a short while longer, so you might want to stock up on prayers. Churches are being sold off, consolidated. Religion is floating away like a fart in the breeze. See ya, suckas!
The interesting thing is that even other Atheist have posted that the churches, mosques and temples are still growing. So, we can either believe you them.
In fact, it appears that there are more agnostics than atheist. I would think that it is the Atheist who need to be concerned with their numbers. :)
Not at all Mark. I'm an American so I believe in the right to worship as you please, no matter what the facts say about that belief.
On the other hand, I take great comfort in this most recent election, because it proved to me that secular America is alive and well, and that my fellow citizens understand the great gift of freedom they were given and are not willing to sell it for the sake of their church.
Atheist is not a proper noun, therefore it is not capitalized. And the plural is formed by adding an s at the end. Thus, one atheist, two or more atheists. I'm trying my best to make this understandable for you. Do you get it? Maybe you'll get it next year when you enter the sixth grade.
Shove your bible up your a$$, GO_GOP
Mark From Middle River
In reality, everyone is agnostic, at least technically because nobody really knows whether or not some god exists. All you fine Christians are agnostic to the existence of other gods, and maybe even God's creator. Even God may not realize that he had a creator, if he, she or it even exists in what we like to call "reality". If you want to argue that God, or gods actually exist then anything could exist.
Our nation is not a Chistian nation– but as i said it was founded upon "religious edicts" read the declaration of independance and how it referrs to "God" and our "Creator"== this is for all religions..... (of which you athiests think you can ridicule all)
Deut. 28: 22
May the Lord afflict you with a wasting disease and recurrent fever, ague, and eruptions with drought and black blight and red and may these plague you until you perish.
No Peace for the Dickless
Deut. 23: 1
No man whose testicles have been crushed or whose organ has been cut off may become a member of the assembly of God
Christians who are very careful (and tactful) will tell you that no one can say for certain who is or who is not, going to Hell for eternity. But if Jesus means so little to you that he is fodder for a vulgar punchline...... count on it.
Oh, shit, Toddie. Wake up. Religion is one big joke. Don't you get it yet?
So, Christians don't know for certain, ... but then they do? If none of you know for certain then how can you make this claim? Maybe God loves a good joke about him and can't stand prudish little toadies?
And people who have actually looked at the facts will tell you that there is not a single shred of evidence to support the existence of your god (or any god). That is why your threats are hollow. You may as well be saying that the monster under the bed will get me if I don't feed it cookies.
Todd, admitting he is neither careful nor tactful, and judging all of us when he knows it is a sin. Must be an atheist to simply ignore your god's commandments so carelessly.
And todd cook, I suggest that you read up on Pascal's Wager. Your closing line is loaded with that common wrong argument.
Deut. 7: 2
And when the Lord your God delivers them into your power for you to defeat, you must exterminate them. You must not make alliance with them or spare them.
Exodus 22: 29
You must not hold back the first of your harvest, whether grain or wine. You must give me your first-born sons.
Exodus 21: 7
When a man sells his daughter into slavery, she is not to go free as male slaves may.
The Bible is full of oddities and contradictions
God will have the last laugh!
F U FOOL
After he sees what the Religious Right has done on this planet I doubt he'll be in a laughing mood.
"God will have the last laugh!"
Any verified evidence for that?
Commenter: Lets put it this way, "God is not mocked."
Why not? Will he get mad?
So Fairy, it's clear you have no proof. You mentally ill, a liar or both. Go ahead, prove me wrong.
Far Fall: The Bible says to call "No man a fool." It also says that one day, "Every knee will bow and tremble before God" and man will be forced to know that he exists.
" Lets put it this way, "God is not mocked.""
Well, I'll put it the same way. Any verified evidence for that?
Kind of rude of god to laugh at people who don't believe in him, since he hasn't provided a single shred of evidence that he actually exists.
Fairy, unless you have some independent evidence, The Babble is a crock of sh!t with no more credibility than a Harry Potter novel. What are you: mentally ill, a liar or both?
1. The Bible calls people fools all over the dang place.
2. Why would you believe the threats of a book that says:
– The Earth is flat – Proverbs 8:27- Isaiah 40:22- and others
– Bats are birds – Leviticus 11:13, & 19
– Pi is 3 – 1 Kings 7:23
– Hares chew their cud – Leviticus 11:5 & 6
- Striped goats are bred by having them stare at striped objects. Genesis 30:35
- Unfaithful wives' thighs rot. Numbers 5
– Plants survived without sunlight – Genesis 1
– Hail and snow are kept in storehouses in the sky – Job 38:22
– Zombies were running through the streets of Jerusalem – Matthew 27:52-53
No Gods and Frayed Knots: There's too much proof to mention. Where would you like me to begin? The Bibles authenticity? It took 1600 years to write, and was written by 40 different men. Most did not live in the same geographical locations. Many died before others began to write and most didn't even know one another. Yet, the Bible is united in it's theme. Many of it's prophecies have come true and can be verified by history itself. Isaiah predicted the fall of Babylon 500 years before it happened. He even said it would never be rebuilt. It was a port city like New York City back then. The hub of the Middle East. History confirms this, just as Isaiah predicted, it still remains a desolate wasteland to this day.
Fairy, bullsh,t!! The Babble was created by a bunch of men picking and choosing from a bunch of myths. There is no evidence at all that any gods exists therefore it is highly improbable The Babble is the word of any god. You are mentally ill, a liar or both.
Frayed: What does "circle" mean to you? What makes you think it means flat? Usually a circle is round! So obviously the Bible is saying that the earth is round not flat. The Bible also says that the earth is suspended on nothing, something science proved at a much later date.
No-one knows exactly who wrote those books of The Bible, and many of them probably had several contributors as authors. The reason that you think that they all agree with each other so well is that early Church councils and committees selected for inclusion in their Bible only those old writings which toed the "party line". Writings which didn't go with the flow were rejected.
Regarding the fall of Babylon:
" In contradiction to the prophecies of the perpetual desolation of Babylon flourishing villages exist today on the site of that metropolis. One city of more than ten thousand population probably lies within the walls of the ancient city.19 Larkin argues that it has never been true that "neither shall the Arabian pitch tent there" (Isaiah 13:20). Nor can it be said "and they shall not take of thee a stone for a corner, nor a stone for foundations" (Jeremiah 51:26) for many towns and cities have been built from the ruins of Babylon. Hillah was entirely constructed from debris of the city, and even in the houses of Bagdad Babylonian-stamped brick may be frequently noticed.20 Newton emphasizes the fact that the LAND of Babylon has never yet experienced the desolation predicted and he cites numerous travelers who attest to the fertility of the LAND of Babylon." –http://www.dabar.org/semreview/fallbabyprob.html
A dime is a circle. A frisbee is a circle. An orange is spherical. An eyeball is spherical. The Hebrews had words for sphere and ball, etc., but they did not use them in their descriptions of the Earth.
Here is what the Universe was pictured as by them:
No gods and Ghouls: "Highly improbable" then you admit that it's a possibility:)
Frayed Knot: What do you mean no one knows who wrote the Bible? They are all listed by name in the Bible, also the year, and place where each of the 66 books of the Bible were written. The men came from all walks of life and were inspired by God to write it. One of the writers was, Luke, a physician, and Solomon, a king. The ancient city of Babylon was never rebuilt. Wikipedia says, "All that remains of the original ancient famed city of Babylon today is a large mound, or tell, of broken brick buildings and debris." Does that sound like a rebuilt thriving city to you? And why wasn't it ever rebuilt? Because God said it would never be rebuilt that's why!
Frayed: The Bible says the earth is a circle and it's suspended upon nothing. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think it would defy the Law of Physics if it were flat??? So obviously it was meant to be read as round.
The authors (and dates of writing) of many (most) of the books of The Bible are quite unknown or disputed:
I see that you also need a primer on the history of the discovery of the Laws of Physics:
(hint: the ancient Hebrews are not mentioned as being great contributors to this science)
Frayed Knot: If you open any Bible it lists the name of the writer for each book. As far as scholars being in dispute it doesn't surprise me. The Jewish scholars don't even believe in the Bible beyond the first 5 books, the Torah, otherwise, they would have to acknowledge a belief in Jesus Christ. So why they are involved in assessing it is anyones guess. Some of the other scholars are no doubt Atheists and would like to cast doubt on it's authenticity. The Bible says that God has "hidden his truths from the wise and intellectual" and, "the wisdom of this world is foolishness to God." So they can go about their confusion as much as they desire. The Bible was not designed to be a scientific book per say. It delves into science a little but not a great deal. My point is it would be rather difficult for the earth to be flat and suspended upon nothing...so logically speaking the Bible meant to imply it was round:)
Fairy, the lack (complete lack in the case of gods) of evidence does not prove that something does not exist, so a rationale person must admit that it might exist, however improbable. This also means that believers must admit that it is possible, if not likely, that gods do not exist, or admit you are mentally ill, a liar or both. So, give us your proof or your admission.
Lets start with the Big Bang theory! I'm not disputing that there wasn't a possible big bang, but, what sparked it? Nothing comes from nothing and that is a fact! Something had to have been there in order for the catalyst to exist. I say if the Big Bang was used to produce life then God was the mastermind behind it. What do Atheists attribute it to? Many of you like to quote Steven Hawking as your new found system of belief, but,I wouldn't be so quick to go there if I were you. The man has been wrong before! He thought for 30 years he was right regarding his Black Hole theory. Guess what? He changed his mind! He was a believer in God for most of his life and guess what, again, he has changed his mind. On a physical level I feel for the man, but, I feel bad that he has taken such a negative position toward God at the end of his life. I feel even worse that he uses his bitterness over his physical plight to sway others away from God. I believe his Black Hole mistake will pale in comparison to his God mistake one day.
Many other brilliant men believed in God. "The most beautiful system of the sun, planets, and comets, could only proceed from the counsel and dominion of an intelligent and powerful Being." Sir Isaac Newton. Galileo has been quoted as saying, "The Bible cannot err." In fact Galileo once entertained an Atheist friend who marveled at a model of our solar system the moment he entered the room and exclaimed, "Who made it?" Galileo facetiously answered. "No one." His friend replied, "What do you take me for a fool of course someone made it." Galileo kept insisting it was true that no one had made it until finally his friend became hot and indignant. Galileo finally told his friend, if he could see that the model of our solar system, the one he was so in awe of, had to have had a maker, then how could he possibly believe that the Real One did not?
Isaac Newton spent more time studying the occult than anything else – numerology and alchemy... making gold using the magic Philosopher's Stone. Keynes called him: "not the first of the age of reason, he was the last of the magicians."
If *everything* demands a 'creator', who or what created the creator?
We do not know what went on surrounding or beyond the Big Bang (hint: time and space, as we know it, and what we know as the laws of physics did not exist... were not the same... or ???). Until we find out, if ever, making up stories about it might make you feel good, but you cannot proclaim them as facts.
A Frayed Knot: Where did God come from? Interesting that you mentioned it. That was the one question that kept my dad an Atheist for many years. As a highly intelligent person he decided at some point to analyze the Bible in depth for himself, to see if there was any merit to it or not. What it did was turn him into a Bible scholar and a firm believer in God. He said that no one ever answered that initial question for him, because no one could, and it no longer mattered, because he was convinced through his extensive research that the Bible really is the inspired word of God.
He finally accepted the Bibles explanation, "God has no beginning." As sensational as that may sound there are other ways to prove the existence of God without dwelling on that one futile thought, that one burning question. Where did God come from? If you can get around it like my father eventually did it will allow you the freedom to be convinced of a belief in God through analyzing the Bible itself.
People seem to think that if God exited we would see a sign. After all it's been two thousand years and where is he? The Bible says that "a thousand years is like a day to God." In his mind he has only taken a mere pause of two days. Enough time to allow us to prove ourselves believers in him or not. As I mentioned before, the Bible has accurately predicted the past and it has predicted our future. Second Timothy 3:1-5 says, But know this, that in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here. For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, self assuming, haughty, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, disloyal, having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, slanderers, without self control, fierce, without love of goodness, betrayers, headstrong, puffed up with pride, lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God, having a form of Godly devotion but proving false to it's power; and from these turn away." Verse 7 goes on to say regarding hypocritical religious leaders, "always learning and yet never able to come to an accurate knowledge of the truth."
I don't think anyone reading that scripture can say that it isn't an accurate depiction of what we see today. Do you see much "agreement" in the world? In our government? The Liberals and the Conservatives do they ever agree? "Lovers of money" Most people consider money to be their god. "Lovers of themselves" It's a cutthroat "me first" world for the most part. "Lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God" Wow! Isn't that the truth! "Having a form of Godly devotion but proving false to it's power" That's exactly why there are so many Atheist-Agnostics like you out there, because they are completely turned off by religious hypocrisy and rightfully so. What they fail to see is, God is too. He sees the religious leaders of today, for the most part, just like the Scribes and Pharisees back when Jesus Christ was on the earth. Christ himself referred to them as "vipers and hypocrites."
God hasn't forgotten us, Frayed Knot, or I should say, I'm afraid not:) He always does what he says he will do. "God cannot lie." He has not forgotten his promises to man. He will do exactly what he has promised at "his appointed time." The Bible says that many feel he is "slow at making good on his promises." Not so, he desires all men to be saved. So what appears to us to be slow is only patience being exercised by him, undeserved kindness, out of his love for us.
Fairy, you need to read books by Hawking and Krauss, two eminent scientists way more qualified than any biblical scholar to speak about the origin of the universe, which hay can explain without the need for any supernatural being. Belevers have no proof for any of their nonsense while scientist's work has been subjected to peer review and found to be among the best explanations to date.
No gods: Why do you assume I am unread regarding science? Do you assume that all people who believe in God are mentally inept and ignorant in terms of higher learning? That they are blindly following nonsensically fueled by emotion verses logic and reasoning? If so, you couldn't be further from the truth. Yes, man has done some amazing things in regards to their understanding of science and the universe, but there still remains allot they can't explain and don't know. Science has never disproved the existence of God. In fact no one has ever been able to debunk the Bible either.
As you previously stated scientists and their publications are brilliant and amazing. They have done some incredible things, but, God is far more brilliant and way more awesome than man. Man can't compare themselves to God or to his wisdom and glory. What scientist can save your life? Or his own life for that matter? Yes, they can prolong life, they can even temporarily save life, but, without God it still comes to nothing in the end!
If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death; their blood is upon them. (NRSV)
Eating lobster and charging interest on a loan are also "abominations" in the Bible, so lets send the entire State of Maine and Wall Street down to that great clam bake, eh? So's lying, which means that Creationists are also doomed.
Cal, Actually it was the evolutionist that lied. Like Dr leaky that said he found the missing link and put a human and ape bone together which fooled people for awhile and made him a house hold name. We now know it was a lie a bad error. He found the bones over a half of a mile a part. They have not found any missing links, there is no reasonable explanation for how genetic was created. God is the creator.
Your comment was disjointed and rather confused, Christian. I suspect you have no idea what you are talking about. Let me clarify.
Dr Leakey's only relationship to the Piltdown Hoax is that he fell for it. It's original creator is unknown, but among the suspects are a jesuit priest and Sir Arthur Conan Doyle. Perhaps Dr. Leakey believed in it because of the participation of the priest, as Dr. Leakey was a devout christian.
Doctor Leakey's own contributions to anthropology are undeniable and real. His discoveries at the Olduvai Gorge opened the gate for further discoveries. The Piltdown Hoax is long debunked and real fossils - and DNA evidence - have been discovered to help clarify humanity's evolutionary journey.
There is no virtue in your ignorance, and in fact you should be ashamed of calling another person a liar on the basis of that ignorance.
It's creationists who continue to lie. Since Leaky a virtual mountain of evidence from several different fields has been compiled in favor of evolution. Yet, all that creationists talk about is being evolved from monkeys, how an eye is too complicated to have evolved and how vestigial organs are part of God's design. They misrepresent the science as something cartoon, and they aren't afraid to lie while doing it. Every new species found is another link in the chain. What you want in a "missing link" is something like a mermaid, or a centaur, exactly half one thing and half another. Such things only ever existed in the imaginations of myth makers.
God is just an imaginary friend for grown ups.
Women are inferior to men
A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. (NIV)
1 Timothy 2:11-12
get the original translation before you cherry pick verses off the web– the bible wasn't written in english. and, in other areas it says men should serve their wives the way Christ served his church– by dying for it!!
Not imaginary– invisible. At the gradeschool level He's just like the wind– you can't see it but you feel it's force...
So, what does the Bible say about women in the original languages that is so different from English translations?
CS, he is imaginary until you prove otherwise.
CS: How can you determine the difference between invisible and imaginary?
We can detect, measure, and analyze the wind, so we know it exists, and we can even see it because of all the garbage caught up un it (also not unlike God), but most of all we can feel it due to it's destructive influence (also not unlike God). Are you sure that the wind is such a good analogy? Good for grade school kids, like you said, but they have so little difficulty believing in imaginary characters, don't they?
According to the bible babble, Slavery is OK
Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. (NIV)
Proof that Jesus was Black:
1. He called everybody "brother."
2. He liked gospel.
3. He couldn't get a fair trial.
Proof that Jesus was Puerto Rican:
1. His first name was Jesus.
2. He was bilingual.
3. He was harassed by the authorities.
4. He was unemployed.
Proof that Jesus was Jewish:
1. He went into his father's business.
2. He lived at home until the age of 33.
3. He was sure his mother was a virgin, and his mother was sure he was God.
Two guys and a government worker were fishing on a lake one day, when Jesus walked across the water and joined them in the boat. When the three astonished men had settled down enough to speak, the first guy asked humbly, "Jesus, I've suffered from back pain ever since I took shrapnel in the Vietnam war...could you help me?"
"Of course, my son", Jesus said, and when he touched the man's back, he felt relief for the first time in years. The second man, who wore very thick glasses and had a hard time reading and driving, asked if Jesus could do anything about his eyesight. Jesus smiled, removed the man's glasses and tossed them in the lake. When they hit the water, the man's eyes cleared and he could see everything distinctly.
When Jesus turned to heal the government worker, the guy put his hands up and cried defensively, "Don't touch me! I'm on long term disability."
I think it is time to pray for those like fred that do not have a clue who Jesus was. I will break for prayer that God has mercy on fred.
Please don't just pray for who Jesus was, but also who He is now.
THIS IS AN OFFICIAL RESTRAINING ORDER. You must keep your religious babble away from me at least 500 yards.
Nobody really has a clue what Jesus was like. Even the guys who wrote the gospels, none of them were eyewitnesses as far as we can tell. They wrote stories about Jesus' life for Christian communities.
Tell me, who was an eyewitness to Jesus being tempted by the Devil?
how come there are NO writings by Jesus???
i think it's wonderful how a person fred doesn't believe in occupies so much of his thinking.
24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to $exual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural $exual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
The Gospel according to John was written by the disciple....
Kill people that work on Saturday
You have six days each week for your ordinary work, but the seventh day must be a Sabbath day of complete rest, a holy day dedicated to the LORD. Anyone who works on that day must be put to death. (NLT)
Even Jesus blasted the Jews for adding their layer onto the truth of God (such as what can and cannot be done on the Sabath). Give it a rest or do you not really understand the difference between what situation was in the time of Exodus verves the last 3,200 years?
"The Gospel according to John was written by the disciple...."
All the Gospel of John says is that it was written by "the disciple whom Jesus loved." The names assigned to all the canonical gospels are traditional because none of them actually states who wrote them.
Jesus apparently did a lot of blasting. Of his disciples.
Maybe Jesus was Gay…..after all he did live amongst 12 young men… a lot younger than he was. Jesus was about 32, 33 years old, supposedly, and the deciples were: 4 of them were in their early to mid 20s , Peter about 28, and the other 7 were teenagers. two of these were about 12 or 13 years old (the twins)… so why would a 33 year old man be hanging around teenagers…. and why would they be so interested in him…maybe Jesus had a really big kok and knew how to use it!… and the Judas/Jesus story sounds more like the old ‘lover scorned’ story. Lover get his feelings hurt by his liver… becomesw angry, wants revenge, goes to police with concocted story, betrays lover, has him arrested, has remorse, but too late, justice has already taken it’s tole…scorned lover hangs himself… story is too nice & neat…. come on…Jesus was a gay …
u got some issues...
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