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My Take: What all those Jesus jokes tell us
The authors note that Jesus jokes have become popular just since the 1970s.
November 10th, 2012
10:00 PM ET

My Take: What all those Jesus jokes tell us

Editor’s note: Edward J. Blum is a historian of race and religion at San Diego State University. Paul Harvey is a history professor at the University of Colorado at Colorado Springs and runs the blog Religion in AmericanHistory. They co-authored “The Color of Christ: The Son of God and the Saga of Race in America.”

By Edward J. Blum and Paul Harvey, Special to CNN

Did you ever hear the one about Jesus being Mexican? Well, he was bilingual; he was constantly harassed by the government; and his first name was Jesus.

Or, perhaps Jesus was Irish? He loved a good story; he never kept a steady job; and his last request was for a drink.

Or maybe it’s possible that Jesus was Californian? He never cut his hair; he was always walking around barefoot; and he started a new religion.

You may not have heard these Jesus jokes, but you’ve heard others. They represent a comedic trend that has animated the United States since the 1970s. More and more comedy gimmicks hit on Jesus, his ethnicity and his relationship to politics. Laughing with (and at) the Lord is now fodder for major motion pictures, barroom comedy tours, graphic novels, t-shirts and bumper stickers.

How is it that a figure sacred to so many Americans has become the punch line of so many jokes? And why is it acceptable to poke fun at Jesus when other sacred figures are deemed off limits or there is hell to pay for mocking them?

The explanations are as numerous as the laughs.

Immigration shifts from the 1960s changed the ethnic and religious faces of the country so no tradition dominates today. The Christian right made such a moral spectacle of itself that it practically begged to be mocked. The emergence of “spiritual, but not religious” sensibilities left many Americans willing to denounce or laugh about traditional faith. The public rise of agnosticism, atheism, and secularism led to aggressive mockery as a form of persuasion.

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If we pause to consider why we’re laughing, we find that the comic bits delve into some of our thorniest and unresolved problems. The jokes reveal much more about us than they do Jesus. They speak to how our society has changed, how it hasn’t, and what we’re obsessed with.

The first public jokes about Jesus were heard in the 1970s. There had been religious jokes before this, but none about Jesus had become widely popular because organized Christianity held such authority. As the economic recession and problems of urban decay collided with civil rights exhaustion and new immigration, however, some Jesus jokes emerged.

Archie Bunker on “All in the Family” was the white racist and misogynist you loved to hate and hated to love. On one occasion, his son-in-law challenged Bunker’s rampant anti-Semitism with the claim, "Jesus was Jewish." Archie shot back immediately: "Only on his mother's side."

The “All in the Family” spin off “Good Times” featured a black family that lives in an inner-city housing project, probably Chicago's infamous Cabrini Green. On the show's second episode, the oldest son J. J. astounded everyone by painting Jesus as black. The younger son loves it, and says he learned all about Christ’s blackness from the local Nation of Islam.

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As the family debates whether this black Jesus should be hung on the wall in place of their white Jesus, they “miraculously” receive $140 from the Internal Revenue Service. Feeling blessed, the family placed the painting on its living room wall, and the elated J. J. shouted his tagline, "Dyno-mite!”

From the 1980s to the present, the number of prominent Jesus jokes has multiplied like loaves and fishes:

• In “Talladega Nights,” Ricky Bobby and his family debated which Jesus to pray to (“baby Jesus in golden fleece diapers,” “grown-up Jesus,” “ninja Jesus”). Their overall hope is that Jesus will help them continue their extravagant lifestyle.

• “South Park” featured Jesus as a weak-kneed host of a local talk show who boxes the devil.

• “Family Guy” had Jesus perform magic tricks that wowed his ancient audience.

• “The Colbert Report” placed a gun in Christ’s hand and had him defend conservatives against the liberal “War on Easter.”

• “Saturday Night Live” let Jesus chastise Tim Tebow for using the Lord’s name in vain and ended the bit by declaring that the Mormons have it right.

One unforgettable scene in the rather forgettable recent film “21 Jump Street” may explain why Jesus has become such a joke.

Before Jonah Hill’s character returns to high school as an undercover cop, he prays to a small, crucified “Korean Jesus.” Down on his knees, he says: “Hey Korean Jesus, I don’t know if you only cater to Korean Christians or if you even exist, no offense. I’m just really freaked out about going back to high school. It was just so f***ing hard the first time. … I just really don’t want to f*** this up. Sorry for swearing so much. The end? I don’t really know how to end the prayer.”

The hilarity of the moment only makes sense in our time. Hill's character is unchurched and agnostic, but wants spiritual power to guide him. We can laugh at how agnosticism and being “spiritual, but not religious,” leave him uncertain of what to say, how to say it, and even how to end.

We can also laugh at how ethnic factors color his approach. By wondering if Korean Jesus cares only about Korean problems, Hill pokes fun at the issue which was made a media spectacle in 2008, when the Rev. Jeremiah Wright could be heard preaching that “Jesus was a poor black man” as part of his support for Barack Obama. What good is a God who only cares for those who look like him?

The Jesus jokes not only reveal how tangled our religious, racial, economic and political positions have become, but also how many outlets there are for the jokes. In these tense times, when presidential hopefuls point fingers at one another and families unfriend one another over political and cultural differences, laughing may be one way to talk about the problems without killing one another.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Edward J. Blum and Paul Harvey.

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Filed under: Christianity • Entertainment • Jesus • Opinion

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  1. Jamied

    Only people stuck with Christianity are those who think they are special and the pastors living in mansions as always.

    November 12, 2012 at 10:03 pm |
  2. Anton Dubinski

    Religion flies you into buildings, science flies you to the moon.

    November 12, 2012 at 9:41 pm |
    • Christian

      The moon was created by God.

      November 12, 2012 at 10:33 pm |
    • Veritas

      christian, and your proof is?

      November 12, 2012 at 10:35 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      Then why is the moon not perfect?

      November 12, 2012 at 10:36 pm |
    • Christian

      Veritas, I will show you the proof later.

      November 12, 2012 at 10:39 pm |
    • AvdBergism source of filthyRainerBraendleinism©

      Because Tom Other one – man had to go there – put filthy feet there

      November 12, 2012 at 10:40 pm |
    • Dippy

      Who created god? And who created whatever it was that created god? Wake up, idiots, it's all bullshit!

      November 12, 2012 at 10:44 pm |
    • Star Stuff

      Tom, Tom, the Other One
      "Then why is the moon not perfect?"

      Oh, it used to be, but it sinned and was very bad. I think that it ate forbidden green cheese or something. "God" took all of its water and atmosphere and most of its gravity away, and sent it off to the lake of blackness.

      November 12, 2012 at 10:49 pm |
    • Answer

      Watch that stupid christian come and post the "moon dust" crap.

      It's even on the apologist's list of the one thing that will embarrass all apologists.

      November 12, 2012 at 10:49 pm |
  3. Richard

    All these brave, progressive liberal comics and comic writers (mostly Jewish) who say and write jokes about Jesus are FAR too cowardly to do the same for Muhammad or the Jewish god..

    November 12, 2012 at 9:31 pm |
    • Answer

      Oh so when the muslims that are firing their rockets into Israel and are met with a counter-attack does this mean they're cowards? lol

      November 12, 2012 at 9:34 pm |
    • Athy

      Richard, wake up. They're playing to the audience. Far more Christies than other religions.

      November 12, 2012 at 9:50 pm |
    • sam stone

      richard: making this a partisan political thing?

      November 13, 2012 at 7:05 am |
  4. Jenny

    There is no god in evolution, christianaity and Islam iare not real, both religions have lloopholes.

    November 12, 2012 at 9:27 pm |
  5. Answer

    @Jesus

    Alright.. since you want me to..

    Here it is. Civilizations are always developing. They always reach out from their god delusions towards technology.
    Technology allows for travel. Travel through space requires advanced tech.

    A civilization exists on this 'earth'. With the current understanding of the vastness of space and the universe, of that we are a part of.. we can not rule out other lifeforms.

    Other lifeforms -unknown to us- are aliens. For aliens to travel to us – it equates that their tech is superior. Since if they did get here and "we – humans" haven't even left our own planet– it means we suck.

    November 12, 2012 at 9:22 pm |
    • Answer

      Btw Jesus...

      Religious will never help with achieving with our travels. You religious idiots are the throwbacks.

      November 12, 2012 at 9:25 pm |
  6. Mike in SA

    Why do we have Jesus jokes? Because Christians have a sense of humor! Why don't we have Mohammed jokes? Duh...who wants to get their head cut off with a dull knife!

    November 12, 2012 at 9:22 pm |
    • sam stone

      mike: review all the posts where christians threaten hell to the people making jokes, then get back to me on their sense of humor

      November 13, 2012 at 7:07 am |
  7. mac101

    I didn't grow up in a Christian household, so I've never understood what the fuss is all about. If making jokes about Jesus says more about us than him, than I'd say Americans in general have a pretty good sense of humor.

    November 12, 2012 at 9:14 pm |
  8. Jesus is the most powerful figure known to mankind (Fact)

    So santa clause, unicorns, tooth fairies, and goblins non-existence can easily be proven. Now can a bold atheist who is full of knowledge prove that there isn't a Creator? Do not avoid the question PLEASE, just simply give the most simple piece of evidence proving the non-existence of a Creator. Now i know mostly everyone will avoid the question and ask me to provide evidence proving that there is a Creator, and thats fine I will. INTELLIGENT DESIGN. Ok now please someone answer my question.

    November 12, 2012 at 9:01 pm |
    • Veritas

      You say the non-existence of santa clause, unicorns, tooth fairies, and goblins can easily be proven. Show us the proof.

      November 12, 2012 at 9:05 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      No, you cannot prove that those creatures do not exist because you do not have complete knowledge of the entire universe at every time past and present; however, you are perfectly justified in disbelieving in those creatures until someone proves their existence to you or at least offers you compelling evidence for them. I disbelieve in your god for the same reason that you disbelieve in unicorns despite the fact that nobody can prove that none of them don't exist.

      Game, set, match.

      November 12, 2012 at 9:06 pm |
    • John

      I think you're the same nut as the "atheism isn't healthy for vegatables and other living things" imbecile.

      November 12, 2012 at 9:12 pm |
    • Jesus is the most powerful figure known to mankind (Fact)

      You guys are right santa clause right now is at the north pole correct? By the way thank you for doing exactly what i said you would do and avoid my question simple minded fools. Only a fool looks at intelligent design and give the credit to coincidence. LOL i really laugh at your foolish claims. Give me the statistics please of the chances of a world being created containg billions of different forms of life. Please give me the ratio if there is one i will be waiting? lol Hey look at that world that is the perfect distance from the sun orbiting around it on nothing. It also has living beings in it with things for the living beings to survive off of. Aw man all of these great, wonderful, and intelligent design must be the act of explosions!! Only chance can produce such powerful and unexplainable engineering.

      November 12, 2012 at 9:20 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      "So santa clause, unicorns, tooth fairies, and goblins non-existence can easily be proven."

      If it is so easy to prove....do it.....I don't believe they exist.....but I don't claim to be able to prove it either.

      November 12, 2012 at 9:20 pm |
    • Dippy

      Geez, folks. It's "Santa Claus", not "Santa Clause". Can't any of you get that right?

      November 12, 2012 at 9:56 pm |
    • psst's understudy

      I blame Tim Allen, Dippy.

      November 12, 2012 at 9:57 pm |
    • TR6

      @Jesus is the most powerful figure known to mankind (Fact): "You guys are right santa clause right now is at the north pole correct……"

      Thank you for such an amazingly accurate demonstration of Christian logic and comprehension at their finest!

      November 12, 2012 at 10:06 pm |
    • Veritas

      jesus dude, did you read any of the replies. You need to provide evidence for your non-existence claims.
      Were you home-schooled? Or just skipped the science classes?

      November 12, 2012 at 10:08 pm |
    • Christian

      It depends. If you define Santa Clause to be in the North Pole in our dimension at a certain time you could do an exhaustive search and claim he did not exist because you could have the ability to search the entire area. But you can not prove a negative.

      November 12, 2012 at 10:38 pm |
    • 0G-No gods, ghosts, goblins or ghouls

      While it is true that you cannot prove a negative that does not mean that every proposition is true. Believers have zero proof of any god. Making a claim without supporting evidence is not proof. Therefore, they must admit that there is a non-zero probability that no gods exist. Given the complete lack of prrof, after thousands of years of searching, the proability of any gods existing is just about zero. Once believers admit this, their religious "house of cards" falls. Believers are delusional, liars or both.

      November 12, 2012 at 10:49 pm |
    • OpposingView

      To Jesus is the most powerful… LOL…

      It is amazing to me how many people actually did "avoid your question" (just as you said) and feel we are too stupid to notice. Veritas started it off by talking about "santa claus, unicorns, etc." Followed by Moby Schtick, Blessed, Dippy, etc. They all spoke about santa claus and unicorns when that was NOT the question. The question you had posed was simply – "give me a simple piece of evidence proving the non-existence of a Creator". Not one of them addressed your question – and feel we are too stupid to notice. Instead of them addressing your question (which they'd didn't have a clue about) they chose to avoid your question by talking about santa claus and unicorns…

      LOL. Atheists are so predicable...

      November 12, 2012 at 11:59 pm |
    • 0G-No gods, ghosts, goblins or ghouls

      OV, you and "jesus" are dumb fucks... We atheists readily admit we can't prove the non-existence of your god(s)! You fail to understand that no one can prove a negative and that the burden of proof is on those making the positive claim. You believers are making a positive claim that there are god so you must provide supporting evidence, but no one has done that so your claim as not been made. Got it?

      November 13, 2012 at 12:30 am |
    • OpposingView

      To OG-No gods… Most of us has long known that you have sold your soul to the devil and is on your way to the lake, but why keep telling us about it? Why keep showing us your colors and reminding us of that? We really don't want to know. So please just keep it to yourself and continue quietly on to the lake…

      November 13, 2012 at 12:42 am |
    • 0G-No gods, ghosts, goblins or ghouls

      OV, you truly have a reading comprehension problem – which probably contributes to your delusional mental illness... I don't believe in your god or any of its alleged mythical cohorts such as lucifer. I have sold nothing to no thing! I do not believe in a heaven or hell, nor am I afraid of same. Your myths have no power! Why do I continue to post? To correct the lies of idiots such as yourself and to show others that religion is a load of crap with absolutely no basis in fact. If a single person is saved from a cult, that is a very good thing.

      Now, how about you quit ducking the question and prove that your god, jesus and The Babble are true?

      November 13, 2012 at 12:53 am |
    • tallulah13

      Santa Cause? Is this like Santa Phrase or Santa Gerund? Or Sanity Clause, like in that Marx Brothers film?

      November 13, 2012 at 2:32 am |
    • 0G-No gods, ghosts, goblins or ghouls

      And once again, as always, the believers vanish (which is not necessarily a bad thing) when they are asked a simple question – where's your evidence for your claims? They have nothing! Their beliefs are 100% bullsh!t.

      November 13, 2012 at 8:31 am |
  9. auggiedoggy

    Dude, God Does Exist. God is an ALIEN! ;)

    November 12, 2012 at 8:50 pm |
    • Answer

      An alien would only be an advanced technological being.. not a god.

      November 12, 2012 at 8:51 pm |
    • auggiedoggy

      @Answer, I was joking. But Im sure those Ancient Alien guys would love to argue with you on that one.

      November 12, 2012 at 8:54 pm |
    • Answer

      Well I'd love it.

      Of course they'll have the technology to kick my b-u-t-t, but that's cool! XD

      November 12, 2012 at 8:56 pm |
    • auggiedoggy

      I was talking about the TV show "Ancient Aliens". They make a interesting case for Aliens being confused for Gods by ancient civilizations.

      November 12, 2012 at 8:59 pm |
    • Jesus is the most powerful figure known to mankind (Fact)

      @ answer, please explain to me your claim on aliens you know nothing about. How would you know what they would be when your not even sure if they exist? Does this really make sense in that small world of yours? lol im really laughing at you. All you know you limited mortal is what is around you. You need to come to a simple truth we know nothing. As advance as you may believe we are, we are not even close to knowing nothing. We are so far from knowing close to nothing. lol think about smarty

      November 12, 2012 at 9:11 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      "You need to come to a simple truth we know nothing."

      And yet you claim to know Jesus is god-–oooohhhhh the irony.

      November 12, 2012 at 9:18 pm |
    • TR6

      @Answer: "An alien would only be an advanced technological being.. not a god."

      A sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from miracles

      November 12, 2012 at 10:11 pm |
    • Answer

      TR6.. yes.. exactly.

      November 12, 2012 at 10:12 pm |
  10. Hm

    I respect people who believe in no god like i respect everyone to the best of my abilities. But i have problems with how they believe a fish turned into ALL the life we see around us. Evolution is unprovable unless you live a million years. Besides many of the "facts" supporting evolution have been proven wrong and not true. Look up Kevin Hoven.

    November 12, 2012 at 8:43 pm |
    • Answer

      LOL

      The fraud Hoven – still in prison – hilarious!

      November 12, 2012 at 8:45 pm |
    • say what

      Was that the banana guy? Hovind? Ha.

      November 12, 2012 at 8:47 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      Kent Hovind. Hold fvck, these people don't even know the names of their own idols.

      November 12, 2012 at 8:49 pm |
    • Answer

      Ray Comfort is the Banana Man.. his sidekick being Kirk Cameron.

      I love these amateur apologists that show up on CNN. XD

      November 12, 2012 at 8:49 pm |
    • say what

      Ah right, Ray Comfort.

      Definitive proof – this banana!

      November 12, 2012 at 8:52 pm |
    • PevanB

      Pearls before swine my friend

      November 12, 2012 at 8:54 pm |
    • Veritas

      Read a book called "Your Inner Fish" by Neil Shubin.

      November 12, 2012 at 9:07 pm |
    • John

      Dude, you need to read something other than your bible and listen to someone other than your pastor.

      November 12, 2012 at 9:20 pm |
    • Dippy

      And try thinking for once. I know it's hard with a defective brain, but do the best you can.

      November 12, 2012 at 9:59 pm |
    • PRISM 1234

      Hm, you are talking tho people who rather stick their heads in the sand believe lies. Jesus explained why those who don't come to Him refuse to do it: It is because of what is in their hearts (John 3:16- 21)

      November 12, 2012 at 10:04 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheese makers

      Prism,

      That is cult logic

      November 12, 2012 at 10:08 pm |
    • Star Stuff

      PevanB,

      Pearls? Pearls can be tested and proven to be real. What you have is more like those fancy, sweet-smelling bath oil beads.

      November 12, 2012 at 10:19 pm |
    • tallulah13

      I love how the great christian hope is a felon who is serving time on 58 federal counts, including 12 tax offenses, one count of obstructing federal agents, and 45 counts of structuring cash transactions. It appears that morality and honesty mean very little to christians. They will support any liar, con-man and criminal that tells them what they want to hear. Are they naive or just plain stupid?

      November 13, 2012 at 2:38 am |
    • fintastic

      @tallah........... EXACTLY.

      November 14, 2012 at 12:46 pm |
  11. Da King

    They tell us the jokers do not know Him.

    November 12, 2012 at 8:40 pm |
    • fintastic

      Elvis? is that you??

      November 14, 2012 at 3:33 pm |
  12. Crash

    It never ceases to amaze me how ahteists inevitably "swarm" to the very thing they claim no belief in – in crowds!!! Utterly hilarious

    November 12, 2012 at 8:40 pm |
    • say what

      Yea, welcome to the internet, Chuck. Stupid comments will not go unaddressed.

      November 12, 2012 at 8:42 pm |
  13. Bob

    Christian, start your reading and learning here:
    http://www.investigatingatheism.info/definition.html

    November 12, 2012 at 8:38 pm |
    • Da King

      We have our own book. You should try it.

      November 12, 2012 at 8:47 pm |
    • Christian

      I have probably already heard everything written in there.

      "I have a fundamental belief in the Bible as the Word of God, written by those who were inspired. I study the Bible daily."– Issac Newton

      November 12, 2012 at 8:58 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      You mean Isaac Newton, the alchemist?

      November 12, 2012 at 9:00 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      Isaac Newton was/is famous for his scientific discoveries....his religious belief is meaningless.

      November 12, 2012 at 9:14 pm |
    • Christian

      My definition of atheism is based on arguing with 100s of them over the existence of God. Inevitably, they will say I worship an imaginary God. Thus revealing they believe that God does not exist. There is a difference between atheism and agnosticism. You can hide behind a technical definition of the word atheism all you want. At the end of the day, what counts is if you accept Jesus Christ as your savior before you die. There really are only two categories that count: Forgiven or not forgiven.

      I am sorry if I misrepresented anyone's beliefs in my comments. I will research the technical definition better. But that is my interpretation of the actual beliefs of many atheist I have argued with (The believe that there is not God).

      November 12, 2012 at 9:27 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      Christian,

      The point you are missing......just because we don't believe YOUR god exists does not mean NO god exists. It just means we are not going to believe one does exist until such a time that there is evidence.

      You are under the mistaken impression that it is your god or no god. Think outside of the box.

      November 12, 2012 at 9:37 pm |
    • Answer

      "what counts is if you accept Jesus Christ as your savior before you die."

      You're a d-i-p-s-h-i-t christian.

      Look at your words idiot. Look at the imaginary god you named as jeebus. Among all the names of god how ever do you convince yourself that is a god?

      I look at you fools and all I see are "wants". I want this name for my god. I want this name to be the name of truth.
      All the while you don't even know that it is. Pure stupidity.

      November 12, 2012 at 9:38 pm |
    • Madtown

      At the end of the day, what counts is if you accept Jesus Christ as your savior before you die
      ------–
      What happens to people who've never even heard the name Jesus Christ, because they were born into a part of this world where christianity doesn't exist. What counts for them?

      November 12, 2012 at 9:51 pm |
    • OpposingView

      Madtown… Remember the old saying that if a tree falls in the forest and no one hears it, does it make a sound?… well, if you die tonight and end up in hell, will it even matter if someone a half a world a way is saved or not? Answer: It won't matter one bit because you'll still be in hell…

      There is no one on earth that God's eye does not see. If you are meant to be saved, then God has a way of saving you…

      Therefore, instead of worrying about them, you should worry about yourself and ask, What must I do to be saved? (see Acts 2:38 for the answer). On Judgment Day, no one shall have any excuse…

      November 13, 2012 at 12:36 am |
    • Wholly Goats

      OpposingView: " If you are meant to be saved, then God has a way of saving you…"

      If so, it certainly wouldn't be sending out a laughingstock moron like you as a spokesman.

      November 13, 2012 at 1:04 am |
    • OpposingView

      Wholly Goats... And please tell us how a goat would even know?...

      November 13, 2012 at 1:45 am |
    • Madtown

      What must I do to be saved? (see Acts 2:38 for the answer).
      -------
      LOL!!! You are hilariously moronic. Thanks for making my point for me. I'm not in need of being "saved", for I've done nothing wrong. Predictably, you offer a verse of scripture, as if that is supposed to mean something. The point again is: many people throughout the world have no access to your religion. They'll never read your scripture. Can they be "saved"? I know the answer, but I'm curious what you think. I think I know what you think, and it will likely make me laugh again.

      November 13, 2012 at 9:38 am |
    • fintastic

      OV............ Moron alert! moron alert!.............

      Keep it up OV...... I'm loving every byte!....... Come on now, I asked you before.... tell us again about that devil dude who lives in toasty land!...........

      November 14, 2012 at 12:49 pm |
  14. say what

    Christian – If I refuse to play the banjo, does that mean that I am just playing another type of instrument? Why do you insist that a non-belief must be some form of belief?

    November 12, 2012 at 8:38 pm |
    • Da King

      We don't. That's totally up to you.

      November 12, 2012 at 8:42 pm |
    • say what

      Who is 'we?' I was responding to Christian.

      November 12, 2012 at 8:43 pm |
    • Da King

      Say what?

      November 12, 2012 at 8:49 pm |
    • Christian

      I am asking you not to rule out the possibility that God exists. I am saying that it is illogical to say you can prove a negative. It is perfectly logical to say: "I do not know." Why say God does not exist? What have you achieved?

      November 12, 2012 at 9:00 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      As an agnostic atheist I think about the possibility of different sorts of possible gods all the time. Seeing as I'm only a nonbeliever who claims no spiritual knowledge, it's a fun hobby that in no way violates my position. See my reply to your stupidity below.

      November 12, 2012 at 9:03 pm |
    • OpposingView

      To say what… The opinion of man matters not. It matters not whether you personally feel that your personal belief is a form of religion or not. All that matters is whether the eternal God thinks it's a religion (yes, he's real and you'll get to see him on Judgment Day). If God thinks it's a religion – and a false religion at that – then you're in trouble…

      Consider this: "Belief" is not a requirement to go to hell. When you die you are still going there whether you believe in it or not. Belief is only a requirement to get to heaven…

      November 13, 2012 at 12:11 am |
    • fintastic

      @OV.......... "consider this"............. no such place as hell,,,,,,,,,,,, ........ no imaginary toasty land.... just ancient mythology.

      Your babble is evidence of NOTHING.

      November 14, 2012 at 12:52 pm |
  15. cerebral1

    @ Christian. Your logic defies logic. The bible is the greatest work of fiction ever perpetuated as fact.

    November 12, 2012 at 8:37 pm |
    • Christian

      How do you know that the Bible is fiction? The Bible predicted that Israel would be regathered from all the nations a 3rd time. That happened on May 14, 1948. The next events predicted will have either Damascus Syria destroyed during a single night or Russia, Iran, and Turkey invading Israel. Note; If Israel is wiped out, then Judaism and Christianity are invalid. Because God promised it would not be defeated after it was reformed a 3rd time. Watch for these things.

      November 12, 2012 at 9:36 pm |
    • Answer

      Pick a passage from the bible and make it fit into the history of whatever you like it to show.

      Typical christian mentality. Understand why your words are so stupid.

      November 12, 2012 at 9:45 pm |
    • End Religion

      We know the bible is fiction until it is proven otherwise. It has never been so proven. In fact it has been shown to be a fabrication of older myths and legends, over and over again.

      November 12, 2012 at 11:22 pm |
    • OpposingView

      End Religion… You don't know anything. And the bible is "truth" until proven otherwise – not "fiction" until proven otherwise (yes, I noticed your little play on words). And truth cannot be proven untrue…

      But if you need proof the scriptures are true, look no further than Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who came to earth and has fully stated the scriptures are true. And there is no greater authority than Jesus Christ, whose word is unimpeachable, and it is wholly impossible for God to lie…

      November 13, 2012 at 12:21 am |
    • End Religion

      OV: "End Religion… You don't know anything."

      Yes, I do.

      ***
      "And the bible is "truth" until proven otherwise – not "fiction" until proven otherwise (yes, I noticed your little play on words). And truth cannot be proven untrue…"

      Absolutely incorrect. Non-fiction is notated so we know the source of the "facts" it presents. Not only isn't the bible notated to ground it in fact, it has been shown to be based on precedent myths. Since you have trouble with facts and definitions, a myth is a made up story. The bible is based on made up stories that came before it. It has zero basis in fact. The bible is as far from "fact" as we have in our shared reality.

      ***
      "But if you need proof the scriptures are true, look no further than Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who came to earth and has fully stated the scriptures are true. And there is no greater authority than Jesus Christ, whose word is unimpeachable, and it is wholly impossible for God to lie…"

      LOL! Hello circular argument. You don't even need to look that one up, you just presented it perfectly. You may have stepped a tad beyond deluded.

      As for the unimpeachable Jesus, here are nine of his lies:
      http://www.evilbible.com/Jesus_Lied.htm

      November 13, 2012 at 8:35 am |
    • fintastic

      @endreligion......... You're trying to explain simple logical concepts to a total moron...... good luck with that.

      LOL

      November 14, 2012 at 12:56 pm |
  16. Tom, Tom, the Other One

    You know it's incumbent upon YOU to prove that the tooth fairy does not exist (with apologies to Chad):

    =>1. No historical detail about the tooth fairy has ever been proven to be incorrect
    2. The ONLY way that the supernatural events about the tooth fairy can be claimed to be fiction a-priori, is if you can demonstrate that the tooth fairy does NOT exist.
    3. If you cannot prove that the tooth fairy does not exist, then you need to be open to the possibility that the supernatural has occurred, and cannot discredit supernatural events a-priori.

    so, if you claim that the supernatural is impossible, then you need to prove the tooth fairy does not exist.

    November 12, 2012 at 8:36 pm |
    • Aha..

      I see what you did there...

      but do they??

      November 12, 2012 at 8:45 pm |
    • The tooth fairy

      Actually, I don't exist... or at least how humans precieve existence.
      Thus said, question answered, case closed.

      November 12, 2012 at 9:03 pm |
    • psst's understudy

      It's "perceive," Miss.

      November 12, 2012 at 9:48 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      Chad: " The problem with attempting to actually deal with the evidence in an historically logical manner, is that you quickly see why after over 300 years of earnestly trying, no one has ever posited a naturalistic explanation of the accepted facts."

      Indeed.

      November 12, 2012 at 10:10 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      @Atheist " but there are no witnesses of his continued existence. I think we need support of that part of the claim before the rest can be believed."

      @Chad "????
      only 2.2 billion... what number were you looking for?

      November 12, 2012 at 10:19 pm |
    • Chad

      1. No historical detail about the tooth fairy has ever been proven to be incorrect
      =>what historical details exist about the tooth fairly? please provide a link.
      Of course if there arent any, you are making a false statement, because there must exist at least one historical claim to say that none have ever been disproved.

      2. The ONLY way that the supernatural events about the tooth fairy can be claimed to be fiction a-priori, is if you can demonstrate that the tooth fairy does NOT exist.
      =>that is a true statement.

      3. If you cannot prove that the tooth fairy does not exist, then you need to be open to the possibility that the supernatural has occurred, and cannot discredit supernatural events a-priori.
      =>If you can not prove the tooth fairy does not exist, then a supernatural act by the tooth fairy must remain in the pool of live options.

      so, if you claim that the supernatural is impossible, then you need to prove the tooth fairy does not exist..
      =>true statement.
      if you claim that no supernatural event is possible, you must prove that no supernatural entity exists.

      basic formal logic...

      November 13, 2012 at 1:17 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      Everything is based on the unjustified assertion that the supernatural exists.

      November 13, 2012 at 1:24 pm |
    • Chad

      @hawaiiguest "Everything is based on the unjustified assertion that the supernatural exists."

      @Chad "no.. you have it exactly backwards.. :-)
      everything is based on the premise that since the supernatural cant be disproved, it remains in the pool of live options as a potential explanation.

      November 13, 2012 at 3:13 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Chad

      That's completely stupid. An unjustified assertion without evidence can be discounted without evidence. It doesn't matter how you try to spin the burden of proof and standards of evidence you dishonest prick, anyone with even a basic understanding of those things can easily see your stupidity.

      November 13, 2012 at 3:18 pm |
    • Chad

      @hawaiiguest "That's completely stupid. An unjustified assertion without evidence can be discounted without evidence."
      @Chad "no..
      A. "unjustified" is a subjective statement that you are making, it has nothing to back it up to demonstrate it's validity
      B. "without evidence" is likewise a subjective statement, as well, evidence HAS been presented (you dont consider it persuasive, but nevertheless it is evidence)
      C. No hypothesis can be eliminated from the pool of live options with out evidence justifying the elimination.

      basic logic..

      November 13, 2012 at 5:12 pm |
    • Bob

      "B. "without evidence" is likewise a subjective statement, as well, evidence HAS been presented (you dont consider it persuasive, but nevertheless it is evidence)"

      Chad tell me exactly how can science prove that someone like God doesn't exist? Explain to me how science can do that. Spell it out.

      November 13, 2012 at 5:19 pm |
    • Chad

      I would maintain as these people do, that it can not be proved that God does not exist.

      "I can't prove that God doesn't exist," Cosmologist Dr. Lawrence Krauss

      "One can't prove that God doesn't exist," Stephen Hawking

      “We don’t say we’ve proved that God doesn’t exist.” Mlodinow says. “We don’t even say we’ve proved that God hasn’t created the universe.” As for the laws of physics, he says, some may choose to call those God. “If you think that God is the embodiment of quantum theory, that’s fine.” Leonard Mlodinow

      November 13, 2012 at 5:28 pm |
    • mama k

      Notice that there is a difference in Krauss' and Hawking's statements here, which I find important. I think Krauss has a better statement. Hawking's statement sounds final across time which imho is overboard. That is, sure – presently no on knows a way to disprove the God of Israel. (Well, for the purpose of my argument – I am assuming we are all discussing the God of Israel.) But should certain good hard, physical evidence become available that would throw all supernatural occurrences in the Bible out the window, then, even though you still could not disprove any kind of god meaning, as we usually think, something that cannot be normally perceived, we *could* start to see that it would be *even more* highly unlikely that the God of Israel is so unlikely among the masses (based on this future evidence I mention), that it becomes accepted disproof of his existence. I don't think that would ever happen, but I am compelled to show cases that people leave out when they make some kind of claim across all time as it seem Hawking has done.

      November 13, 2012 at 5:58 pm |
    • mama k

      typo corrections: 3rd line: no one
      and last line: as it seems

      November 13, 2012 at 6:01 pm |
    • The Anti-Chad

      The Impossibility of God
      Proven

      November 13, 2012 at 6:07 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Chad

      What a lovely post that gives absolutely no substantial justifications or evidence of your assertions, yet contains assertions that your assertions are justified and have evidence.

      November 13, 2012 at 6:14 pm |
    • mama k

      (Chad): [Miodinow:] As for the laws of physics, he says, some may choose to call those God. “If you think that God is the embodiment of quantum theory, that’s fine.” Leonard Mlodinow

      I find this silly on two levels. First, it's just my belief that man created god in his image, not the other way around – so on that assumption, obviously the chance of god being creator of universe is nil. And I realize many others feel they have good reason to believe otherwise.

      But secondly, aside from that, I think the scientist here is being too limiting – we don't know anything about what was before the present universe to know what properties/attributes were present, if any. So it's kind of silly and just conjecture so start throwing physics and quantum theory into the mix.

      November 13, 2012 at 6:14 pm |
    • mama k

      more typo correction – last line of last post: to start throwing

      November 13, 2012 at 6:16 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Chad

      Do you enjoy shifting the burden of proof? It seems like you do, since it is one of your favortie fallback fallacies.

      November 13, 2012 at 6:17 pm |
  17. Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

    Looks like Brophy/OV ran away. Must be time for milk, cookies and bed in Crazyville.

    November 12, 2012 at 8:34 pm |
  18. Answer

    Religious dolts are so insecure. So funny.

    November 12, 2012 at 8:32 pm |
    • OpposingView

      To Answer… Imagine two people. One is a religious person who is at peace because they believe they are saved and are going to heaven. The other is a non-religious person who lives their life in fear that if they die they might go to hell. Now which of those two people do you feel is the most insecure?…

      If you say the religious person, then you're dumber than you look…

      November 13, 2012 at 12:55 am |
    • fintastic

      @OV..... I would say the one who is the most insecure is the one who believes in fairy tales and mythology....

      November 14, 2012 at 12:59 pm |
  19. Christian

    Please consider watching this:

    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpnU_4a1BCw&w=640&h=390]

    November 12, 2012 at 8:25 pm |
    • Bob

      This is much more worth while to watch:
      [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPOfurmrjxo&w=640&h=390]

      November 12, 2012 at 8:28 pm |
    • PRISM 1234

      Heaven is for real... Hell is for real.
      And George Carlin's knows it now. He doesn't mock God any more.... He weeps in agony for what he has forfeited.

      November 12, 2012 at 9:57 pm |
    • Veritas

      And your proof is?

      November 12, 2012 at 10:00 pm |
    • Bob

      PRISSY, evidence please. We're still waiting for you to produce any.

      Carlin was brilliant. Same can't be said for you and your posts.

      November 12, 2012 at 10:00 pm |
    • AvdBergism source of filthyRainerBraendeinism©

      Goons. They give year's supply McNuggets for kid to say.

      November 12, 2012 at 10:09 pm |
    • End Religion

      George Carlin knows nothing now. He's dead. Brain stopped working and began to rot. You see, the brain is the organ that allows for learning and retaining that knowledge. I could swear you might have learned this in middle school if not elementary... maybe you were home schooled.

      November 12, 2012 at 11:30 pm |
    • tallulah13

      You keep posting this, but it doesn't make this child's story any more true. As I previously stated, it is more likely that the child connected the events of his experience in a manner that made sense within the framework of his upbringing:

      For instance: The child hears that his grandfather is dead. He hears that Grandpa is in heaven with Jesus. The child has a health crisis and experiences the typical events of a near death experience, ie the white light, thinking that other people are with him, etc. As the child recovers he overhears that he was dead. Since he's pretty sure that he saw people when he was dead, and he knows that grandpa is dead and with Jesus, it must have been them.

      I don't believe that this child is lying. I think he has been encouraged to tell this story for so long, starting at a young age, that the story has replaced the memory. I don't think the parents started out trying to exploit their child, but I don't think they looked to deeply for other answers before they started making money from their child's trauma.

      I feel bad for the kid. Even if he starts to doubt his story, he will never be allowed to think about it objectively. Too many people are profiting from it.

      November 12, 2012 at 11:35 pm |
    • sam stone

      "And George Carlin's knows it now. He doesn't mock God any more.... He weeps in agony for what he has forfeited."

      More conjecture, Prissy?

      November 13, 2012 at 8:17 am |
  20. Doomed

    @realbuckyball. you have failed, you atheists have declared that Pluto was not a planet.

    November 12, 2012 at 8:23 pm |
    • say what

      How does that change anything? It looks like he never claimed that it was a planet, anyways. Large icy things have satellites too, you know.

      November 12, 2012 at 8:30 pm |
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