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Liberal Catholics use election results to battle bishops
Archbishop Timothy Dolan sounded a nuanced tone on politics at a recent bishops meeting.
November 13th, 2012
03:02 PM ET

Liberal Catholics use election results to battle bishops

By Dan Merica, CNN

Washington (CNN) - Emboldened by the re-election of President Barack Obama, a cadre of liberal Catholic activists and groups is waging a campaign alleging that America's Catholic bishops are out of touch with Catholic laypeople.

The Catholic bishops, who are in Baltimore this week for a quarterly meeting, spoke out against the Obama administration during the election cycle over what they said were White House violations of religious freedom.

Some bishops also spoke out against legalized gay marriage and abortion rights, positions embraced by many Republicans.

A Sunday opinion piece in the National Catholic Reporter by Thomas Reese, a Jesuit priest at Georgetown University, hammered the bishops for their public proclamations during the campaign, saying the church leaders' “political strategy … is not working.”

“A majority of Catholics voted for Obama, and gay activists won every referendum,” Reese wrote, referring to initiatives legalizing gay marriage in Maine, Maryland and Washington.

Exit polls showed that Catholics narrowly voted for Obama, by 50% to 48%.

Reese also noted that Republican Senate candidates in Missouri and Indiana who voiced very conservative lines on abortion were defeated.

Catholics United and Catholics for Choice, two liberal Catholic groups, released statements around the meeting decrying the bishops' “failures” during the 2012 campaign.

“The bishops had a miserable return on investment of Catholic people's money and we demand an accounting of how they spent it campaigning on measures that Catholics clearly did not support,” wrote Catholics for Choice President Jon O'Brien.

Catholics United is delivering a petition to the Catholic bishops that calls on them to "reconsider their alliance with the Republican Party and refocus their attention on caring for the poor and vulnerable.”

In remarks to the 250 bishops assembled in Baltimore, bishops conference President Timothy Dolan touched on politics, sounding a nuanced tone.

“The premier answer to the question ‘What's wrong with the world? What's wrong with the church?’ is not politics, the economy, secularism, sectarianism, globalization or global warming,” Dolan said.

"The answer to the question ‘What's wrong with the world?’ is just two words: ‘I am,' ” he continued, quoting author G.K. Chesterton.

Other archbishops at the meeting seemed to double down on the fight for religious liberty and same-sex marriage, according to the Catholic News Service.

Archbishop William E. Lori of Baltimore, in a report to a committee on religious liberty, stated that “whatever setbacks or challenges in the efforts to defend religious liberty we may be experiencing, we're going to stay the course.”

San Francisco Archbishop Salvatore J. Cordileone addressed the spate of successful gay marriage initiatives, saying that “people don't understand what marriage is.”

“This is not a time to give up but rather a time to redouble our efforts,” he said.

The fight between liberal and conservative factions of the Catholic Church has been simmering for years, playing out in parishes, in college campuses and on the national political stage, with the vice presidential candidacy of two Catholics: Joe Biden and Paul Ryan.

In their sole debate together, Biden and Ryan gave different reads on how their faith shaped their politics. Biden focused on Catholic social teaching about helping the poor while Ryan talked about his belief that life begins at conception.

Steve Schneck, a Catholic University scholar who was supportive of Obama's candidacy, disagreed with liberals who are criticizing the bishops, saying most bishops did not weigh in on the election.

"Only a handful of bishops were involved, and it is about the same number that was involved in 2008,” he said.

“Most Catholics, whether they are politically liberal or politically conservative, are not interested in seeing their priests become politically involved,” said Schneck, the Obama campaign’s national co-chairman for Catholics. "They want their parishes and archdioceses to become politics-free zones.”

- Dan Merica

Filed under: 2012 Election • Catholic Church • Politics

soundoff (569 Responses)
  1. CS

    CS

    This is most likely the work of the Dong Dudes Satan troll. He is the only one I can think of to be this childish.

    That being said G.O.D., it would be nice if you post something comprehensible. You are as bad as the hindu-bot troll, but you still have the right to post what you want...

    November 13, 2012 at 9:35 pm |
    • Satans dong

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      November 14, 2012 at 9:39 am |
  2. God's Oldest Dreamer

    Seek ye the mind's eye! Find ye then the eye's mind! Once there, stay a while! Bleeding hearts do throb for heavily weighted undulations of ever to inwardly evolve with not much whimpered bitterness and they will even and always proclaim them and not their deadenedness sarcasms. Search your vents of one's vintage-aged rationale! Hunt down the lying shames and rid one's self of zealotism! Corner ye the markets before others have their will to blindingly stake a claim via their shallowed integrations! Ride high amidst the banyon tree's branches! Ever careful and ever mindful and never conceited ye be while ever in denial are the godless and ungodly unbelievers' eyeing minds!

    November 13, 2012 at 9:27 pm |
    • CS

      This is most likely the work of the Dong Dudes Satan troll. He is the only one I can think of to be this childish.

      That being said G.O.D., it would be nice if you post something comprehensible. You are as bad as the hindu-bot troll, but you still have the right to post what you want.

      November 13, 2012 at 9:35 pm |
  3. God's Oldest Dreamer

    I really wish CNN would have a program where no one else could have anyone's name!

    November 13, 2012 at 9:17 pm |
    • realbuckyball

      Go to WordPress.
      Password protect you name.
      You may have to pick a different one. hen, when you post here, your name will be in blue, and you have to sign in, to post. This is why many of us changed our names. ... Bucky

      November 13, 2012 at 9:27 pm |
    • God's Oldest Dreamer

      Where is "Wordpress" and how do I get there?

      November 13, 2012 at 9:29 pm |
    • Actually....

      @realbuckyball they won't do it because they're a troll on this site which is why they are upset, they don't want to be accountable for the garbage they've been posting.

      November 13, 2012 at 9:29 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      The 'Report abuse' button is doing something different now.

      November 13, 2012 at 9:52 pm |
    • realbuckyball

      CNN's blogs are hosted by WordPress. Create a free WordPress account, and when you post it will auto-link.
      http://wordpress.org/

      November 14, 2012 at 12:19 am |
  4. God's Oldest Dreamer

    It looks like MY evil other is being a fluckup! What a dumb futz and dumber klutz. IT is the dumbest futz klutz of all time! Sheer looney tunes!

    November 13, 2012 at 9:06 pm |
  5. Corner Cafe

    You could see this coming. G.O.D. never gets just the salad. Too much red meat.

    November 13, 2012 at 9:06 pm |
    • God's Oldest Dreamer

      C.C. et al,

      I am really sorry for the name stealer "blahing" my namesake thru the salad bars. I reported 'its' abuse to the local authorities. Please all of you hit the "blahers' abuse button to get the chit of abusivenss removed!

      G.O.D.
      (The real one)

      November 13, 2012 at 9:12 pm |
  6. Akira

    Ah. Blahduism. Fun.

    November 13, 2012 at 9:05 pm |
  7. God's Oldest Dreamer

    I have lived temporally and reasoned sometimes with blaphemies while ever in repentence's stepping ways. I loved and so was loved and ever will be an unloved by a so many who cannot see past their own noses. I was once a nostril to be picked upon and though I knew not Life's symmetries and still I am confounded by the asymmetrical lavishings that many do allure. I am that I may be and I may be for I am. It matters not that I am even though I was and will ever be the me of I am and the I of that which was.Who better to know and be known but by being one's self? Love conquests are damningly held and bound up in the pther's treasured aptness.

    November 13, 2012 at 8:42 pm |
  8. Laurence Ringo

    Wow,"God's oldest dreamer";those must be some awesome drugs,brah!!What the what,dude?I forgot what the original topic was!!!

    November 13, 2012 at 8:36 pm |
    • Super Friends

      G.O.D. is having a major tantrum! How cute!

      November 13, 2012 at 8:40 pm |
    • God's Oldest Dreamer

      L R et al,

      My mystery otherness is having a tantrum spat for his inability to make me blowup my sense of rationalism. He was once called Apple Bush. (I think)

      November 13, 2012 at 8:48 pm |
  9. God's Oldest Dreamer

    There are many more believers in a monotheistic deity than RCC types. I guess it boils down or bubbles over as to one's perceivements regarding individualisms of one's sciatica. Details are what seems deleterious toward one another and the begotten seem to be the first roots of denegration although not always is it to be the case. I, for instance am the first root of my parents while my brother did become their secondary root of sensualisms twinkling eyes of a time long ago hardly to be remembered by the parental limbs of spotted growths.

    We, brother and I, do come and go down Life's highway ever to hardly remember our rooted beings lest we stumble over them in gestating memories brought to our surface. Does any difference meet in the middle? Where does a line end or begin should one draw straight and true? Where does Life end and living truly begin? What danger is truly the stranger? Where can promises be leveraged in their weightiness? Does a thief steal for needs or does a watcher see the thievery and place blames? Who and what thru where and when?

    Be ye the physician and speak kindly upon the verboten should you spill the watery grascious splendors of willful contriteness for the ungodly and the godless share the road together and will try not to be blasphemous nor blame the otherly forsaking one's lot in Life. The danger is really the stranger.

    There can be no other way than the roads most traversed in the drudgery and mindlessness being and becoming the treasured. The alluring duality of natured symmetries beguiles and does bewilder the commoner more than the fielded phenom upon aged statutes. Live freely and play kindly while ever being in the knowing of one's singularisms dual nativities. Love therefor a thief who claims and never consider the one who blames.

    Where lays a person's consciousness in times when one reflects upon abnormal societal relations creating a personal subdiffusion within another's reflective ism? Are such people rendered being inadequate by others who themselves are awkwardly ingenuous? Does there lay a pyramidal conflagration each and every time a person of goodly conscience surfaces from the social abyss to render their opinionated differences? Who among us is duly formulated as being different from otherly pottaged folds?

    Where do the ungodly and godless formulate their ideologies from whence they venture forth an opinion? Who among the ungodly can stand alone and without need of godless argumentative soothsayers hiding in near corners waiting for to pounce whenever the goodly natured give rise their opinions? Is it not truthful that many ungodly and godless do sound off to unjustly irritate the rational attempts goodly people endure to make conversation? Where does ungodly and godless end and goodly begin? Who plays upon Life's fields and who stays on the benches?

    A scattering is upon us in these trying days and Age. Leave your wantings behind and never take wind of one's longings for the weightiness of one's longings will smite even the most influential. Carry away nothing and leave. Head to the places inside one's being and do not keep ajar your door for many will want to enter in and should not. Your loving this Life is for the world to have and you should not heed the rumors from others as to just what is truly right. It is therefore best for mankind to simmer in their juvenile pottages never rationalizingly 'assaying' one's diffuse detriments, the very smallest of life's grains. As smitten breeds, our splendors reveal one's characters to be traitorous to one's analogous fold. Where then does Life end and living begin?

    Who before this day's Age is found worthy of goodly praise? Who after us will find peace set before them? Who in today;s timeline is this "son of man" that many should fear him for his worthiness stance? Who above can see the below? Who that is below can see what be above? From the very smallest crevice to the most high chasms, the Sea of Nothingness is the Holy Spirit. May the elemental Gods find favor in this found son of man that he may not be afflicted with this world's power but rather he should carry upon him the angst from his manhood till his natural death.

    Is there not the Sea of Nothingness or the Holy Spirit from whence came about the elemental beings we see as being the gods? Are not these elementals considered by science to be of a quantum physicality of unknowable to science life enti.ties hence science 'denys' such to be of Life itself? Do we not attend to our habitual longings taking little note of the infinitesimally small things of Life considered as being merely a 'naturalized' event? The Natures of Evolution could not be if it weren't for the 'elementals' these finitely small Gods establishing the chains and boundaries of in-celled commitmence. My body being called a building in the KJVB cannot be reconcilied by profuse abandonments and snubbing of ascertainable scriptured Truths

    Men are no more the Gods nor are any to be said godly but rather they are found being goodly. Societal indulgences do average out mankind's rudimental complacencies leveraged by myopic conditionings. We are bred apart from the natural in many ways creating and establishing bittern opulences taken to fly among and even apart from grounded deafenings of decrepit formularies. Goodly are people for the most part while their portions of wayfaring individualities do sometimes lean towards bestial sarcasms unbecoming a goodly character.

    G.O.D.

    November 13, 2012 at 8:16 pm |
    • Rational Libertarian

      You, sir, are a boob.

      November 13, 2012 at 8:32 pm |
    • BE A SALAHFI TO BE TRUE AMERICAN, DUMP HINDU ATHEISM, WAY OF hINDU, filthy ANIMALS.

      absurdity of Hinduism, ignorant, to learn more, see me and my dog at saladandchips.com, crooks.

      November 13, 2012 at 8:33 pm |
    • BE A SALAHFI TO BE TRUE AMERICAN, DUMP HINDU ATHEISM, WAY OF hINDU, filthy ANIMALS.

      hinduism, absurdity of a hindu ID thief.

      November 13, 2012 at 9:51 pm |
  10. God's Oldest Dreamer

    A scattering is upon us in these trying days and Age. Leave your wantings behind and never take wind of one's longings for the weightiness of one's longings will smite even the most influential. Carry away nothing and leave. Head to the places inside one's being and do not keep ajar your door for many will want to enter in and should not. Your loving this Life is for the world to have and you should not heed the rumors from others as to just what is truly right. It is therefore best for mankind to simmer in their juvenile pottages never rationalizingly 'assaying' one's diffuse detriments, the very smallest of life's grains. As smitten breeds, our splendors reveal one's characters to be traitorous to one's analogous fold. Where then does Life end and living begin?

    Who before this day's Age is found worthy of goodly praise? Who after us will find peace set before them? Who in today;s timeline is this "son of man" that many should fear him for his worthiness stance? Who above can see the below? Who that is below can see what be above? From the very smallest crevice to the most high chasms, the Sea of Nothingness is the Holy Spirit. May the elemental Gods find favor in this found son of man that he may not be afflicted with this world's power but rather he should carry upon him the angst from his manhood till his natural death.

    November 13, 2012 at 8:05 pm |
  11. Belief Blog Bistro

    Goon Ginger Tomato Chutney (This dish can serve with dosa or idli) $7.99. Trolls get 10% off!

    November 13, 2012 at 8:04 pm |
  12. God's Oldest Dreamer

    There are many more believers in a monotheistic deity than RCC types. I guess it boils down or bubbles over as to one's perceivements regarding individualisms of one's sciatica. Details are what seems deleterious toward one another and the begotten seem to be the first roots of denegration although not always is it to be the case. I, for instance am the first root of my parents while my brother did become their secondary root of sensualisms twinkling eyes of a time long ago hardly to be remembered by the parental limbs of spotted growths. We, brother and I, do come and go down Life's highway ever to hardly remember our rooted beings lest we stumble over them in gestating memories brought to our surface. Does any difference meet in the middle? Where does a line end or begin should one draw straight and true? Where does Life end and living truly begin? What danger is truly the stranger? Where can promises be leveraged in their weightiness? Does a thief steal for needs or does a watcher see the thievery and place blames? Who and what thru where and when? Be ye the physician and speak kindly upon the verboten should you spill the watery grascious splendors of willful contriteness for the ungodly and the godless share the road together and will try not to be blasphemous nor blame the otherly forsaking one's lot in Life. The danger is really the stranger. There can be no other way than the roads most traversed in the drudgery and mindlessness being and becoming the treasured. The alluring duality of natured symmetries beguiles and does bewilder the commoner more than the fielded phenom upon aged statutes. Live freely and play kindly while ever being in the knowing of one's singularisms dual nativities. Love therefor a thief who claims and never consider the one who blames.

    G.O.D.
    (Really)
    (I am)
    (There can be another and he is my brother)

    November 13, 2012 at 7:55 pm |
    • God's Oldest Dreamer

      I forgot to paragraph! Please do better the next time go round. K?

      November 13, 2012 at 8:12 pm |
    • BE A SALAHFI TO BE TRUE AMERICAN, DUMP HINDU ATHEISM, WAY OF hINDU, filthy ANIMALS.

      Begotten is not physical but seeded in programmed sense as per Hebrew language, but propagated by hindu's, ignorant s in physical sense by hinduism, corruption of truth called religions.

      November 13, 2012 at 8:41 pm |
  13. God's Oldest Dreamer

    Does any difference meet in the middle? Where does a line end or begin should one draw straight and true? Where does Life end and living truly begin? What danger is truly the stranger? Where can promises be leveraged in their weightiness? Does a thief steal for needs or does a watcher see the thievery and place blames? Who and what thru where and when?

    G.O.D.
    I am
    I always was.
    ever to be,
    ever to become,
    God

    November 13, 2012 at 7:50 pm |
    • BE A SALAHFI TO BE TRUE AMERICAN, DUMP HINDU ATHEISM, WAY OF hINDU, filthy ANIMALS.

      For the time being in soul, desire, but never in world of reality, truth absolute, one under the limit can never be limit less, limit less is none other than truth absolute,deserving to be recognized as the GOD.

      November 13, 2012 at 8:46 pm |
  14. Rundvelt

    The catholic church acts like it's religious freedom is somehow impinged if two gay people get married. Newsflash, it's not. You don't have a right to impose your religion on others, that's the essence of what it is to be American.

    If you want to have your religion be made into law, I suggest heading over to Iran or Iraq. Look at how well they're doing with that sort of system.

    November 13, 2012 at 7:45 pm |
    • TR6

      It's because the catholic church thinks they invented marriage and that they own the definition and trade mark to it. Although they do seem to have done a pretty good job on cornering the market for arrogance

      November 13, 2012 at 11:22 pm |
  15. Rational Libertarian

    Look at his smile. Reminiscing on happy times with altar boys.

    November 13, 2012 at 7:42 pm |
    • Mohammad A Dar

      no that was his last smile before he dropped dead, look closely, someone put a bullet hole in his forehead.

      November 13, 2012 at 7:49 pm |
    • Rational Libertarian

      I'd imagine it's ash, but I'd prefer if your explanation was true.

      November 13, 2012 at 7:56 pm |
  16. BE A SALAHFI TO BE TRUE AMERICAN, DUMP HINDU ATHEISM, WAY OF hINDU, filthy ANIMALS.

    be a salafi goon, and have syphilis, animal sek'x ing ism, like my Taliban father, goon, gave syphilis to my mother, my sisters, me. I am SALAHFI, my mother is SALAHFI, my sisters are SALAHFI.

    November 13, 2012 at 7:26 pm |
    • HeavenSense

      You did not need to tell us you have syphillis. That is rather obvious.

      November 13, 2012 at 7:42 pm |
  17. God's Oldest Dreamer

    Research has focused on the early stages of stretch marks, when they are still red or purple and most readily respond to treatment, Baumann explains. Once stretch marks pass the initial stage, when they are red or purple, to the later stages, where they become white or silver - often with deep indentations - they are much more challenging to treat.

    It is crucial to moisturize. Skin becomes more pliant, more plasticized, and better able to stretch when it's well hydrated. ;)

    G.O.D.
    The "real" one
    No pundancy needed.

    November 13, 2012 at 7:06 pm |
    • BE A SALAHFI TO BE TRUE AMERICAN, DUMP HINDU ATHEISM, WAY OF hINDU, filthy ANIMALS.

      Yo Goon throw some light on syphilis, or salafi ism, very common among church goers, why?

      November 13, 2012 at 7:28 pm |
    • God's Oldest Dreamer

      Be ye the physician and speak kindly upon the verboten should you spill the watery grascious splendors of willful contriteness for the ungodly and the godless share the road together and will try not to be blasphemous nor blame the otherly forsaking one's lot in Life. The danger is really the stranger. There can be no other way than the roads most traversed in the drudgery and mindlessness being and becoming the treasured.

      G.O.D.
      (Really)
      (I am)
      (There can be another and he is my brother)

      November 13, 2012 at 7:33 pm |
    • Akira

      Salami and stretch marks.
      Yay.

      November 13, 2012 at 7:35 pm |
  18. 0G-No gods, ghosts, goblins or ghouls

    It makes me happy to see the RCC hierarchy squabble. Dumb fuck believers!

    November 13, 2012 at 6:39 pm |
    • God's Oldest Dreamer

      There are many more believers in a monotheistic deity than RCC types. I guess it boils down or bubbles over as to one's perceivements regarding individualisms of one's sciatica. Details are what seems deleterious toward one another and the begotten seem to be the first roots of denegration although not always is it to be the case. I, for instance am the first root of my parents while my brother did become their secondary root of sensualisms twinkling eyes of a time long ago hardly to be remembered by the parental limbs of spotted growths. We, brother and I, do come and go down Life's highway ever to hardly remember our rooted beings lest we stumble over them in gestating memories brought to our surface.

      Love Lets
      Lovelettes
      G.O.D. (Really)

      November 13, 2012 at 7:23 pm |
    • God's Oldest Dreamer

      I should also mention that in no small way does such a whimsical stroll down memory lane giveth or taketh away the bitterness and resolute profoundness of my tempered plans for revenge and reconciliation.

      Love Lets
      Lovelettes
      G.O.D. (Really)

      November 13, 2012 at 7:27 pm |
    • God's Oldest Dreamer

      The alluring duality of natured symmetries beguiles and does bewilder the commoner more than the fielded phenom upon aged statutes. Live freely and play kindly while ever being in the knowing of one's singularisms dual nativities. Love therefor a thief who claims and never consider the one who blames.

      November 13, 2012 at 7:41 pm |
    • Rational Libertarian

      Have you ever considered the possibily of there being goblins on other planets? It's possible.

      November 13, 2012 at 7:43 pm |
    • 0G-No gods, ghosts, goblins or ghouls

      RL – Yes.

      November 14, 2012 at 3:11 am |
  19. John 3:16

    Is it just me, or was Hitler truly the bee's knees?

    November 13, 2012 at 6:12 pm |
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      November 13, 2012 at 7:20 pm |
    • Akira

      John 3:16:
      It's just you.

      November 13, 2012 at 7:31 pm |
    • sam stone

      he was the ginchiest

      November 14, 2012 at 12:00 pm |
    • Leif

      It's "just" you and every other evil soul who is rotting in Hell. Hitler can't wait to make you his bee-otch.

      November 18, 2012 at 4:57 am |
  20. BE A SALAHFI TO BE TRUE AMERICAN, DUMP HINDU ATHEISM, WAY OF hINDU, filthy ANIMALS.

    Party in celebration of hindu filthy festival of divali is being held in TEXAS on cow postures to honor hindu filthy three eyed god's Lakshmi of hindu's, ignorant s, a of curtsy ranchers of Texas,
    EVERY hINDU, FILTHY IS INVITED TO FEAST ON THEIR COW MAMAS DUNG AND GET HIGH ON THEIR COW MAMA'S URINE FREE OF CHARGE ALONG WITH hINDU FILTHY CROW'S.Word hindu is based on Latin word hindered, negative, Hun, great, Han, to be in greatness, hin, negative to both of them. hindu, a noun in negativity, hinduism, way of negativity To learn about hinduism, criminality of hindu's, criminals, please visit limitisthetruth.com. hindus, ignorant s,

    November 13, 2012 at 5:36 pm |
    • hindu filthy cow chip ism

      Day of cow chip throwing contest, absurdity celebrated by Oklahomans, ignorants to seek trophy from poop long horn filthy beast, source of rodeo lasso displayed on belt buckle of every cowboy, ignorant female calf ropers of cow chip throwing contest, illegality of opening shoot early To learn cow chip throwing contest, absurdity of oklahomans, goat ropers please visit nationalfinalsrodeo.com filthy cow chip ism

      November 13, 2012 at 5:40 pm |
    • BE A SALAHFI TO BE TRUE AMERICAN, DUMP HINDU ATHEISM, WAY OF hINDU, filthy ANIMALS.

      go ahead, Johnny goon, my mother is a professional, hook'er, number 1, Royal belly dancer of Mecca, bring some bread and vaseline with you, skunk, butfvkin ain't free.

      November 13, 2012 at 7:37 pm |
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