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My Take: 113th Congress looks like old America
November 16th, 2012
12:01 PM ET

My Take: 113th Congress looks like old America

Editor's Note: Stephen Prothero, a Boston University religion scholar and author of "The American Bible: How Our Words Unite, Divide, and Define a Nation," is a regular CNN Belief Blog contributor.

By Stephen Prothero, Special to CNN

(CNN) - The 2012 election has been widely hailed as a diversity moment — a coming out party for an American electorate no longer dominated by white men. And it was a triumph as well for religious diversity, thanks especially to Hawaii, which is sending the first Hindu to the House and the first Buddhist to the Senate.

But is this religious change more symbolic than real? In “Faith on the Hill,” a study on religion in the 113th Congress released Friday by the Pew Forum, the story seems to be static rather than change.

For all the talk of the election of 2012 inaugurating a new era in American politics, Protestants will continue to be overrepresented on Capitol Hill, where they will account for 56% of our representatives versus only 48% of American adults.

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Moreover, the religiously unaffiliated will continue to be scandalously underrepresented in the 113th Congress. Though 20% of American adults are “nones,” there is only one “none” (Arizona Democrat Kyrsten Sinema) in the new congressional delegation.

That said, there are striking differences between Democrats and Republicans in the incoming 113th Congress.

The GOP delegation will be 69% Protestant, while Protestants will account for only 43% of the Democrats. Mormons also lean heavily Republican, with three Democrats versus 12 members of the GOP.

Catholics, by contrast, lean Democratic, accounting for 36% congressional Democrats and 25% of congressional Republicans. Moreover, all the Muslims, Hindus and Buddhists in the incoming Congress are Democrats. And all but one of the 32 Jewish members (Virginia Republican Eric Cantor) are, too.

The bottom line? I see two takeaways.

First, this data provides evidence for the now common wisdom that Republicans represent old-fashioned America while Democrats reflect new demographic realities. In the 113th Congress, Republicans will be disproportionately male and disproportionately Protestant. Democrats, by contrast, have a higher portion of women and minority religions.

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Second, this data shows that the much heralded “new America” is still years away. Yes, the Senate will be 20% female, but women are more than 50% of the population. And the U.S. Congress will still be far more Christian (87%) than U.S. adults as a whole (70%).

At least when it comes to religion, the U.S. Congress doesn't yet look like the voters who are sending them to Washington.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Stephen Prothero.

- CNN Belief Blog contributor

Filed under: 2012 Election • Catholic Church • Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints • Judaism • My Take • Politics • Polls • United States

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  1. Tom Sawyer

    My guess is that plenty of our elected officials are in truth atheist or agnostic but don't have the courage to make that known, knowing that it would likely prevent them from winning or keeping the office they seek. But the fact that a Mormon made it to the presidential race is a good sign that the evangelical types are losing their influence.

    November 16, 2012 at 2:28 pm |
    • Of course

      @Tom Sawyer
      There are always those that are convienant christians, for example, if you are applying for a job at Chik-A-Fil, you would not put in your resume that you were gay/lesbian or an activist atheist, but a holier than thou hetro, god fearing christian. LOL

      November 16, 2012 at 2:46 pm |
  2. Nietodarwin

    Even the author, Mr. Prothero, has learned this year just how many atheists or "nones" there are out there. He claims the internet is what allows we atheists and "nones" to finally express our beliefs, and he is correct. This is because now we can do so, now we can point out that a belief in a "god" is illogical and downright stupid, WITHOUT the fear of being MURDERED by religious people. Members of congress cannot do this, they depend on those xstian and other religious votes.

    November 16, 2012 at 2:26 pm |
    • The Problem

      You fail to reference THE CHAD, who with his endless circular illogical arguements can make grown men weep in frustration and can get mama k to waste her precious time finding intelligent rebuttals to the mindless dribble that comes from the mind of CHAD. As a christian apologist THE CHAD has seemingly endless resources of misinformation and downright bul*sh*it.

      November 16, 2012 at 2:38 pm |
    • Crispycritter

      Right, and those wonderful, loving atheists never hurt anyone? Let's see; Stalinists, Nazis, Planned Parenthood...shall I continue? And nothing is as illogical as something coming from nothing.

      November 17, 2012 at 12:27 am |
    • sincedutch

      says the person who cannot prove or disprove a spiritual world... or where the universe came from for that matter... lucky for anyone who doesn't believe the things you believe (or don't believe for that matter) we aren't subject to your illogical will.

      it is illogical to say .. naturally.. that everything came out of nothing naturally.

      lol.. by definition, matter, time, and space had to come into existence together at the same time, and you believe it happened naturally... which is laughable logically.. since something BEYOND 'nature' had to bring nature about ...

      maybe string theory is your best hope... but even that... just says OTHER universes existed which created this universe.. it doesn't really explain anything.. as a matter of fact it adds MORE universes that you have to BELIEVE somehow NATURALLY popped out of nothing.

      Its more absurd to believe there is no force beyond nature (aka super-natural)... burden of proof is on you to prove how NATURALLY everything came out of nothing.

      So.. you were saying something about illogical beliefs... maybe you should re-examine your own.

      November 17, 2012 at 12:37 am |
    • OTOH

      sincedutch,

      "burden of proof is on you to prove how NATURALLY everything came out of nothing."

      So, you want that today, right?... in a neat package, tied up with a bow? Sorry, it is being investigated, and we might never know for sure. We will not make up fantasies and call them real and stop investigating, however.

      November 17, 2012 at 12:43 am |
  3. Chris

    LOL, a few weeks ago CNN ran an article of how the WASP (White, Anglo-Saxon, Protestant) was dead. Now CNN says they are over represented. So I guess according to the author everything has to be divided up by the percentage a group has in society. If that is the case the Supreme Court needs to be at least 40% protestant, instead there are NO Protestants on it.

    November 16, 2012 at 2:23 pm |
  4. Mike the American

    To change this if you're not affiliated with any religion or an atheist: run for office based on your ideas. Not saying you don't have any but if you do -AND- you can convince others well, then you should get elected and bring those "religious" numbers down. Done. Now, go back to your pathetic and meaningless lives and quit complaining. That is all.

    November 16, 2012 at 2:10 pm |
    • Nietodarwin

      Crazy ideas like evolution? Crazy ideas like astronomy, physics, geology.
      Do you believe in gravity?

      November 16, 2012 at 2:17 pm |
    • Mike thr Dipsh•t

      My name says it all. Done. Now get back to your life that is better than mine. That is all.

      November 16, 2012 at 2:27 pm |
    • RickK

      Mike – My life on Earth has more meaning that yours. Mine is the only life I'll have. Yours is a protracted interview – a hazing ritual to see if you're worthy to enter in to the better of the two afterlife fraternaties. Mine is measured by my impact on the other beings sharing this life with me. Yours is measured by a being you've never met, that nobody has met, that is studiously invisble from any interaction with anything in this life. You were put here as part of a plan you'll never understand living a life that is pre-ordained and arriving at an end that your deity already has mapped for you. NOTHING you do can change that. My life is a treasure. Of all the trilllions of trillions of combinations of DNA that will never have a chance to live, I am one of the lucky ones. I'm the winner of the greatest cosmic lottery there is, free to spend my winnings in any way I wish. You are a pawn in a divinely mapped experiment. I am truly living the only life I'll have, savoring the view from the lucky end of the galactic probability curve. I'm so glad I'm not you.

      November 16, 2012 at 6:21 pm |
    • Leif

      Mike, you are absolutely right. Atheist/agnostic politicians should stand up for their ideals. Those who do not, and I suspect there are quite a few, are cowards. It is time for the supporters of science, the supporters of rational thought, to stand up for their principles. It is time for us to overthrow the archaich belief system of EVERY ancient mythology.

      November 22, 2012 at 5:44 am |
  5. WachetAuf

    "Evangelicals", "Christians", Protestants", "Catholics": You are not "God's children" or "born again". You are not what your puppet masters say you are. Jesus' message began to be co-opted by politicians two thousand years ago for the preservation of the herd, a wholly Darwinian primitive instinct which Jesus decried and acted against. Jesus understood what few of us understand today: that the old order was not working. He offered a new order: a direct relationship with God's law and tolerance among men. He was rejected by the herd which murdered him. He is rejected today by the very people who noisily claim his inheritance. You do not follow Jesus' message of tolerance.

    November 16, 2012 at 2:08 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      "Darwinian primitive instict"? What the hell are you babbling about?

      November 16, 2012 at 2:11 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      A scattering is upon us in these trying days and Age. Leave your wantings behind and never take wind of one's longings for the weightiness of one's longings will smite even the most influential. Carry away nothing and leave. Head to the places inside one's being and do not keep ajar your door for many will want to enter in and should not. Your loving this Life is for the world to have needs of and you should not heed the rumors from others as to just what is truly right. It is therefore best for mankind to simmer in their yet unfinished juvenile pottages never rationalizingly 'assaying' one's diffuse detriments, the very smallest of life's grains. As smitten breeds, our splendors reveal one's characters to be traitorous to one's analogous fold. Where then does True Life end and Real Living begin?

      Lovelettes,
      Love Let's
      G.O.D.
      (God's Oldest Dreamer)

      November 16, 2012 at 2:13 pm |
    • Attack of the 50 Foot Magical Underwear

      @ Lionlylamb: Nut, nut, nut – you're a nut, nut, nut!

      November 16, 2012 at 2:16 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @The troll formerly known as Dreamer

      Save your pseudo-intellectual crap for someone stupid enough to buy it.

      November 16, 2012 at 2:17 pm |
    • DeeCee1000

      Linolylumb, if you can't come up with new material, could you please go post somewhere else? No one here wants to read the same post over and over again. Thank you.

      November 16, 2012 at 2:18 pm |
    • Chris

      Tolerance like; Abortion for any reason, divorce for any reason, fornication for any reason, adultery for any reason, gay marriage for any reason...yes I see where you are going.

      November 16, 2012 at 2:26 pm |
    • WachetAuf

      To Chris: I cannot evaluate your statement fully. But, you seem not to actually see where I am going with my message. First, it is not my message which is important. I suggest that you study Jesus' message of tolerance. In my view, Jesus did not declare the old law was dead. If you wish to continue to live under the old law, you may do that. It is your choice. An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth and punishment by stoning (like the Taliban). Jesus merely gave us a new remedy to correct old sins. There are many remedies available to promote the kinds of values which you desire to promote. We need not put people in jail for their sins. There are other ways to eliminate those sins which you seem to believe are so evil. Get it?

      November 16, 2012 at 2:37 pm |
    • Vic

      "Children of God"
      Romans 8:15-17
      "15 For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading to fear again, but you have received a spirit of adoption as sons by which we cry out, “Abba! Father!” 16 The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God, 17 and if children, heirs also, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him so that we may also be glorified with Him."

      Therefore, NO ONE can deny a Christian Believer being a "Child of God!"

      "The Law of the Old Testament"

      Romans 8:1,2
      "8 Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death."

      Romans 10:4
      "4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes."

      Ephesians 2:8,9
      "8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast."

      All Scripture from New American Standard Bible (NASB)

      November 16, 2012 at 3:12 pm |
  6. Nietodarwin

    We need to start making it illegal for children to attend church, just as it's illegal for them to go to a bar. We need to save our children from being threatened with these nut job ideas of a "god" and "hell" and "damnation." We need to make sunday school illegal. These parents can still have religious freedom to brainwash their kids at home, but the kids need the truth too.
    Forcing a child into a RELIGION IS CHILD ABUSE

    November 16, 2012 at 2:07 pm |
    • Reader

      What is wrong with you?

      November 16, 2012 at 2:24 pm |
    • Marlin

      So typically, atheists demand separation of church and state. But here is one openly wishes the state and church to be involved with one another. Intreasting.

      November 16, 2012 at 2:25 pm |
    • tl;dr

      I love how atheist complain about how people of religion force it down there throats. but every atheist that i know forces there "non belief" down mine. if a parent wants to teach there religion to their children let them do it, it is up to the child when they become an adult to choose which path they wish to follow. Atheist always yell and moan about people who believe in god, atheist are just as bad as people who beleive in religion.

      How about you stop judging people who beleive in something because beleive it or not your beleive that there is no go so in turn you have a religion with no god......SO STOP PREACHING TO ME ABOUT YOUR RELIGION!!!!

      November 16, 2012 at 2:27 pm |
    • Chris

      Yes, that was already done in the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe and Cambodia and North Korea. Look how well those societies developed. Atheism in power showed how immoral, corrupt and murderous it is.

      November 16, 2012 at 2:30 pm |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      tl;dr: What the hell are you talking about? Teach your children what you wish but do not demand it be taught in the public school system. Our non-belief is based on the fact that there simply is no evidence to support the buybull...our non-belief is based largely on facts and evidence supported by peer-reviewed studies...your belief isn't backed by anything other than one book and that book has been debunked numerous times over.

      btw: you prove that some christards are uneducated (note I said some)...I see spelling at a grade 1 level doesn't seem to bother you!!

      November 16, 2012 at 2:36 pm |
    • Reader

      I love how it always comes out that some atheists (note I said some) believe that some people (note I said some, again) who have religious beliefs are uneducated.

      November 16, 2012 at 2:41 pm |
    • CKKansas

      @tl;dr
      Of course it is a massive overreach to say that taking children to church should be illegal. However, it is just as disingenuous to say that if you take a child to church every week, and put them in sunday school and send them to church camp throughout their entire childhood that this won't profoundly influence the decision they make as an adult as to what to believe. The truth is that ALL parents influence their children based on their own beliefs. Atheists don't take their kids to church, and teach them that there is no god and thus influence them not to believe in God. Christians take their children to church and teach them that God exists and thus their children are influenced to believe in God. The trouble is when both sides vilify and attempt to control the other. It is just as wrong to prevent Christian parents from taking their children to church as it is to force Atheist parents to take their kids to church.

      Disclaimer: I generalized about what Christians and Atheists teach their children, there are almost infinite shades of gray between the extremes. Also, I deliberately used influence even though I realize that some kids that are never exposed to religion become very religous as adults, and some kids who are buried neck deep in religion as children reject it as adults.

      November 16, 2012 at 2:45 pm |
    • ME II

      @Reader,
      "I love how it always comes out that some atheists (note I said some) believe that some people (note I said some, again) who have religious beliefs are uneducated."
      I'm confused. "Some people ... who have religious beliefs" actual are uneducated, aren't they? Just like some non-believers are uneducated.

      November 16, 2012 at 3:04 pm |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      Reader: Did you happen to read Tl:dr's comment? It doesn't exactly show an educated person...does it?? My 3 year old nephew has better grammar and spelling skills.

      November 16, 2012 at 3:16 pm |
    • Reader

      My point is that it became personal for no reason. And yes, the statement as written was true.

      November 16, 2012 at 3:28 pm |
    • Nietodarwin is dumb

      You're funny. I'm putting the over/under at 6.5 tattoos and 4.5 piercings. I'm guessing northeast. Mid 20's to mid 30's. People like you trying to meddle in other peoples lives is what's wrong with America. I'll leave you alone and you leave me alone.

      November 17, 2012 at 12:34 am |
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    November 16, 2012 at 2:06 pm |
  8. Vic

    "Of the People, by the People, for the People"

    Truly, the Kingdom of God is in the hearts of the believers and no need to wear it on their sleeves! Faith is what really matters! As long as the "People" are believers (Faith,) the USA will remain a Christian Nation!

    November 16, 2012 at 2:01 pm |
    • William Demuth

      Don't look, but I think your neighbor is a camel jockey!

      Soon you shall serve only the Mormons, and their Muslim lackeys

      Quick, Jump thru the window into the General Lee and escape Hazard County or you will be absorbed!

      November 16, 2012 at 2:04 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      William Demuth,

      You seem to be winning the war of the peasants, for the peasants and by the peasants! Good ol fuddy duddies are all my buddies! :-)

      November 16, 2012 at 2:09 pm |
    • William Demuth

      Yes lamb, but alas I lack your eloquence!

      November 16, 2012 at 2:15 pm |
    • Vic

      John 14

      Jesus Comforts His Disciples

      14 “Do not let your heart be troubled; believe in God, believe also in Me. 2 In My Father’s house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you. 3 If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also. 4 And you know the way where I am going.” 5 Thomas *said to Him, “Lord, we do not know where You are going, how do we know the way?” 6 Jesus *said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.

      New American Standard Bible (NASB)

      November 16, 2012 at 2:15 pm |
  9. Apple Bush

    lionlylamb, you seem a little salty today. Is your blood suger low?

    November 16, 2012 at 2:01 pm |
  10. Mike

    56% protestant in congress vs 48% in the U.S.? Let's make a big deal out of nothing.......not a great difference. Is this columnist looking for a religioius quota? Clearly he's making a mountain out of a mole-hill. Prothero, you need to get a life and concern yourself with issues more important than this one.
    I suspect there are more "nones" in congress than indicated, except our representatives know that it's not politically correct to be a "none", so they allege some religious affiliation, even though they may not really believe it.

    November 16, 2012 at 1:56 pm |
    • bb

      CNN has commentators masquerading as religious scholars trying to say something completely backwards from what they would normally say. It is a sham which is no surprise considering the source of the article.

      November 16, 2012 at 2:04 pm |
    • William Demuth

      Ya wanna get really freaked, figure the numbers on the Jews.

      TINY little fraction of us, but they got a MAJOR lock on power.

      Somethings never change.

      November 16, 2012 at 2:06 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      This article exists merely because the Pew Forum released an analysis.

      It is inked in the article, but here it is again:
      http://www.pewforum.org/Government/Faith-on-the-Hill–The-Religious-Composition-of-the-113th-Congress.aspx

      The most interesting observation is the difference between the 20% of "nones" in the US and only one person in Congress (0.2%) declaring no affiliation (as opposed to refused). Unsurprisingly in our current climate, Congressmen/women don't want to be considered irreligious.

      What is also interesting is that Mormons (2% of the US) include 7 senators (though only 2.8% of the whole Congress). Jews (also 2% of the US) represent 3% of Congress. These groups are much more represented in Congress than in the general population.

      I liked Stephen Prothero's breakdown. Republicans are dominated by while male Protestants. Democrats are a bit of everything.

      Catholic Congressmen/women break Dem/Rep 31.2% / 27.0% which is a slightly more Democratic slant than the "Catholic vote" at 50% / 48%. I don't see this as particularly significant.

      November 16, 2012 at 2:39 pm |
    • Jeremy

      Not to mention if you look at the number of christians who vote vs the number of non-christians or "other" for you politically correct people, i'm sure you'll see that christians are probably under-represented as well. If you don't exercise your right to vote. You really have no business to complain. I'm just saying, logic typically prevails with your kind.

      November 16, 2012 at 2:40 pm |
    • Scholar

      The proper reply to a question of religion is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS – so that is a NONE

      November 16, 2012 at 3:01 pm |
  11. Gene

    I'll bet there are a few more closet "none's" in power – however it is not yet politically correct to say you are a none.

    November 16, 2012 at 1:55 pm |
    • William Demuth

      Yup, Obama being one of them

      He believes for show, as do so many!

      November 16, 2012 at 1:56 pm |
  12. palintwit

    Alaska? Everytime I think about Alaska I think about Sarah Palin. Everytime I think about Sarah Palin I think about trailer trash. Everytime I think about trailer trash I think about teabaggers. Everytime I think about teabaggers I think about nascar. Everytime I think about nascar I think about assault weapons. Every time I think about assault weapons I think about Sarah Palin. Everytime I think about Sarah Palin I think about trailer trash. Everytime I think about trailer trash I think about teabaggers. Everytime I think about...

    November 16, 2012 at 1:52 pm |
    • William Demuth

      Everytime I think about Sarah, I think about balll gags and riding crops.

      November 16, 2012 at 1:55 pm |
    • The Truth

      Speaking of ball gags, i'll bet Sarah's choked on a Todd or two...

      November 16, 2012 at 1:57 pm |
  13. William Demuth

    I wonder if the Mormons finally come into power if they are going to do to the Christians what the Christians did to the Jews?

    Nice BYU graduates running Gas Chambers for the Evangelicals?

    I guess what comes around goes around!!

    November 16, 2012 at 1:51 pm |
    • Mike

      Yeah, let's blame an entire crossection of the world population for something an incredibly small minority actively participated in, and something an incredibly large majority actually participated against! Good thing you're not prejudiced or anything...

      November 16, 2012 at 2:38 pm |
    • sam

      @Mike it's not like millions were killed or anything....

      November 16, 2012 at 2:53 pm |
  14. Timodeus

    The Supreme Court is too Catholic but who cares right? CNN has to get their WASP beating quota in for the day. Nothing like the diversity Gestapo to save the day.

    November 16, 2012 at 1:51 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      Timodeus,
      Giving orders now are we? Who will take such mindless dribble of your orderly sublimations? Surely Congressionalists get better orders from,,,, Uuuhhh, "F" if I know!

      November 16, 2012 at 2:02 pm |
    • The Truth

      I have seen several comments regarding the supreme court not being diverse, as if this balances things out or some other nonsense. If you didn't know it already, the supreme court members ARE NOT ELECTED BY THE GENERAL PUBLIC!! They are partisan picks by Presidents who happen to be in office when another member leaves their lifetime appointment by retiring or dying. That means whoever is in the office at that time get's the choice and they try to pick people that can be confirmed fairly easlity without a lot of baggage. The fact is that eveangelicals and protestants HAVE A LOT OF BAGGAGE and have been more difficult to get confirmed.

      Now those who are elected by the general public should reflect the electorates makeup far more than a partisan pick would, so you are talkign apples and orangutans here.

      November 16, 2012 at 2:04 pm |
  15. M.E.

    They can be goat-sacrificing satanists for all I care, so long as they check their beliefs at the door and don't try to turn them into laws that must apply to all people regardless of faith or lack thereof.

    November 16, 2012 at 1:51 pm |
    • Akira

      Exactly!

      November 16, 2012 at 1:58 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      Latino your not! For many Latinos bleed a goat on occasions, and you might not be a Pagan which lends me to believe you are a redneck. Yes?

      November 16, 2012 at 1:59 pm |
    • M.E.

      @lionlylamb Say what?! Get the clinic to up your meds dude, it'll make the paranoia go away.

      November 16, 2012 at 2:45 pm |
  16. Topher

    Apple? Dude, you here?

    November 16, 2012 at 1:49 pm |
    • Apple Bush

      Yup, I am here T. And I did not call you a name. Do you have a rebuttal to my last post?

      November 16, 2012 at 1:59 pm |
    • Topher

      About how other religions have some similarities to Christianity? Sure. I've been researching Mithra for you. Seems that what the followers of this religion believed in the beginning was not the same in the end. In fact, it looks as though the reasons there are similarities with Christianity is because Mithra was borrowing from Christ.

      "Allegations of an early Christian dependence on Mithraism have been rejected on many grounds. Mithraism had no concept of the death and resurrection of its god and no place for any concept of rebirth - at least during its early stages...During the early stages of the cult, the notion of rebirth would have been foreign to its basic outlook...Moreover, Mithraism was basically a military cult. Therefore, one must be skeptical about suggestions that it appealed to nonmilitary people like the early Christians." (from Christianity and the Helenistic World.)

      also ...

      "While there are several sources that suggest that Mithraism included a notion of rebirth, they are all post-Christian. The earliest...dates from the end of the second century A.D." (from The Best of Josh McDowell.)

      November 16, 2012 at 2:04 pm |
    • Apple Bush

      What about Free Will and Lambs?

      Anyway, here are some more examples for you:

      Horus:
      Born of a virgin, Isis. Only begotten son of the God Osiris. Birth heralded by the star Sirius, the morning star. Ancient Egyptians paraded a manger and child representing Horus through the streets at the time of the winter solstice (about DEC-21). In reality, he had no birth date; he was not a human. Death threat during infancy: Herut tried to have Horus murdered. Handling the threat: The God That tells Horus’ mother “Come, thou goddess Isis, hide thyself with thy child.” An angel tells Jesus’ father to: “Arise and take the young child and his mother and flee into Egypt.” Break in life history: No data between ages of 12 & 30. Age at baptism: 30. Subsequent fate of the baptiser: Beheaded. Walked on water, cast out demons, healed the sick, restored sight to the blind. Was crucified, descended into Hell; resurrected after three days.

      Attis of Phrygia:
      Attis was born on December 25 of the Virgin Nana. He was considered the savior who was slain for the salvation of mankind. His body as bread was eaten by his worshippers. He was both the Divine Son and the Father. On “Black Friday,” he was crucified on a tree, from which his holy blood ran down to redeem the earth. He descended into the underworld. After three days, Attis was resurrected.

      Zoroaster/Zarathustra
      Zoroaster was born of a virgin and “immaculate conception by a ray of divine reason.” He was baptized in a river. In his youth he astounded wise men with his wisdom. He was tempted in the wilderness by the devil. He began his ministry at age 30. Zoroaster baptized with water, fire and “holy wind.” He cast out demons and restored the sight to a blind man. He taught about heaven and hell, and revealed mysteries, including resurrection, judgment, salvation and the apocalypse. He had a sacred cup or grail. He was slain. His religion had a eucharist. He was the “Word made flesh.” Zoroaster’s followers expected a “second coming” in the virgin-born Saoshynt or Savior, who is to come in 2341 AD and begin his ministry at age 30, ushering in a golden age.

      Glycon
      In the middle of the 100s AD, out along the south coast of the Black Sea, Glycon was the son of the God Apollo, who: came to Earth through a miraculous birth, was the Earthly manifestation of divinity, came to earth in fulfillment of divine prophecy, gave his chief believer the power of prophecy, gave believers the power to speak in tongues, performed miracles, healed the sick, and raised the dead.

      Heracles
      Heracles is the Son of a god (Zeus). It is recorded that Zeus is both the father and great-great- great grandfather of Heracles, just as Jesus is essentially his own grandpa, being both “The root and offspring of David” (Revelation 22:16) as he is part of the triune God which is the father of Adam and eventually of Jesus. Both are doubly related to the Supreme God.

      Diodorus writes that, “For as regards the magnitude of the deeds which he accomplished it is generally agreed that Heracles has been handed down as one who surpassed all men of whom memory from the beginning of time has brought down an account; consequently it is a difficult attainment to report each one of his deeds in a worthy manner and to present a record which shall be on a level with labours so great, the magnitude of which won for him the prize of immortality.”

      Jesus is also said to have done a very large number of good works. John 21:25 says that: “Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.”

      Hera tries to kill Heracles as an infant by sending two serpents after him, yet Heracles survives by strangling them. This parallels Herod’s slaughter of the innocents in an attempt to kill Jesus (Matthew 2:13-16).
      Heracles makes a descent into Hades and returns from it with Theseus and Peirithoüs, just as Jesus descends into the “lower parts of the earth” or Hades (Ephesians 4:7-8); Though Jesus does not bring anyone up from it. Heracles’ body is not found and he is assumed to have been taken by the gods: “After this, when the companions of Iolaüs came to gather up the bones of Heracles and found not a single bone anywhere, they assumed that, in accordance with the words of the oracle, he had passed from among men into the company of the gods.”

      Romulus
      Romulus is born of a vestal virgin, which was a priestess of the hearth god Vesta sworn to celibacy. His mother claims that the divine impregnated her, yet this is not believed by the King. Romulus and his twin brother, Remus, are tossed in the river and left for dead. (A “slaughter of the innocents” tale which parallels that of Matthew 2:13-16). Romulus is hailed as the son of god. He is “snatched away to heaven” by a whirlwind (It is assumed that the gods took him), and he makes post mortem appearances. In his work Numa Pompilius, Plutarch records that there was a darkness covering the earth before his death (Just as there was during Jesus’ death according to Mark 15:33). He also states that Romulus is to be known afterwards as ‘Quirinus’; A god which belonged to the Archiac Triad (a “triple deity” similar to the concept of the Trinity).

      Odysseus
      Homeric tales about Odysseus emphasize his suffering life; just as in Mark Jesus said that he, too, would suffer greatly. Odysseus is a carpenter like Jesus, and he wants to return his home just as Jesus wants to be welcomed in his native home and later to God’s home in Jerusalem. Odysseus is plagued with unfaithful and dim-witted companions who display tragic flaws. They stupidly open a magic bag of wind while Odysseus sleeps and release terrible tempests which prevent their return home. These sailors are comparable to Jesus’ disciples, who disbelieve Jesus, ask foolish questions, and show general ignorance about everything. It’s amazing that either Odysseus or Jesus ever manage to accomplish anything, given the companions they have, but this simply demonstrates the power and ability of the one true leader who has a divine mandate to lead the people out of darkness and into a brighter future.

      Krishna
      According to Bhagavata Purana some believe that Krishna was born without a sexual union, by “mental transmission” from the mind of Vasudeva into the womb of Devaki, his mother. Christ and Krishna were called both God and the Son of God. Both were sent from heaven to earth in the form of a man. Both were called Savior, and the second person of the Trinity. Krishna’s adoptive human father was also a carpenter. A spirit or ghost was their actual father. Krishna and Jesus were of royal descent. Both were visited at birth by wise men and shepherds, guided by a star. Angels in both cases issued a warning that the local dictator planned to kill the baby and had issued a decree for his assassination. The parents fled. Mary and Joseph stayed in Muturea; Krishna’s parents stayed in Mathura. Both Christ and Krishna withdrew to the wilderness as adults, and fasted. Both were identified as “the seed of the woman bruising the serpent’s head.” Jesus was called “the lion of the tribe of Judah.” Krishna was called “the lion of the tribe of Saki.” Both claimed: “I am the Resurrection.” Both were “without sin.” Both were god-men: being considered both human and divine. Both performed many miracles, including the healing of disease. One of the first miracles that both performed was to make a leper whole. Each cured “all manner of diseases.” Both cast out indwelling demons, and raised the dead. Both selected disciples to spread his teachings. Both were meek, and merciful. Both were criticized for associating with sinners. Both celebrated a last supper. Both forgave his enemies. Both were crucified and both were resurrected.

      Buddha
      Both went to their temples at the age of twelve, where they are said to have astonished all with their wisdom. Both supposedly fasted in solitude for a long time: Buddha for forty–seven days and Jesus for forty. Both wandered to a fig tree at the conclusion of their fasts. Both were about the same age when they began their public ministry:
      “When he [Buddha] went again to the garden he saw a monk who was calm, tranquil, self–possessed, serene, and dignified. The prince, determined to become such a monk, was led to make the great renunciation. At the time he was twenty–nine years of age… “Jesus, when he began his ministry, was about thirty years of age.” (Luke 3:23). Both were tempted by the “devil” at the beginning of their ministry: To Buddha, he said: “Go not forth to adopt a religious life but return to your kingdom, and in seven days you shall become emperor of the world, riding over the four continents.” To Jesus, he said: “All these [kingdoms of the world] I will give you, if you fall down and worship me” (Matthew 4:9). Buddha answered the “devil”: “Get you away from me.”

      Jesus responded: “…be gone, Satan!” (Matthew 4:10). Both strove to establish a kingdom of heaven on earth. According to the Somadeva (a Buddhist holy book), a Buddhist ascetic’s eye once offended him, so he plucked it out and cast it away. Jesus said: “If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out, and throw it away;” (Matthew 5:29).

      We have already discussed Mithra and Dionysus.

      November 16, 2012 at 2:26 pm |
    • Topher

      I think I've already shown the whole Christianity stealing from other religions is just silliness. If there were similarities it's either just a coincidence or have been proven to have stolen from Christianity, not the other way around.

      Let's move on to something else.

      November 16, 2012 at 2:34 pm |
    • Apple Bush

      There you again Topher. You refuse to face reality. So far I have won every argument in a complete landslide.

      Fine, next question. Why does god allow children to suffer and die? Follow question, if god is perfect, why did create disease, both physical and mental? Are these things good in the eyes of the Lord?

      November 16, 2012 at 2:40 pm |
    • sam

      Apple, that's apparently Topher's signature 'I've been owned but can't admit it' statement.

      November 16, 2012 at 2:48 pm |
    • Topher

      Apple Bush

      "So far I have won every argument in a complete landslide."

      Your original argument was that you can't believe Christianity because it stole from Mithra. I've proven that Mithra stole from Christianity. How did you win that argument?

      "Why does god allow children to suffer and die?"

      Yes, this is truly a sad discussion. But the fact is children, like the rest of us, are sinners. The insinuation is that children are good, when in fact they are not. Have you ever been to the playground at McDonald's? Every one of us deserves punishment and ALL will die, whether children or adults. Death entered the world with sin. God created us without sin and without death. They are our faults. But you must also realize there's an age of accountability, so even if a child does die, he or she will go to Heaven.

      "Follow question, if god is perfect, why did create disease, both physical and mental? Are these things good in the eyes of the Lord?"

      Good question. To the best of my knowledge, God did not create disease. It would have come about as a result of the curse, along with death, when Adam sinned. No, they are not good, but God can use them for good.

      November 16, 2012 at 2:49 pm |
    • Apple Bush

      Topher

      "I've proven that Mithra stole from Christianity. How did you win that argument?"

      I win that argument easily because you argue only one of many obvious similarities between Mithra and Jesus. What about the rest? Additionally, I gave you 9 more examples just like the Mithra example and you have argued none of them.

      "the fact is children, like the rest of us, are sinners"

      Ok, how are people born with sin? They are sinners in the womb?

      God created everything, except the bad things you don't like?

      How did the apple get poisened?

      Do snakes really talk?

      How was there light on Earth before God made the sun and stars?

      Why does god hat lambs?

      Can God be pleased, and if so, why does god need to be pleased? If he is unhappy will he be mean to us?

      If god is a loving god, why is he mean to us?

      If god knows you are going to pick an eternity apart from him, why does he care what you do?

      I will let you get started on those.

      November 16, 2012 at 3:01 pm |
    • Topher

      Apple Bush

      "I win that argument easily because you argue only one of many obvious similarities between Mithra and Jesus. What about the rest? Additionally, I gave you 9 more examples just like the Mithra example and you have argued none of them."

      If I know one part of it is false, why should I trust the rest of it? And do you really expect me to go look up and study 9 more religions this afternoon? No offense, dude, but you're grasping at straws here.

      "Ok, how are people born with sin? They are sinners in the womb?"

      They might not have committed a sin yet, but they are sinners, yes. That is their nature.

      "God created everything, except the bad things you don't like?"

      Phrase it that way if you want, but He did not create anything that is bad. That would be against His nature. And of course I don't like bad things. Do you?

      "How did the apple get poisened?"

      It wasn't likely an apple and it wasn't poisoned.

      "Do snakes really talk?"

      No. But there was a serpent that did.

      How was there light on Earth before God made the sun and stars?

      Why does god hat lambs?

      Can God be pleased, and if so, why does god need to be pleased? If he is unhappy will he be mean to us?

      If god is a loving god, why is he mean to us?

      If god knows you are going to pick an eternity apart from him, why does he care what you do?

      I will let you get started on those.

      November 16, 2012 at 3:14 pm |
    • Primewonk

      Topher wrote, "But the fact is children, like the rest of us, are sinners. The insinuation is that children are good, when in fact they are not. Have you ever been to the playground at McDonald's? Every one of us deserves punishment and ALL will die"

      And this is why the fundiot nutter mindset is every bit as fucking dangerous as the Muslim nutters.

      November 16, 2012 at 3:22 pm |
    • Topher

      Whoops! Sorry. I missed these.

      "How was there light on Earth before God made the sun and stars?"

      Same way there will be light after Christ returns. God IS the light.

      "Why does god hat lambs?"

      Already answered this one. He doesn't.

      "Can God be pleased, and if so, why does god need to be pleased? If he is unhappy will he be mean to us?"

      It pleases Him when we repent and trust in Him. So yes. But then again, we can't live up to His standards. That's why we need a Savior. In fact, the Bible says our best works are like filthy menstrual rags to Him because of who He is. If He is unhappy with you He might smush you and you'd deserve it. I don't think that's mean. But if you're opposing Him and you're still alive, I'd say that's Him giving you some grace. In fact, that one of the terms ... the Age of Grace. That means even though you deserve to be smushed, He's giving you grace by continuing to live so that in time you might repent. Yet one more kindness shown by our great God.

      "If god is a loving god, why is he mean to us?"

      I think I just answered that.

      "If god knows you are going to pick an eternity apart from him, why does he care what you do?"

      Why shouldn't He? He deserves my devotion ... and yours. If you are sinning, you are committing that sin against Him. For instance, if you lie to your wife, you might insult your wife ... but you are also insulting God because He said not to lie. You are essentially shaking your fist at Him. And let's face it, if you are out there saying there is no God and swaying people in that direction, you are causing another to sin and break God's rules. So not only are you harming yourself, you're harming another. Of course He cares what you are doing.

      November 16, 2012 at 3:24 pm |
    • Apple Bush

      Topher

      I can see why it is so easy for you to believe fantasy over reality.

      “If I know one part of it is false, why should I trust the rest of it? And do you really expect me to go look up and study 9 more religions this afternoon? No offense, dude, but you're grasping at straws here.”

      So you are not interested in facts. If one part is false, then the rest is false. That is a fallacy, unscientific and will lead to false conclusions.

      I don’t care when you look up the other nine, but if you are concerned about the truthful nature of the Jesus myth, you will.
      Grasping at straws = filling in blanks without evidence to support your position. You are grasping at straws, not I. I am posing valid questions to you.

      There are many things in the bible that are obviously un-true. Using your logic, if one thing is shown to be un-true, then the whole bible is untrue. Therefore, you do not believe in the bible.

      If it is one’s nature to commit sin, then it is also possible that they will not. Having something in your nature is not the same as doing that thing. Remember, you told me people have free will? Jesus demonstrated as much. You can’t have it both ways.

      I accept bad things as part of life. But if I believed in god, I would necessarily believe he created all things like the bible says. You can’t have it both ways.

      Oh yeah, that was Snow White. My bad. I get the fairy tales mixed up sometimes.
      Snake = Serpent. Serpents don’t talk. Therefore it didn’t happen. Fact.

      You did not answer my other five. I have tons more when you are done with these.

      November 16, 2012 at 3:36 pm |
    • Apple Bush

      “God is the light”

      If God is the light, why did create the stars?

      If God doesn’t hate lambs, why did he make people murder them?

      If God doesn’t want us to sin, we did he create sin?

      Why should we trust god when there is so much evil in the world that he created?

      If he wants us to live up to his standards, why did he make that impossible? Is because he needs the attention? Why would god need attention from us? Isn’t he God?

      Is God happy with me even though I am certain he doesn’t exist and if he did he is a douche bag? He has not smushed me yet.

      Why does god smush people who praise and glorify him?

      Why would god give me grace and not somebody else?

      How is god great? Are you comparing him to us? That seems obvious. Are there gods that are not great, so that he needs to be reminded by us they he is great?

      You don’t understand the last one, God already knows that I will not believe in him and I will remain separate from him for all eternity. Therefore, why would he feel the need to bring me into his kingdom, when he already knows I am not going? He can’t prevent anything because he already knows what is going to happen.

      November 16, 2012 at 3:47 pm |
    • Topher

      "There are many things in the bible that are obviously un-true. Using your logic, if one thing is shown to be un-true, then the whole bible is untrue. Therefore, you do not believe in the bible."

      What is untrue? Not one single thing in the Bible was been proven to be false. Not one. However, if you could prove something untrue, you could throw it all out because you couldn't trust it. And I do believe the Bible. Every word of it.

      "If it is one’s nature to commit sin, then it is also possible that they will not. Having something in your nature is not the same as doing that thing. Remember, you told me people have free will? Jesus demonstrated as much. You can’t have it both ways. "

      Jesus was God. Different situation. So can you name me one other person who did not commit sin? What about you? Have you sinned?

      I've got to get ready for work soon, so just in case this is the end of our conversation, I just want to say thanks for the conversation and have a good rest of your Friday. God Bless.

      November 16, 2012 at 3:47 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Topher

      The global flood never happened. No geological record at all.

      November 16, 2012 at 3:48 pm |
    • Topher

      Hawaii

      "The global flood never happened. No geological record at all."

      Actually, what we see in the geological record is very supportive of the flood. It is exactly what we'd expect to see if a worldwide flood occurred... a very large number of fossils in one layer, many in poses of obvious sudden death (for instance a fish fossil halfway through eating another.)

      November 16, 2012 at 3:54 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Topher

      And your sources for this are...?

      November 16, 2012 at 3:56 pm |
    • Apple Bush

      See ya T. Have a good day.

      November 16, 2012 at 3:58 pm |
    • Primewonk

      Topher wrote, " Not one single thing in the Bible was been proven to be false. Not one. However, if you could prove something untrue, you could throw it all out because you couldn't trust it. And I do believe the Bible. Every word of it."

      Again, for the eleventy bajillionth time – the earth was not created "in the beginning". The earth formed 9,000,000,000 after the universe began expanding. "Light" was not created in the beginning. It took 300,000 years of expansion and colling in the early universe before there was visible light. There was no global flood.

      There's 3 things right there Topher.

      November 16, 2012 at 4:06 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Topher

      Go to
      http://wiki.ironchariots.org/index.php?title=Flood
      For a general rundown of some problems with your global flood assertion.

      November 16, 2012 at 4:07 pm |
    • Primewonk

      Topher wrote, "Actually, what we see in the geological record is very supportive of the flood. It is exactly what we'd expect to see if a worldwide flood occurred... a very large number of fossils in one layer"

      You have made this exact same claim numerous times before. And numerous times before I have asked you to provide the citations to the peer-reviewed scientific research that supports what you wrote. Each and every time you have refused to do this. Why?

      November 16, 2012 at 4:16 pm |
    • fred

      Primewonk

      “Again, for the eleventy bajillionth time – the earth was not created "in the beginning".”
      =>In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. That is what happened in the beginning. The Hebrew meaning was all the physical matter and energy that are part of the visible world. Materialists generally are fixated on that which is visible. You cannot say there is anything wrong with that statement.

      “The earth formed 9,000,000,000 after the universe began expanding.”
      =>science changes this number every so often so I will just assume it is what the majority accept today. The Bible does not give a date so you cannot say or imply it is wrong. The next verse in Genesis describes the Spirit of God hovering over the dark formless deep of the earth. Again, that could be a stage in the process of the earths’ formation but it is not important or intended for a scientific explanation. The importance is the condition of the earth before God brought began creating or recreating the “nest’ for mans spiritual growth. I say creating or recreating as there are two takes on the why this “earth” is dark and formless.

      “"Light" was not created in the beginning. It took 300,000 years of expansion and colling in the early universe before there was visible light.”
      =>once again no big deal and does not contradict the truth of the Bible. The Bible does not say light was created at the beginning. God said let there be light after the creation of physical matter and energy and after the Spirit hovered over the deep.

      “ There was no global flood”
      =>actually, there is evidence from Spirit Lake after Mt. St Helens that suggests it is very possible. Evidence to rule out a global flood is based on assumptions much the same as manmade global warming was based on assumptions and suddenly we see ooopppps no temperature change in 16 years. Ouch. Look back in the 70’s and the scientific models all predicted the coming ice age where man would be forced to live along the Mexican border.
      Here again the flood story is not about science rather the foundation of belief and why you cannot see God. It does not matter if Job is real or not or if the flood was simply the only way men then and now could grasp the truth of the purpose of our existence. You still don’t get it the flood story is real and true yet you want to argue about the interaction of physical matter and energy over time. This is not about physics and geology since you will never see what is outside the known visible world if you limit your understanding and study to a materialistic agenda.

      November 16, 2012 at 4:37 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @fred

      Well it looks like your time off had absolutely no effect on the inanity of your "arguments". You seem to have absolutely nothing new to say, so why bother saying anything? You will merely do the same bullshit you always do of:
      1) Make wild assertions that you will never back up or provide verifiable evidence for.
      2) Go on irrelevant tangents
      3) Disappear from the conversation you were flailing in and then come back with the same stupid posts the next day.

      Why don't you save everyone the trouble and the brain cells and just leave.

      November 16, 2012 at 4:42 pm |
    • fred

      hawaiiguest
      My purpose is simply to keep the truth out there that explains the purpose of mans existence. Your purpose with the same old nonsense that is locked in a materialistic construct is to blind as many people as possible so they too can only see the world begins and ends in darkness. You carryon just as the flood story shows and as Jesus pointed out to the Sanhedrin that were blinded.
      What do you not understand? Your efforts on this board is to take away the light from believers. You efforts on this board is to remove the hope and promise that fills the hearts of believers. Contrast that with what you want to offer in exchange…………………emptiness or an unknown purpose for existence and unknown demise that awaits.

      Exactly what do you think the Spirit of God was brooding about when it hovered over the formless deep? It was your soul not the physics of planetary accretion that the Spirit of God wanted to regenerate.

      November 16, 2012 at 5:12 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @fred

      Thank you for doing exactly as I predicted.

      November 16, 2012 at 6:46 pm |
    • fred

      hawaiiguest
      I like your new ploy whenever I am right and you find yourself in a corner you default to factory settings. Get out of your fetal position and tell God your sorry.

      November 16, 2012 at 7:20 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Fred
      It's you're ignorant fvcktard

      November 16, 2012 at 7:26 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @fred

      Could it be possible you have a new tactic? Or is this the other fred trying to be funny?

      November 16, 2012 at 7:34 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      The post above isn't mine. Poor troll must be in need of attention. Kinda like Gopher.

      November 16, 2012 at 7:36 pm |
    • fred

      hawaiiguest
      There is only one true fred.

      November 16, 2012 at 7:43 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      I claim the above post wasn;t mine, but where is the proof. Cite links to the proof or forever be labelled as an ignorant fvcktard by me, the bully of the belief blog.

      November 16, 2012 at 7:46 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @fred

      Well to the fred who posted "Exactly what do you think the Spirit of God was brooding about when it hovered over the formless deep?"

      The answer is, nothing, because you have not provided any evidence that the god you're talking about exists. And you never will will you? You'll continue to say that "Oh there's evidence I've given it", but will constantly refrain from actually providing those things or linking to where you've supposedly given evidence.

      November 16, 2012 at 7:48 pm |
    • fred

      hawaiiguest
      To the contrary I have stated that there is no acceptable scientific evidence that can prove God exists. What we know about God is what was revealed through revelation and accepted by faith. God addresses the soul and speaks to the soul of man. The physical will come and go just as you believe and eventually will become dust. The plan of salvation was never about the physical but the eternal soul. Man was made in the image of God and that which is of God will return to God.

      November 16, 2012 at 8:02 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @fred

      Faith is a worthless excuse to believe what you want to believe. Your faith is completely indistinguishable from the faith of a Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, and all the other religions, not to mention the denominations that have differing doctrines. Don't just say faith like it's some demonstrable truth, because it's not. Faith is worthless, and dangerous.

      November 16, 2012 at 8:25 pm |
    • fred

      hawaiiguest
      I have never been a Muslim, Hindu or Buddhist so I could not comment on their “faith”. By faith I am referring to what I experienced where the Bible came alive and true in my heart. Suddenly there was God where before there was not. It is more than a reasonable expectation as that requires evidence. I am fully aware of the fact that what I see as miracles over my past were at the time simple coincidence which can only be explained by a change in the way I perceive events as the events themselves did not appear to change.
      There is big difference between these manmade religions and faith in Christ. All other religions are self focused and driven by works which man does to get a reward. By faith I know that I am incapable of achieving any status with God based on my abilities. By the grace and mercy of God my soul was redeemed because of Gods glory, Gods love and goodness. The other religions based on mans performance cannot overcome this and fail whereas if I follow the teachings of Christ I will achieve heaven, nirvana or nonexistence in all the 3 faiths you mentioned. Simple logic (without faith) shows that Christ’s key is the master key based on their own dogma. Their keys do not open that narrow gate which leads to eternal life.

      November 16, 2012 at 8:53 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @fred

      Try sticking to at least one madeup definition of faith per post.
      Also, your second paragraph is another irrelevant tangent.

      November 16, 2012 at 8:55 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      But I'm done for the weekend, so goodbye fred, have fun with your standard dishonesty.

      November 16, 2012 at 8:56 pm |
    • fred

      hawaiiguest
      How is the second paragraph an irrelevant tangent since you brought up these other religions in a failed attempt to prove Christianity false? Christianity is very different than the others as shown by focus on self achievement verses a God centered focus outside of self.

      November 16, 2012 at 10:06 pm |
    • Crispycritter

      AppleBush-
      God is all powerful
      God is all good
      Evil exists
      God has a good reason for the evil that exists

      November 17, 2012 at 12:42 am |
  17. Andrew

    Back in the day and for 230 years, we preferred to elect a man with a religious foundation to represent us in congress. But these days, it means almost nothing. In fact, its almost just the opposite. There are too many 'political christians', hypocrites who put politics above Christianity – a slimeball if ever there was a slimeball – and we no longer trust these people, because they lie and cheat more than they pray. Political Christians are completely unpredictable and very destructive.

    November 16, 2012 at 1:49 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      Political Christiandummies are bred not born but still they bring in the bread, know what I said?

      November 16, 2012 at 1:56 pm |
  18. us_1776

    Start sending some Atheists to Congress and then maybe we can get some sensible things accomplished.

    .

    November 16, 2012 at 1:49 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      Atheists? Aren't they the "Know Nothing" abaters for nothingness sakes?

      November 16, 2012 at 1:53 pm |
    • Mike

      Start putting Atheists up for election who want to accomplish something more palateable to the majority than banning religion, and maybe we'll elect more of them to Congress.

      November 16, 2012 at 2:42 pm |
    • sam

      Oh bullshit, Mike.

      November 16, 2012 at 2:49 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @Mike,

      I don't know a single atheist who wants to ban religion.

      There's nothing wrong with live and let live.

      November 16, 2012 at 3:25 pm |
    • Crispycritter

      US1776-Yeah, like killing even more children, stealing even more of other peoples money through a confiscatory tax system, and fraudulently electing more Democrats!

      November 17, 2012 at 12:49 am |
  19. lionlylamb

    My Words Upon Truth's Doors

    Mathew 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God

    Luke 17:21, "the kingdom of God is inside you."

    1Corinthians 3:9 "For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, [ye are] God's building."

    Godless and the ungodly, for these are the choices from which commonwealth atheists do make felt upon their habitual senses denying the goodly of Godly intent. Many young-bucks of godlessness and the ungodly tender to avail themselves with the nailed doldrums' sciatica and do abound with much societal unpleasantries toward the abaters of wanton deniabilities against them, those ungodly and godless beings of smirked vials of randomized intention-abilities. Their deniabilities are not without compromising or so they do entail and also do weave upon the where-with-alls laments.

    The mockeries of these godless and ungodly against the goodly who do themselves believe upon Godly importance may well live on past all and onto every garden's Aged endings. How else could Life Truly End and Real Living thusly Begin? To believe or not believe for these are Life's choices. Still yet are found mercies, for the mercifilled are one of Life's greatest treasures and livings' sweetest unending rewards.

    What was first made can never again become that which was made first for only in varying differential constructs can another thing be made to be outdone against that which was firstly made. The pillars of one's DNA, the spirals of all celestial life forms and formations is where God's Sons and their given wives are taken in as residents there abouts.

    The Kingdoms of God lay where the inner structures of celestial Life do share in the abundancies of Living Fractals in Cosmological Paradigms. As mankinds' hunting for the Codifying of Life's laws in Cellularized Confinements continues onwards, many will ever become non-complacent in our societal grandeurs for wanting sakes trying never to be outdone by those who tend to be in simplifications' adjuring. May we be merciful upon those who deservidely aspire to be merciful toward others.

    A scattering is upon us in these trying days and Age. Leave your wantings behind and never take wind of one's longings for the weightiness of one's longings will smite even the most influential. Carry away nothing and leave. Head to the places inside one's being and do not keep ajar your door for many will want to enter in and should not. Your loving this Life is for the world to have needs of and you should not heed the rumors from others as to just what is truly right. It is therefore best for mankind to simmer in their yet unfinished juvenile pottages never rationalizingly 'assaying' one's diffuse detriments, the very smallest of life's grains. As smitten breeds, our splendors reveal one's characters to be traitorous to one's analogous fold. Where then does True Life end and Real Living begin?

    Who before this day's Age is found worthy of Goodly praises? Who after us will find peace set before them? Who in today;s timeline is this "son of man" that many should fear him for his worthiness stance? Who above can see the below? Who that is below can see what be above? From the very smallest crevice to the most high chasms, the Sea of Nothingness is the Holy Spirit. May the elemental Gods find favor in this found son of man that he may not be afflicted with this world's power but rather he should carry upon him the angst from his manhood till his natural death.

    What I spiritually believe in is that the Families of God including God Himself lives upon the very first created Cosmos which is the inner Cosmos. Our being but upon this celestial cosmos is due our being cast out of the Inner Cosmos for many reasons. Some were cast out of this Inner Cosmos for faultering and some for continuing to do the Lord's Will here upon this celestial realm of gigantic life forms whereupon their insides are living many families of God's members. We live upon this realm doing what we want while many of us unify ourselves in the communal. My way is not your way and yet when we cross paths we receive each other and after a spell do walk on and are parted.Therefore, walk placidly amid the noise and waste ever being mindful of the peace one finds in finding peace there about.

    Is God to be made a mockery by those who tend to instill anti-leveraged pragmatisms? Are we to believe in the godless and the ungodly who care little about the piecemeal subjectives' ordinates?

    Jesus, was the very first of many immeasurable 'elemental beings' and was in the Beginning an elemental king of all the elemental Gods. Jesus, in His cunning, did thru Chaos' manueverings, established the gravimetrical waves for the elementals to gather in broods thusly was formed the beginnings of celestial nebulas.

    As time did force the nebulas to progressively surround the gravimetric oscillations where from did come about galactic formations of the elementals' soundness. As systems of photonic elementals, the infinitesimal finite elemental Gods did shower the solarized systems with their embodied beings. And in the Now, we are but made from the photonic elementals' stillnesses, the stardusts of the Ages.

    My "Physicist" knows very well the quantum physicalities of natured atomic stimulations. I call this "Physicist" God. He has strewn His Sea of Nothingness with 'photogenitisms' or the stillness of the photons creating all manner of the first materials needed to become thru timeliness all the elementals' members of our declared Periodic Table of Materialized Photogenitis.

    Sciences are but the dreams dreamt and are atheists' treasure troves of good books they hardly ever do read, for many atheists aren't too bright yet they stand by these scientists without one iota of deniability to question science books that even the commoner seldom reads nor truly understands. Who among us knows about the 'Self-Similar Cosmological Paradigm'? Who among us truly understands that energy equals mass times light squared and its' true potential? What is the point in adoring scientific reasoning when one's IQ level can be counted on ten fingers?

    What I believe is; "The Cosmos is immeasurably full of ever unkowable to us universes." The 'analogous' variabilities of moving universes is so slow in their plights that trillions upon trillions times triliions of our years will pass by before any other universe will gain entrances onto any other universe. As our Ages of tenureships figuratively coalesce in the extemities ponderances, the forlorn and the 'un-abled' will ever need others to carry them along and alongside the tapestries of Life and its garnered adaptabilities. Love therefore and do never 'not' love for one would be wasting away their love for living and the need for loving is tantamount and above reproach.

    I feel a compelling want to tell you about some verses in Gospel scripture. Is it not written to above all things to seek firstly the "Kingdom of God". This said, have you ascribed to doing so? Where does one look to or towards in order to find that which we are told to seek as scripture does declare one to do?

    Mathew 6:33 "But seek ye first the kingdom of God."

    I've searched the Gospel writings and have found a single verse telling all who have found it as to the true and literal location of God's Kingdomly Domains!

    Luk 17:21 "The kingdom of God is inside you."

    I take Luke 17:21 quite literally and so should all who believe in One God and His One Son of perhaps oodles upon oodles of otherly Sons and Daughters too numerous to really expound upon! Christ is special because he was born to take upon his being the sins of those who were and then were also and of times yet to come! God's Kingdoms being inside us and within our ownliness bodies can also be associated with another verse of scripture ,,,,

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    1Corinthians 3:9 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, [ye are] God's building.

    The just above verse does tell much more than just glimpsing over it could proclude! Our being labourers with God may well seem to give us all an equal footing with God and his aspirations for our betterment's sakes! His being our husbandry may well regard God as having a firm footing in our conceptions of childbirthing beyond mere genetic understandings!

    But in the aboveness verse, the very understanding that we or our bodies are God's buildings may well inspire one to disavow such a claim due one's foresightedness sakes and lacking of rationalisms' of credible resources. Yet, as I see things, we, our bodies are not only God established and God created buildings for the benefits of the Godly who reside inside of us, but are for our benefits for learning and understanding the precepts of "Fractal Cosmologies"!

    We have seen that which our bodies are made up of and they are of cellularized structures not "unlike" nebula structures in outer space places! These celestial nebula structures are yet a work-in-progress and our body-like buildings are a progress in the works!

    These words are revelations of my Faith as to my Godly understandings regarding the Kingdom Domains of God, his Sons and his Daughters-in-law and all forms and mannerisms of Life-ever-lasting principles and principalities of ever living progressives!

    Written by God's Oldest Dreamer (Just an old old fuddy duddy who has but one bro for a buddy)

    November 16, 2012 at 1:49 pm |
    • Just call me Lucifer

      Yeah... those who believe in an all-powerful all-knowing sky god who has never ever been seen or heard are bat-shyte crazy. In the past I'd say live and let live, but no more. I have no tolerance for gullibility and idiocy. I will burn every religious zealot soul for all eternity. I'm the devil and I approve this message.

      November 16, 2012 at 1:59 pm |
    • Apple Bush

      That was another great read. Not.

      November 16, 2012 at 2:04 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      Just call me Lucifer,

      Silly Satanist! God is no Zeus for God and his families do literally live inside all celestial Life, not in the skies where there is too damningly may photonic missiles being rained from the son god rah! Dumb ol fuddy duddy you are for thinking our God is a sky-fairy!

      November 16, 2012 at 2:06 pm |
    • Attack of the 50 Foot Magical Underwear

      Oh, Lionlylamb: I fear that I must attribute to you that which I only previously attributed to Rainer: Nut, nut, nut – you're a nut, nut, nut!

      November 16, 2012 at 2:14 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      Attack of the 50 Foot Magical Underwear,

      "Even a blind squirrel finds a few nuts laying around the trees"- God's Oldest Dreamer ( I am but a lowly fuddy duduy, really!)

      November 16, 2012 at 2:18 pm |
    • tl;dr

      tl;dr

      November 16, 2012 at 2:22 pm |
  20. smartaz

    CNN has been like Godilocks the past 2 weeks.

    November 16, 2012 at 1:48 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      "Godilocks"? I know a fable too but it was with "Goldilocks" One More Time ol fuddy duddy buddy! :-)

      November 16, 2012 at 1:52 pm |
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