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Rubio ignites debate with answer about creationism
November 19th, 2012
04:19 PM ET

Rubio ignites debate with answer about creationism

By Dan Merica and Eric Marrapodi, CNN

Washington (CNN) – Florida Sen. Marco Rubio attempted to walk the line between science and faith-based creationism in remarks that that have provoked the ire of liberal blogs, leaving the door open to creationism in responding to a recent question about the age of the Earth.

When GQ’s Michal Hainey asked Rubio, in an interview released Monday, “How old do you think the Earth is,” the rising Republican star described the debate about the planet’s age as “one of the great mysteries.”

“I'm not a scientist, man,” Rubio told the interviewer. “I can tell you what recorded history says, I can tell you what the Bible says, but I think that's a dispute amongst theologians and I think it has nothing to do with the gross domestic product or economic growth of the United States.”

“Whether the Earth was created in seven days, or seven actual eras,” Rubio continued, “I'm not sure we'll ever be able to answer that. It's one of the great mysteries.”

Most scientists agree that the Earth is 4.5 billion years old and the universe is 14.5 billion years old. Christian Young Earth Creationists, on the other hand, argue that the weeklong account of God creating the Earth and everything in it represents six 24-hour periods (plus one day of rest) and date the age of the Earth between 6,000 and 10,000 years.

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Left-leaning blogs and sites like ThinkProgress and Huffington Post jumped on Rubio’s comments, with the Zack Beauchamp from ThingProgress writing, “To suggest we can’t know how old the Earth is, then, is to deny the validity of these scientific methods altogether — a maneuver familiar to Rubio, who also denies the reality of anthropogenic climate change.”

Rubio is regarded as a possible Republican presidential candidate in 2016, though the senator says his visit last week to Iowa, home of the first-in-the-nation presidential caucuses, had “nothing to do with 2016.”

His response to GQ’s age of the Earth query has also provoked questions about his political aspirations. Dave Weigel of Slate writes, “How can you read that and not think ‘Iowa’? ” The state is the first to hold a presidential caucus in 2016.

Forty-six percent of Americans believe that God created humans in their present form at one point within the past 10,000 years, according to a survey released by Gallup in June. That number has remained unchanged for the past 30 years, since 1982, when Gallup first asked the question on creationism versus evolution.

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The second most common view is that humans evolved with God's guidance - a view held by 32% of respondents. The view that humans evolved with no guidance from God was held by 15% of respondents.

The Gallup poll has not specifically asked about views on the age of the Earth.

Rubio attends a Baptist church in southern Florida but also considers himself “a practicing Catholic.”

He was born Catholic, but his family converted to Mormonism when Rubio was 8 years old, according to Rubio’s recent memoir. The family left its LDS faith behind when it moved from Nevada back to Florida and Rubio was confirmed in the Catholic Church.

Catholic teaching is that science and faith are not at odds with one another and it is possible to believe what scientists say about the Earth’s age and in God. But many evangelical churches, including Baptist ones, promote a version of creationism.

When CNN reached out to Rubio’s Baptist church in Florida on Monday, a person answering the phone would not comment on its teachings about the Earth’s age and said that a church representative was unlikely to be available in the near term.

During the GQ interview, Rubio argued that “there are multiple theories out there on how the universe was created and I think this is a country where people should have the opportunity to teach them all.”

For the past 30 years, the “equal-time argument” –- the idea that Creationism taught alongside evolution -– has been popular method for Creationists to advance their cause. In the late 1980s, some state legislatures passed bills that promoted the idea of a balanced treatment of both ideas in the classroom.

In 1987, the issue made it all the way to the Supreme Court, where a Louisiana "equal-time law" was struck down. The court ruled that teaching creationism in public school classrooms was a violation of the Establishment Cause in the Constitution, which is commonly referred to as the separation of church and state.

- Dan Merica

Filed under: Creationism • Politics

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  1. petemg

    Many of you say that any body who believes in God or practices in a religion is a lunatic but many of you believe and worship in money and material things. You may say that you do not but why is it that you feel you have to have much wealth and cars and big houses and things as living. Is it living when you have a fear of somebody stealing these things. What is wrong in believing in a Creator God. You cannot see or touch God but you can see the effects of what God does. There was a statement made years ago that you cannot see or touch the wind but you can see how it blows the leaves. You see the sun but you can see how it tans a person's skin. You see how the sun helps the plants grow. What is wrong in believing in God the Creator. And then Jesus came to Earth as Man and yet we still see people who believe and follow Him. Why are people so scared of a Creator that they feel they have to condemn others. Are you people scared of the fact that one day you may have to be responsible for your actions. Besides politics and religion should not mix and yet you people allow it, you push for it. Then too God did predict these kinds of days in the Bible. He stated through man the author that one day, this day people would denounce God and that there would be wars and rumors of wars. Just take a look at a Bible, it does not bite, it has much to tell. Compare with what is going on now in a newspaper to what was foretold in the Book of Daniel and Revelation.

    November 20, 2012 at 12:47 am |
    • Gadflie

      I read it. Not impressed. Sorry kid.

      November 20, 2012 at 12:52 am |
    • Mike

      The bible is a fruad. It was put together by Constine in 325 ad.

      November 20, 2012 at 12:54 am |
    • Observer

      petemg,

      "Why are people so scared of a Creator". Ask Christians and others like them since only believers can be scared of God.

      November 20, 2012 at 12:55 am |
    • Blessed are the Cheese makers

      The bible has incest, murder, slavery....all condoned by your god. Your god is not as loving as you think.

      And you are not a lunatic for believing a personal god exists...it just makes you wrong.

      November 20, 2012 at 12:56 am |
    • manbearpig

      Pete-
      I watched what "god" does on September 11, 2011. No one is scared of god (how can you be afraid of something that doesn't exist?), but there are plenty of reasons to be scared of religious people.

      November 20, 2012 at 12:58 am |
    • Damocles

      Soooo... deities cause suntans??? Coppertoneicus the Mighty promises Bronzed Skin for All!!

      November 20, 2012 at 12:59 am |
    • R.U. Kidding

      Respectfully... I'm not buying it.

      November 20, 2012 at 1:01 am |
    • Athy

      Petemg
      Ever hear of a question mark? They look like this ????

      November 20, 2012 at 1:15 am |
    • Ben

      @petemg The stuff that's being reported now in the newspapers is the same as what's been going on since before anyone ever heard of YHWH. War, economic problems, dealings with troublesome rulers, disease, famine, ... When has mankind ever not had these problems? Daniel's "prophecies" are about as shocking as "Some day soon there will be a war.

      November 20, 2012 at 1:22 am |
    • rev101

      Someone recently noted that science flies you into space, to seek truth, to test ideas, for the thirst of knowledge.
      Whereas religion, of some sorts, supresses women, denies your free will, curses you to a destiny not of your design,
      and flies you into tall buildings.

      November 20, 2012 at 2:02 am |
  2. Tom Sawyer

    I've never understood what it is creationists want taught in school. It seems it could be pretty much summed up in one sentence: "Some people believe the earth was created in its present form by a supernatural being about six to ten thousand years ago." What more is there to teach?

    November 20, 2012 at 12:40 am |
    • Athy

      Not much. There's no evidence or proof, so they can't talk about that.

      November 20, 2012 at 12:42 am |
    • manbearpig

      I for one would love to get my hands on a copy of the proposed curriculum for teaching creationism in schools. Now that would be some funny sh.it.

      November 20, 2012 at 12:45 am |
    • End Religion

      They need to cover the role of dinosaurs in helping man move quarry rock, etc., which dinos made the best pets. That kind of stuff is important to know.

      November 20, 2012 at 12:49 am |
    • manbearpig

      Also, I want to see the ancient blueprints for dinosaur saddles.

      November 20, 2012 at 12:54 am |
    • joe

      There is no logical difference between creationism and believing in ANY religion. Don't look down on creationists if you too believe in some almighty being looking over us.

      November 20, 2012 at 1:13 am |
  3. Dick Izinya

    Bobby JIndal got it right when he said the GOP has to stop being the "stupid" party. Stop denying science and pandering to the lunatic fringe. The lunatic fringe doesn't get you elected, everyone else does.

    November 20, 2012 at 12:40 am |
    • manbearpig

      Shhhh! The longer it takes them to figure that out the better it is for the rest of us.

      November 20, 2012 at 12:42 am |
  4. Bryan

    I wish CNN had been half as curious and critical about Obama's stances before he was elected. Then, we wouldn't be in the mess we're in now.

    November 20, 2012 at 12:34 am |
    • Dick Izinya

      Boo, hoo! Weep, weep! Keep crying, Republicant, I've converted my VW to run on Conservitard tears.

      November 20, 2012 at 12:38 am |
    • manbearpig

      Here we go with the whole "ZOMG Obama is destroying America!!!" diatribe. Yawn.

      November 20, 2012 at 12:40 am |
    • jv

      what mess you, m^%^?? The mess in your sick, twisted mind? Get over it

      November 20, 2012 at 12:41 am |
    • End Religion

      lol... mess... the sun came out and washed all the Republicunt clouds away. Housing is up a few percent already.

      http://www.mercurynews.com/real-estate/ci_22026431/housing-market-continued-improve-october

      November 20, 2012 at 12:55 am |
  5. glyph7

    Republicans will deny anything deduced through reasoning skills

    November 20, 2012 at 12:32 am |
    • Bryan

      Very true...kind of like saying the gov't shouldn't spend more than it brings in, huh?

      November 20, 2012 at 12:35 am |
    • Ken

      Like the way people saw through Romney's "economic plan"?

      November 20, 2012 at 12:44 am |
    • Pi R Squared

      That is right. Don't wage a war you are not willing to pay for.

      November 20, 2012 at 1:02 am |
  6. lionlylamb

    My Word Which Lays Upon Truths Opening the Door

    Mathew 6:33 "But seek ye first the kingdom of God!"

    Luke 17:21, "The kingdom of God is inside you!"

    John 18:36 Jesus answered, "My kingdom is not of this world!"

    1Corinthians 3:9 "For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, [ye are] God's building!"

    Manly made Gods in name onliness euphemisms have become cherishing sublimations not to be outdone by anothers' naming of God such as Elohim or Jehovah etc etc. Is it not of more-so importance to write or make small-talk toward others to 'menstruatively' condition the morals of youthfulness than to bicker and banter about as aged 'gossipers' seeking praises of others to justify their own selfishness sakes? Who therefore is to be pitied more, the one behind the podium or the audience?

    The christian word of truth being the gospels of which are now many to be had can no more be held up in righteousness sakes. To the christians; "The troubles with unfaithful trinitarians, those who belly-up to one god times three is, they read but only into it and get very little out of what they make 'go-spel-lingly' in amplifications of unblessed pleasings by the Sons of God. Their rudimentary and timid preaching in devilish tongues beatifies only the dumb-hearted relics of their christiandumbness's idiosyncratic marmoset-like redundancies. Their godly embittered moralisms are but self-centered and self-censored upon redundant principles that are remorsefully archaic in round-about cultured replicants being those old fuddy duddies who fumble ever for their next glass worth of wine! Drunk and in temperamental stupors are the emotionally fallen in christiandumbs folds becoming sciatic pragmatisms unworthy of even one toasting for, but rather against!"

    In retrospect, Godless bemoans and bewails the ungodly. For these are the choices from which commonwealth atheists do make felt upon their retrospective and habitual senses denying the goodly upon ever moving towards the ways of godly intent. Many young-bucks of godlessness and the ungodliness sensually tenders to avail themselves with the nailed doldrums' sciatica.They do abound with much societal unpleasantries toward the abaters of commonly wanton deniabilities against them. Ungodly and godless beings of smirked violaters of randomized intention-abilities are meant only as austerities of servile subversions. Their subversive deniabilities are not without compromising or so they do entail and also do weave upon the where-with-all of seasoned laments.

    Likewise, the mockeries of these godless and ungodly against the goodly who themselves tenderly believe upon godly importance. The goodly ones may well live on to pass all and give bridled leverages onto every generation's aged continuations. How else could Life Truly End and Real Living Thusly Begin? To believe or not believe for these are Life's choices. Christ Jesus came to this world to condemn it and yet did He come here to also show how tenderly are generous mercies shown upon those otherly ones being most merciful to others who did so shower mercy to be so freely given by those being most merciful! Again I do say to believe or not believe for these are Life's choices. Still yet and forever onwards many generations are to be favoringly found in many a mercies, for the mercifilled ambiences are one of our Life's greatest treasures and livings' sweetest unending rewards upon the most needy of the poorest in spirits.

    For God does never change His spiritualism and His Holy Spirit is the Great Sea of Absolute Nothingness! Always was and is and will ever be no matter what smatterings of materialized shapes do tend to seemingly clutter up His unending spiritual abundancy! It is truth that God has troubles within the fractal paradigms of inwardness's inter-cellular cosmologies as protrutions of insolent 'activists' that are sometimes revolting against the grains of our embodied sanctifications creating many unrighteous undulations of travesties not uncommonly being viewed by us celestial beings as being viral and even bacteriological in the way we understand things to be and therefore become. What was first made can never again become that which was made first for only in varying differential constructs can another thing be made to be outdone against that which was firstly made. The pillars of one's DNA, the spirals of all celestial life forms and formations bitten fomentations is where God's Sons and their given wives are taken in as residents there abouts.

    Forgoing much, the variegated Kingdom Domains of God lay where-from and within the inner structures of Celestial Life and thusly does mankind share in the abundancies of living fractals within inward Inter-Cellular Cosmological Paradigms. As mankinds' continual hunting for the codifying of Life's laws in Cellularized Confinements manliness ever does continue onwards, he will become ever aware of the once hidden things. For yet, many folks will ever become unendingly complacent upon the societal grandeurs for wanting sakes, trying valiantly never to be outdone by those who tend to be in broadest simplifications' adjuring for peaceful resolutions. May we be merciful upon those who deservidely aspire to be merciful toward others. In godly spiritualisms do we seek the folding and refolding venues of life's yearnings.

    The "blood" of Christ Jesus will ever be an acclaiming conscription thru relief-based emotional prescriptions foresaken though not by the mobs nor even the masses allotments sakes! Only thru the individualists coming to self-minding emotional terms can one's detriments be erased! The podium does entertain the amassed audiences no matter the speaker who acclaims their wordages to be more then mere words but are as a model of enlightenment to be ever made thoughtful conscious recognitions of after the speaker does close out their speech! How soon one forgets and how long one does dwell.

    A scattering of variegated opulence-ended minds is upon us in these trying days and Age. Leave therefore your harshest wantings behind and never take wind of one's longings for the weightiness of one's longings will smite even the most influential. Carry away nothing and leave ever to make headway to the places inside one's being and do not keep ajar your door for many will want to enter in and should not. Your loving of this Life is for the world to have needs of and you should not heed the rumors from others as to just what is truly right. It is therefore best for mankind to simmer in their yet unfinished juvenile pottages never rationalizingly 'assaying' one's diffuse detriments, the very smallest of life's grains. As smitten breeds, our splendors reveal one's characters to be traitorous to one's analogous fold. Where then does true life really end and real living truly begin?

    For this world knows not the time nor the place for the 'sons of man' and their coming upon this world to make judgement upon the world's governance. Behold you now for the time is now upon mankind for these 'sons of man' are now placed in and upon mankind's midsts. They do see much goodness upon many lands and the one does also see much bitterness as well. These sons of but a simple minded man knows well the bitterness of social torments and much of the worldly social egress. The tears that flow from this man's sons are bitter and with much consolations gathering in their togetherness as wasted nuptials being leveraged by time's undoing stature. The angst of one man's sons is but now the two-folded spark of leavened thanksgiving and no more trickeries to be unfolded upon mankind! No more is unsoundness being one sons' beatifications while the otherly son does wastefully partake of brewed measures. As sons of loving parents, do we live on and towards finality's ends.

    Though my sights are now set my heart maintains a pleasingly maleable notion. I do so love my brother beyond the bounds of the wateriness of baptismal complacencies. My brother and I are one blood and nothing dare comes between us lest they be but friendly natured. God as my soul's judge and Christ Jesus is my publicity's defender regarding my ongoing maleable heart, I am hell-bent to be my brother's keeper foresaking the watery conditionings of religious persuasion. May men nor women scorn my lot in this Life's consortium in brotherly assets. God forbade me in time's past and did allow me the freedoms to be hung with! May the son and brother, being of one common-placed man be never-no-more to be found unwilling to set things right no matter what was so done in time's passing momentums!

    Who before this day's Age is found those worthy of Goodly praises? Who after us will find peace set before them? Who in today;s timeline is this "son of man" that many should fear him for his worthiness stance? Who above can see the below? Who that is below can see what be above? From the very smallest crevice to the most high chasms, the Sea of Nothingness is the Holy Spirit. May the elemental gods find favor in this cherishing crevice-found sons of a common man that he may not be afflicted with this world's power but rather he should carry upon him the angst from his manhood till his natural death. Yes are my words as being of deism but I harken upon deism as being God's Sons who did make in guilts shamefulness their taking of mankind's women, an unjust travesty to be once warned but now acclaimed as high minded treasurings. In God are all things made cleanly and cleared up thru timeliness.

    Only God's sons could make a real tree and in their lengths of progressive natures did they create mankind's celestial presence. God in His Holy Spirit being the absolution of all and every considerations makes well all things be they physical or be they minded in thoughtfulness considerations. The Holy Spirit of Almighy God is the Great Sea of Nothingness which where-in does abound the pleasentries apparelled beings ever cleansed in opulence conditionings. In all places are many things so placed. Whomever can say differently the amassing of things that are bound by His gravimetric conditions? Who dare I ask?

    What I spiritually believe in is that the Families of God including God Himself lives upon the very first created Cosmos which is the Inner Cosmos. Our being but upon this celestial cosmos is due our being cast or made out of the Inner Cosmos for many reasons. Some were cast out of this Inner Cosmos for faulterings of waywardness and some for willingly wanting to continue to do the Lord's Will here upon this celestial realm of gigantic life forms whereupon their insides are living many families of God's members. We live upon this realm doing what we want while many of us unify ourselves in the communal. My way is not your way and yet when we cross paths we receive each other and after a spell do walk on and are parted.Therefore, walk placidly amid the noise and waste ever being mindful of the peace one finds in finding peace there about.

    Prayers or praying about things gives one time to be reflective upon the things prayed upon. Many times a prayer can be thought thru and found to be in no need of a being we take as one's god. 1Corinthians 3:9 "For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, [ye are] God's building!" Our labouring together with God imparts upon the mind's eyes that we have been given an equal footing with God and are left to our own means to live out our life no matter what befalls one. Death befalls all things living. Even within the Kingdom Domains of God where does reside God's Sons and His Daughters-in-Law.

    Is God to be made a mockery by those who tend to instill anti-leveraged pragmatisms? Are we to believe in the godless and the ungodly who care little about religions' piecemeal subjectives' ordinates?

    Jesus, was the very first of many immeasurable 'elemental beings' and was in the Beginning an elemental king of all the elemental Gods. Jesus, in His cunning, did thru Chaos' manueverings, established the gravimetrical waves for the elementals to gather in broods thusly was formed the beginnings of celestial nebulas.

    As time did force the nebulas to progressively surround the gravimetric oscillations where from did come about galactic formations of the elementals' soundness. As systems of photonic elementals, the infinitesimally finite elemental Gods did shower the solarized systems with their embodied beings. And in the Now, we are but made from the photonic elementals' stillnesses, the stardusts of the Ages.

    My "Physicist" knows very well the quantum physicalities of natured atomic stimulations. I call this "Physicist" God. He has strewn His Sea of Nothingness with 'photogeniticisms' or the stillness of the photons creating all manner of the first materials needed to become thru timeliness all the elementals' calibrationed members of our declared Periodic Table of Materialized Photogenitis.

    Microbiologists are today's inner-seeking astrophysicists for they are searching among our embodied core-roots to find answers regarding biological fractals of inner cosmological paradigms. We truly are God's buildings! Some of our bodies are condominiums and some are for storage purposes and some are the temples where God's family members and His servants do pay homages in. 1Corinthians 3:9 "For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, [ye are] God's building!"

    Sciences are but the dreams seldomly dreamt and are atheists' treasure troves of good books that they the atheists hardly ever do read, for many atheists aren't too bright yet they stand by these scientists without one iota of deniability to question science books that even the socialized commoner seldom reads nor truly dare understands. Who among us knows about that 'Self-Similar Cosmological Paradigms' lays open the doors to Cosmologies of the Fractal kinds? Who among us truly understands that energy equals mass times light squared and its' true potential? What is the point in adoring scientific reasoning when one's IQ level can be counted on ten fingers?

    1Corinthians 3:9 "For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, [ye are] God's building!"

    Inside of the Fractals within Bio-Cosmological Paradigms lays all inter-cellular activities only just recently becoming known by mankinds' Sciences. All religions have been left in the dustiness sideroads where Truth does prevail upon many of mankind's teachers and their students of Bio-Cellular Technicalities wanting to willingly know about the Kingdom Domains of God which lay upon the insides of all celestially nomenclatured biological life forms and life formations.

    As this Age of Great Enlightenments contnue onwards the Kingdom Domains of God does progressively teach one and we are taught from its outward creviced distances toward almost absolute finiteness or the very very smallest of distinguishable degrees, God will allow our students and teachers of such studies to meaningfully create manly made biologic mechanisms for the betterment's welfare of all our physical needs and trade orientated desires.

    What I believe is; "The Cosmos is immeasurably full of ever unkowable to us universes." The 'analogous' variabilities of moving universes is so slow in their plights that trillions upon trillions times triliions of our years will pass by before any other universe will gain entrances onto any other universe. As our Ages of tenureships figuratively coalesce in the extemities ponderances, the forlorn and the 'un-abled' will ever need others to carry them all along and alongside the tapestries of Life and its garnered adaptabilities. Love therefore and do never 'not' love for one would be wasting away their love for living and the need for loving is tantamount and above reproach.

    I feel a compelling want to tell you about some verses in Gospel scripture. Is it not written to above all things to seek firstly the "Kingdom of God". This said, have you ascribed to doing so? Where does one look to or towards in order to find that which we are told to seek as scripture does declare one to do?

    Mathew 6:33 "But seek ye first the kingdom of God."

    I've searched the Gospel writings and have found a single verse telling all who have found it as to the true and literal location of God's Kingdomly Domains!

    Luk 17:21 "The kingdom of God is inside you."

    I take Luke 17:21 quite literally and so should all who believe in One God and His One Son of perhaps oodles upon oodles of otherly Sons and Daughters-in-Law too numerous to really expound upon! Christ is special because he was born to take upon his being the sins of those who were and then were also and of times yet to come! God's Kingdom Domains being inside us and within our ownliness bodies can also be associated with another verse of scripture ,,,,

    ,
    1Corinthians 3:9 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, [ye are] God's building.

    The just above verse does tell much more than just glimpsing over it could barely proclude! Our being labourers with God may well seem to give us all an equal footing with God and His aspirations for our betterment's sakes of all parties to be considered ! His being our husbandry may well regard God as having a firm footing in our conceptions thru childbirthing beyond mere biogenetic understandings!

    But in the aboveness verse, the very understanding that we or our bodies are God's buildings may well inspire one to disavow such a claim due one's foresightedness sakes and lacking of rationalisms' of credible resources. Yet, as I see things, we, our bodies are not only God established and God created buildings for the benefits of the Godly who reside inside of us, but are for our benefits for learning and understanding the precepts of "Fractal Cosmologies"!

    We have seen that which our bodies are made up of and they are of cellularized structures not "unlike" nebula structures in outer space places! These celestial nebula structures are yet a work-in-progress and our body-like buildings are a progress in the works!

    While the charge is mindfully truthful that Christ might never come back, our problems regarding life after death does ever remain. If one does so believe that nothingness is one's finality, then, so be they, however if one faithfully believes in a hereafter, they may well be faithfully rewarded no matter how small their faith is bequeathed upon them. The Great Sea of Nothingness does not come about without perilless underpinnings whereupon the common atheist concerns are afforded them. Freezing Cold is this Great Sea of Nothingness and colder still may well become of the atheists who declare upon nothingness to be their finalities' End means. Like hell's fury does Nothingness's cold strike out! Only the very devoted atheists might garner the freezing bitter cold of Nothingness for Christ was never of them even though words were said to them being those ungodly and godless souls of deniabilities aggressions!

    What is the reasoning for Life? Are we to believe that nothingness is the ultimate conclusion of Life? Just how long did it take Life to create mankind? Kindly consider all the nuances and reasonings for the world's establishing of a biosphere wherein to place mankind upon and within. Why should such a sphere ever be needed if not for a sound reason? To stand upon the premise that 'naturalistic' phenomenons made the world what is now is so falsely unreasoning that it puts assunder the amazing feat that creation itself did play out here amid a rock being at just the right place within the sun's solar system to give rise to mankind! Who'd have guessed we were made right, right here upon this rock?

    These words are revelations of my Faith as to my Godly understandings regarding the Kingdom Domains of God, his Sons and his Daughters-in-law and all forms and mannerisms of Life-ever-lasting principles and principalities of ever living progressives!

    Written by God's Oldest Dreamer

    November 20, 2012 at 12:31 am |
    • manbearpig

      Seriously – why do you even bother? No one is going to read that, and you know it. Retard.

      November 20, 2012 at 12:36 am |
    • Athy

      Man, that was the longest post I ever had the pleasure of not reading!

      November 20, 2012 at 12:40 am |
    • Dick Izinya

      Can you elaborate?

      November 20, 2012 at 12:41 am |
    • Gadflie

      A fine example of why more words doesn't equate to more intelligence.

      November 20, 2012 at 12:48 am |
    • jimbo

      You can believe anything you want or any book you read. The matter of fact is when you die, you are just like a broken down computer, dead, period.

      November 20, 2012 at 12:49 am |
    • Eric

      tl;dr, Or, today's Word of the Day: Brevity.

      November 20, 2012 at 3:35 am |
  7. joe

    Breaking News: ANYONE who believes in ANY form of religion is a certifiable lunatic.

    November 20, 2012 at 12:31 am |
    • Eric D

      So sad about Global Warming then: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/6494213/Climate-change-belief-given-same-legal-status-as-religion.html

      November 20, 2012 at 2:31 am |
  8. glyph7

    He'll deny science, but proclaim he is educated enough to run the economy?

    November 20, 2012 at 12:29 am |
  9. Bryan

    He is clearly racist! Get him MSM!

    November 20, 2012 at 12:28 am |
  10. Smeagel4T

    Well I guess the Gallop poll pretty much sums it up why the US is falling behind other nations in science.

    November 20, 2012 at 12:21 am |
    • Athy

      Yeah, it's a crying shame. But how can we change it? We all have but one vote.

      November 20, 2012 at 12:28 am |
    • MotorHead

      NOT TRUE!!!! You can vote more than once if you are a Democrat!!!!

      November 20, 2012 at 12:43 am |
    • manbearpig

      I live in Ohio and voted for Obama no less than 7 times. Take that dou.chebag!

      November 20, 2012 at 12:49 am |
  11. tom wittmann

    The ignorance of the GOP leaders has no limits. They think that because he is a Latino, he will be attract Latino voters

    Facts is that the ultra-conservatives Cuban – American community, which is lead by the sons of the Cuban oligarchs, which maintained Cuba in so disastrous social and economic conditions that finally FIDEL CASTRO was able to take over, which in turn caused them to emigrate, being a small percentage of the much several times larger Mexican and Central American community, has nothing to do with the latter, and factually they are clearly antagonistic.

    The Florida Cuban exiles are mainly political driven (even if including an economic component), the Mexican – Central American community, mainly in the West, Southwest t and northern US, is nearly exclusively originated by very poor immigrants

    And as Mr. Rubio, as above article shows, is again, as Romney, catering to the moronic evangelical fundamentalist, trying to hide it behind an poor flip-flopping, added by the fact that the blacks are not exactly enthusiastic about Latinos, neither are so the religious extremists, the has not a chance in hell to be elected President!!

    November 20, 2012 at 12:18 am |
  12. Dawn

    Rubio, you puss. If you think that denying science for yet another election cycle is going to get you anywhere (even in Iowa) you'll be as disappointed and shocked as Mitt.

    November 20, 2012 at 12:15 am |
  13. Bill Marvel

    Rubio obviously is not qualified to speak on science.
    If he attends a Baptist church and also claims to be “a practicing Catholic” that automatically disqualifies him from speaking about religion, too.

    November 20, 2012 at 12:12 am |
    • Athy

      So what can he speak about? Makes one wonder doesn't it?

      November 20, 2012 at 12:18 am |
  14. Equal time

    Will the churches also allow equal time and literature for evolution in their services and Sunday schools? I doubt they would like that.

    November 20, 2012 at 12:12 am |
    • MaryJ

      Yup, no "teaching the controversy" during church service. Funny how the expectation only ever goes one way.

      November 20, 2012 at 12:17 am |
  15. pamela j reynolds

    Heads up, kids.... we have one life. Make the best of it what you will and what you can. But, do it respectfully please.

    November 20, 2012 at 12:00 am |
    • saulright

      lol. Yeah Pam! What have you done with YOUR life that's so great?

      November 20, 2012 at 12:15 am |
    • End Religion

      lol

      November 20, 2012 at 12:19 am |
    • heliocracy

      Apple, how did you say that on here? I tried it and my comment wouldn't post.

      November 20, 2012 at 12:19 am |
    • Athy

      C'mon guys. Don't come down too hard on Pam. She seems sort of neutral to me. Let her slide for now.

      November 20, 2012 at 12:21 am |
    • End Religion

      someone let her slide.... apple's post is gone like a fart in the wind

      November 20, 2012 at 1:04 am |
  16. Jim Kiricov

    I wonder how many people still believe the world is flat too?

    November 19, 2012 at 11:59 pm |
    • Athy

      I think most people now think the world is a sphere (round for the simple-minded). It only took about 400 years. Hopefully getting rid of religion won't take as long.

      November 20, 2012 at 12:08 am |
    • Jim Kiricov

      I think what's worse then ignorance is knowing better and playing on other peoples ignorance.

      November 20, 2012 at 12:13 am |
    • End Religion

      I know the world is flat. The scary thing is, as we fly through space if we tilt even the slightest bit we could all go sliding off into space. Knowing this keeps me awake some nights. I mean, Americans are getting fatter. What if we tip the earth to one side?

      November 20, 2012 at 12:22 am |
    • Athy

      Yeah. I lose a lot of sleep over that too.

      November 20, 2012 at 12:30 am |
  17. lionlylamb

    My Word Which Lays Upon Truths Opening the Door

    Mathew 6:33 "But seek ye first the kingdom of God!"

    Luke 17:21, "The kingdom of God is inside you!"

    John 18:36 Jesus answered, "My kingdom is not of this world!"

    1Corinthians 3:9 "For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, [ye are] God's building!"

    Manly made Gods in name onliness euphemisms have become cherishing sublimations not to be outdone by anothers' naming of God such as Elohim or Jehovah etc etc. Is it not of more-so importance to write or make small-talk toward others to 'menstruatively' condition the morals of youthfulness than to bicker and banter about as aged 'gossipers' seeking praises of others to justify their own selfishness sakes? Who therefore is to be pitied more, the one behind the podium or the audience?

    The christian word of truth being the gospels of which are now many to be had can no more be held up in righteousness sakes. To the christians; "The troubles with unfaithful trinitarians, those who belly-up to one god times three is, they read but only into it and get very little out of what they make 'go-spel-lingly' in amplifications of unblessed pleasings by the Sons of God. Their rudimentary and timid preaching in devilish tongues beatifies only the dumb-hearted relics of their christiandumbness's idiosyncratic marmoset-like redundancies. Their godly embittered moralisms are but self-centered and self-censored upon redundant principles that are remorsefully archaic in round-about cultured replicants being those old fuddy duddies who fumble ever for their next glass worth of wine! Drunk and in temperamental stupors are the emotionally fallen in christiandumbs folds becoming sciatic pragmatisms unworthy of even one toasting for, but rather against!"

    November 19, 2012 at 11:59 pm |
    • Apple Bush

      Mr. Lamb, your insights stir my soul. Thank you so much.

      November 20, 2012 at 12:08 am |
    • ARob

      None of this changes the fact that religion has no scientific validity, just like science has no religious validity. Teaching religion as if it was valid science is as ridiculous as trying to scientifically explain God's fantastic and inconsistent variety of attributes.

      November 20, 2012 at 12:20 am |
    • c smythe

      Sorry, couldn't understand yer ramblin'. There are no gods, ufos, ghosts or big foot. The universe is really really big. Things are really really far away. The sun will rise every day for a long long time. That is all, nothing more. Oh, there is a very good chance life exists everywhere. Now, go feed the hungry . . .

      November 20, 2012 at 12:26 am |
    • Ken

      Apple Bush
      Insightful music and poetry also stirs the "soul", but that doesn't mean that we should take them literally.

      November 20, 2012 at 12:40 am |
    • Apple Bush

      Ken, sarcasm

      November 20, 2012 at 12:00 pm |
  18. Dissenting Opinion

    Rubio has a lot more guts than most of the group-thinkers commenting on this website. If any of you would open your minds even a little bit, you would see that there are huge leaps of faith required to believe in universal evolution - more faith than I have.
    All Rubio is doing is daring to suggest that its a discussion worth having. Is anybody on this website willing to listen? Or will you all prove your closed-minded arrogance by mocking anyone who disagrees?

    November 19, 2012 at 11:53 pm |
    • Gadflie

      A leap of faith to believe in evolution? Something with literally mountains of evidence supporting it. Compare this with God, something with no evidence supporting it at all.

      November 19, 2012 at 11:56 pm |
    • Colin

      Fine, I will listen. Give me your evidence for an earth younger than 10,000 years. Your best three heads of evidence will suffice. And I don't mean pointing out what you see as flaws in rival theories, I mean YOUR EVIDENCE for your theory. Go ahead.

      November 19, 2012 at 11:57 pm |
    • Derek

      It's absolutely disgusting to me that men and women who are in charge of this entire country are guided by their belief in a fairy tale full of misinformation, FALSE information, and rhetoric which quite literally forces them to ignore the evidence existing in the world around them. To act as though the age of the earth is a "great mystery" is absolutely confounding to me, and it's incredible that someone in a powerful position in this country is so unintelligent as to believe that utter nonsense.

      November 20, 2012 at 12:04 am |
    • Mike Buck

      Colin – The three best people to discuss the history of the earth are the RepublCONS on the Science Committee!

      November 20, 2012 at 12:09 am |
    • lionlylamb

      Dissenting Opinion et al,

      The questions when asked about the ages of spatial nebulas, galaxy clusters and solar systems should be considered as Godly Time verses our understandings of earth based times. For God's Timeframe only a season has lapsed by and say a billion years have thusly lapsed by earth time. Within the gospel is written, Psalms 90:4 "For a thousand years in thy sight [are but] as yesterday when it is past, and [as] a watch in the night." I see nothing wrong in understandings toward our science's age theories. In fact I stand resolute and in favor of it. The theories of inward inter-cosmological paradigms and outward paradigms of cosmological comparisons is truly where sciences should consider and bible based theologians should also.

      November 20, 2012 at 12:21 am |
    • LoLo

      @Derek
      Would it surprise anyone if GOP government leaders relied on voodoo, or magic to battle our enemies? Why not? It would make about as much sense as creationism.

      November 20, 2012 at 12:22 am |
    • Athy

      Evolution is way easier to believe than creation. Creation takes an impossible leap of faith.

      November 20, 2012 at 12:24 am |
    • End Religion

      @DisOp: "Rubio has a lot more guts than most of the group-thinkers commenting on this website."

      Group thinkers? I know it's a stretch to call religious people "thinkers" but you realize that unfortunately a majority of U.S. citizens consider themselves a believer? There's your group-think.

      ***
      "If any of you would open your minds even a little bit, you would see that there are huge leaps of faith required to believe in universal evolution – more faith than I have."

      Religion is about "opening your heart" or "opening your mind to the possibility". Science is about following facts. Evolution requires the same faith as it takes to believe 2+2=4. Now faith in imaginary beings... that requires total submission and blind faith.

      ***
      "All Rubio is doing is daring to suggest that its a discussion worth having."

      Absolutely not what he's doing. He is pandering to the religious zealots who closed their minds to fact. The discussion's been had. The proof for evolution exists, and along with many other lines of proof in geology, etc., rules out the earth being created in less than 4 billion years.

      ***
      "Is anybody on this website willing to listen? Or will you all prove your closed-minded arrogance by mocking anyone who disagrees?"

      There is zero reason to waste time on listening to the same tired arguments. Game over. Throw your bible out and grow up.

      November 20, 2012 at 12:34 am |
    • Ken

      Evolution works by natural processes, but creationism requires the equivalent of believing in magic.

      November 20, 2012 at 12:37 am |
    • Rich

      During the GQ interview, Rubio argued that “there are multiple theories out there on how the universe was created and I think this is a country where people should have the opportunity to teach them all.”

      Actually, I believe that it doesn't matter one bit if Rubio understands evolution. He's not a doctor so he is unlikely to kill any one due to his ignorance. However, he states that he supports teaching religion in public schools, and with that I have a problem. If you want to teach your kids science from a a biblical perspective, do it at home or fork over the cash to send them to a private religious school. For 99% of people, it won't matter.

      November 20, 2012 at 12:43 am |
    • Blessed are the Cheese makers

      No there is not, evolution is not even a question among scientists. Rubio is just playing to the religious right. If he really doesn't know what the evidence says about the age of the earth he is a tool and has no business leading a Boy Scout Troop....much less this country.

      November 20, 2012 at 12:50 am |
    • Rich

      Did you hear the one about the guy wh wanted to "teach the controversy" and then found out there wasn't one?

      November 20, 2012 at 12:59 am |
    • Dissenting Opinion

      Why universal evolution takes more faith than creation:
      1. You have to believe that the entire universe – including all the physical laws - came from NOTHING.
      2. You have to believe that stars could somehow turn Hydrogen into all 92 elements.
      3. You have to believe that life came from non-life.
      You accuse creationists of believing in "magic." Well an evolutionist also believes in the "magic" of deep time. Somehow when a scientist throws millions of years at a patently impossible process, it suddenly becomes possible. That's nothing but blind faith.

      November 20, 2012 at 1:22 am |
    • Damocles

      @DO

      So you insert a being that came from Nowhere and took Nothing and made it Something and somehow that makes the pill easier to swallow?

      November 20, 2012 at 1:26 am |
    • >

      _Dissenting Opinion

      You forgot #4

      You must accept only the evidence that coincides with your framework. This of course means excluding all other evidence. Never mind that perspective helps eliminate preconceived notions.

      Preconceived notions leave no room for perspective.

      November 20, 2012 at 1:38 am |
    • End Religion

      @DisOp: why do I have to believe those things?

      November 20, 2012 at 1:49 am |
    • Rich

      @ less than

      Can you give an example?

      November 20, 2012 at 2:18 am |
  19. omg

    Why does this even matter. Intelligent and reasonable people would accept his belief as his and go past this small issue. Most people who place there faith in evolution don't even understand the process itself. They don't understand that there a holes in the theory of evolution and the big bang theory. we forget that these are theories and as such they need the faith of people to survive.

    November 19, 2012 at 11:50 pm |
    • Gadflie

      Really? Please tell me a hole in the theory of evolution. Not in the data supporting it, in the theory itself. And, BTW, you obviously have no clue what the word "theory" means in a scientific sense. I recommend you find out before you post again to avoid looking ignorant.

      November 19, 2012 at 11:52 pm |
    • End Religion

      you've got to be kidding me.... please cite the source for these holes that we don't understand.

      November 19, 2012 at 11:59 pm |
    • hedge1

      here is a hole in the theory of evolution. Not one past or present example has ever been found.

      November 19, 2012 at 11:59 pm |
    • Colin

      hedge 1 – google "examples of modern speciation" you wil lfind at least half a dozen publishe, well supported examples.

      November 20, 2012 at 12:01 am |
    • Athy

      So describe these so-called "holes." for us. And it's "their," not "there."

      November 20, 2012 at 12:03 am |
    • Gadflie

      Hedge, tell that to the people who have to develop new insecticides all the time. And, speciation has been observed in a lab setting. Try to keep up, ok?

      November 20, 2012 at 12:04 am |
    • lionlylamb

      Theoretical science is just that! Theories! It is you mobs and masses of vested undulations having very little senses regarding any formulative dichotomies let alone a rational perspective regarding any branches of figurative reasonings Or better yet many of you are but dumb futzes and stupid klutzes always yearning to spit rather than make sound gestures of solemness whenever you seriously should question things!

      November 20, 2012 at 12:09 am |
    • Athy

      Hedge1
      You dolt. Every fucking living thing you see is an example of evolution. You can't really be that stupid, can you? Sadly, you probably can.

      November 20, 2012 at 12:14 am |
    • Gadflie

      Lionlambthing, it's amusing seeing you state that we should question things.

      November 20, 2012 at 12:14 am |
    • manbearpig

      lion-
      I know you're try to sound intelligent, but you're failing at it. Miserably.

      November 20, 2012 at 12:16 am |
    • heliocracy

      On the contrary, it's people who don't believe in evolution that don't understand it. I can't count the number of times I've heard a Bible-thumper say, "There's no way a gorilla gave birth to a human being!"

      November 20, 2012 at 12:16 am |
    • tallulah13

      omg:

      This man is being touted as the next republican presidential candidate. That is why this matters. This nation can't afford to have a leader who is scientifically illiterate.

      November 20, 2012 at 12:21 am |
    • lionlylamb

      Attention all school aged children! It will soon be beddie by time and make sure you all have your favorite stuffed toy to take with you when you go to lolla lands!

      November 20, 2012 at 12:29 am |
    • LoLo

      @omg
      The Twin Prime Conjecture is one of many unsolved mysteries of mathematics, but does it in any way disprove all mathematics? We are learning more about evolution theory every day, and what we are learning makes the picture clearer. In no way does any new discovery cast doubt on evolution. There are no "holes" in the soundness of evolution theory.

      November 20, 2012 at 12:32 am |
    • Pendy

      Tallula13 – We have one now.

      November 20, 2012 at 12:35 am |
    • Rich

      Whoa! you guys are being kinda rough on omg. It's not his fault nobody told him that scientific theories and wild a$$ guesses are not the same things.

      November 20, 2012 at 1:04 am |
    • tallulah13

      Pendy, you must have slept through election day. Romney lost.

      November 20, 2012 at 2:34 am |
  20. Reality

    Mr. Rubio might be part Ne-anderthal making his education a bit more difficult. Maybe all political leaders should have their DNA checked for this. Tis rather inexpensive:

    As per National Geographic's Genographic project:

    https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/

    " DNA studies suggest that all humans today descend from a group of African ancestors who about 60,000 years ago began a remarkable journey. Follow the journey from them to you as written in your genes”.

    "Adam" is the common male ancestor of every living man. He lived in Africa some 60,000+ years ago, with the first modern h-omo sapiens appearing in Africa some 200,000 years ago, which means that all humans lived in Africa at least at that time.

    Unlike his Biblical namesake, this Adam was not the only man alive in his era. Rather, he is unique because his descendents are the only ones to survive.

    It is important to note that Adam does not literally represent the first human. He is the coalescence point of all the genetic diversity."

    For your $199 and a DNA swab:

    "Included in the markers we will test for is a subset that scientists have recently determined to be from our h-ominin cousins, Ne-anderthals and the newly discovered Denisovans, who split from our lineage around 500,000 years ago. As modern humans were first migrating out of Africa more than 60,000 years ago, Neanderthals and Denisovans were still alive and well in Eurasia. It seems that our ancestors met, leaving a small genetic trace of these ancient relatives in our DNA. With Geno 2.0, you will learn if you have any Neanderthal or Denisovan DNA in your genome."

    Mr. Rubio would be wise to check the human evolution time line featured at before his next news conference. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_human_evolution#First_living_beings

    November 19, 2012 at 11:48 pm |
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