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Rubio ignites debate with answer about creationism
November 19th, 2012
04:19 PM ET

Rubio ignites debate with answer about creationism

By Dan Merica and Eric Marrapodi, CNN

Washington (CNN) – Florida Sen. Marco Rubio attempted to walk the line between science and faith-based creationism in remarks that that have provoked the ire of liberal blogs, leaving the door open to creationism in responding to a recent question about the age of the Earth.

When GQ’s Michal Hainey asked Rubio, in an interview released Monday, “How old do you think the Earth is,” the rising Republican star described the debate about the planet’s age as “one of the great mysteries.”

“I'm not a scientist, man,” Rubio told the interviewer. “I can tell you what recorded history says, I can tell you what the Bible says, but I think that's a dispute amongst theologians and I think it has nothing to do with the gross domestic product or economic growth of the United States.”

“Whether the Earth was created in seven days, or seven actual eras,” Rubio continued, “I'm not sure we'll ever be able to answer that. It's one of the great mysteries.”

Most scientists agree that the Earth is 4.5 billion years old and the universe is 14.5 billion years old. Christian Young Earth Creationists, on the other hand, argue that the weeklong account of God creating the Earth and everything in it represents six 24-hour periods (plus one day of rest) and date the age of the Earth between 6,000 and 10,000 years.

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Left-leaning blogs and sites like ThinkProgress and Huffington Post jumped on Rubio’s comments, with the Zack Beauchamp from ThingProgress writing, “To suggest we can’t know how old the Earth is, then, is to deny the validity of these scientific methods altogether — a maneuver familiar to Rubio, who also denies the reality of anthropogenic climate change.”

Rubio is regarded as a possible Republican presidential candidate in 2016, though the senator says his visit last week to Iowa, home of the first-in-the-nation presidential caucuses, had “nothing to do with 2016.”

His response to GQ’s age of the Earth query has also provoked questions about his political aspirations. Dave Weigel of Slate writes, “How can you read that and not think ‘Iowa’? ” The state is the first to hold a presidential caucus in 2016.

Forty-six percent of Americans believe that God created humans in their present form at one point within the past 10,000 years, according to a survey released by Gallup in June. That number has remained unchanged for the past 30 years, since 1982, when Gallup first asked the question on creationism versus evolution.

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The second most common view is that humans evolved with God's guidance - a view held by 32% of respondents. The view that humans evolved with no guidance from God was held by 15% of respondents.

The Gallup poll has not specifically asked about views on the age of the Earth.

Rubio attends a Baptist church in southern Florida but also considers himself “a practicing Catholic.”

He was born Catholic, but his family converted to Mormonism when Rubio was 8 years old, according to Rubio’s recent memoir. The family left its LDS faith behind when it moved from Nevada back to Florida and Rubio was confirmed in the Catholic Church.

Catholic teaching is that science and faith are not at odds with one another and it is possible to believe what scientists say about the Earth’s age and in God. But many evangelical churches, including Baptist ones, promote a version of creationism.

When CNN reached out to Rubio’s Baptist church in Florida on Monday, a person answering the phone would not comment on its teachings about the Earth’s age and said that a church representative was unlikely to be available in the near term.

During the GQ interview, Rubio argued that “there are multiple theories out there on how the universe was created and I think this is a country where people should have the opportunity to teach them all.”

For the past 30 years, the “equal-time argument” –- the idea that Creationism taught alongside evolution -– has been popular method for Creationists to advance their cause. In the late 1980s, some state legislatures passed bills that promoted the idea of a balanced treatment of both ideas in the classroom.

In 1987, the issue made it all the way to the Supreme Court, where a Louisiana "equal-time law" was struck down. The court ruled that teaching creationism in public school classrooms was a violation of the Establishment Cause in the Constitution, which is commonly referred to as the separation of church and state.

- Dan Merica

Filed under: Creationism • Politics

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  1. Damocles

    An external agent could be anything so it is as likely to be deific as it is to be some form of hyperintelligent squash. An external agent leads to an infinite number of possibilities, all of equal value.

    November 23, 2012 at 9:50 pm |
    • Rational Libertarian

      That isn't necessarily true. One can argue that no hypothesis has any value without proof, but surely the hypothesis that we were created by intelligent live in another dimension holds more value than the hypothesis that we were created by an evil deity with a predilection for infanticide and his magic carpenter son.

      November 23, 2012 at 9:59 pm |
    • Damocles

      @RL

      An external agent is a philosophical debate. 'Oh, let's think about why cosmic bunnies would have created us' and so on. Plug in some far-fetched thing as the external agent and see where it takes you.

      November 23, 2012 at 10:10 pm |
    • EnjaySea

      I think that a deity, if one existed, would be more likely to be just about anything imaginable, other than the vile, spoiled adolescent described in the Bible.

      November 23, 2012 at 10:18 pm |
    • the AnViL

      there is absolutely NOTHING in the standard model that points to an "external agent".

      if by some stretch of the imagination all the work we're doing at the LHC, or anywhere else... points to an "external agent" – we'll let you know.

      but don't hold your breath.

      November 23, 2012 at 10:28 pm |
    • Damocles

      @enjay

      Yes and it's where a lot of believers stumble. They want to believe in an 'everything' deity who is only good and loving. It can't be like that. If it's everything, then it's good/evil/loving/hateful/witty/dull/etc etc. The problem with an everything deity is that, ultimately, it is nothing, or everything is in equal parts and essentially nothing.

      November 23, 2012 at 10:28 pm |
    • Damocles

      @anvil

      I never said there was an external agent, my original post was intended as a response to another post, but I forgot to hit the reply button. I'm just saying that if you make an argument for an external agent, then you are leaving it open to anything being that agent.

      November 23, 2012 at 10:32 pm |
    • Rational Libertarian

      Anvil

      It doesn't hurt to muse and wonder at existence.

      November 23, 2012 at 10:33 pm |
    • EnjaySea

      Right, Damocles, I do agree that whereas no one has proven either the existence or the non-existence of a deity, the contradictions in the biblical deity are numerous enough that we can safely rule out that particular entity.

      November 23, 2012 at 10:33 pm |
    • Damocles

      Who knows? Humans would have such a hard time describing what would naturally be a being that would be impossible to describe. Contradictions are inevitable.

      November 23, 2012 at 10:38 pm |
    • the AnViL

      "if you make an argument for an external agent, then you are leaving it open to anything being that agent."

      well – in that case – i'd opt for a magical bunny that poops rainbows.

      seems reasonable.

      November 23, 2012 at 10:39 pm |
    • Damocles

      @anvil

      That's funny because I mentioned something about rainbow farting unicorns earlier.

      November 23, 2012 at 10:41 pm |
    • Rational Libertarian

      If we made it a rainbow farting unicorn who massacres non-believers then maybe we could convert the Abrahamists.

      November 23, 2012 at 10:51 pm |
    • Damocles

      @RL

      Funny how a relgion has to be all about a certain group of people before they can get behind it.

      November 23, 2012 at 10:56 pm |
    • pjt

      @the AnViL '"if you make an argument for an external agent, then you are leaving it open to anything being that agent."

      well – in that case – i'd opt for a magical bunny that poops rainbows.'

      What! How dare you place your bunny above the Flying Spaghetti Monster [Bless his noodly appendages] – ypu will spend eternity in his vat of sauce!

      November 24, 2012 at 10:49 am |
    • the AnViL

      pjt: out of fear of the threat of eternal damnation – i repent.

      i hope to find forgiveness.

      thank you for saving me. I'M SAVED!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      November 24, 2012 at 12:25 pm |
  2. Pedro

    Life always comes from preexisting life. Evolution is a myth, it is nothing more then a unproven theory. The earth was not created in 7 literal days, besides the bible says one day is a thousand years to God, so it took more then a week in human terms

    November 23, 2012 at 9:39 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      In god years I am 16,425,000 years old.

      November 23, 2012 at 9:43 pm |
    • Rational Libertarian

      Anybody who refuses to accept evolution is mightily retarded.

      November 23, 2012 at 9:45 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      Rational Libertarian,

      Your playing the name blame game pleases only the one playing it. :-(

      November 23, 2012 at 9:54 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      Pedro,

      Four Biblical Quotes to Keep on one's Mind

      Mathew 6:33 "But seek ye first the kingdom of God!"

      Luke 17:21, "The kingdom of God is inside you!"

      John 18:36 Jesus answered, "My kingdom is not of this world!"

      1Corinthians 3:9 "For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, [ye are] God's building!"

      November 23, 2012 at 9:57 pm |
    • Rational Libertarian

      Lamb

      I have no idea what you mean.

      November 23, 2012 at 10:00 pm |
    • EnjaySea

      Well, Pedro, trying to prove that the Bible is true by quoting the Bible doesn't hold much water.

      November 23, 2012 at 10:11 pm |
    • Gadflie

      So, which life did God come from? Or is he dead?

      November 23, 2012 at 10:51 pm |
    • the AnViL

      i really want to believe pedro is just trolling. i hate to think people are this stupid, but i know they are.

      it's just sad.

      November 24, 2012 at 1:20 am |
    • lol??

      Anvil, don't be sad. You can see alchemy any day of the week on the internet. Just check out the space pictures of the stars. Get high on creation.

      November 24, 2012 at 6:51 am |
    • lol??

      BTW anvil, no need for emotional blackmail from just another girly man. No tears, please. The fake kind are causing the sea level to rise.

      November 24, 2012 at 7:05 am |
    • the AnViL

      lol??tard – again – i know you believe yourself to be funny and clever and witty....

      but in reality (something you obviously have a hard time grasping) – you aren't funny. you're just immature, banal, ignorant and plainly stupid. you lack substance, son.

      of course – you're unable to comprehend this... but that's ok – i'm happy to point these things out.

      consider it a public service.

      November 24, 2012 at 11:47 am |
    • lol??

      Anvil, you have completely misread me. I'm just practicing and trying to come up with material for my night job.

      November 24, 2012 at 6:23 pm |
    • the AnViL

      uh huh... don't quit your day job, princess.

      November 24, 2012 at 7:22 pm |
  3. Dave Harris

    Morons, praying to their god to show up and murder anybody who doesn't attend their church, are no basis for a system of governance. Supreme executive power lies in the people, and not just the people who think their god faked all the fossils to test their faith.

    November 23, 2012 at 9:39 pm |
    • lol??

      Standard Christian doctrine:"1Cr 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness." Complain to your mommy.

      November 24, 2012 at 7:14 am |
  4. Chad

    Q.Senator, if one of your daughters asked you—and maybe they already have—“Daddy, did god really create the world in 6 days?,” what would you say?

    Senator Barack Sen. Obama, D-Ill., speaking at the Compassion Forum at Messiah College in Grantham, Pa. on April 13, 2008::

    What I've said to them is that I believe that God created the universe and that the six days in the Bible may not be six days as we understand it … it may not be 24-hour days, and that's what I believe. I know there's always a debate between those who read the Bible literally and those who don't, and I think it's a legitimate debate within the Christian community of which I'm a part. My belief is that the story that the Bible tells about God creating this magnificent Earth on which we live—that is essentially true, that is fundamentally true. Now, whether it happened exactly as we might understand it reading the text of the Bible: That, I don't presume to know.

    November 23, 2012 at 8:20 pm |

    • What do you believe Chad?

      November 23, 2012 at 8:22 pm |
    • In Santa we trust

      He did go on to say he believes in evolution. He does lean more towards science than Rubio. And Republicans and fundies tend to deny science all the time, so maybe it feels like more of the same.

      November 23, 2012 at 8:30 pm |
    • Chad

      "What do you believe Chad?"

      I believe the bible,

      Then the Lord God formed a man[c] from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being Genesis 2

      By the sweat of your brow
      you will eat your food
      until you return to the ground,
      since from it you were taken;
      for dust you are
      and to dust you will return.”
      Genesis 3

      November 23, 2012 at 8:35 pm |
    • In Santa we trust

      He did go on to say he believes in evolution. He does lean more towards science than Rubio. And Republicans and fundies tend to deny science all the time, so maybe it feels like more of the same.

      November 23, 2012 at 8:40 pm |
    • In Santa we trust

      So Chad, according to the bible, Noah and a few family members were the only human survivors of the flood. Where did the rest of the races come from? Africans, Asians, Native Americans, Europeans, etc.? That must be evidence of evolution.

      November 23, 2012 at 8:43 pm |

    • How much of that is figurative Chad? How much room is there for interpretation?

      November 23, 2012 at 8:47 pm |
    • EnjaySea

      Well, that is true Chad. Obama is a Christian. I voted for him anyway.

      If an atheist had been running, I would have voted for the atheist instead. But I'd rather have a moderate Christian in office than a hard-right, religious fanatic. So, I'm pretty comfortable with the outcome.

      November 23, 2012 at 8:59 pm |
    • Rational Libertarian

      Enjay

      Would yoyu actually vote for somebody just because they are an atheist?

      November 23, 2012 at 9:49 pm |
    • EnjaySea

      No, Rational Libertarian, I suppose I wouldn't. The candidate would also have to not be an idiot either I suppose. But if everything else was equal, then yes. I'd vote for someone rational over someone who operated his life based on mythology.

      November 23, 2012 at 10:04 pm |
    • Rational Libertarian

      A reasoned response.

      November 23, 2012 at 10:09 pm |
  5. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things,

    November 23, 2012 at 8:13 pm |
  6. Atheism is healthy for children and other living things

    Rubbio is talking like he just crawled out of a hole ;-)

    November 23, 2012 at 8:11 pm |
    • lol??

      Is that the voice of experience speaking? Give it another go, you almost made it. One more old college try.

      November 23, 2012 at 8:17 pm |
  7. kindness

    This is my experience... Thank you.

    MY personal testimony.
    A thought to consider without an ego response

    I Accepted Jesus christ as my lord and saviour. You never know how soon is too late. Transcend the worldly illusion of enslavement.
    The world denounces truth....

    Accepting Jesus Christ (for me) resulted in something like seeng a new colour. You will see it .....but will not be able to clearly explain it to anyone else..... Its meant to be that way to transend any selfism within you.

    Also... much the world arranges "surrounding dark matter into something to be debated" in such a way that protects/inflates the ego.

    The key is be present and transcend our own desire to physically see evidence. We don't know anyways by defending our own perception of dark matter.

    Currently.... most of us are constructing our own path that suits our sin lifestyle. Were all sinners. Knowing that we are is often an issue. But both christians and non are sinners. Even once we are saved by christs merciful grace we will still experience adversity to mold us to adhering to the truth.
    We will slip... But not fall of the ship ...carrying us onward to perfection in christs grace.

    We don't like to Let go and let god. We want control to some degree. This is what Jesus asks us to do. "Follow me".
    It's the hardest thing to do... but is done by letting the truth of scripture lead you (redemptive revelation)... as I said .

    Try reading corinthians and see if it makes sense to you. Try it without a pre conceived notion of it being a fairy tale.
    See the truth...
    do we do what it says in todays society... is it relevant... so many have not recently read and only hinge their philosophy on what they have heard from some other person...which may have been full of arogance pride or vanity..

    Look closely at the economy ponzi, look at how society idolizes Lust , greed , envy, sloth, pride of life, desire for knowledge, desire for power, desire for revencge,gluttony with food etc .

    Trancsend the temporal world.

    Just think if you can find any truth you can take with you ....in any of these things. When you die your riches go to someone who will spend away your life..... You will be forgotten.... history will repeat iteslf.... the greatest minds knowledge fade or are eventually plagerzed..... your good deeds will be forgotten and only give you a fleeting temporary reward . your learned teachings are forgotten or mutated..... your gold is transfered back to the rullers that rule you through deception. Your grave will grow over . This is truth .

    Trancsend your egoism and free yourself from this dominion of satan. Understand you are a sinner and part of the collective problem of this worldly matrix... Repent.... Repent means knowing (to change) The Holy spirit (within) will convict you beyond what you think you can do by yourself. Grace is given to those who renounce the world. That are" in" the world but not "of " the world.

    Evidence follows faith. Faith does not follow evidence..... Faith ....above reason in Jesus Christ.

    Faith comes by Reading or Hearing the word of god from the bible . Ask Jesus in faith for dicernment and start reading the new testament... You will be shocked when you lay down your preconceived notions and ....see and hear truth ... see how christ sets an example ... feel the truth....

    Read Ecclesiastes. Read romans or corinthians.

    You cant trancend your own egoism by adapting a world philosophy to suit your needs. Seek the truth in Christ.

    Sell all your cleverness and purchase true bewilderment. You don't get what you want ....you get what you are by faith above reason in christ.

    I promise this has been the truth for me. In Jesus christ .

    Think of what you really have to lose. ...your ego?

    Break the Matrix of illusion that holds your senses captive.

    once you do . you too will have the wisdom of God that comes only through the Holy Spirit. Saved By grace through Faith. Just like seeing a new colour.... can't explain it to a transient caught in the matrix of worldly deception.
    You will also see how the world suppresses this information and distorts it

    You're all smart people . I tell the truth. Its hard to think out of the box when earthly thinking is the box.
    I'ts a personal free experience you can do it free anytime . Don't wait till you are about to die.. START PUTTING YOUR TREASURES WHERE THEY REALLY MATTER >
    Its awsome and It's just between you and Jesus

    my testimony

    Romans 10:9

    "If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved

    Last eve I passed beside a blacksmith’s door,
    And heard the anvil ring the vesper chime;
    The, looking in, I saw upon the floor
    Old hammers, worn with beating years of time.
    “How many anvils have you had,” said I,
    “To wear and batter all these hammers so?”
    “Just one,” said he, and then with twinkling eye,
    “The anvil wears the hammers out, you know.”
    And so, thought I, the anvil of God’s Word,
    For ages skeptic blows have beat upon;
    Yet, though the noise of falling blows was heard,
    The anvil is unharmed – the hammers gone.

    Truth is..exclusive

    November 23, 2012 at 6:40 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      Your arguments are morally bankrupt.

      November 23, 2012 at 7:02 pm |
    • NoFun

      This is the way Christianity always starts: You are a worthless sinner. Worthless I tell ya. Only if you submit totally to my dogma can you be you. It is really just a hatred of humanity and self and a cure for a problem it creates itself. The only reason you feel good about believing is because your religion has made you feel bad about yourself beforehand. Likewise death. It invents a soul which is a vehicle to further terrify you as this soul will experience its own death and thus witness you being torn away from everything you know and love. Who wouldn't want to cling to some supernatural savior to shield them from that horror. I , as an atheist, can truly say I do not fear death. Why, because I am really brave? Because I know everything? No. It simply because there is no evidence for souls, gods and magic. It if doesn't exist, it doesn't matter. The only thing I will experience when I die will be the last moments of my life and life is nothing to fear. That is far more comforting than the complex interplay of supernatural souls, gods heavens, hells, judgements and dogma. Religion is a con and a lie and in the 21 st century is not at all comforting. You don't need it to live, to be moral or to die. Here endth the lesson.

      November 23, 2012 at 7:44 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @kindness:

      you said: "MY personal testimony.
      A thought to consider without an ego response"

      Is 'testifying' not an exercise of your ego in itself?

      November 23, 2012 at 7:51 pm |
  8. lol??

    The Big O wants all perps to get high on education. Send us all to Harvard where grades don't count.

    November 23, 2012 at 4:05 pm |
    • chuck

      Awwww..... that's sweet, princess. Did someone's diaper wearing Mormon messiah lose the election?? Just keep running this brain dead filth. You'll never win another election. Thank you, Jesus. You still love America.

      November 23, 2012 at 5:50 pm |
    • lol??

      "The early motto of Harvard was Veritas Christo et Ecclesiae, meaning "Truth for Christ and the Church." Now it's "How Much You Got? We'll Take It." Let's hear some talk about "separation of church and state".

      November 23, 2012 at 7:16 pm |
    • lol??

      Saying, "Truth for Christ" is like saying, "Christ for Christ.". HHHhmmmm.

      November 23, 2012 at 7:21 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      lol, you're an idiot. Money won't get you into Harvard, and it won't get you a degree there, either.

      But you wouldn't know that, having been rejected by Lower Podunk Community College.

      November 23, 2012 at 7:23 pm |
    • lol??

      chuckie, you still got REID blowing in the reeds. He shall come rejoicing blowing in the reeds.

      November 23, 2012 at 7:30 pm |
    • lol??

      Oh, but Pipe, they get paid well. Unless you believe in that funny money from the fed.

      November 23, 2012 at 7:33 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Oh, get a clue.

      November 23, 2012 at 7:37 pm |
    • lol??

      Moby Schtick became an evangelical and now TT the Piper. Strange things going on here today. Everybody serves one way or another.

      November 23, 2012 at 7:44 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Yes, and you serve as the village idiot.

      November 23, 2012 at 10:54 pm |
    • lol??

      AAhh, a Two-Faced Servant. You did well naming em both. So, TT, have you realized it yet that one of the Queens of Babylon, AKA, "It Takes a Village" Hillary, was lyin' to ya? Nah, you'll never wise up. It actually takes TWO villages. The example was Sodom and Gomorrah. Otherwise how could God cut off two parts? They had quite the demobocracy for a gubmint.

      November 24, 2012 at 6:27 am |
  9. Evangelical

    All you who put their faith in science are going to have a rude awakening come judgment.

    November 23, 2012 at 1:16 pm |
    • Huebert

      More empty proxy threats from the Christian Taliban.

      November 23, 2012 at 1:25 pm |
    • Attack of the 50 Foot Magical Underwear

      Hey, Evan – you believe your god created people, correct? And your god gave people the biggest, juiciest most powerful brains, right? Why would your god give us such powerful and amazing brains if he didn't want us to use those brains to their fullest extent? Rather pointless and wasteful to give people brains, then punish them for using those brains, right?

      So, ever consider that this who "blind faith" thing is really a test? I mean, if god can do anything (surely the very definition of a god) then god could set things up to see who uses their brains, and who uses blind faith, right?

      And no doubt you are not claiming that you are smarter than god, and that you know what god is doing, and why, right?

      So, really, you have no way of knowing, and you are left with this thought: what if you are wrong? What if your faith has blinded you? What if you are failing in the eyes of your god, because you are NOT using that brain he gave you. Because – let's be honest here – you have NO WAY of knowing.

      Hmmm – kinda makes you think, doesn't it?

      November 23, 2012 at 1:33 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      Evangelical.

      Your all loving god is going to burn us for unbelief.

      I will not worship anything under threat, and the fact that you do just shows you are in an abusive relationship with your god....good luck with that. Your god is an asshat.

      November 23, 2012 at 1:50 pm |
    • Evangelical

      @Attack

      See what good your brain will do you at judgment. God gave us free will. Use it wrongly and you will burn.

      November 23, 2012 at 1:52 pm |
    • Evangelical

      @Cheese

      "not worship under threat"

      So you are saying that you are willing to burn in hell for eternity rather than worship God? Do you know how long eternity is? I doubt you could even hold your hand in a flame for 5 seconds.

      November 23, 2012 at 1:55 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      Evangelical,

      Why is unbelief a "crime" to be punished?

      November 23, 2012 at 1:58 pm |
    • GTH

      Evangelical,
      "All you who put their faith in science are going to have a rude awakening come judgment."
      -and-
      "Use it wrongly and you will burn."
      -and-
      " burn in hell for eternity rather than worship God."

      Your VERIFIED evidence that this really happens is....?

      November 23, 2012 at 1:58 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      Any god who would allow conscious beings to suffer eternally without respite is an azzhole pr!ck not worthy of anyone's worship.

      November 23, 2012 at 2:01 pm |
    • Attack of the 50 Foot Magical Underwear

      Evan, Evan, Evan – you are selling your god very, very short, and you are being very arrogant! You re setting limits on what your god can do? Your god -the creator of the universe? Why can't your god favour brains over faith? You know there is no reason. Ever apply for different jobs, that have different criteria? Construction job – more muscle required; researcher job – more brain power.

      I don't know if there is a god.
      I don't know what happens after someone dies.

      But I'm certainly not arrogant enough to claim, with certainty, what is going to happen.

      Try the humility hat on for size – it just might suit you!

      November 23, 2012 at 2:04 pm |
    • Mel

      Evangelical
      It says it all when your best, only argument against your critics is a threat of harm.

      November 23, 2012 at 2:26 pm |
    • lol??

      Moby Schtick is now an evangelical. He must have held his enemies too close.

      November 23, 2012 at 2:27 pm |
    • lol??

      Everybody serves.

      November 23, 2012 at 2:28 pm |
    • WASP

      @evan: just a stupid question.
      how do you know you are praying to the CORRECT god? seriously.
      how do you know 100% certain that the god you are praying to is the god that will save you?
      is it because your parents told you so while escorting you to sunday school?
      how about the preacher that was shouting of fire and brime stone?
      was the bible that convincing to you that it HAD to be true to the point that you just accepted it?
      has a dead loved one been resurrected by your god to come and tell you the wonders of being dead?

      so i imagine your christian because mommy and daddy were christian and instead of trying to find the answers of your importance to this world you just accepted what some re-written book from the bronze age told you to think and believe.

      well good luck on that whole heaven thing, seeing you're here judging your equals as to whom will burn and whom will not.

      November 23, 2012 at 2:30 pm |
    • pjt

      @lol – "All you who put their faith in science are going to have a rude awakening come judgment."

      It only comes down to a need for "faith" due to the fact that you have nothing else in which to base your understanding of the universe. Those who, as you say "put their faith in science" are doing nothing of the sort – there is no act of faith involved – on the contrary the evidence presented (such as in the case of the age of the Earth or the Universe) stands or falls strictly on its scientific merit: "Faith" is irrelevant. Some effort is is however, required in order to comprehend the total of the science and the evidence in question – effort that you are apparently not willing to put forth, preferring to bask in your conveniently easy faith based "alternative". Personally, I care not what you choose to do but in the case of Mr. Rubio and others in a position to make Science policy, his statements concern me greatly.

      November 23, 2012 at 2:37 pm |
    • pjt

      Corection – @Evangelical – "All you who put their faith in science are going to have a rude awakening come judgment."

      It only comes down to a need for "faith" due to the fact that you have nothing else in which to base your understanding of the universe. Those who, as you say "put their faith in science" are doing nothing of the sort – there is no act of faith involved – on the contrary the evidence presented (such as in the case of the age of the Earth or the Universe) stands or falls strictly on its scientific merit: "Faith" is irrelevant. Some effort is is however, required in order to comprehend the total of the science and the evidence in question – effort that you are apparently not willing to put forth, preferring to bask in your conveniently easy faith based "alternative". Personally, I care not what you choose to do but in the case of Mr. Rubio and others in a position to make Science policy, his statements concern me greatly.

      November 23, 2012 at 2:40 pm |
    • lol??

      Evan might be a "least" like me. The "least" do a lot of judging and that is their assignment. Sometimes it does seem tedious but I won't complain............."1Cr 6:4 If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church." Most of the practice concerning judgments here are just that, practice. Most here are still under judgment and wrath because they prefer death.

      November 23, 2012 at 2:41 pm |
    • pjt

      Hmmm, presenting biblical quotations as an incentive to _non-believers_ to change their "evil ways" seems at best circular and the least unlikely method to succeed :)

      November 23, 2012 at 3:02 pm |
    • pjt

      Make that ".....least likely method to succeed..."

      I think science is telling me I need new eye glasses :)

      November 23, 2012 at 3:07 pm |
    • Evangelical

      @WASP

      How do I know that God exists and that my God is the right one? It's not because of what my parents taught, and it's not because of anything a preacher has said. It is the result of a long spiritual journey coupled with personal experience that I have come to be a Christian.

      November 23, 2012 at 3:35 pm |
    • lol??

      pjt, shows just what you "know"......"Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper [in the thing] whereto I sent it."

      November 23, 2012 at 3:38 pm |
    • Evangelical

      @Moby Schtick

      So you are willing to risk an eternity of burning in hell because you don't like the terms? Seriously, is that your argument? Try that in a court of law. Try arguing that you should not get capital punishment for the murder you committed because you think any state that executes its citizens should not be recognized. Try that argument sometime.

      November 23, 2012 at 3:40 pm |
    • End Religion

      @eva: "Do you know how long eternity is? I doubt you could even hold your hand in a flame for 5 seconds."

      You realize humans experience pain due to the nervous system, which begins disintegrating upon death. In a few weeks to maybe 50 years (in a coffin underground) there is only bone and manmade items left of a corpse. If there were a "soul" (which of course is impossible as well, since the brain that has also disintegrated was responsible for sight, thought, movement, yadda) then that soul wouldn't be capable of feeling pain.

      Eternity in god's supposed concentration camp will be more like an awesome party. There will be endless free beer, sex to satiate even the randiest of us, and the company of apparently only the best of people. All this with no disease or even the pain of a hangover. If I were inclined to be religious I'd be looking *forward* to hell.

      November 23, 2012 at 3:59 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      "So you are willing to risk an eternity of burning in hell because you don't like the terms?"

      Evangelical,

      The christian myth is immoral and absurd. But even if it was true, I would not worship that god under threat. Might does not make right.

      November 23, 2012 at 4:02 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      @Evangelical

      No, my point is that you couldn't trust that sort of fvckwad azzhole, anyway. Any being who is willing to allow conscious beings to spend eternity in torment is a sick, disgusting freak--and sick, disgusting freaks aren't known for their trustworthiness.

      I'm saying that that sort of god is not "good." And why trust or worship a god who isn't good? In fact, why call that being god at all? In short, why worship that sort of being as god? It's your values I'm judging at this point, do you see? You'd be perfectly fine in a paradise with a god that allows others to experience eternal torment. I wouldn't be. I would be looking for any opportunity to kill that being and free those individuals in his hell.

      November 23, 2012 at 4:19 pm |
    • pjt

      @lol – let me try again:
      1) I don't believe in your 'holy' book.
      2) Quoting from your holy book (in which I don't believe) is therefore pointless.
      3) "threatening" quotes from your book only apply to people who take your book seriously.
      4) Quotes from your holy book as the basis of forcing me to believe in your holy book are especially pointless.
      5) If you persist in responding with quotes from your holy book I will have to invent my own holy book.
      Now do you get it?

      November 23, 2012 at 4:32 pm |
    • GTH

      Evangelical,
      " It is the result of a long spiritual journey coupled with personal experience that I have come to be a Christian."

      And how much did the hounding, berating and threatening by Evangelicals have to do with it?

      Leave people to their own journeys and just butt out. If there is a "Lord", and he wants them, he'll take care of it.

      November 23, 2012 at 4:45 pm |
    • lol??

      pjt, 1-check, 2-check, 3-check, 4-check, 5-check, 6-check.............."...........Rev 22:21 you all. Amen."

      November 23, 2012 at 4:46 pm |
    • lol??

      GTH, if God wanted us to be evilutionists, He wouldn't claim to be the Creator. So tell your socie-commie pals in the gubmint, with their common ancestor, to but out.

      November 23, 2012 at 4:53 pm |
    • Evangelical

      lol, evilutionists ... I'm going to have to remember that one.

      November 23, 2012 at 9:06 pm |
    • Damocles

      @evan

      Yeah, it's always a good idea to have a new name to call somebody when your arguments fail.

      November 23, 2012 at 9:11 pm |
    • Evangelical

      If you people choose hell, I am very sorry. Never say that God will throw you in hell. You have chosen it of your own free will. Hell is not a party. The Bible is clear: there will be much wailing and gnashing of teeth. You don't realize that this will occur for an eternity. An eternity. That means there will be no respites and no end. Just burning for eternity. But, as my preacher says, it takes a lot of sinners burning in hell to keep God's people warm in Heaven.

      November 23, 2012 at 9:12 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      That god allows hell to exist at all-–as any choice--for any soul, is disgusting. If god is all powerful than he should get rid of hell. If he doesn't, then he's an untrustworthy dovchenozzle. Enjoy your dovchenozzle, Evangelical; worshiping it only makes your more like him every day.

      November 23, 2012 at 9:14 pm |
    • Damocles

      @eva

      Ahhh so your preacher says your deity burns people for the warmth and comfort of others? If I walked the streets spouting off that kind of nonsense I'd be locked away.

      November 23, 2012 at 9:18 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      Evangelical,

      A mob boss claims that if he has to break your legs it is your choice, not his.

      So you worshio a mob boss.

      November 23, 2012 at 9:34 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      "But, as my preacher says, it takes a lot of sinners burning in hell to keep God's people warm in Heaven."

      More proof you and your preacher worship an immoral asshat.

      November 23, 2012 at 9:40 pm |
    • Rational Libertarian

      I sense a troll.

      November 23, 2012 at 9:47 pm |
    • EnjaySea

      I don't believe you Evangelical. Neither you nor anyone else in recorded history has ever offerered even one shred of evidence that this is true. Or are you suggesting that I believe the hysterical nightmares of John the Revelator?

      I don't hardly think so.

      November 23, 2012 at 10:09 pm |
    • Evangelical

      @EnjaySea

      If you don't like the words of John, consider the words of Jesus who plainly talks about hell as a place where there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

      November 23, 2012 at 10:46 pm |
    • Evangelical

      @Moby Schtick

      If God got rid of hell, he would be getting rid of free will. Good is meaningless in the absence of evil. Heaven is meaningless in the absence of hell. And there has to be a way for God to mete out justice.

      November 23, 2012 at 10:49 pm |
    • Gadflie

      Yours won't be rude, it's impossible to be effectively rude to a dead person. But, there will be no "awakening".

      November 23, 2012 at 10:53 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      @Evangelical

      Oh, bullsh!t, god can get rid of hell and still have free will. That's like saying Saddam Hussein couldn't have law without torture chambers. Free will is not dependent upon there being neverending torture somewhere for some people. Use your brain.

      November 23, 2012 at 11:57 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      And to the rest of your post, of course there could be heaven without hell. If you're a guest in my house, I can offer everybody cake without telling you if you don't accept the cake, I stab you in the eye with a steak knife. And just how weak and pathetic is your god that he can't have one without the other. Is your god really so weak that he can't have just heaven without hell?

      "Mete out justice?" What is just about eternal punishment for a finite offense? If your new puppy pees on the rug, do you beat him nonstop for the 15 years he lives until the moment he dies?

      November 24, 2012 at 12:02 am |
    • EnjaySea

      Actually no, Evangelical, I won't consider the words of Jesus, or any other words in your Bible. I don't believe in the veracity of men writing down philosophy then lying to their readers, claiming it was some deity who whispered the words to them. It's the oldest, and longest running con in human history, and I'm not gullible enough to buy it.

      But you're free to. And I'm free to ignore it.

      November 24, 2012 at 2:45 am |
    • Blessed are the Cheese makers

      Evangelical,

      It is not justice to punish anyone for unbelief.....

      November 24, 2012 at 2:52 am |
    • lol??

      flie sayz, "....Yours won't be rude, it's impossible to be effectively rude to a dead person...." Dude, that's 180 outta phase with your complaint about my comment on Darwin. Did you actually learn something? That would be a miracle. Jesus is the God of the Living.

      November 24, 2012 at 7:34 am |
    • lol??

      Poor, pitiful, Moby. Complaining about justice, AGAIN!

      November 24, 2012 at 7:38 am |
  10. Attack of the 50 Foot Magical Underwear

    Hey, lol?? – Why are you using one of those science-y computer thingies to communicate? Why don't you just sit in your parent's basement, and pray really hard that your words appear in these comments. Try that one for size. Surely your god can do that, right?

    November 23, 2012 at 1:03 pm |
    • lol??

      Sounds like you have been practicing making provocative statements......"Jer 7:19 Do they provoke me to anger? saith the LORD: [do they] not [provoke] themselves to the confusion of their own faces?" Just don't get confused.
      '

      November 23, 2012 at 1:59 pm |
    • Attack of the 50 Foot Magical Underwear

      Let me guess – you typed that last comment out on a keyboard attached to a computer connected to the internet, right? Your god didn't come down and make that comment suddenly appear on my screen, right?

      Yeah, science – it really shouldn't be trusted at all, should it?

      November 23, 2012 at 2:07 pm |
  11. Evolution is true

    I wonder if Rubio will convince people that the "power of prayer" is better than seeking medical help.

    November 23, 2012 at 1:01 pm |
  12. Evolution is true

    Religion flies planes into buildnig
    Scienec flies you to the moon

    November 23, 2012 at 12:57 pm |
    • Evangelical

      Science creates the planes that fly you into buildings.

      November 23, 2012 at 1:10 pm |
    • Mel

      Evangelical
      It's all about motivation, baby! Scientists haven't been motivated to kill, just create and discover. There's been a lot of religious and political motivation to take what science has made and use it to kill.

      November 23, 2012 at 1:21 pm |
    • lol??

      Mel doesn't know about WWII and da BOMB.

      November 23, 2012 at 2:32 pm |
    • WASP

      @evan:
      hey ass planes can't fly without someone piloting them, not even the drones that we have fly on their own ability.
      drones are controlled miles away by a "ground-based pilot".

      so planes fly into buildings because crazies fly them there.

      your statement is like saying "guns ki11 people". guns don't ki11 people, people with guns ki11 people. id10t

      November 23, 2012 at 2:36 pm |
    • lol??

      The psyentific, psychopathic, sociopathic socialists are not above covertly doing their experiments on the populace of the Masters. Plenty of evidence for that.

      November 23, 2012 at 2:58 pm |
  13. Evolution is true

    Rubio does not want to let it be known that he truly thinks that the earth is between 6,000 and 10,000 years old.

    Religion has been and continues to be harmful to society.
    It is sad that in this modern day society there are peoplw who think and assume that it is ok to equate I do not know with then it must be God.

    November 23, 2012 at 12:54 pm |
    • lol??

      Sad? Dude, you can pet ition the Diverse Beast to declare an Evolutionary Priest holyday to cheer everybody up. With your day of mourning for not getting the job done, everybody could declare it night. Your hymns could be similar to, "More time in the bottle!". National traditional refreshments could be developed like, Pygmy Pie and Fetus Fettuccine. Wash it all down with Primordial Soup.

      November 23, 2012 at 1:48 pm |
  14. Wrenn_NYC

    You know what....

    Spend an equivalent time on researching and experimentation to support your Creationism argument, and then we can talk about 'equivalent time' in the classroom.

    this PR campaign, backed by 'the bible says' and little or no research to attempt to support it doesn't wash.

    November 23, 2012 at 12:11 pm |
    • lol??

      You're just ticked that your Evolutionist Priests haven't did their job and PROVEN their point in over a century. Now you want to do a wash trade. Tsk, tsk.

      November 23, 2012 at 12:20 pm |
    • K-switch

      Apparently lol?? haven't did his grammar homework.

      November 23, 2012 at 12:45 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      I find it funny when the religious try and drag science down to the same level as their religion (evolution preists). It really does not say much for religion when you try to slander science by using religious verbage.

      No that is a lol!

      November 23, 2012 at 12:45 pm |
    • *

      * verbiage (not verbage)

      November 23, 2012 at 12:48 pm |
    • lol??

      K-switch, I hasn't? I must inform you that English is my second and only language. Deduct 10% score with da Affirmative Action cheerleaders. It's been scientifically proven to be a fix.

      November 23, 2012 at 1:11 pm |
  15. lol??

    Al Capone, "We da fittest. Thank you progressive mutants!"

    November 23, 2012 at 12:01 pm |
    • lol??

      Now watch the gadflie come buzzing around telling me I should have respect for the dead. 180 outta phase for respect for the living. Jesus is the God of the living.

      November 23, 2012 at 12:09 pm |
    • Huebert

      Can I buy some pot from you?

      November 23, 2012 at 12:17 pm |
  16. bill

    It is always interesting to read such as the above in comments, but very disappointing. I'll bet most or maybe all writing above do not know the correct answer to the question. All CNN is doing is trying to politicize this question of science and faith to taint the Senator. Guys like Dan who wrote this column does not know either. I know the answer and it would surprise most on this blog, but I simply do not have the time, nor will not take the time. The reason is most are either agnostic or atheist who know little or nothing about the revealed Word of God. They also do not believe because they are self annointed and will stay that way. But it makes no difference. One day at death they will deal with it and I can assure you this, they are not going to like their destiny. It is a free will choice. God will not have mercy on their souls. So be it.

    November 23, 2012 at 11:45 am |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      It sounds like you are in an abusive relationship with your god.

      November 23, 2012 at 11:54 am |
    • GTH

      bill,
      " One day at death they will deal with it and I can assure you this, they are not going to like their destiny.
      God will not have mercy on their souls."

      Do you have a single shred of VERIFIED evidence for this?

      November 23, 2012 at 11:59 am |
    • Huebert

      I know the answer, I learned it in 6th grade. The earth is about 4.5 billion years old, give or take a few million years. That is the age of the earth, regardless of what the "revealed word of god" says.

      November 23, 2012 at 12:03 pm |
    • Wrenn_NYC

      I'm gonna take this sentence by sentence.

      1) playing the 'adult is disappointed' card.
      2) assuming ignorance of audience
      3) call the original article a personal attack on it's subject
      4) Make own personal attack on the author.
      5) State you're an authority on the subject, but refuse to explain (it's beneath you).
      6) Again attack the audience repeat ignorance assumption
      7) Ditto, with some religious sounding comment...
      8) Dismissal of audience (judgement)
      9) Threat to audience, assurance of their punishment (by god)
      10) end with religious sounding phrase.

      November 23, 2012 at 12:20 pm |
    • peridot2

      It's already politicised, Bill. It has been for decades. Blaming CNN for reporting on the truth is ridiculous and divisive.

      November 23, 2012 at 12:43 pm |
    • Sam Stone

      also, d-bag, you have no authority to speak for god. ignorant cvnt

      November 23, 2012 at 1:09 pm |
    • End Religion

      thanks for the empty threats, billy boy the bully, but you don't "know" any more about the human condition after death than anyone else on the planet. Please see 21 seconds into this video clip, as that is the noise I am making at you.

      [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjpG0D4WyqQ&w=640&h=390]

      November 23, 2012 at 4:24 pm |
  17. DWN

    Rubio attends a Baptist church yet say he is a practicing Catholic. Republican Babylon.

    November 23, 2012 at 11:40 am |
  18. Bloody L

    Is Rubio one of the guys that road/bridge engineers have to fight off when talking about climate change, too? Engineers dealing with frequent "100-year storms" can't talk about "climate-change" when discussing their storm-related infrastructure damage issues because the Rubios of the world shout them down! Good policy that, choosing supersti tion over science. Bet he's the first to sue an engineer if he's driving over a bridge that collapses cuz he cut funding to the "climate-change crazies"....

    November 23, 2012 at 11:34 am |
    • End Religion

      @bloody: i thought it was not global warming but more simply explained as god is angry at us, maybe more specifically god is angrier at the east coast of the U.S. most recently. Seemingly, whether red or blue, that string of states has been making god angry, if we can only figure out why. Time to sacrifice something in the search for an answer.

      November 23, 2012 at 4:28 pm |
  19. lunchbreaker

    To Christians: In case you haven't noticed, some of your fellow Christians are ok with evolution and the Big Bang. In case you have forgotten, accepting Christ as your savior is the only recquierement to be Christian. So why all the fuss over what science has to say?

    November 23, 2012 at 11:18 am |
    • lol??

      You make up the requirements? Takes an evolutionist to wanna run things. EVERYTHING!

      November 23, 2012 at 11:43 am |
    • Huebert

      lol

      A central tenet of all protestant denominations is that salvation is obtained through faith, specifically faith in Jesus, alone.

      November 23, 2012 at 11:49 am |
  20. Bloody L

    Neal Tyson Degrasse; " God is an ever-receding pocket of ignorance"

    November 23, 2012 at 11:14 am |
    • Loody B

      Think you mean Neal Degrasse Tyson...but the sentiment was accurate...

      November 23, 2012 at 11:17 am |
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