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Pope's book on Jesus debunks Christmas myths
November 22nd, 2012
02:25 PM ET

Pope's book on Jesus debunks Christmas myths

By Laura Smith-Spark, CNN

(CNN) – It's Christmas, but not as you know it: a new book by released this week by Pope Benedict VI looks at the early life of Jesus - and debunks several myths about how the Nativity really unfolded.

In "Jesus of Nazareth - The Infancy Narratives," the pope says the Christian calendar is actually based on a blunder by a 6th century monk, who Benedict says was several years off in his calculation of Jesus' birth date.

According to the pope's research, there is also no evidence in the Gospels that the cattle and other animals traditionally pictured gathered around the manger were actually present.

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Filed under: Bible • Catholic Church • Christianity • Pope Benedict XVI

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  1. ronvan

    OOPS, hit wrong button! LOL. WHERE DID the second set of 10 commandments come from?

    November 23, 2012 at 11:52 am |
    • Adelina the Carnal Dentist out looking for Bippy to pull his molars, and other assorted things.

      They all came from the Egyptian Book of the Dead.

      November 23, 2012 at 3:45 pm |
  2. ronvan

    GOOD OLD TIME RELIGION!? While MY faith & beleif in my savior is my guiding force, it does not mean I am stupid, or a "blind follower". I have many questions, that remain unanswered! So, now, the Pope is "debunking" christmas "myths"?
    For me, this shows that INTERPRETATION is found in ALL religious books! Written by humans, re written, embellished, stories changed from hand to hand, items left out, all due to intepretation by the person writing or talking about it! Just how will the Pope's book change things as many take his word, literally, as the word of God? "The Divinchi Code" is another example. While, for me, a great movie, it contains facts, supposition, speculation, INTERPRETAION, by the writer! I can understand why the catholic church did not like it! Then here is another question, as commenting on in this post. WHERE

    November 23, 2012 at 11:50 am |
    • hinduism by Judaism self center ,secularism source of hindu filthy hinduism, racism.

      Savior ism is of hinduism, pagan ism, called Mithra sim, hinduism, absurdity of hindu pagan Romans, not of son of blessed Mary, book of hindu Mithra sim, savior ism called bible bares witness to it.

      November 23, 2012 at 12:15 pm |
  3. saggyroy

    Now if he would just dispel the myth of God all together, we'd be good.

    November 23, 2012 at 11:23 am |
    • jumpinjezebel

      Amen!!

      November 24, 2012 at 3:35 pm |
  4. Reality

    Save yourselves some money. See the following information from contemporary NT/history scholars versus those
    who still suffer from the Three B Syndrome, Bred, Born and Brainwashed in Christianity e.g. B16:

    Christmas, the embellished story of the birth of a simple, preacher man named Jesus.

    As per most contemporary NT exegetes, his parents were Mary and Joseph although some say Jesus was a mamzer, the result of a pre-marital relationship between Mary and a Roman soldier.

    http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/theories.html

    Jesus was not born in Bethlehem at least the one we are familiar with (Professor Bruce Chilton in his Rabbi Jesus) and there were no angels, no slaughter of the innocents by Herod, no visiting wise men and no escape to Egypt.

    Mark's gospel, the most historical of the four gospels, does not even mention the event.

    And from Professor Gerd Ludemann in his book, Jesus After 2000 Years, pp. 269-272, "The historical yield of the Lukan infancy narrative in respect to the birth of Jesus is virtually nil (ditto for Matt. 1: 18-25, Matt. 2. 1-23)"

    See also, http://wiki.faithfutures.org/index.php?ti-tle=007_Of_Davids_Lineage

    Conclusion: the holyday of Christmas is historically a non-event. Ditto for the Feast of the Magi and the solemnity of Mary aka New Years day.

    So after thorough analyses of the NT Christmas passages, what are a few of the conclusions of some of the top contemporary NT scholars?

    Matt 1:18-25: From Professor Gerd Ludemann in his book, Jesus After 2000 Years, pp. 123-124, "The fathering of Jesus from the Holy Spirit and his birth from the virgin Mary are unhistorical". Ludemann gives a very detailed analysis to support his conclusions. One part being the lack of attestations to these events and the late time strata of said story.

    "Lüdemann [Jesus], (pp. 261-63) discounts Luke's account as a legend deriving from Jewish Hellenistic circles that were concerned to hold together the pro-creation of the Spirit, the authentic sonship of the Messiah and the v-irginal conception. "

    Then there are these additional conclusions:

    Professor Bruce Chilton

    "In [Rabbi Jesus: An Intimate Biography] (2000)], Chilton develops the idea of Jesus as a mamzer; someone whose irregular birth circu-mstances result in their exclusion from full participation in the life of the community. He argues for the natural pa-ternity of Joseph and finds no need for a miraculous conception. In his subsequent reconstruction of Jesus' life, Chilton suggests that this sustained personal experience of exclusion played a major role in Jesus' self-ident-ity, his concept of God and his spiritual quest.

    John Dominic Crossan

    "In [Historical Jesus] (p. 371) Crossan treats this cluster, like 007 Of Davids Lineage, as an example of the interplay of prophecy and history in the development of the Jesus traditions.

    "In [Birth of Christianity] (pp. 26-29) Crossan uses Luke's account of Jesus' conception and birth to explore ethical issues concerning the public interpretation of the past. He notes the tendency of Christian scholars to disregard "pagan" birth legends while investing great effort in the defence of biblical birth narratives. He concludes:

    "I do not accept the divine conception of either Jesus or Augustus as factual history, but I believe that God is incarnate in the Jewish peasant poverty of Jesus and not in the Roman imperial power of Augustus. "

    "The following ancient parallels to Jesus' miraculous conception should be noted:

    Birth of Moses (Exod 2:1-10)

    Birth of Plato (Diogenes Laertius, Lives of Eminent Philosophers, 3.45) [see Acts of Jesus, p. 507]

    Birth of Alexander the Great (Plutarch, Parallel Lives, 2.1-3.5) [see Acts of Jesus, p. 502f]

    Birth of Apollonius (Philostratus, Life of Apollonius, I.4) [see Acts of Jesus, p. 505]"

    And some final words from Thomas Jefferson, not a contemporary NT scholar, but indeed a very learned man:

    "And the day will come,
    when the mystical generation of Jesus,
    by the Supreme Being as His Father,
    in the womb of a virgin,
    will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva
    in the brain of Jupiter.

    – Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826)
    Letter to John Adams, from Monticello, April 11, 1823.

    November 23, 2012 at 11:16 am |
    • karl-Heinz

      "LIKE" !

      November 26, 2012 at 1:24 pm |
  5. Paul Stufflebeam

    Every one of us is a " house ". All houses are built on a foundation. Of those things that you choose to lay as a foundation are those things that your house are built on. So it is as we are born that we are introduced to the things that influence what materials we decide to make our foundation out of. In other words, those things that we choose to believe are true, we embrace and decide to follow. We follow those things and those people that are of like mind. So, when you pray it is to the things that you have decided to follow and the god associated to that doctrine. If what you have decided to embrace, as truth to you, and it turns out to be a lie, an origine of a doctrine of this world, then the god you pray to is " SATAN ".

    November 23, 2012 at 11:01 am |
    • Mel

      But what if it appears that all gods, God, and Satan as well are man-made creations? Until we can contact aliens from another planet who also believe in the exact same God you do what are we to assume but that God is a doctrine of this world alone?

      November 23, 2012 at 11:50 am |
  6. Paul Stufflebeam

    Why just choose your idea of a Judaic-Christian-Muslim God when any of the thousands of other gods could as easily exist?

    It is that there are thousands of other gods that humans have created to exist. All of these gods that man has created provide no one with any measure of completeness by obedience to the doctrine that they present. So, you know for a fact that there is no truth in what they say. The word of God and the understanding of it is the ONLY THING that all of humanity has turned their backs on, to embrace lies.

    November 23, 2012 at 10:50 am |
    • Mel

      Paul Stufflebeam
      And how do you know that your God isn't just as man-made as any of the others? All of a sudden the Jews started believing in YHWH, wrote scrolls about this belief, and you think that this is somehow different than the way the Egyptian, Greek, Chinese, or Norse gods came into being? Honestly, why do you suppose that the ancients never felt any measure of completeness with their gods? Do you imagine the same for today's Hindus? No, I do not know for any fact that other gods are what you say they are. To me ALL gods, including your own, appear to be made of the exact same stuff, people's imagination.

      November 23, 2012 at 11:45 am |
    • Which God?

      @Stuffle.
      Agin, to which goD are you reffering? The Judeao_xtian goD, or the other gods out there? Yours is no different, other than what's in your head, than the others that have come and gone. Just because you cpapitalize GoD, doesn't make him any more real that the others. Sillybeam.

      November 23, 2012 at 12:01 pm |
    • End Religion

      My obedience to Elephus fills me with completeness. Next!

      November 24, 2012 at 1:09 am |
    • Michael Haskins

      God is dumb – he cannot speak – he cannot DO anything – he cannot write – why am I referring to a mythological concept as a 'he' – god is, was, and will bee – completely IMAGINARY – god is imaginary dot com

      December 11, 2012 at 9:23 pm |
  7. Reality

    Save yourselves some money. See the following information from contemporary NT/history scholars versus those
    who still suffer from the Three B Syndrome, Bred, Born and Brainwashed in Christianity e.g. B16:

    Christmas, the embellished story of the birth of a simple, preacher man named Jesus.

    As per most contemporary NT exegetes, his parents were Mary and Joseph although some say Jesus was a mamzer, the result of a pre-marital relationship between Mary and a Roman soldier.

    http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/theories.html

    Jesus was not born in Bethlehem at least the one we are familiar with (Professor Bruce Chilton in his Rabbi Jesus) and there were no pretty wingie thingies singing from on high (even B16 now admits this), no slaughter of the innocents by Herod, no visiting wise men and no escape to Egypt.

    Mark's gospel, the most historical of the four gospels, does not even mention the event.

    And from Professor Gerd Ludemann in his book, Jesus After 2000 Years, pp. 269-272, "The historical yield of the Lukan infancy narrative in respect to the birth of Jesus is virtually nil (ditto for Matt. 1: 18-25, Matt. 2. 1-23)"

    See also, http://wiki.faithfutures.org/index.php?ti-tle=007_Of_Davids_Lineage

    Conclusion: the holyday of Christmas is historically a non-event. Ditto for the Feast of the Magi and the solemnity of Mary aka New Years day.

    So after thorough analyses of the NT Christmas passages, what are a few of the conclusions of some of the top contemporary NT scholars?

    Matt 1:18-25: From Professor Gerd Ludemann in his book, Jesus After 2000 Years, pp. 123-124, "The fathering of Jesus from the Holy Spirit and his birth from the virgin Mary are unhistorical". Ludemann gives a very detailed analysis to support his conclusions. One part being the lack of attestations to these events and the late time strata of said story.

    "Lüdemann [Jesus], (pp. 261-63) discounts Luke's account as a legend deriving from Jewish Hellenistic circles that were concerned to hold together the pro-creation of the Spirit, the authentic sonship of the Messiah and the v-irginal conception. "

    Then there are these additional conclusions:

    Professor Bruce Chilton

    "In [Rabbi Jesus: An Intimate Biography] (2000)], Chilton develops the idea of Jesus as a mamzer; someone whose irregular birth circu-mstances result in their exclusion from full participation in the life of the community. He argues for the natural pa-ternity of Joseph and finds no need for a miraculous conception. In his subsequent reconstruction of Jesus' life, Chilton suggests that this sustained personal experience of exclusion played a major role in Jesus' self-ident-ity, his concept of God and his spiritual quest.

    John Dominic Crossan

    "In [Historical Jesus] (p. 371) Crossan treats this cluster, like 007 Of Davids Lineage, as an example of the interplay of prophecy and history in the development of the Jesus traditions.

    "In [Birth of Christianity] (pp. 26-29) Crossan uses Luke's account of Jesus' conception and birth to explore ethical issues concerning the public interpretation of the past. He notes the tendency of Christian scholars to disregard "pagan" birth legends while investing great effort in the defence of biblical birth narratives. He concludes:

    "I do not accept the divine conception of either Jesus or Augustus as factual history, but I believe that God is incarnate in the Jewish peasant poverty of Jesus and not in the Roman imperial power of Augustus. "

    "The following ancient parallels to Jesus' miraculous conception should be noted:

    Birth of Moses (Exod 2:1-10)

    Birth of Plato (Diogenes Laertius, Lives of Eminent Philosophers, 3.45) [see Acts of Jesus, p. 507]

    Birth of Alexander the Great (Plutarch, Parallel Lives, 2.1-3.5) [see Acts of Jesus, p. 502f]

    Birth of Apollonius (Philostratus, Life of Apollonius, I.4) [see Acts of Jesus, p. 505]"

    And some final words from Thomas Jefferson, not a contemporary NT scholar, but indeed a very learned man:

    "And the day will come,
    when the mystical generation of Jesus,
    by the Supreme Being as His Father,
    in the womb of a virgin,
    will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva
    in the brain of Jupiter.

    – Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826)
    Letter to John Adams, from Monticello, April 11, 1823.

    November 23, 2012 at 10:46 am |
    • Mohammad A Dar

      oh you forgot to add "Made in China" , my Reality friend.

      November 23, 2012 at 10:57 am |
  8. Paul Stufflebeam

    I am a mouse. Chef Louis is a child.

    November 23, 2012 at 10:40 am |
  9. Mohammad A Dar

    I still believe monk than Pop Benedict, religions are not about scientific proofs or accuracy.

    November 23, 2012 at 10:36 am |
  10. ZeusDeusMaximus

    HA HA HA HA I LAUGH AT YOU PUNY HUMANS AND YOUR SUPERST ITIONS IN ALL CAPS!!!!

    "There is only one god and I am he" ZDM Ch1 Vs1

    ....and I like to shoot skeet for eternity with puny humans HA HA HA PULL......ka POW.......HA HA HA puny humans. Your turn Kirk!

    As a public service I will let you know that YOU ARE LOSING PASCALS WAGER...ha ha ha god I kill myself!

    November 23, 2012 at 10:33 am |
  11. I the Pope am.

    Paul present the proof explicitly or stuffle yourself with a beam.

    November 23, 2012 at 9:49 am |
    • Nietodarwin

      Right. Let's just say that to "stuffle one's self with a beam" would probably be fatal. The church and xstians are guilty of causing fatality (ie murder) and then whine about "freedom of religion" I think it's time to fight "beam stuffling with beam stuffling"
      Call it jihad of logic, science, and reason, against these dangerous lethal religious believers.

      November 23, 2012 at 9:54 am |
    • Nietodarwin

      So there, Mr. Pompous Pope, you're German, and you're how old? Did you get your beliefs in part from something like....

      "Secular schools can never be tolerated because such a school has no religious instruction and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith . . . We need believing people."

      Adolf Hitler

      November 23, 2012 at 10:00 am |
    • Nietodarwin

      “I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so”

      [Adolph Hitler, to Gen. Gerhard Engel, 1941]

      November 23, 2012 at 10:10 am |
    • Paul Stufflebeam

      Let me just say that the religions of this earth, and I mean all of them, are the result of the establishment of human will to turn their foot away from the will of God. It is that the truth is not a mystery to those whom have been given understanding. Can't you see that it is'nt about abortion, murder, lying cheating stealing etc. It is about doubt. Doubt is the beginning of a real education. It is in the removal of doubt that reveals the truth.

      November 23, 2012 at 10:10 am |
    • Mel

      Paul Stufflebeam
      The removal of doubt by what means, just taking a leap of faith that this "God" exists? Why not take a leap of faith that magic exists and that most people are muggles, or that vampires exist and that we might all meet some sparkly-skinned dreamboat some day? Why just choose your idea of a Judaic-Christian-Muslim God when any of the thousands of other gods could as easily exist?

      November 23, 2012 at 10:19 am |
    • Paul Stufflebeam

      I am only saying that it is important to prove to yourself that what you embrace as true is actually true. In order to do so is to doubt that what you have been led to believe might not be true. In the establishment of the removal of those things that are not true is the path to the things that are true and factual.

      November 23, 2012 at 10:26 am |
    • Honey Badger Dont Care

      "My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth!”

      –Adolf HitIer, in a speech on 12 April 1922

      November 23, 2012 at 10:32 am |
    • Mel

      Paul Stufflebeam
      I'm sure that the folks who believe that they've been abducted by UFOs, or kidnapped by fairies, or who believe that their horoscopes are dead on have also "proven" to themselves these things. The question is, what kind of proof do you trust? I'm a skeptic, so I don't trust anything that relies upon "gut feelings" like a belief in God does. Brains make better decision-making organs than guts.

      November 23, 2012 at 10:33 am |
    • Honey Badger Dont Care

      “Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.”

      –Adolf HitIer (Mein Kampf)

      November 23, 2012 at 10:34 am |
    • Paul Stufflebeam

      It is not by any means that there is " a leap of faith " that leads anyone to the truth. It is in proving all things to be true that is the path. If it is told to you that if you do something and you will receive a payment for it and you do it and you get your payment for it , you can see that it is true, right? So to is the path toward the truth as well as the path away from it. The path toward the truth has diffrent payment than the path away from it. It is that there is no desire to remove that which we have not proven to be true, so you get what we have here today. It is a life full of obedience to the embracing of doubt and no desire to remove it.

      November 23, 2012 at 10:37 am |
    • Reality

      "The allegation is sometimes made that Hitler was a Catholic – a Christian until the day he died. This claim is based upon the fact that Hitler was born and raised in a Catholic family.

      However, as an adult, Hitler specifically rejected the Catholic Church, as well as Christianity in general. He described himself as "a complete pagan".

      The book Hitler's Secret Conversations: 1941-1944, published by Farrar, Straus and Young, Inc. (1953), contains definitive proof of Hitler's real views. The book was published in Britain under the t-itle, Hitler's Table Talk: 1941-1944, which ti-tle was used for the Oxford University Press paperback edition in the United States.

      Some excerpts:

      All of these are quotes from Adolf Hitler:

      Night of 11th-12th July, 1941:

      "National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things. (p 6 & 7) "
      10th October, 1941, midday:

      "Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure. (p 43)"

      November 23, 2012 at 10:54 am |
    • Mel

      Paul Stufflebeam
      You may believe in an afterlife judgment that says otherwise, but the old adage that "Crime does not pay" has been disproven by the vast number of criminals who have gotten rich, or otherwise profited from their misdeeds without ever being punished for them. For them, wrong-doing does indeed lead to riches, so your analogy that only correct paths lead to reward is just unfounded.

      "Behind every great fortune there is a great crime" Honoré de Balzac

      November 23, 2012 at 12:00 pm |
    • Michael Haskins

      Paul Stufflebeam – you seem to believe that you have proof of the existence of god. I think you do not understand what the word proof means. (Evidence) – do not feel bad that you have been deceived. many of us hav. Then some of us grow up, think about it, realize that we have been misled, let go of the dogma, and FREEDOM – do not fear intellect. use it.

      December 11, 2012 at 9:34 pm |
  12. I the Pope am.

    Next up I'm going to let you in on a big secret: the whole of Christianity is a myth. But thanks for all your money. The wine was real tasty. Love the robes and phallic hat too.

    November 23, 2012 at 9:47 am |
  13. Paul Stufflebeam

    I , by my Fathers authority, suggest that all of us should turn our foot away from all things that have been established by those who are of this world. As the word of God has spoken to those who did not understand, IF YOUR FEET ARE CLEAN, SO TO IS THE REST OF YOUR BODY ALSO CLEAN. It is in the things we embrace and the path we decide to walk that in it is the means by which we defile our bodies, our feet are unclean. Turn your foot away from those things that make them unclean, repent and turn away.

    November 23, 2012 at 9:39 am |
    • Honey Badger Dont Care

      “If a man’s testicIes are crushed or his pe nis is cut off, he may not be admitted to the assembly of the Lord.”
      –Deuteronomy 23

      November 23, 2012 at 9:40 am |
    • Nietodarwin

      Your mind is "unclean" and has been tainted and poisoned with religious filth and delusion. The church and the pope are responsible for two murders of women who died because they needed an abortion in catholic countries (Ireland and The Dominican Republic) Just as you people cry out against "abortion" and then murder doctors and women and bomb clinics, I hope somebody will start crying out against your beloved "religious freedom" and then..........????

      November 23, 2012 at 9:49 am |
    • Paul Stufflebeam

      It is that you do not have understanding of the scripture. It is that all things that are presented into the assembly of God are to be without blemish. It is that they must be perfect ! So it is that what the word of God did, provides us with the path to acheive this and to present ourselfs to him without blemish. It is important to point out that this and all things associated to it have been rejected and all that is instructed not to do have been embraced. So, you end up with what we have here today.

      November 23, 2012 at 9:58 am |
    • Mel

      Paul Stufflebeam
      How, exactly, is your idea of scripture any more true than the Qur'an, the saying of Confucius, or even L.Ron Hubbard's Dialectics? You consider it such, but that doesn't make it true, right?

      November 23, 2012 at 2:22 pm |
    • End Religion

      if god only accepts perfection then there isn't a single soul in heaven including god himself

      November 24, 2012 at 1:30 am |
    • Michael Haskins

      "turn our foot away from all things that have been established by those who are of this world" – like your computer! Education, plastic, guns - I'm gettin too tired. QUIT preaching. OPEN your mind, and try some SECULAR education. Learn to distinguish between fact and fiction – It's OK – there is no hell – go ahead – partake of the fruit of the tree of KNOWLEGE. it's TASTY!

      December 11, 2012 at 9:40 pm |
  14. Paul Stufflebeam

    The actual date of the birth of the word of God was September 11

    November 23, 2012 at 8:57 am |
    • End Religion

      i wonder if there are actually any actual religious repeat-posters here. The only ones I see here quickly let on they are just folks out having a good time.

      November 24, 2012 at 1:32 am |
  15. Paul Stufflebeam

    There is and never has been an instruction or command to celebrate the physical birth of Christ. If there is any understanding, then we know that the birth of Christ was the result of the first day of creation, let there be light. The perception of Christ should never have been that of a man, but simply the word of God made physical as a means of fulfillment of the law.

    November 23, 2012 at 8:50 am |
    • Honey Badger Dont Care

      None of which you have any evidence of. How about you live in the real world for a change.

      November 23, 2012 at 9:25 am |
    • Paul Stufflebeam

      The real world, as you so casually refer to, is exactly where the proof and the evidence is. Is it that you are not able to see that the rejection of that that was fulfilled has provided us with what we have now ?

      November 23, 2012 at 9:47 am |
    • I the Pope am.

      Paul present the proof explicitly or stuffle yourself now with a beam.

      November 23, 2012 at 9:50 am |
    • Honey Badger Dont Care

      Still waiting for evidence, any evidence at all.

      November 23, 2012 at 9:58 am |
    • Paul Stufflebeam

      What exactly is it that you require evidence of?

      November 23, 2012 at 10:20 am |
    • Mel

      Paul, I think you've got your theology wrong. The assumption is that Jesus/the Christ was the "Word" in John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." Jesus/the Christ was not a created being then, but always was an aspect of God, correct?

      November 23, 2012 at 12:04 pm |
  16. sasss31

    Christmas was a pagan holiday in which the ruling Christians adopted so that the pagans would become Christian (falling right near the winter solstice). Everyone (who is not a fundamentalist) knows this historical fact. Even "Christian scholars" acknowledge this. In fact, December 25th is "coincidentally" also the "birth" of the ancient Persian deity Mithra. December 25th has no historical record/history in regards to the birth of Jesus.

    November 23, 2012 at 8:42 am |
    • Paul Stufflebeam

      The first celebration of Christmas was actually that of Nimrods son, his death and his reserrection as an evergreen tree that was cut, put up in the house and decorated as an everlasting celebration of his sons rebirth.

      November 23, 2012 at 8:55 am |
  17. Honey Badger Dont Care

    How about he discount the myth that Jesus was real and performed miracles?

    Oh yea, he would be out of a very cushy job and lots of money.

    November 23, 2012 at 8:08 am |
  18. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things.

    November 23, 2012 at 4:58 am |
    • HeavenSense

      WASP, all religions are based on ancient mythologies, but there really are Christians and other religions. They are not mythological. I see Christians and Muslims and Jews every day.

      November 23, 2012 at 5:27 am |
    • HeavenSense

      Hi Prayerbot.

      November 23, 2012 at 5:58 am |
    • Paul Stufflebeam

      Every one of us is a " house ". All houses are built on a foundation. Of those things that you choose to lay as a foundation are those things that your house are built on. So it is as we are born that we are introduced to the things that influence what materials we decide to make our foundation out of. In other words, those things that we choose to believe are true, we embrace and decide to follow. We follow those things and those people that are of like mind. So, when you pray it is to the things that you have decided to follow and the god associated to that doctrine. If what you have decided to embrace, as truth to you, and it turns out to be a lie, an origine of a doctrine of this world, then the god you pray to is " SATAN ".

      November 23, 2012 at 9:24 am |
    • Mrs. Pepperpot

      PS: so by your very own words, whoever it is YOU worship is Satan also, because YOU follow hour own god.
      Your tongue is forked, you speak out of both sides of your mouth. And Satan doesn't exist, either.

      November 23, 2012 at 12:12 pm |
  19. doctore0

    Christianity/religions is one big myth, it is obvious. Even faith-heads know this... deep inside.

    November 23, 2012 at 4:27 am |
    • Holy Bowler

      Actually, Christianity and religions do exist. They are not myths.

      November 23, 2012 at 4:52 am |
    • WASP

      @holy: just like most religions/mythologies are all based on faith which doesn't require proof.
      as you explore human history you find bits and pieces of old religions/mythologies still alive and well in whatever "new" religion has taken hold of a culture.
      so doctore is correct christianity is a myth same as greek and roman religions are now dead.

      November 23, 2012 at 5:09 am |
    • Holy Bowler

      WASP all religions are based on ancient mythologies, but there really are Christians and other religions. They are not mythological. I see Christians and Muslims and Jews every day.

      November 23, 2012 at 5:59 am |
    • WASP

      @holy: now where did i say christians werea myth? i said christianity was a myth, just as at one time zues and the other olympian gods were a religion but are now labeled a myth.
      here is the most powerful weapon i can give humans.........................the serect to be able to ki11 GODS.
      stop believeing in them, see that simple, then they die out because they require you to believe in them to be real.

      November 23, 2012 at 9:03 am |
    • Paul Stufflebeam

      How about if we say that all of us, all the humans that have and all that are alive, are as young children. Our Father has tried to establish a way of life for us and gave to us a means of becoming wise and understanding adults. We, all of us, have lived a life of rebellion. Rejecting his instructions and have tried over all these years to establish our own sence of reality. The sence of reality based on the mind of a child. It is that we are unwilling to embrace that which enables us to progress beyond the mind of a child. So it is that all things made by the hand of a child are as a child and in it there is no wisdom.

      November 23, 2012 at 9:10 am |
    • I the Pope am.

      Holey Bowler isn't playing with a full set of pins.

      November 23, 2012 at 9:51 am |
    • Mel

      Paul Stufflebeam
      I don't consider myself a child anymore, but I do consider myself a lifelong learner, and this world, with it's science and innovation, provides new things to learn each and every day. I'm wise enough to know that I don't know everything, but also wise enough not to get suckered into believing something just because there is an emotional appeal to it.

      Children, should I remind you and despite what Stephen King novels might suggest, believe in imaginary monsters and boogymen. I find no wisdom in believing that we should forever believe as though we are children. I still have a Christmas decoration of Santa with the bold "BELIEVE" stamped over it. Fine for little children, but grown adults really should abandon such childish things, right?

      November 23, 2012 at 12:14 pm |
  20. JoJo

    There are many good people in Catholicism, but it is more of a cult than a Christian religion. In 300AD when Rome became a Christian nation from a Pagan nation overnight, they rolled many Pagan beliefs into the "Roman Catholic" church. Statues, praying to Mary and other "saints", placing the Pope and priests in a position that usurps Jesus, moving the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday (because the pagans already worshiped on Sunday) – All violations of the ten commandments.

    November 22, 2012 at 10:45 pm |
    • Apple Bush

      Which Ten Commandments? The first ones that Moses destroyed or the second set that conveniently appeared later?

      November 22, 2012 at 10:53 pm |
    • noodles doodles and toodles

      I thought Paul told you you were free from the old law. Typical. Pick and choose your rules.

      November 22, 2012 at 11:53 pm |

    • Actually, they aren't commandments. They are ten suggestions on how to become a better you.

      November 23, 2012 at 12:47 am |
    • Chef Louis

      Actually, they are ten tips to make sure your Thanksgiving Day turkey turns out moist and delicious.

      November 23, 2012 at 1:22 am |
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