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November 28th, 2012
05:49 AM ET

Rick Warren on gay marriage

American evangelical Christian pastor Rick Warren discusses homosexuality and gay marriage with CNN's Piers Morgan.

- A. Hawkins

Filed under: Gay marriage • Homosexuality

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  1. Sam Yaza

    i am all natural, the devil is all natural.

    regardless not acting on love is wrong, if you fall in love with a man/woman then you should love him/her
    B!s3x4@l!t7 is the only moral choice

    November 28, 2012 at 5:12 pm |
  2. Chadism

    I like bible quotes, actually, I love bible quotes, but I maintain that I do not use bible quotes in any of my arguements, but that is one of my many little white lies. THe Chad

    November 28, 2012 at 5:12 pm |
  3. hinduism by Judaism self center ,secularism source of hindu filthy hinduism, racism.

    Saudi gay ism has nothing to do with genome of pro-fat Mohammad but every thing with cross dresser s soul filthy desire, falling in love of guys to live like gays, filthy Gayism, Goatism, Allahism is not way of human but Saudi gangsters filthy animals to satisfy greed, lust filthy, more and more lust, justified by mithra book of koran filthy NYism, LAism as a holy tradition of his behind filthy sunnism, corruption of truth absolute called Thin GOAT or GAWD, not your GOD, goons.

    November 28, 2012 at 5:09 pm |
  4. Chadism

    I can cut, copy and paste therefore I am. The chad.

    November 28, 2012 at 5:08 pm |
  5. Chadism sometimes Russism

    We get together me and Russ from time to time to compare ah things, when his mother isn't home ah, we ah, sorry wrong topic. The Chad. Actually Russ is my imaginary friend and I am doing it myself, don't get the wrong idea. The Chad.

    November 28, 2012 at 5:06 pm |
  6. Chadism

    Your opinions or reasoning are of no value. So why do you respond to MY posts? The Cad.

    November 28, 2012 at 4:58 pm |
    • Chadism

      Meant Chad but Cad works also.

      November 28, 2012 at 5:00 pm |
  7. Chadism

    I maybe M. Slick of the Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry, You have no proof that I am not, therefore I am.

    November 28, 2012 at 4:52 pm |
  8. Chadism

    I am delusional therefore I am. The Chad.

    November 28, 2012 at 4:49 pm |
  9. Chadism

    I obfuscate therefore I am. The Chad.

    November 28, 2012 at 4:48 pm |
  10. Chadism

    I lie therefore I am. The Chad.

    November 28, 2012 at 4:46 pm |
  11. Lewis

    The tenets of religion are for those that wish to believe in and personally follow said religion and have nothing to do with all people, government, laws or secular marriage. The only reason I can see for attempting to make everyone follow any specific religion or it's tenets is power and influence. Religion is and should be a personal choice. Not the decree of the land, country or state. We are the USA. A mix of many diverse peoples and religions. Not a theocracy. This is hard to understand?

    November 28, 2012 at 4:42 pm |
    • lol??

      You got a god. Da Beast is in charge of everything.

      November 28, 2012 at 6:26 pm |
  12. hinduism by Judaism self center ,secularism source of hindu filthy hinduism, racism.

    Suck on Mohamad's male goat, goons, filthy gangsters, denier of truth absolute Thin GOAT, not GOD, I may get plenty with my mama s permission, besides pig s dung and urine to get high.

    November 28, 2012 at 4:23 pm |
    • Sane Person

      I agree 100%

      November 28, 2012 at 4:53 pm |
  13. Help me Help you

    Orientation defined as, the direction in which somebody's thoughts, interest, or tendencies lie

    Choice defined as, a decision to choose one thing, person, or course of action in preference to others.

    You choose to Orient yourself towards GOD'S righteousness or not.

    You have two choices, death or life.

    Choose life.

    November 28, 2012 at 4:22 pm |
    • John

      I am already alive so there is no choice involved and your God doesn't exist. Only a delusional people still believe in an invisible friend.

      November 28, 2012 at 4:24 pm |
    • Huebert

      Show evidence that your god exists after that, we will talk about why I should follow him.

      November 28, 2012 at 4:25 pm |
    • Brother Maynard

      An all knowing – Omniscient – god and his "gift" of free-will are contradi.ctory
      If god is omnicient then he know prior to my creation that I will go out and kill my father when I'm at the age of 25
      He then goes ahead and allows me to be created. And give me so called 'free will'
      How can I choose to NOT kill my father when god already knows that I will (because he is omniscient) ?

      November 28, 2012 at 5:14 pm |
    • Saraswati

      @Brother, religions in the Calvinist tradition do not believe in free will, and so on that count at least make a bit more sense.

      November 28, 2012 at 5:19 pm |
    • kelly

      Absolutely right! God is real and doing His work in the world whether people choose to believe it or not. He is much more than an invisible friend let me tell you. I hope everyone who discredits His existence is able to still do that on the day He returns. It's closer than you think........

      November 29, 2012 at 12:33 am |
    • tallulah13

      Kelly, christians have been claiming that it's the end times for about 2000 years. Christ himself told his followers that some of them would still be alive when he returned. Whoops.

      After a couple of millenia without a single shred of proof that ANY god exists, don't you think it's time to rethink your beliefs?

      November 29, 2012 at 1:35 am |
  14. hinduism by Judaism self center ,secularism source of hindu filthy hinduism, racism.

    Word Gay or Guy is originated from Mecca, practiced my male Saudis, secular s, gangsters deniers of truth absolute of Thin Allah, goons

    November 28, 2012 at 4:17 pm |
    • Mohammad A Dar

      keep going you're making lot of sense, lol!

      November 28, 2012 at 4:19 pm |
  15. hinduism by Judaism self center ,secularism source of hindu filthy hinduism, racism.

    Word Gay is another word for Wahhabi Saudism, filthy self center ism or secular ism, denial of truth absolute Thin Allah, foundation of existence and bed rock of Mecca s contsi pation, granter of fundamental of animal equality. Just another word for Sunnism, illegality to find, fool humanity. One has to be Muslim, Muslim lover, to be in following of Sunni filthy gangster ism to commit gayism, illegality of of Wahabbism, gay ism, by self center ism or atheism. Way of Saudi's deniers of truth absolute Thin Allah to promote terroism, illegality of animals among humanity.

    November 28, 2012 at 4:01 pm |
    • Mohammad A Dar

      got milk??

      November 28, 2012 at 4:05 pm |
    • hinduism by Judaism self center ,secularism source of hindu filthy hinduism, racism.

      Suck on hindu's cow mams male partner, hindu, filthy bull, you may get plenty with your cow mamas permission, besides your cow mamas dung and urine to get high.

      November 28, 2012 at 4:18 pm |
    • Chadism

      As a non christian I have no problem stealing your MO. My gay friend wants to know if hinduism allows suckie, suckie, ah! just a friend, friend, you know!

      November 28, 2012 at 4:18 pm |
    • hinduism by Judaism self center ,secularism source of hindu filthy hinduism, racism.

      Do any thing to please your hindu soul, filthy desire, a hindu ignorant is always ready to be blessed by hindu sanatan, filthy goon to followw up on hindu filthy holy tradition of hinduism, sodomy.

      November 28, 2012 at 6:06 pm |
  16. Reality

    There are basic biological and physical differences in gay unions vs. heterose-xual marriage. Government benefits where approved are the same in both but making the distinction is important for census data and for social responses with respect to potential issues with disease, divorce and family interactions.

    November 28, 2012 at 3:54 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "There are basic biological and physical differences in gay unions vs. heterose-xual marriage."

      No there is not. Like their heterosexual counterparts, many gay and lesbian people want to form stable, long-lasting, committed relationships. Indeed, many of them do and that large proportions are currently involved in such a relationship and that a substantial number of those couples have been together 10 or more years.

      Research demonstrates that the psychological and social aspects of committed relationships between same-sex partners closely resemble those of heterosexual partnerships. Like heterosexual couples, same-sex couples form deep emotional attachments and commitments. Heterosexual and same-sex couples alike face similar issues concerning intimacy, love, equity, loyalty, and stability, and they go through similar processes to address those issues. Research examining the quality of intimate relationships also shows that gay and lesbian couples have levels of relationship satisfaction similar to or higher than those of heterosexual couples.

      A large number of gay and lesbian couples raise children. Children and teenagers whose parents provide loving guidance in the context of secure home environments are more likely to flourish – and this is just as true for children of same-sex parents as it is for children of opposite-sex parents. Based on research findings, mental health professionals have also reached a consensus that the quality of relationships among significant adults in a child’s or adolescent’s life is associated with adjustment. When relationships between parents are characterized by love, warmth, cooperation, security, and mutual support, children and adolescents are more likely to show positive adjustment. In contrast, when relationships between parents are conflict-ridden and acrimonious, the adjustment of children and adolescents is likely to be less favorable. These correlations are just as true for children of same-sex parents as for children of opposite-sex parents.

      Assertions that heterosexual couples are inherently better parents than same sex couples, or that the children of lesbian or gay parents fare worse than children of heterosexual parents, have no support in the scientific research literature. On the contrary, the scientific research that has directly compared outcomes for children with gay and lesbian parents with outcomes for children with heterosexual parents has consistently shown that the former are as fit and capable as the latter and that their children are as psychologically healthy and well adjusted as children reared by heterosexual parents.

      November 28, 2012 at 3:56 pm |
    • Saraswati

      There are biological differences between people of different races in marriage – more vs less melanin, for example, should we have different words for all of these? A special word where a red-head, with higher risk of skin cancer, is involved in the marriage? Survey research is perfectly capable of asking the demographic questions in a manner necessary for epidemiological purposes without giving every possible scenario its own label.

      November 28, 2012 at 5:15 pm |
    • Reality

      As noted on p. 1:

      From below, on top, backwards, forwards, from this side of the Moon and from the other side too, ga-y s-exual activity is still mutual mas-turbation caused by one or more complex s-exual differences. Some differences are visually obvious in for example the complex maleness of DeGeneres, Billy Jean King and Rosie O'Donnell.

      Yes, heteros-exuals practice many of the same "moves" but there is never a doubt who is the female and who is the male.

      As noted, there are basic biological differences in gay unions vs. heterose-xual marriage. Government benefits where approved are the same in both but making the distinction is important for census data and for social responses with respect to potential issues with disease, divorce and family interactions.

      November 29, 2012 at 12:30 am |
  17. Chadism is not Christianism

    As lamb of Godism, I tremble with fearism when the chad approaches with Wellies on to sufferism the lamb to be one with the filth of jesusism. way of satan deniers lovers of chritianism no truth all lies animals to love chadism.

    November 28, 2012 at 3:52 pm |
  18. realbuckyball

    The linked article says : "While stressing that he himself has chosen the Bible as his personal authority, above all Warren preached decency and respect amongst all people and encouraged open dialogue".

    Wrong. Mr Warren has picked and chosen what parts of the Bible he wants to pick out for his use. The Bible tells us we can kill our disobedient children. No if, ands or buts. Does Ricky kill his disobedient children ?

    November 28, 2012 at 3:48 pm |
    • Jeff

      No...he does not a-la-cart the bible. The New Testament is the new covenant between God and man. Christ's sacrifice paid the price for all.

      If you don't believe that, that's fine...but Mr. Warren is not picking and choosing...

      November 28, 2012 at 3:52 pm |
    • Reality

      Professor JD Crossanfrom his book, Who is Jesus)

      "Moreover, an atonement theology that says God sacrifices his own son in place of humans who needed to be punished for their sins might make some Christians love Jesus, but it is an obscene picture of God. It is almost heavenly child abuse, and may infect our imagination at more earthly levels as well. I do not want to express my faith through a theology that pictures God demanding blood sacrifices in order to be reconciled to us."

      November 28, 2012 at 3:56 pm |
    • Jeff

      That is certainly a choice JD Crossan can make...but it is ok for people like Mr. Warren and myself to choose differently.

      November 28, 2012 at 4:06 pm |
    • religion; a way to control the weak minded

      "The New Testament is the new covenant between God and man. Christ's sacrifice paid the price for all."

      this is the epitome of "picking and choosing". If the bible is truly the word of god, then the entire book needs to be taken literally. But since the book is only the word of MEN, feel free to pick and choose whatever you want to believe. Its all created by men anyway.

      November 28, 2012 at 4:08 pm |
    • Jeff

      @religion; a way to control the weak minded

      I don't understand your post. My statement that Christ was the new covenant does not imply the previous laws were not necessary. That time has passed though...we now live in a time where Christ has fulfilled those old laws and is our path to salvation. Again, I'm not asking you to believe it, but it is where I put my faith

      November 28, 2012 at 4:12 pm |
    • nope

      ".we now live in a time where Christ has fulfilled those old laws and is our path to salvation."

      All hail Mithra!

      Mithra
      Was born of a virgin on December 25th, in a cave, attended by shepherds
      Was considered a great traveling teacher and master
      Had 12 companions or disciples
      Promised his followers immortality
      Performed miracles
      Sacrificed himself for world peace
      Was buried in a tomb and after three days rose again
      Was celebrated each year at the time of His resurrection (later to become Easter)
      Was called "the Good Shepherd"
      Was identified with both the Lamb and the Lion
      Was considered to be the "Way, the Truth and the Light," and the "Logos," "Redeemer," "Savior" and "Messiah."
      Celebrated Sunday as His sacred day (also known as the "Lord's Day,")
      Celebrated a Eucharist or "Lord's Supper"

      Your Jesus is a fraud!

      November 28, 2012 at 4:27 pm |
    • religion; a way to control the weak minded

      "My statement that Christ was the new covenant does not imply the previous laws were not necessary."

      I never insinuated that previous laws were not necessary, as some were in order to control the masses. I stated that you disregard some of those scriptures now because of what other authors wrote in the NT. That is Cherry-picking to me.

      You can believe anything you wish to believe, however you cannot dispute the fact that MEN wrote the book and MEN edited the book, omitting original scripture and adding others to fit their agenda. The history of the book is bound in cherry picking and followers continually cherry pick scripture to this day.

      November 28, 2012 at 4:31 pm |
    • Jeff

      @religion; a way to control the weak minded

      I don't agree that the bible was written by man. Yes, the actual pages were, but the words were from God. Over time, there is no book attacked more than the bible, and yet it is still here. Using common tests of accuracy and reliability, the bible is estimated to be no less than 98% pure in its translation.

      November 28, 2012 at 5:02 pm |
    • Smithsonian

      The stories found in the Book of Genesis, Chapter 1-12, such as the flood story, the record is quite different: the time period under consideration is much more ancient. The factual bases of the stories are hidden from our view archaeologically. The stories remain a part of folk traditions and were included in the Bible to illustrate and explain theological ideas such as: Where did humans come from? If humans were created by God (who is perfect and good), how did evil among them come to be? If we are all related as children of God, why do we speak different languages? It must be remembered that the Bible is primarily a book of religion, a guide to faith. it was not a book of history, poetry, economics, or science. It contains all sorts of literary genre, which are used to teach about the relationship between God and mankind. Even biblical history is edited history: events were chosen to illustrate the central theme of the Bible. The Biblical writers did not pretend they were giving a complete history; instead they constantly refer us to other sources for full historical details, sources such as "The Annals of the Kings of Judah" (or Israel).

      It is therefore not possible to try to "prove" the Bible by means of checking its historical or scientific accuracy. The only "proof" to which it can be subjected is this: Does it correctly portray the God-human relationship? In the best analysis, the Bible is a religious book, not an historical document.

      November 28, 2012 at 5:04 pm |
  19. Curious

    My question is for someone knowledgeable in science and DNA...why has hom.ose.xuality not bred itself out to this point if it were genetic in nature?

    I understand recessive genes, but even considering that, wouldn't this "g.a.y" gene (if you will) have eventually been gone?

    November 28, 2012 at 3:42 pm |
    • Curious

      ...sorry...didn't see the earlier post and its replies on this same topic!

      November 28, 2012 at 3:44 pm |
    • Evangelical

      Saying that it is genetic gets them no where. Would we excuse a murderer if we could show that he has a genetic predisposition to murder? Of course, not. Humans have higher brain function. We have the ability to choose right over wrong. Ho.mos.exual behavior is sinful and they know it. Now they are trying to redefine right and wrong from the traditional meaning.

      November 28, 2012 at 3:48 pm |
    • Huebert

      Because ho.mose.xuals can still reproduce.

      November 28, 2012 at 3:51 pm |
    • hinduism by Judaism self center ,secularism source of hindu filthy hinduism, racism.

      hindu filthy gay ism has nothing to do with genome of human but every thing with hindu soul filthy desire, falling in love of hind to live like a hindu, filthy is not way of human but hindu filthy animals to satisfy hindu filthy lust, justified by hindu filthy Zoroaster as a holy tradition of his hindu filthy hinduism, corruption of truth absolute called religion.

      November 28, 2012 at 3:52 pm |
    • James

      " Ho.mos.exual behavior is sinful "

      No it's not. The scriptures actually say nothing about homosexuality as a psychosexual orientation. Our understandings of sexual orientation are distinctly modern ones that were not present in the minds of Scripture writers. A few passages of Scripture (seven at the most) object to certain types of same-sex expressions or acts. The particular acts in question, however, are sexual expressions which are exploitative, oppressive, commercialized, or offensive to ancient purity rituals. There is no Scriptural guidance for same-sex relationships which are loving and mutually respecting. Guidelines for these relationships should come from the same general Scriptural norms that apply to heterosexual relationships.

      November 28, 2012 at 3:52 pm |
    • Erik

      "I understand recessive genes, but even considering that, wouldn't this "g.a.y" gene (if you will) have eventually been gone?"

      No, it's a phenotype. Many genes, working in sync, contribute to the phenotype and therefore do have a role in sexual orientation. There are many biologic traits which are not specifically genetic but are biologic nonetheless. These traits are rooted in hormonal influences, contributed especially during the early stages of fetal development. This too is indisputable and based on extensive peer-reviewed research the world over. Such prenatal hormonal influences are not genetic per se, but are inborn, natural, and biologic nevertheless.

      November 28, 2012 at 3:54 pm |
    • Reality

      o "Abrahamics" believe that their god created all of us and of course that includes the g-ay members of the human race. Also, those who have studied ho-mo-se-xuality have determined that there is no choice involved therefore ga-ys are ga-y because god made them that way.

      To wit:

      1. The Royal College of Psy-chiatrists stated in 2007:

      “ Despite almost a century of psy-choanalytic and psy-chological speculation, there is no substantive evidence to support the suggestion that the nature of parenting or early childhood experiences play any role in the formation of a person’s fundamental heteros-exual or hom-ose-xual orientation. It would appear that s-exual orientation is biological in nature, determined by a complex interplay of ge-netic factors and the early ut-erine environment. Se-xual orientation is therefore not a choice.[60] "

      2. "Garcia-Falgueras and Swaab state in the abstract of their 2010 study, "The fe-tal brain develops during the intraut-erine period in the male direction through a direct action of tes-tosterone on the developing nerve cells, or in the female direction through the absence of this hor-mone surge. In this way, our gender identi-ty (the conviction of belonging to the male or female gender) and s-exual orientation are programmed or organized into our brain structures when we are still in the womb. There is no indication that social environment after birth has an effect on gender ident–ity or s-exual orientation."[8

      3. See also the Philadelphia Inquirer review “Gay Gene, Deconstructed”, 12/12/2011. Said review addresses the following “How do genes associated with ho-mose-xuality avoid being weeded out by Darwinian evolution?”

      http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/evolution/Gay-gene-deconstructed.html

      November 28, 2012 at 3:59 pm |
    • Reality

      "Most scientists who study human se-xuality agree that gay people are born that way. But that consensus raises an evolutionary puzzle: How do genes associated with ho-mo-se-xuality avoid being weeded out by Darwinian evolution?

      From the opening of the article in the Philadelphia Inquirer reference previously noted.

      November 28, 2012 at 4:04 pm |
    • religion; a way to control the weak minded

      " Would we excuse a murderer if we could show that he has a genetic predisposition to murder? Of course, not"

      Um yes we do.....you see it all of the time with "mentally ill" people who commit murder. They use their "illness" as a predisposition that causes them to kill, and we give them a pass

      November 28, 2012 at 4:05 pm |
    • John

      Evan.....
      So many sterling leaders,Jimmy Swaggert, Marjoe Gortner, Robert Tilton, Ian Bilby, Ted Haggard, Tammy Faye and Jim Baker, the list is long and yet you sheepies do not know when you are getting fleeced; hell, I will save you for half the price you are now paying, send your check to......

      November 28, 2012 at 4:12 pm |
    • Madtown

      Ho.mos.exual behavior is sinful and they know it
      -------
      "Sinful" only to you. Fortunately for all of us, you don't define right/wrong for anyone but yourself.

      November 28, 2012 at 4:34 pm |
  20. hinduism by Judaism self center ,secularism source of hindu filthy hinduism, racism.

    Word Gay is another word for hindu Judaism, filthy self center ism or secular ism, denial of truth absolute GOD, foundation of existence and bed rock of American contsi tution, granter of fundamental of human equality. Just another word for hinduism, illegality to hind, fool humanity. One has to be hindu, hind lover, to be in following of hindu filthy Zoroaster ism to commit hinduism, illegality of of hinduism, gay ism, by self center ism or atheism. Way of hindu's deniers of truth absolute GOD to promote hinduism, illegality of animals among humanity.

    November 28, 2012 at 3:32 pm |
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