By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor
(CNN) – The Alabama-based evangelist Christopher Hudson has posted online videos promoting his Seventh-day Adventist faith for years, but none generated the response of the one he posted a few days ago, featuring “Two and a Half Men” actor Angus T. Jones.
The video shows Jones, the CBS sitcom’s “half man,” describing the show he has appeared in for nearly a decade as “filth” and discouraging viewers from tuning in – which has attracted a crush of media attention.
Hudson, who flew to Los Angeles last week to tape the video with the 19-year-old actor, says his phone has been ringing off the hook ever since he posted the video online on Sunday.
Suddenly, reporters and plenty of others who’ve tuned into the wildly popular “Two and Half Men” want to know about the Seventh-day Day Adventist tradition, which Jones says in the online video he has recently joined, connecting his conversion to his new outlook on the show.
“I just kept learning the basic messages of the Seventh-day Adventist Church,” Jones says in the video, telling of stopping into a Seventh-day Adventist Church with a friend recently and finding himself gripped by the pastor’s message. “I just loved it.”
“Some of my family was like, 'Oh, he’s joining that SDA church – those cults' … and tried to get me to get out of there,” Jones continues in the video. “But I didn’t feel like I was being fooled. I could study it for myself.”
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In a statement released Tuesday, the Seventh-day Adventist Church in North America says Jones joined one of its Southern California congregations in June.
“Recently, Angus made some statements concerning his spiritual journey and expressed his views concerning the television program Two and a Half Men,” the statement says. “These comments are of a personal nature, reflecting his views after having undergone changes during his spiritual journey.”
“We welcome him with open arms to the worldwide Seventh-day Adventist Church family and are excited about his commitment to God through his recent baptism at his church.”
Religion scholars say they were not surprised by Jones’ comments deriding “Two and a Half Men,” speculating that his remarks might speak to the zeal of a new convert and to some of the particular tenets of Seventh-day Adventism.
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“Seventh-day Adventism has traditionally sought to practice a purity of life in all its expressions – leading a healthy lifestyle in all ways,” says Dell De Chant, a religious studies professor at the University of Southern Florida. “For Seventh-day Adventists, the body is God’s temple.”
“Everything from bad food to bad jokes would be considered a religious violation,” he says, referring to the raunchy humor that is a hallmark of “Two and a Half Men.”
One explanation for the abstemious Seventh-day Adventist lifestyle – which includes avoiding meat and alcohol – is a belief that we are living in the end times, and that Jesus Christ’s return is imminent.
The Seventh-day Adventist faith, part of the Protestant Christian tradition, emerged in the mid-1800s among a group of Americans who were anticipating the end of the world in a very real sense.
After the predicted date came and went – an event known to history as the “Great Disappointment” – the visions of a leader named Ellen White led to a reinterpretation of biblical prophesy and gave birth to the Seventh-day Adventists.
The tradition, which claims 17 million members around the world, takes its name from its observance of the Saturday Sabbath.
It still has an apocalyptic orientation. Hudson, the evangelist who taped the Jones video, is fond of citing the Book of Revelation, which revolves around the end of the world.
“We are sharing the gospel to hasten the second coming of Jesus Christ,” says Hudson, who contacted Jones through a California-based Seventh-day Adventist ministry.
Speaking about “Two and a Half Men," which was in the headlines last year after the very public departure of star Charlie Sheen, Hudson says, “We don’t want anything debilitating our natural capacities in our mind.”
“We have to cast off the works of darkness, from fornication to drunkenness to the things that may be a part of pop culture,” he says.
In its statement on Tuesday, the Seventh-day Adventist Church alludes to Hudson, saying the person who hosts the media ministry where the Jones interview was posted is not a Seventh-day Adventist pastor.
Hudson, for his part, says he was born into the Seventh-day Adventist Church and was baptized in the year 2000, describing himself as an evangelist who “travels around and shares the message of Jesus.”
His ministry, the Forerunner Chronicles, posted the video on its website.
On Tuesday, Jones released a statement apologizing for possibly offending the cast and crew of “Two and a Half Men” in the video.
“I have been the subject of much discussion, speculation and commentary over the past 24 hours,” Jones says in the statement. “While I cannot address everything that has been said or right every misstatement or misunderstanding, there is one thing I want to make clear.
“Without qualification,” the statement continues, “I am grateful to and have the highest regard and respect for all of the wonderful people on Two and Half Men with whom I have worked and over the past ten years who have become an extension of my family. “
The statement does not mention Jones’ newfound faith. But Hudson says he talked to Jones on Monday and that “he is certainly maintaining himself quite well.”
“I really have a great deal of respect for this young man,” Hudson says. “He is mature beyond his years.”
All religions are fake and man made and pretty much evil.
I guess I should be a quiet atheist again. People keep telling me I'm "angry with God" This is complete lack of reason, so once again.....I don't believe there is a "god" I might be angry with quarks and leptons because of my lack of education in subatomic particles. I don't hate christians who are quiet about their faith I hate heroine addicts who die of an overdose shooting up under a bridge. Our society has to pay to haul away the wasted life of the addict under the bridge, and our society has to pay for all the harm the noisy religious garbage put upon us. If the heroine addict doesn't commit crimes to support the habit, and keeps the horrible addiction behind closed doors, I'm fine with that. Trouble is, the christians DO commit crimes by threatening children with "hell" and messing up our government. GO PRAY BEHIND CLOSED DOORS (Poor Angus should have kept his mouth shut, he still could have gotten his "fix" from his religion and not hurt his coworkers.) He DOES have LOTS of money, so he can free himself from religious delusion with education, (if they don't take it all from him.) I was about his age the last time I went into a church. QUIT THE CHURCH, RELIGION IS A LIE. OH THE GLORY OF THE TRUTH, OF SCIENCE , OF REASON.!!!!!! BECOMING AN ATHEIST WILL BE THE MOST "SPIRITUAL" AWAKENING YOU CAN EVER HAVE,
The "angry at God" argument is number thirteen on my top thirteen list of the most irritatinly stupid arguments made here. It is foolish pablum, but they can't help using it all the same.
13. Atheists hate (and/or are mad at) God.
eg: You atheists here are so full of hate. Right back atcha baby.
eg: Atheists hate God. A ludicrous notion, how can you resent something you don’t believe exists.
Threatening children with hell substantially increases the number of them who stay happy and alive to a reasonable age. Not all! But empirically, who has the better outcome: the reformed Angus Jones or the unreformed Charlie Sheen?
In any case, what's wrong with this character trumpeting his religion if you seem to feel comfortable with devoting a large paragraph's worth of empty sarcasm to it? You don't have any better of a justification to be "angry" at a group of people who are merely annoying you, than they do to say that you are angry at God.
The religious are not "merely annoying me." They are causing great harm to children, who will then be in high school , and be all screwed up in their biology and math classes, which will lead them to be one of the many that make our test scores as a nation to continue to plummet. We are the laughing stock of developed countries because of the Talibangelical.
Nietodarwin, for what it's worth, when people say you are angry with God, they are implying that there is no such thing as a true atheist. You may find that offensive. I just wanted you to know what they mean.
You claim to be an atheist...I hope I am standing next to you when Jesus returns...I have 100% confidence that you'll become a believer in an INSTANT!
The "end is nigh" nonsense actually originated as the Jewish answer to the failure of their covenant belief. This quintessential Jewish doctrine of the "Covenant" held that god had chosen the Jews as his favorite people and would look after them if they kept his law – circu.mcising boys, not working on the Sabbath etc.
Unfortunately, after a few hundred years of keeping the law, but being overrun by everybody except the Australian Aboriginals, the Jews naturally started to question where their god was and why he wasn’t keeping his end of the deal.
By about 200 BC, two schools had developed to explain why they were experiencing exactly what one would expect if there were no god. First, the “we’re being punished for our sins” school arose, that taught that the Jews were not living according to their sky-god’s law and that the sky-god was punishing them. This worked for a while, until they started to realize that those who TOTALLY ignored his law (i.e. gentiles) were doing much better than the Jews.
So, once again they had to explain why they were experiencing exactly what one would expect if there were no god. Shazam, the apocalyptic school was born. This school taught that, while the gentiles were doing better NOW, the day would come when they would get their comeuppance. The Jews were suffering because of Satan (invented for this purpose and appearing nowhere in earlier Jewish literature) but God would return and defeat Satan in an epic battle. THEN the Jews would get their just rewards and the evil would be punished.
This view was perfect, because you never had to deliver. You could just keep putting off the issue by answering any skeptic with the “any day now” response. It was (and is) perfect to explain why they were experiencing exactly what one would expect if there were no god.
The Seventh Day Adventists Church does this now. The Palestinians do the same thing with Allah, claiming the Jews will get their comeuppance “one day…one day, you mark my words”. So do Christians, in a sense, with the “he’ll burn in hell for that” response they proffer when they feel somebody has gotten away with something they don’t like.
So do the Chicago Cubs. -:)
Jesus himself believed the end was iminent as did St. Paul. They expected the second coming in their lifetime. They were wrong, as has every apocalyptic prophet since then to and including Ellen White, David Koresh, Harold Camping, the idiot Christian Evangelicals and the 21 December 2012 nuts.
What this Jewish apologist view did do, however, was spawn a genre of writing at the time called “Apocrypha.” Revelations from the Bible was simply one of many of these stories floating around the Middle East at the time. Apocrypha were the ancient equivalent of horror stories, written to frighten and entertain the public, much the same way that Shakespearean plays did in the 1600s and Stephen King novels do today.
You have to remember that those people had no vampires, serial killers or evil corporations to do the trick. They had to rely on what they had- gods. Revelations happened to find its way into the Bible in the way that a Stephen King novelette might find its way into “A Collection of Modern American Literature”.
Apocrypha were not meant to be taken seriously, but to entertain and, sometimes, pass on a message from the author. Unfortunately, once Revelations found its way into the Bible, this particular pulp fiction story was guaranteed to be reinterpreted by every generation since then as applying to that generation’s particular time and place in history. The early 21st Century is no exception, save that we have even less excuse for taking it seriously today. Taking Revelations seriously and as applying to the 21st Century USA is every bit as ridiculous as trying to apply a Stephen King novel to a particular generation in a country that will not even exist for another 1776 years on the other side of the planet.
You just had to bring up the Cubs didn't you. >:(
SDA is a false religion that leads to hell, since works can't save. So stay away from SDA. The truth is that Jesus Christ, God Himself, is the only way to heaven. And that is because we are all sinners, and our sins must be paid for, but nothing we do can pay for our sins (not works, deeds, religions, anything). That is why Jesus came and died on the cross as the payment for our sins, and why Jesus raised up from death. So the only way to heaven, is by believing in the Lord Jesus Christ as Savior
I wouldn't be so sure that Seventh-day Adventists teach that salvation by works. Some members may believe so, but many do not and the official beliefs of the church state that a person is "saved by grace through faith." Besides, of all Christian groups or denominations, the only groups that keep all of God's Ten Commandments are Jews, Seventh-day Baptists, and Seventh-day Adventists. I think he is in good company if he is trying to honor God and not men. Thanks for your post.
SDA does teach salvation by works, which leads to hell (Romans 4:5). If it talks like a duck and walks like a duck, it's a duck.
To to their website and look it up. I have a neighbor who is an Seventh-day Adventist Pastor. He believes in salvation by grace through faith more than Billy Graham does!
I know for a fact that the SDA church does not teach Salvation by works. I teaches salvation by faith. Your faith in God will save you not works.
That was supposed to be It teaches not I.
All religions are false.
Well, I am not going to fight you to the grave on that point, because it may be true for some or even most members, but not all. And plus, I agree that the only way a person can get to heaven is by faith. Let's just pray that Agnus learns the true gospel which I believe that many SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISTS believe, love, and teach.
Greetinngs Abe, I don´t know where you have this from. But Seventh Day Adventist do not teach salvation by works. SDA belief in salvation by faith alone through grace. We belief though that each individual is rewarded by his works but salvation is an entire different thing. As a SDA I do know of people in the church even members that do belief this or atleast at times act this way. But this does not mean that the SDA Denomination teaches people that they will be saved on their works. Actually there are other churches out there that put more emphasis on people to work for example Yehova witnesses. They put focus on working and testifing on the streets. If you are not busy doing this they put you as a member on non-active. We don´t go to far in this we believe that one hast to be motivated by Love to reach others in Love for Love (God) And nothing against Yehova Witnesses lovely people! Just taking an example. The issue with every church is that it consists of visitors and members. Every church is actually a hospital for sinners. So, you will have to find liars, thiefs, falsewitnesses, and so on. This is perfectly healthy. God does not demand from a person to come holy when He comes to God. This is a life proces. And every christian grows differently. Some don´t even want to go, some grow slowly some grow fast. What I´m basically saying is that you cannot go after peoples individual comments or acts to determine what a church teaches. You have to go to the foundational teachings or doctrinal teachings. We as SDA have 28 Doctrinal Teachings. By the way I am not trying to convince any person for that is not my work but I am trying to clear things. See our SDA foundational teachings for the answer! Now let me go on what the bible teaches. The bible teaches that we are saved by grace but also show importance to practice and work out your salvation. These 2 go hand in hand. Salvation is only depended on the offering of Christ there will be no person in heaven who will boast and say: I am here because of my works. NO NO" Everyone that will be in heaven will be there because of Christ. Now comes the second part. When you receive grace and salvation. Your second stage in your christian experience starts. This is what we call Sanctifcation. This is a life process. By doing 3 things you keep your faith warm and strong. 1 bible study 2 prayer 3 witnessing. These 3 do not grant you salvation Salvation is already given to you when you accept Christ. Now the bible speaks about running the whole race, working so that others will see the Love of God through your works, it is thus naturally so that you not only Belief but Act. If you are a thief. You not only think your a thief you act as a thief. So with a christian you not only say you belief or accept Christ gift of salvation but you live it out. There is nothing you can do to be saved for it it was so Christ would not need to come down as a perfect lamb and die in your place. The bible does teach about recompence for your works.And as SDA we believe that for every soul that is won through your witnessing a star will be placed in your crown at that day when Jesus will give all those a crown of glory. Now here is a part where I have to admit. There are people who have learned it incorrectly who put the emphasis on doing rather to be saved than doing because your saved. There are some members in the SDA Church who belief or act in ways that you get the impression that all what you do so your works, determine your salvation. Some choose to belief or act this way some are thaught again and again but again I say. You cannot go on what 1 person or some say about a religion. This counts for every church. So let me summarize. We believe that we have to have a healthy WALK EXPERIENCE in our christian progress. Thus just as Left and Right Legs are needed to move. We move with Faith and with Works. If one is not doing what he says he beliefs then what point does your faith really have? So again SDA do not teach salvation by works. I quess people get this impression because it may seem so that we have allot of guiding principles in every area that we live out. Like health for example But all these if done by love would never count as a rule but be just naturally living. May God bless everyone. more questions or comments email me at email@example.com
Abe, the Ten Commandments were actually written by Jesus, as the pre-incarnate Christ was Himself the Old Testament Jehovah. To turn the grace of Christ in opposition to the Law of God is a falsehood.
That said, I believe that every religion which teaches that we can make ourselves better, and merit the favour of God, by our own effort, is a fraud. Christianity, which teaches that salvation is in the Person of Jesus Christ, is the only true religion, and the Seventh-day Adventist Church teaches Christianity most accurately.
Abe, when was the last time you spent a Sabbath in the SDA church? And when was the last time you devoted time to Bible study with them? You should not 'bear false witness'...it breaks a commandment! Unless you've spent time attending their services and taken time to get to know some of the members, then you shouldn't be falsely accusing them of anything.
Finally a report on the news on this testimony of Agnus that is balanced and true. I quess there is still hope in the media. One can write a report withouth twisting things or give a blurious outlook. As a SDA Youthworker I am glad Agnus has come in the SDA Denomination. But I would have been eagerly glad If he was at another church following Christ. The issue is not a church the focus is Jesus and the truth He stands for, He uses, to save, and clear up misconceptions. As SDA we belief 100 percent in the bible and we believe that Jesus is the embodiment of truth John17:17. The bible teaches that it is through the influence of truth that one is sanctified. For SDA we take the bible very seriously. Every subject of our faith is throughly researched and with leading universities they are at times again and again studied more in their depthness. It is no surpise for me to hear that some people branch us as a cult. The fact is we are very far from being a cult. I quess if we were cults all the other christian denomations would be one too because I like to view the SDA church has a collective embodiment of all truths that cluster together from different churches. In a sense we are baptist for we believe baptism by immersion according to the example of Jesus. We are catholics because we operate Universal. Catholics means worldwide. We are Yehova witnesses for believe and witness for Yehova. And so on and so on. When the truth was cast down through the ages God restored it slowly by moving different people through the ages and bringing together back the truths thought by the apostles. Read the Great Controversy for more info! We consider all other christian denominations as channels for people to come to Christ. But when it comes to the central pillars of doctrine we uphold what the bible exhaustively teaches and thus cast down myths like praying for the saints, purgatory, or teachings like ´you have an eternal soul´ or that God will burn people for ever and ever in Hell, or baptism of babies, confession to priest, and so forwards. Basically what is Central to the SDA is a whole life conversion and every truth revelead has to be played out and revealed trhough lifes. What is also central as the article says is that we see that the bible teaches that we are a Temple of God. Thus we avoid everything that has a negative influence on our body and mind. Not to be saved but because we are saved. Not to just say we do this just to do but we aim to live long life of health. For we belief in the 2 great commandments Jesus gave. Love to God Love to yourself and Love to your fellow men. Often we forget the second one which is part of both. When you have love for your own body you will not harm it by smoking, using drugs, using alcahol and so on. When God entrusts those with an immortal body in eternity this means that He knows you will take care of it. If we ruin our temporal bodies down here and we assume that with this kind of character we can enter heaven we are sadly mistaken. For God will only translate your character to an eternal vessel. So if you have habits of killing yourself slowly then God cannot entrust you with one eternal. It is as simple as that. And to come back on the 2 laws Jesus gave. When your healthy you can love God better and love your neighbour better as well. So health is a very central thing in adventist lifestyle. Thirdly we believe the Law the ten commandments God gave to Moses are to be the rule for our life. 4 to God and 6 to our fellow men. Some other christian denominations disagree with us on the 4 th law of the sabbath because they say jesus nailed it on the cross. There are other reasons but this is one major argument that is used. First of all, what people need to understand is that the 10 commandments are the same law as to what Jesus came to teach! Some christians are more comfortable to stress out these 2 laws of Jesus calling them new which they aren´t then preaching the 10 commandments. When you really keep those 2 laws then you will never break those 10. And when you keep those 10 laws (and ofcourse out of love) you will keep automatically those 2 laws. Actually the issue is not at all the law, the issue is not at all the day of worship. For every faith keeps mostly sunday as a day of worship. A day for worship is central in every faith. We just see harmony in scripture for the day of worship To be on the 7th day not the first day. Actually any bible sholar must know that the sabbath was always the day to worship. The difference is just that people worship on the first day is because Christ rose on the first day and there may be other reasons but this one is one mayor reason. And as good as it may sound, and as good as the intentions may be yet it still not something Christ commanded to be observed.You will go from the old to the new back and forth you will have no command of God or Jesus ever giving sunday the first day of the week as the day of worship it was and is and will always be the 7th day. Some people may say it does not matter which day you worship you have to worship every day. Well it is true that you are to worship God every day but God made it clear in the 4th commandment that 6 sixs are for work and one day is to rest and worship the One that made it all. The point is we see that it is important to take Gods will to the letter. If He said on the seventh day who am I to say otherwise~? More so if I am a christian! For If I am a christian I must walk Like Christ. And He kept the day of worship in his life and even at his death. Besides this to say Jesus nailed the law on the cross is something very absurd and stupid to say or assume. How can God nail and break down His own Will? Most of the time people don´t use this argument with the other laws. But when it comes to the fourth they suddenly use all kinds of reasons to avoid it. Anyways so we as SDA put emphasis on Rest and Worship. The next thing that is central to the SDA is the Second Coming. Advent means the coming of. We belief that Jesus is soon to come and this is not a strange docrine at all. The other central thing in Adventism is the Sanctuary. Just as God instructed moses to build a sanctuary back then the principles and steps for salvation are drafted in the Sanctuary. Thats why we believe in accepting Jesus, Accepting his sacrifce on the cross as the lamb who died. We believe in baptism, We believe in studying the bible, prayer, giving testimony and in the holiest of holiest we encouter Gods Law, Gods glory, Gods Reconciliation. There is actually nothing cultlike in the SDA denomination. Ive been studying other great religions as well as other denominations and it is a very dumb remark actually to say SDA is a Cult movement or so. I quess in this world wether you are good or bad people will always use lies, negative remarks, and gossip about you. This counts either personally and for every church. I don´t think God expects from Agnus to hate or say negative things from his producers or the work he has done. Actually He would command him to love them now even more! So, Im very glad to hear he has apoligized. And common people we all know that hollywood movies and tvv shows aren´t the highest moral things to see or view. Yes it is fun and yes it is entertainment but there is more to life then just enterntainment. The truth of the matter is, time is ticking away for this earth and God will do His utmost effort to save those who will abide under the shadow of His will. The fact of the matter is, we all know this world is going to end one day! Hollywood is the greatest testimonial factor to this. God has come down become like men, to save men and to bring him one day back towards Him. This is the plan of salvation. And you may believe the lie of the enemy that you just life once and you waste your life on all pleasure there is but there is more to life then just party, fame and money. When you accept God your investing your life to the eternal life there where there will be no death, no war nothing that is evil. I think He made a wise decision. But even agnus can return back to his old life. If he decides to do that. Even God will respect Him. And I believe everyone every fan, every churchmember should give him the room and space and time to live out his choice. I will end by these words. John 3:16 For God, So loved the World that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. May God bless everyone either a believer or a nonbeliever. if you have questions just mail them to firstname.lastname@example.org God bless
Ever heard of a paragraph? Geez. Responses like yours that go on and on, blah, blah, blah, blah are not believable. You remind me of the nut job that stands on the street corner yelling out about the bible – same nonsense. Who cares? If you can't make a coherent point in a sentence or two you are not credible.
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(perhaps you got a buzz-on writing it, kevin, but few, if any will read it)
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See? I can babble on endlessly too...
Brevity is your friend.
Harry Potter sat in his bedroom at Number Four Privet Drive quietly. He was staring out the window at the backyard.
Harry's cousin, Dudley Dursley, and his best mate, Piers Polkiss, were running back and forth over a sprinkler in the yard – trying to keep cool in the summer heat. Harry mentally cursed them for their lack of worry – he could never relax like that, not with Voldemort on the loose. IIndeed, Voldemort always seemed to be at the top of Harry's list of worries. It didn't help that he hadn't a thing to do and no one from the Order of the Phoenix had been in contact with him since his school, Hogwarts, had let out for the summer almost a week ago. Previous to the last summer, that wouldn't have been a surprise, but last year he was given some training by the Order to help him in the war against Voldemort. Without the training, Harry felt that he might just have gone insane. He hoped that wouldn't happen this summer. Not even the Daily Prophet – the main paper of the Wizarding world – could hold Harry's attention anymore. The articles in it were filled with Voldemort's deeds – attacks on both the Muggle and Wizarding worlds filled every page – but the Muggle newspaper and, in fact, the news on the TV were both much the same. It was all things he'd heard about before, just from a different, more knowing perspective. After a while, even he was sure to get bored of it. Harry tugged his wand out of his pocket and stared at it for a long moment, before he started tapping it on the window sill. He wondered how Hermione Granger and Ron Weasley – his two best friends – were doing. He wondered how all of the members of the DA were feeling. Did they blame themselves, as he blamed himself, for the deaths of two of their numbers that past school year? Did they read the paper everyday and watch the news as he did?
Harry glanced over at the small memorial he'd set up for the four fellows he'd watched fall to Voldemort's people. Pictures of Cedric Digory, Sirius Black, Cho Chang, and Marietta Edgecombe stared back at him. Cedric was smiling at him reassuringly while Cho looked like she was about to cry and Marietta scowled at him; she'd never liked him. Sirius was grinning happily, looking like he was ready to prank anyone who came up next to him. A small picture frame sat next to the memorial, the happy faces of Harry's parents smiling out at him from it. A batch of freshly picked flowers from his Aunt Petunia's garden sat in front of the memorial and picture frame
Thank you for your information. Those that are posting complaints probably cant comprehend. We will try to write with smaller less complicated words.
Re: paragraphs and formatting, easier to read bullsh!t is still bullsh!t, unless of course the SDAs have what no other cult has ever produced – proof that their god exists. We're waiting. . .
The Seventh Day Adventist religion sound like a boring religion to be part of since edgy humor is frowned upon and they are always worried about Doomsday. I wonder what attracted this child actor to a faith of doom and gloom? What's it fear?
Probably a higher standard and level of commitment that most other churches do. C'mon. Do you really believe that joining a church that is just based on positive mental thinking is going to appease to someone in drugs and going through a family crisis? Of course not! Joel Osteen and most TV preachers today don't preach a gospel of commitment, self-denial, and commitment. It's just all about self-help, you can do it if you set your mind to it, live your best life now. I'm happy for Agnus, since he is answering to a higher authority and a higher call than just to get more money, or a better business, etc. He wants to live eternity, it seems to me.
not working from sunset Friday to sunset Saturday...very attractive for a 19 yo who should be out chasing tail til daylight every night
I just think it's sad that a 19 year old, who should be experimenting with thoughts and ideas for several years, has made this kind of public statement which is likely to box him in and limit his growth. I don't say this with any particular feelings about the SDA church, but would caution any kid this age from making such statements, especially when it is at the expense of his or her career. Perhaps kids should have studied developmental psychology by this age (in high school?), so they know to expect growth and change in their beliefs and to be more cautious.
Christopher Hudson used Angus T. Jones. He used his celebrity as propaganda for Seventh Day Adventism. Christopher Hudson is no different to the Hollywood parasites that prey on child actors.
@I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV
Hopefully some education developmental psych would prep a kid on how to avoid being used by someone like that.
BBB, I am a Seventh-day Adventist. Am I worried about "doomsday?" No way! I love Jesus and I want Him to come and rule the earth, though it means the destruction of evil - the sooner the better!
It is so nice when someone who has a bad flu and a fever finally has the fever break, and gets up walking around, and starts eating good food and getting their color back. That's what's happening to this country with the illness of religion, we're FINALLY getting healthy, getting our color back, and getting down to the values of what our SECULAR nation is all about.
To those who agree, go check out all the good work and good info at Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF.org)
To those who disagree, grow a pair and go there too, they have a nice bible knowledge quiz, and a separation of church and state quiz. (I know, it might be SCARY for you if you are still a "believer.")
Really? The religion of Hollywood is healthier for the country? I guess, to each his own. "Atheism is the natural reaction to an apostate religion."
I want to talk about the Republicans and John McCain trying to mess things up again, not some mis guided kid and religion. Religion is a choice, but it is a personal choice. And no one religion can out do the other. God does not speak to you thru what the pastor is saying, he speaks to you because you took the time to speak to him
I was raised in the Seventh Day Adventist church. It is absolutely a cult and was nothing but harmful for me. The psychological effects still haunt me day to day, long after I've left. I have no idea how this kid got sucked into it but I feel nothing but pity for him. Biggest mistake of his life – and that has nothing to do with the fame and fortune he left behind. :( Oh well.
Leaving the Church may have been the biggest mistake you have ever made. If you read the bible and follow it, then clearly you would know that there is no era in the church
Congratulations on escaping. I expect it was difficult.
I don't consider a church that has over 1 million members in the USA to be a cult. It sucks that your experience with the church was bad but not every SDA church has the same view points.
I am Seventh-Day Adventist and my family and I watch Two and a Half Men. The SDA church is still struggling to overcome the fundametalist view points that was popular in the 1930's. Sadly a lot of the southern churches and church members are very conservitive and close minded. If Mr. Jones is learning the SDA principles from southern pastors then he is having a misguided view of what the true SDA religion is all about.
If you want to watch two and a half men that is all on you,but please don' t knock those who decide to be careful what they watch.
If you choose not to watch certain shows or movies becuase it is something you believe in thats great, but just becuase you are of SDA faith doesn't mean you can't watch it.
My Neighbor is an Seventh-day Adventist Pastor in Los Angeles, CA , and your comment is a stereo type. He teaches "salvation by Grace" and is very balanced and normal. In fact, I have gone to his church, and it seems that of most churches, his church is one of the few that ACTUALLY teach, preach, and follow what the bible says. If in today's smorgasbord of faith and religions someone is looking for Truth, I suggest they actually check out Seventh-day Adventist. It's more than a church. It's a movement.
Justin, are you afraid something naughty might get in your head by accident?
Hollywood, I totally agree that the church teaches Salvation by faith, but the church is struggling to move past some of the priniples that are from a different era. A lot of the churchs are moving past the conservitive views but there are still churchs that are struggling to get out of the past and into the present. The church will lose the younger generations becuase they still have older views that the young generations don't believe in. The future of the SDA church depends on the youth and if they leave the church it will die out. The generations need to work together to save the SDA religion.
Yeah, make sure and screw around with the tenets until there's something that pulls the masses back in, because that's what's important.
If you have to change any of your rules, then they were never much to go by anyway. Oops.
Ty, if you think the SDA Church needs to get over its emphasis on purity of life, maybe you should be asking God for a whole new touch.
A non story story untill the Chad enters, let us pray. that HE does not, prayer does not work, be prepared.
In reality, Christianity/Catholicism should not exist since it is based on flawed history and theology. Without these flaws, there would be no RCC and therefore no priests and therefore no cases of priestly pedophilia. Ditto for all the other Christian sects like the Southern Baptist Convention and Seven Day Adventists where pedophilia and coverups have been a major issue. Judaism with its flawed history and theology is in the same situation. Correct the flaws and there would be no Judaism and therefore no rabbis and therefore no cases of rabbinic pedophilia.
what did i just read?
Only for the those interested in a religious update to include the FLAWS in Christianity and Judaism:
1. origin: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F20E1EFE35540C7A8CDDAA0894DA404482
“New Torah For Modern Minds
Abraham, the Jewish patriarch, probably never existed. Nor did Moses. The entire Exodus story as recounted in the Bible probably never occurred. The same is true of the tumbling of the walls of Jericho. And David, far from being the fearless king who built Jerusalem into a mighty capital, was more likely a provincial leader whose reputation was later magnified to provide a rallying point for a fledgling nation.
Such startling propositions – the product of findings by archaeologists digging in Israel and its environs over the last 25 years – have gained wide acceptance among non-Orthodox rabbis. But there has been no attempt to disseminate these ideas or to discuss them with the laity – until now.
The United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism, which represents the 1.5 million Conservative Jews in the United States, has just issued a new Torah and commentary, the first for Conservatives in more than 60 years. Called "Etz Hayim" ("Tree of Life" in Hebrew), it offers an interpretation that incorporates the latest findings from archaeology, philology, anthropology and the study of ancient cultures. To the editors who worked on the book, it represents one of the boldest efforts ever to introduce into the religious mainstream a view of the Bible as a human rather than divine docu-ment. “
Adverb: Almost certainly; as far as one knows or can tell.
2. Jesus was an illiterate Jewish peasant/carpenter/simple preacher man who suffered from hallucinations (or “mythicizing” from P, M, M, L and J) and who has been characterized anywhere from the Messiah from Nazareth to a mythical character from mythical Nazareth to a ma-mzer from Nazareth (Professor Bruce Chilton, in his book Rabbi Jesus). An-alyses of Jesus’ life by many contemporary NT scholars (e.g. Professors Ludemann, Crossan, Borg and Fredriksen, ) via the NT and related doc-uments have concluded that only about 30% of Jesus' sayings and ways noted in the NT were authentic. The rest being embellishments (e.g. miracles)/hallucinations made/had by the NT authors to impress various Christian, Jewish and Pagan sects.
The 30% of the NT that is "authentic Jesus" like everything in life was borrowed/plagiarized and/or improved from those who came before. In Jesus' case, it was the ways and sayings of the Babylonians, Greeks, Persians, Egyptians, Hitt-ites, Canaanites, OT, John the Baptizer and possibly the ways and sayings of traveling Greek Cynics.
For added "pizzazz", Catholic theologians divided god the singularity into three persons and invented atonement as an added guilt trip for the "pew people" to go along with this trinity of overseers. By doing so, they made god the padre into god the "filicider".
Current RCC problems:
Pedophiliac priests, an all-male, mostly white hierarchy, atonement theology and original sin!!!!
2 b., Luther, Calvin, Joe Smith, Henry VIII, Wesley, Roger Williams, the Great “Babs” et al, founders of Christian-based religions or combination religions also suffered from the belief in/hallucinations of "pretty wingie thingie" visits and "prophecies" for profits analogous to the myths of Catholicism (resurrections, apparitions, ascensions and immacu-late co-nceptions).
Adulterous preachers, pedophiliac clerics, "propheteering/ profiteering" evangelicals and atonement theology,
"The Seventh-day Adventist Church (The Great Disappointment) is a Protestant Christian denomination distinguished by its observance of Saturday, the original seventh day of the Judeo-Christian week, as the Sabbath, and by its emphasis on the imminent second coming (advent) of Jesus Christ.
Much of the theology of the Seventh-day Adventist Church corresponds to Protestant Christian teachings such as the Trinity and the infallibility of Scripture. Distinctive teachings include the unconscious state of the dead and the doctrine of an investigative judgment.
The Seventh-day Adventist Church formed out of the movement known today as the Millerites. In 1831, a Baptist convert, William Miller (until then a Deist), was asked by a Baptist to preach in their church and began to preach that the Second Advent of Jesus would occur somewhere between March 1843 and March 1844, based on his interpretation of Daniel 8:14. A following gathered around Miller that included many from the Baptist, Methodist, Presbyterian and Christian Connection churches. In the summer of 1844, some of Miller's followers promoted the date of October 22. They linked the cleansing of the sanctuary of Daniel 8:14 with the Jewish Day of Atonement, believed to be October 22 that year. By 1844, over 100,000 people were anticipating what Miller had called the "Blessed Hope". On October 22 many of the believers were up late into the night watching, waiting for Christ to return and found themselves bitterly disappointed when both sunset and midnight passed with their expectations unfulfilled. This event later became known as the Great Disappointment."
I'm sure "2 and 1/2" will get a ratings bump from "filthy and nasty" TV viewers and connoisseurs. No such thing as bad publicity.
You are probably right, but so is Angus. He's trying to rescue anyone who will listen to him, and no doubt someone will.
There's no such place as University of Southern Florida.You should have written University of South Florida.
The last time that Seventh Day Adventists knocked on my door, I wasn't home. They helpfully left me one of their tracts.
They >really don't like Jesuits.
That's because Jesuits are VERY highly educated and intellectual, (although still deluded "believer' and part of the monstrosity that is the catholic church) They certainly aren't so stupid and harmful as to deny the FACT of evolution.
How did the scientologists miss out on this kid? I thought that was the actor's cult of choice.
I was thinking that too. I bet their their LA celebrity outreach people got a major dressing down from their CO for not bringing young Angus into the fold.
Scientology, lol. Talk about Brainwashing. When the founder of a belief system actually authors a book called Brainwashing, I'd say that might not be the best system to follow.
It would appear that Angus did not choose a religion for his own convenience, like so many other actors. Rather, it seems God has chosen Angus, and that will probably change his life quite radically.
He is certainly free to believe whatever he wishes to.
I believe that the show is pure garbage, so I don't watch it.
So which of these quotes feels the most accurate:
"'Two and a Half Men' is filth." – Angus T. Jones (approximated)
"That show ['Two and a Half Men'] is cursed" – Charlie Sheen
“I really have a great deal of respect for this young man [Angus T. Jones], he is mature beyond his years.” – Christopher Hudson, Seventh Day Adventist propagandist
"He'll never work in this town again." – every Hollywood TV producer*
* Well, not on the record, but ...
Here we have a child actor, presumably surrounded by the crowd regular Hollywood parasites, who finds "God" in what is essentially a cult.
Now that cult trots out a propaganda piece that will destroy the career of the child actor for the purpose of promoting Seventh Day Adventism, no matter what the personal cost.
Angus T. Jones replaced one set of parasites for another. It must be a really terrible thing to be a child star. I wouldn't wish it on anyone.
I feel really sorry for this kid. What a mess.
Just because SDA's follow what the Bible says instead of what the Pope says or what is politically correct, does not make them a cult. You think they're a cult because you just don't want to do what God wants, only what YOU want. Do more research, Satan.
@not a GOPer
LOL Good job you got another religious zealot to show their own self-righteous idiocy.
nothing like using the four letter "c" word (you know "cu*t") to get them to come out.
I guess I should make the quote literal rather than approximate:
"I'm on 'Two and a Half Men' and I don't want to be on it. Please stop watching it. Please stop filling your head with filth." – Angus T. Jones.
I'm from Alabama. The Baptist down here refer to the Seventh Day Adventist, and the Church of Christ, as crazy fundamentalists.
How far down the fucking rabbit hole do you have to be for the Baptists to to consider you nuts?
SDA's have, loudly, predicted the end of world three times within my life time. They will not eat shrimp, or pork. They don't dance, and they go to church two or three days a week. They are fvcking out there.
I have news for you Huebert...you are ALL OUT THERE...now get back in the hole and out of the rain
Actually @Huebert. As an Adventist I most certainly do dance. You may be thinking of a lot more of the fundamentalist Adventists. We also do not tend to go to Church 2-3 times a week. There's one church service a week and then throughout the week there may be Bible study groups you can get involved with, youth groups, or other sort of things. It's to build a sense of community. Most Churches you find will do something like that.
As for the end of the world. We do not know the time or the hour or the day at which Christ will return. We believe that you should live each day as if it is your last. To not let the sun set while you are mad at someone else or other similar things. It means living life in balance forgiving others and asking for forgiveness for your own sins.
The reason we do not eat Shrimp and Pork is Leviticus 11. If you look up verses 1-7 especially that will show why we do not eat Shrimp and Pork.
I'm pretty sure it wasn't the dirty jokes that made this show "filth" but the lack of any quality writers. But then again, having to write for a "winner" like Charlie Sheen for all those years could not have been easy on them...
The whole show is terrible. With or without Charlie Sheen. Ashton Kutcher is still playing Michael Kelso even though That 70s Show has been off the air for years.
do you suppose that is a reflection of the acting range of Ashton Kutcher?
"Dude, Where's My Car?" should answert that question.
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