By Dan Merica, CNN
Washington (CNN) – Televangelist Pat Robertson challenged the idea that Earth is 6,000 years old this week, saying the man who many credit with conceiving the idea, former Archbishop of Ireland James Ussher, “wasn’t inspired by the Lord when he said that it all took 6,000 years.”
The statement was in response to a question Robertson fielded Tuesday from a viewer on his Christian Broadcasting Network show "The 700 Club.” In a submitted question, the viewer wrote that one of her biggest fears was that her children and husband would not go to heaven “because they question why the Bible could not explain the existence of dinosaurs.”
“You go back in time, you've got radiocarbon dating. You got all these things, and you've got the carcasses of dinosaurs frozen in time out in the Dakotas,” Robertson said. “They're out there. So, there was a time when these giant reptiles were on the Earth, and it was before the time of the Bible. So, don't try and cover it up and make like everything was 6,000 years. That's not the Bible.”
Before answering the question, Robertson acknowledged the statement was controversial by saying, “I know that people will probably try to lynch me when I say this.”
“If you fight science, you are going to lose your children, and I believe in telling them the way it was,” Robertson concluded.
Forty-six percent of Americans believe that God created humans in their present form at one point within the past 10,000 years, according to a survey released by Gallup in June. That number has remained unchanged for the past 30 years, since 1982, when Gallup first asked the question on creationism versus evolution.
The Gallup poll has not specifically asked about views on the age of the Earth.
Ussher’s work, from the mid-1600s, is widely cited by creationists as evidence that Earth is only a few thousand years old. Answer in Genesis, the famed Christian creationist ministry behind the Creation Museum in Petersburg, Kentucky, cites Ussher as proof of Earth’s age. They describe the archbishop as “a brilliant scholar who had very good reasons for his conclusions concerning the date of creation.”
For Christians who read the creation account in Genesis literally, the six days in the account are strictly 24-hour periods and leave no room for evolution. Young Earth creationists use this construct and biblical genealogies to determine the age of the Earth, and typically come up with 6,000 to 10,000 years.
Most scientists, however, agree that the Earth is 4.5 billion years old and the universe is 14.5 billion years old.
The idea of creationism has been scorned by the mainstream scientific community since shortly after Charles Darwin introduced "The Origin of Species" in 1859. By 1880, The American Naturalists, a science journal, reported nearly every major university in America was teaching evolution.
The question about Earth’s age has been in the news recently. Earlier this month, Republican Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida attempted to walk the line between science and faith-based creationism in remarks that that provoked the ire of liberal blogs and left the door open to creationism.
“I'm not a scientist, man,” Rubio told GQ’s Micheal Hainey. “I can tell you what recorded history says, I can tell you what the Bible says, but I think that's a dispute amongst theologians and I think it has nothing to do with the gross domestic product or economic growth of the United States.”
– CNN’s Eric Marrapodi contributed to this report.
--Back by popular demand...JesusNotReligion-
Here's the deal...Next to the Book of Deuteronomy, Jesus quoted more from Genesis than any other Book of the Bible. He validated Creation (evidenced by His teaching on the "Sabbath" as a literal 24hr day corresponding to God's 7th day of rest) Adam & Eve, Noah & the Flood, and yes, even Jonah and the "great fish" (not "whale") events...So, if you recognize the existence of Jesus (not religion) as, at the very least, a "good moral teacher" who is not a "liar" (or an accomodator of a lie – since He would no longer be "moral" if He was either) then we who have personally received Him by grace alone-through faith alone have no other recourse but to follow our Lord and Savior in His teaching.
But...1) Jesus is more than "a good moral teacher"...and...2) Jesus is GOD the Son through Whom all things were created and are "upheld by the word of His power" – see Hebrews 1:1-3 below:
1 In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe. 3 The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.
Btw...The world is not going to end on 12/21 because the God of the Bible has promised that "the meek shall INHERIT THE EARTH",...and Jesus isn't coming back on 12/21 because He taught that "no one knows the day or the hour" of His return, but that it would be as it was in the days of Noah-people were scoffing, eating and drinking and given in marriage when suddenly, THE FLOOD hit....That being, JesusNotReligion will return – THE END...believe it or not! He also said, "repent or perish", which is the warning for all of us, lest you think me to be some self-righteous Bible-thumper. "THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NO NOT ONE"...WE ALL NEED THE SUBST!TUTIONARY SALVATION DEATH OF JESUS PURCHASED ON THE CROSS...Who do YOU say that He is?
This has been a public service announcement on behalf of the JESUS OF THE BIBLE...NOT RELIGION!
What the bible also says
17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”
Revelations 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.
45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.
46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.
Praise God for sending Jesus to save us from the lake of fire and praise God the Bible is historically and scientifically very accurate for around a 6000 year old earth that had dinosaurs in it as mentioned in Job about chapter 38 and 39.
Spirit Level...YOUR POINT? Perhaps if we understand God's righteous wrath against ALL OF US you may begin to appreciate the UNDESERVED killing (sacrificial death) of HIS OWN SON ON BEHALF OF SINNERS LIKE YOU AND ME..If that's not amazing grace to you then perhaps it wasn't for you...and you, like those of the flood who refused to heed Noah's message of salvation in his day, will likewise perish because you refused the salvation found only in His resurrected Son before He returns in glory. I'm not your judge...you are judging yourself unworthy of God's free offer of forgiveness...the gospel!
Btw...If you know the Bible then you also know that "the preaching of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing"
(1 Corinthians 1:18).
Jesus was "good moral teacher" who is not a "liar". But that doesn't mean he was right about creation. He told the truth as he knew it, so he was not lying. Jesus quoted Genesis because that was what he was taught about the world's origin, but he lived 2000 years ago, before modern science and before Darwin puzzled out evolution. Later scientific research has given us evidence of another origin scenario. If you take the religion out of Jesus, he was still a good, moral, honest man who preached what he thought to be true, especially about loving others as he loved us.
Btw...Pat Robertson is an easy target. He is a false prophet, claiming that Jesus was to return in 2008. Follow him and you too will fall into the pit with this blind leader of the blind...
Thanks for letting me know Pat R is a false prophet – I was just about to become a believer – NOT!
Spinner49...I am glad you at least acknowledge the existence of Jesus as recorded for us in the Bible...That's better than most of the others on this blog. Jesus also claimed to be GOD, which is why He was executed. He wasn't put to death for being a good moral teacher, a healer or one who keeps the golden rule, all of which He did do. He was crucified for claiming to be God, the prophesied the King of Israel (Messiah) and only Lord & Savior...Is He still a "moral" man if that claim was not true? Is He a liar, self-delusional lunatic or Lord? He asks this question of you: "Who do YOU say that I am?" Eternal life or death hang on your answer...
Jesus is Beautiful.
Beautiful teachings of the bible:
religion is man's attempt to reach out to god(s) – Christianity is God reaching out for man.
That's stupid because the bible is stupid. God would be smart and if he wanted to reach out to man he'd be able to do it. Something like math or chemistry where its impossible to disagree, not something like myth and religion where any two people can believe anything at all with no determinable consequence whatsoever.
The Evangelical Fortune Cookie Co writer's boot camp flunkie strikes again.
the earth was formed on march 30th 1982
The Earth was formed the moment you were born.
At what time?
Sue, I like you!
Forty-six per cent of Americans still believe in creationism?? That is unbelievable
Roughly the same amount of people who think Obama was born in Kenya and voted for Romney. Lord love em!
Yeah, it's the good old bible belt.
Isn't it amazing. I look at people around me and wonder... who are the idiots?
Yes levgram, it is amazing that that many people can delude themselves into believing in creationism. However, I think the percentage is not accurate simply because people are too afraid to admit that they don't believe in it, so they just say they do.
A lot more than that believe in Creationism! But we have a definition problem! "Creationism" now means a young earth! That is inaccurate. Not all who believe in a personal Creator think the earth is six to ten-thousand years old!
Some who believe in a Creator also believe that she wears green polkadot socks on 7 of her 49 antennae.
IT HAS TO BE SAID! Young Earth Creationism is a huge roadblock to faith in Christ! The Bible does NOT necessarily teach Young Earth. The language allows for long periods of time. Thoughtful people who would otherwise be followers of Christ are so irked at Young Earth Creationism they won't consider his claims. I've had it with Ken Ham and his ilk! I thought I would leave it alone since I thought it was a side issue. Now I think it's time to make some noise!
Actually, you're wrong. The word in Hebrew is the exact word for a 24 hour day. That didn't dissuade me from believing it meant "era" or "epoch" when I was a christian, but just so you know.
Teachings of the bible:
Ken Ham explains as do other creationists that creation is a foundational matter to the salvation story. I even knew that before they said it as should every Christian. If Genesis is a myth then so is the entire Bible fromt the front cover to the back cover. This is an undeniable fact. Without a young earth as taught in the Bible you can throw the entire Bible out because it makes no sense whatsoever. Genesis, creation and the flood are the foundation for the plan of salvation.
Throwing out the bible as nonsense sounds a good plan to me crc
@CRC Old Earth Creationism does not hold Genesis to be a "myth". If Ken Ham is right, then Psalm 19 is wrong.
@ Moby Schtick That is false! "Yom" can mean 12 hours, 24 hours, or long periods of time.
whats the matter all you masters of the universe? you move right on when faced with the idiotcy of the evolutionary line of thinking.
I'm not sure what you mean.
What in God's name are you talking about? Also, why did God create dolphin fins with fused knuckles? Obviously that couldn't be one of the tens of thousands of clear indications that life evolves.
What is the "idiotcy of the evolutionary line of thinking."
We refer to the "sun rise" as a traditional term of convenience though most of us understand that is not what actually happens. An accurate description would be a laborious pain in the neck. That's a single, isolated case that illustrates how language can simultaneously enable and and distort our thought.
A much broader difficulty arose when we first began trying to account for the dynamics of the universe and our place within it. Our puny languages (even those of science) are inadequate to confront the mysteries of the universe at large and our own spiritual perceptions. But we've never given up. When our expository language fails, we reach beyond it to fill the void with art, and in that we often find and preserve a truth that surpasses language. That is the mystery of inspiration, that thrilling shiver of recognition invoked by a symphony, a painting, a drama... perhaps a simple passage from the Bible. ("Whatever you have done to the least of my brethren..." always brings a lump to my throat.)
Happily, we often agree on things that inspire us (else no artist could make a living) and just as often we don't (else we'd all be after the same spouse). There is no right or wrong here. If you are a mathematician who can glimpse the mind of God in the elegance of an exotic equation, that is your truth and you own it. If your comfort is in the Scriptures, that is your truth and you own it. If you are presently advocating atheism, I welcome you and thank you for making me think. The trick is recognizing that in our hearts, our minds and our experience we are not just unique – we are also inherently legitimate. We are the beauty of God's diversity: She never repeats Herself.
Lovely. but if I'm getting surgery, I want it done by someone who doesn't seek artistry and beauty solely. This person also has to have an education that has some widely agreed upon science. When religion tries to DO science, it fails.
I think that Pat is trying to stay relevent in this 21st century and realizes the denial of evolution is akin to being a Flat Earther. Very smart on his part if he cares about his legacy at all. Hopefully his sheep will follow along as they always do. They'll just re-interpret scripture to ensure their delusion...er...faith is maintained.
Be Honest and Unbiased...
Rightly Divide The TRUTH! Seek and Find.... " Rightly-Dividing Geology and the Book of Genesis Beyond the Gap Theory of Creationism." http://www.kjvbible.org/
The gap theory is a false teaching developed by those wanting to marry evolution and creation and it has no basis in scripture at all. If the gap theory were true then you are still in your sins because you are fallen man but you are as you have always been and not truly fallen but as good as you have ever been. When God created the earth He did not create a fallen sinful creation, it was perfect from the very beginning. God creates all things perfect because that is what He has to do; He cannot create fallen or sinful creatures or creation. You have to read the whole Bible and take it all, not throw parts of it out because they don't fit your gap theory.
Don't b silly crc, the bible itself tells us god makes flawed things, he made Satan after all.
Wow, first time I ever heard anything intelligent, educated and enlightened from this guy's mouth .... WHO KNEW HE WAS CAPABLE OF IT ????
No one more suprised than me. But... and I can't believe I am saying this.... makes sense to me.
Everyone – Please read Dr. Gerald Schroeder's book "The Science of God" to find the answer, which is rooted in Einstein's Theory (now Law) of relativity. Both Science and the Bible are correct! You will better understand once you read his work. You will also learn that, indeed, dinosaurs (or "large reptile") are mentioned in the Bible. There ARE answers to these questions...
Quotes from Albert Einstein that show just how little he cared for religion:
The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still primitive legends. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this.
For me the Jewish religion like all other religions is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions. And the Jewish people to whom I gladly belong and with whose mentality I have a deep affinity have no different quality for me than all other people. As far as my experience goes, they are also no better than other human groups … I cannot see anything ‘chosen’ about them.
It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.
I am a deeply religious nonbeliever. This is a somewhat new kind of religion.
I have never imputed to Nature a purpose or a goal, or anything that could be understood as anthropomorphic. What I see in Nature is a magnificent structure that we can comprehend only very imperfectly, and that must fill a thinking person with a feeling of humility. This is a genuinely religious feeling that has nothing to do with mysticism.
The idea of a personal God is quite alien to me and seems even naïve.
Large parts of the Bible are demonstrably false. If a religious person was smart enough to understand Einstein's theory of relativity, he wouldn't be a religious person.
"The Science of God?" Man, talk about an oxymoron!
The theory of relativity is still the theory of relativity. A theory doesn't become a law in science.
And are you seriously trying to claim it help proves god?
My, my, what intellectual and spiritual weaklings some of you are. Open your mind so that your heart can receive. For starters, READ Schroeder's Science of God.
This "I'm way to smart to have Faith" b.s. doesn't cut it. It doesn't impress. To understand Biblical Truth, you must first have a full understanding of the Sciences. Keep that open mind, fellas. It'll do wonders.
Two questions were posed by the article: What is the "age" of the Earth, and does the Bible mention "dinosaurs"? Reading Science of God will go a long way in positively shaping your perception and understanding of the Bible. But it first takes intellectual effort, which is your "forte"?
'Course it does, Zeus, 'course it does.
There were SO MANY different types of dinosaurs, many of which were vastly LARGER than humans and any of mankind's largest adversaries in modern wildlife (say, bears, lions, elephants, rhinos, ....hell even woolly mammoths if you want to go back in time just a little bit). And yet, the bible does not mention any variety of dinosaur even once. Doesn't even mention woolly mammoths! Don't fool yourself dolt! People will write anything nowadays just to try to justify and accredit your ancient, worthless tome you call your holy book. Idiot!
'Course WHAT does?! What the HELL are you replying to dolt?!
The latest in a long line of books which are religious pretenders. The bible isn't about history or science. It just isn't. It isn't all things. It is about one religion. Let's just let it be what it is instead of extending it to greater absurdity.
The mental gymnastics that Schroeder goes through to try to make Genesis fit the scientific evidence make it obvious that he is a charlatan and a huckster that should be regarded with complete intellectual contempt.
The "'course it does" comment is in reply to your "The idea of a personal God is quite alien to me and seems even naïve" comment.
'Course it does because many who continually propagate an anti-Bible, anti-Christian theme means a lack of the right kind of knowledge to truly understand the world about them. Extreme selfishness leads to a very closed mind, breeds contempt for true knowledge-seeking, and is an ignorance unto itself.
masadaone: Einstein said that!
Too bad you missed all that ancient Wisdom.
@Zeus – Yes, missed the quote. Yet, I find it ironic that God would use a supposed non-believer as the medium for revealing to to mankind the different "ages" of our Universe. As Schroeder says: we now now that there are billions of points in our universe where, if a clock could be placed at these locations, would give a time measure of six twenty-four-hour Earth days (while these Universal bodies are in fact billions of years old from our worldly perspective!).
"Large parts of the Bible are demonstrably false. If a religious person was smart enough to understand Einstein's theory of relativity, he wouldn't be a religious person."
It seems that this is equating religiosity with literally believing in the Christian bible. Not only are most religious people not Christians, but a large percentage of Christians don't believe literally in the bible.
My, my, reason is slowly progressing in the world view of Pat Robertson. Fundamentalists shouldn't worry though. Progress with those folks will take another 10 million years. Things move very slowly within that 'old time religion'.
The guy is a politician. He's saying what he probably does believe in but, moreover, what's going to keep the money rolling in and keep him employed.
Who knew that Pat Robertson would say something about "Creationism" that I would agree with.
Pat also has been known to condone marijuana lately. It's almost as if he's becoming somewhat tolerable. Maybe.
me too. what next, tolerance for those who live and love differently than christians? nah, that's too unbelievable. but good going, pat. a chink in the wall of blindness is still a good thing to provide.
here's one for all you evolutionistic, bombastic duds! answer this one with your evolutionisticly enhance wisdom if you can. which evolved first – the heart or the lungs or the stomach or the liver? take one out of some evolutional suspect and see how long it takes them to grow another one.
You forgot your sarcasm tag.
take the CPU, power supply, front side bus, or hard drive out of your computer and see how well it runs. Which came first? I don't know. It's too complicated! It could never have evolved from a punch card or a vacuum tube or a mechanical relay. No!
"grow another one..."
You mean like a lizard?
uh, for reasons that are obvious to many here, you forgot the brain.
You can't take one or the other out of a humans! You've made a mistaken assumption that humans are the only form of life on earth. There are all sorts of creatures that don't have any of those organs and, in fact, MOST life on earth don't have those organs.
46% of Americans are retarded enough to think that "god" planted humans in their present form here on earth within the last 10,000 years when Science (Praise Be Upon It!) shows via carbon dating that modern human fossils can be dated at roughly 30,000 years old, at a time when Neanderthals started to disappear from the fossil record. It is also shown via DNA analysis that Neanderthals obviously mated with modern humans as every race except sub-Saharan Africans are now known to share some DNA with Neanderthals. Proof! Proof! Proof!
Oh well, roughly the same "half" of Americans are also retarded enough to be Republikkkan, so I guess this is no surprise.
Pretty good overlap, anyway.
Dude... Awesome comments. Made my night. Still believe we can grow as humans without killing ourselves with man made religion. Some day we may come together and understand the universal commonality of all.
Creationists have explained the conflict in Earth's age by positing that God created Earth by gathering materials from planets already in existence. Among this material were dinosaur bones, fossils, etc. Meanwhile, I'm saddened that 46% of Americans will buy into the Earth being less than 10,000 years old. One can be a scientist and a Christian – they are not mutually exclusive. But, if you want to interpret the Bible literally with respect to Genesis – then you interpret the entire Bible literally. So it's ok to smite your neighbor, sell your daughter into slavery, kill those who work on the Sabbath, and so on.
The mind boggles at the contortions that must be done in order to make 21st century scientific evidence fit into a 1st century narrative. My eyes cross just thinking about it.
religion = ignorance
Bob, I hear you. It's specifically willed ignorance. Ignore the evidence if it contradicts the sky fairy story, like it so often does.
this person, is a Satan 'Pat down roberston'. An ignorant Satan.
Paul, there is a monster behind your door. Better call Mommy.
hey paul, calm down, satan is in your mind big time. take a breather, get on your knees and do whatever it is you do on your knees (but don't tell and I won't ask) and come back to reality. pat is not satan, but you leave some pretty big bread crumbs to satan's door. and, sir, your address is ????? don't want to raid the wrong house.
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