By Dan Merica, CNN
Washington (CNN) – Televangelist Pat Robertson challenged the idea that Earth is 6,000 years old this week, saying the man who many credit with conceiving the idea, former Archbishop of Ireland James Ussher, “wasn’t inspired by the Lord when he said that it all took 6,000 years.”
The statement was in response to a question Robertson fielded Tuesday from a viewer on his Christian Broadcasting Network show "The 700 Club.” In a submitted question, the viewer wrote that one of her biggest fears was that her children and husband would not go to heaven “because they question why the Bible could not explain the existence of dinosaurs.”
“You go back in time, you've got radiocarbon dating. You got all these things, and you've got the carcasses of dinosaurs frozen in time out in the Dakotas,” Robertson said. “They're out there. So, there was a time when these giant reptiles were on the Earth, and it was before the time of the Bible. So, don't try and cover it up and make like everything was 6,000 years. That's not the Bible.”
Before answering the question, Robertson acknowledged the statement was controversial by saying, “I know that people will probably try to lynch me when I say this.”
“If you fight science, you are going to lose your children, and I believe in telling them the way it was,” Robertson concluded.
Forty-six percent of Americans believe that God created humans in their present form at one point within the past 10,000 years, according to a survey released by Gallup in June. That number has remained unchanged for the past 30 years, since 1982, when Gallup first asked the question on creationism versus evolution.
The Gallup poll has not specifically asked about views on the age of the Earth.
Ussher’s work, from the mid-1600s, is widely cited by creationists as evidence that Earth is only a few thousand years old. Answer in Genesis, the famed Christian creationist ministry behind the Creation Museum in Petersburg, Kentucky, cites Ussher as proof of Earth’s age. They describe the archbishop as “a brilliant scholar who had very good reasons for his conclusions concerning the date of creation.”
For Christians who read the creation account in Genesis literally, the six days in the account are strictly 24-hour periods and leave no room for evolution. Young Earth creationists use this construct and biblical genealogies to determine the age of the Earth, and typically come up with 6,000 to 10,000 years.
Most scientists, however, agree that the Earth is 4.5 billion years old and the universe is 14.5 billion years old.
The idea of creationism has been scorned by the mainstream scientific community since shortly after Charles Darwin introduced "The Origin of Species" in 1859. By 1880, The American Naturalists, a science journal, reported nearly every major university in America was teaching evolution.
The question about Earth’s age has been in the news recently. Earlier this month, Republican Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida attempted to walk the line between science and faith-based creationism in remarks that that provoked the ire of liberal blogs and left the door open to creationism.
“I'm not a scientist, man,” Rubio told GQ’s Micheal Hainey. “I can tell you what recorded history says, I can tell you what the Bible says, but I think that's a dispute amongst theologians and I think it has nothing to do with the gross domestic product or economic growth of the United States.”
– CNN’s Eric Marrapodi contributed to this report.
If you fight science you will not just lose contact with your children, you will lose contact with reality, as many Congressional Republicans have. You will also make the endangered species list and be headed for extinction. That's the way evolution works, and why our species will survive despite the throwbacks that keep cropping up in this country.
Regardless of what Pat Robetson said, Darwinian/Macro evolution is a dying theory because the scientific evidence does NOT support it. This is evidence by recently Thomas Nagel (atheist) in his book "Mind and Cosmos: Why the Materialist Neo-Darwinian Conception of Nature Is Almost Certainly False " said
“I believe there are independent empirical reasons to be skeptical about the truth of reductionism in biology.
Physico-chemical reductionism in biology is the orthodox view, and any resistance to it is regarded as not only scientifically but politically incorrect.
But for a long time I have found the materialist account of how we and our fellow organisms came to exist hard to believe, including the standard version of how the evolutionary process works.
The more details we learn about the chemical basis of life and the intricacy of the genetic code, the more unbelievable the standard historical account becomes. …
It is prima facie highly implausible that life as we know it is the result of a sequence of physical accidents together with the mechanism of natural selection. We are expected to abandon this naive response not in favor of a fully worked out physical/chemical explanation but in favor of an alternative that is really a schema for explanation, supported by some examples”
Dr John Sanford (Geneticist and inventor of the GeneGun) said .
“The bottom line is that the primary axiom [of Darwinian/Macro evolution] is categorically false,
you can't create information with misspellings, not even if you use natural selection.”
theo–according to the bible the human race is between 6,000 to 14,000 years old–
Stephen hawking can say tomorrow that he doesn't believe in black holes and that the planet is 6,000 years old–So what? Doesn't mean that black holes don't exist or that the planet is 6,000 years old
"...the Bible is not a science book per say"
I had to stop there. Too funny. LOL !!
You seem interested in knowing the truth, read God's word. God can not lie, can you say that?
Yes I can. God can not lie. Easy!
RE: "right4life..You seem interested in knowing the truth, read God's word. God can not lie..."
Reading without knowing the context (who wrote the passage, who was the writer's audience, what was going on at the time) leads to misinterpretations... lots of them. Self-taught, self-appointed religious 'authorities' (that not surprisingly usually end up in fundamentalist congregations, because the people there are mostly innocent, unsophisticated, trusting, not highly educated, country bumpkins who are easily misled) are the worst offenders. Worse still, they RIDICULE religious scholars who actually know much important background information. Fundamentalist's claim to have a personal hotline to gods office.
Anyway, if someone who claimed he can not lie was really lying, how would you know? If you were all-knowing, all-powerful and loving, would you prevent people from suffering if all you had to do was wink your all-seeing eye?
While the Bible is not a science book per say, when it speaks of scientific principles they can be accepted as fact because of who the author is.
Prior to scientists embracing the notion that the universe was created as the result of the Big Bang, it was commonly believed that the size of the universe was an unchanging constant—it had always been the size it was, and always would be. The idea stated that that the total volume of the universe was effectively fixed, and that the whole construct operated as a closed system. The theory found its biggest adherent in Albert Einstein—the Static Universe is often known as “Einstein’s Universe”—who argued in favor of it and even calculated it into his theory of general relativity.
How it was Proven Wrong:
The theory of a static universe was problematic from the start. First of all, a finite universe could theoretically become so dense that it would collapse into a giant black hole, a problem Einstein compensated for with his principle of the “cosmological constant.” Still, the final nail in the coffin for the idea was Edwin Hubble’s discovery of the relationship between red shift—the way the color of heavenly bodies change as they move away from us—and distance, which showed that the universe was indeed expanding. Einstein would subsequently abandon his model, and would later refer to it as the “biggest blunder” of his career. Still, like all cosmological ideas, the expanding universe is just a theory, and a small group of scientists today still subscribe to the old static model.
Read more: http://www.toptenz.net/top-10-most-famous-scientific-theories-that-turned-out-to-be-wrong.php#ixzz2DgSUSa5v
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Isa 40:22 It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in. Written by the prophet Isiah about 2700 years ago.
Read the post below and see if it applies to you. I just might.
I had to stop there. Too funny. LOL !
You are right. It is just a scientific theory. Read the definition of scientific theory from wikipedia.
A scientific theory is "a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment." Scientists create scientific theories from hypotheses that have been corroborated through the scientific method, then gather evidence to test their accuracy. As with all forms of scientific knowledge, scientific theories are inductive in nature and do not make apodictic propositions; instead, they aim for predictive and explanatory force.
You can apply this to the Theory of Evolution, Theory of Gravity, Big Bang Theory, etc......
II'm sorry, but there's nothing in your quote of Isiah to indicate that "stretches out the heavens like a curtain" has anything to do with the phenomenon of an expanding universe. This is obviously just a simple simile used by primitive people to explain their environment. That's the problem with you Christians: you read your own interpretation into the very simple words of the Bible and think that these imagined pearls of wisdom should be just as obvious to everyone else. I, for one, can't understand why it's not as obvious to you as it is to me that the Bible is a book of ignorant views written by benighted people. But then I just have to remember that half the population of the United States fits that same description...unfortunately for the other half who have to live with them.
Top 10 signs you are a fundamentalist Christian. Enjoy!
10 – You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.
9 – You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.
8 – You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.
7 – Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees!
6 – You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.
5 – You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.
4 – You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs - though excluding those in all rival sects – will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."
3 – While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity.
2 – You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.
1 – You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history – but still call yourself a Christian.
Can I assume you know something about Gods word? Is there something in there that upsets you? Or do you just feel all Christians are silly for believing what it says?
I can't speak for Humanist11, but I think all Christians are silly for believing what the bible says.
I do admire your faith in believing that the earth was created by a big explosion and that the human race "evolved" over millions of years.
You state .01% as if its fact. Show me your research, your trials, your data, your experiments that prove that what you are saying to be false is indeed not false itself. Im not saying you are wrong but has a humanist who needs results- where is your data? All i see is someone lashing out to make themselves feel more comfortable.
It upsets me that Christians have been pushing their mysticism on us for way too long. And I do think grownups who believe in the bible are silly.
My biggest question about Christians is, "You are saved and holier that thou. Why are you so afraid of death? You should embrace death, you're about to be with your maker." I guess they have doubt.
of course there is doubt? our human nature is to doubt, question, poke and prod because we love being in control! we love knowing everything and when we dont it makes us scared and uncomfortable. Just because you believe in God and Jesus doesnt make you less human. I agree with you that christians should act as if they are not afraid to die. I mean it would make sense if thats what we truly believe right? some christians arent afraid to die but as for the ones that are- we are imperfect. everyone of us
@Right4life...Here again is another silly Christianism: saying that we aetheists have faith that the world is such and such. We believe what the evidence leads us to believe, but we also understand that scientific theories are always subject to being amended. But the real point here is that we aren't basing our life on some written-in-stone version of reality–the way that Christians do. It's you who have placed your faith in a single version. We go with the flow. Our world won't be crushed if someone develops a stronger theory of how the universe came into existence. We'll just take it in, consider it, and decide whether or not it is compelling enough for us to believe. And if it upends what we used to believe, we'll say, "Hmmm, imagine that...you learn something new every day." Unless, of course, you're a Christian. Then you make it your creedo NOT to learn. Sad. Very sad.
All right... by sheer logic, if heaven is such a great place, and you KNOW it exists, why should anyone waste another second on this Earth? He or she should kill his whole family and then himself so that they can all be together in eternity. Go for it! I'm sure you're right! You have nothing to lose!
Its good to see what level of maturity you have brought this conversation to. Obviously our beliefs are different but its frustrating that these days you cant have logical debates about anything without someone getting defensive, irrational and taking what someone else is saying personal. I believe in creationism, you believe in evolution- lets talk about it in a rational, logical, manner
Modern Christianity has its roots in medieval fiefdom culture. Those who toil and suffer for their feudal lord will surely be recompensed in the afterlife, but Pat Robertson has not led a life of strife or deprivation so his hope for a heaven isn't as intense or desperate as his follower's. He may question much of what he preaches, but rarely in public as he has in this case.
look at the used car salesman smile... another day, another old lady's social security check... amen!
You summed it all up... It's sad to see the innocent being taken advantage of...but the poor simpletons DO provide some entertainment
(as the Televangelist slaps the old lady's forehead in the healing ceremony, he asks:) "Did yeeeew feeeeel that?"
Startled, the old woman enthusiastically claims, "Yeeeees... yay-yussss ah did."
Well I guess prayer does work. I prayed that people like Roberston (religious leaders) would embrace science and join the rest of the educated civilized world. I pray this is a trend. Imagine where this world would be if we put Science and common sense and our inherent morality before ideology, reilgion and mythology. We very likely would have put a man on the moon by the 1700's and cured cancer in the 1800's. Who knows what other wonders we could have accomplished and how many countless lives would have been saved if not for pointless wars about ridiculous differences of opinon over which religion worships God the best way.
Well said Chazkelly!
What is happening to PR? He would have been burnt at the stake a few times over in the middle ages for saying this, and in some of those stake burnings he would have been the one lighting up the match....
Say it ain't so PR... All those folks who doled out everything they got to 700 Club over the last few decades, want their money back..
The Bible makes no reference to the age of the Earth. Period.
sure it does. describes a very short time period in which god made the sun, the heavens, earth and all that's on it. in fact, the bible specifically uses the word "days".
@bootystank ~~~~ DUHHHH
booty, you took a leap of faith in your reading. "Sorry! The word "short" doesn't occur in 'Gen' of the KJV."
I had to have eggs. I just prepared the following:
Two large, warm sourdough rolls brushed with butter and a layer of mayo, each one with a runny egg and melting cheese with a slice of bacon. I am eating the first one....now. Mmmm.
pat, please drag the christian zombies kicking and screaming toward the light. lie to them and tell them god said they should start using their brains.
I have this very strange need to take facts and then use them for decision making purposes. It is almost like the facts influence my belief system.
THAT'S CRAZY TALK (in some places)
Back in my days we didn't have all that fancy thinking going on. We didn't put any thought into anything. We had faith. That's the way it was and we liked it.
When I was a kid, my sister and I had to walk 80 miles to school every morning and 80 miles back. Both uphill carrying stone tablets because we couldn’t afford paper. Then it was time for chores, like plowing the North 40.
We got up before we went to bed and had to sleep in a cardboard box in the middle of the street and hunt squirrels for our meals with a sling shot. We didn’t even have shoes!
It was really bad in the winter. The snow was 30 feet deep. I lost one toe to frost-bite every winter for ten years. I had to wear my older sister's hand-me-down dresses because my Mother's arthritis was so bad she could not sew any boys’ clothes. That is why I had to fight the class bully every day.
Sometimes when there were no squirrels, we had to eat rocks for dinner. That was very difficult with no teeth (from the fights with the bully).
The worst part was every night after walking 160 miles, plowing forty acres, chopping the fire wood and eating rocks that made my gums bleed. My parents would come out to the box where my sister and I slept in the middle of the road and jump up and down on top of us screaming "Die!" "Die" "Die" with a necklace made out of my dead toes swinging from my mother’s neck.
We were lucky to have it so good.
Right on Pat, I agree. I don't know how anyone with even a minute amount of wisdom could even think that the earth is less than 10,000 years old. The Bible explains 'In the beginning...'....so there you have it, the earth is OLD....HELLOOO.
Satan better buy a warm jacket, because hell just froze over.
A big concession coming from this man. I'm both surprised & very pleased so see some common sense prevailing here. I recall having discussions/arguments with my father about evolution who was a Christian & took the Bible literally. I was learning evolution in school in the 70's. I was a also fossil nerd with archaeological aspirations. We clashed on this viewpoint. My challenge for those believers in God who deny evolution is – what makes you think that time matters to a god? A god (or goddess) would have all the time he/she wants to think out and execute such a grand design as the universe. I won't even begin to argue the existance or not of deity – that is fruitless IMO and makes for hurt feelings needlessly. And I am not one to judge. But the science is there and if there happens to actually be a deity/s who designed it all – kudos to them for the wonder of it all.
the word is out in Christian and conservative circles. If the right continues to pretend that science is evil, they will go the way of the dinosaurs. This last election was the highwater mark of the Republican party. And not because of minorities, or free government giveaways. But because crazy right wing fantasies are a deadend. Praise Jesus!
Crazy left wing ideas like Keynesian economics has already destroyed part of Europe and America is next. No one can borrow their way to prosperity. The debt just gets worse and worse until reality crushes the foolishness. The young and naive voted for Obama because he promised to keep the college grants and loans coming. What he didn't tell them is that he sent the bill to their future so they can be highly educated and poor at the same time. Just think, if the economy ever gets back to growing at a good rate, interest on the national debt will probably be a trillion dollars a year and in a few years will send the economy right back into recession.
Doug...you one crazy dumbass bitch.
Keynesian economics... a "crazy left-wing idea"...
Please, get real! As Richard Nixon said, "We're all Keynsians now."
What did you think Reagan did by greatly increasing military spending and cutting taxes, creating debt, to fight a recession? The time around WWII (The New Deal, but especially the government military spending) was a particularly shining example of Keynesianism.
We've actually been able to find out now that the recession President Obama inherited was far deeper than initially thought. The stimulus very well might have stopped a second Great Depression, though there is no way to know for sure.
Now that we've cleared the recession mostly, we do have to cut spending and increase tax revenue, but its an economics 101 truth that doing so too drastically will pull the economy back into recession. I'm not trying to sway you to one side of the political spectrum or the other, but don't deny the basic truths of Keynesianism, even if you disagree with it as a whole.
Embracing science only makes Christians look all the more desperate. And it only further proves just how false their belief system really is.
Wow, nicely done Mr. Robertson. You have in fact made me think twice about you being a total myopic fool. This is by far your greatest statement, and I do hope that many people listen to you this time, as facts of science agree and hopefully we can move on past this illusion. Cheers!
Yup....You've got that right. Pat is not stupid nor dumb....now, sometimes he does say things that are somewhat harsh, but he keeps it real.
Why are Christians so dumb?
In a liberated society, freedom of conscience facilitates the progression of civilization. A purport of the notion of freedom of mind, Science provides an analytical method for our mere human minds to come to grasp with that which is the beauty of the infinitesimal universe around us. That is, until ignorant folks attempt to squash, main, and silence the voice of reason.
Take the bible belt where and any droplet of intellectual curiosity is squandered by the religious right. Free thinkers are herded by the sheep of the masses into conforming to the norm. From a young age children are taught not to question authority, not to question morality, not to question the essence of life. Scientific methods are obfuscated in favor of Creationist dribble.
It is not unusual for a “teacher” in the South and Midwest to be incessant that evolution is wrong and to try to prove to students that the geological record supports the theory of a great flood while abridging the great 4,600,000,000 year span of geological time into a mere 6000. Religion seeps into the classroom to perverse the minds of the student body. Christianity is a moral puppet and anyone who had a different world view was ostracized. Furthermore, many children can't grasp the basic fundamentals of modern science that allow us to live in such a technologically progressive society. How are they to be imparted upon lessons of logic and analytical reasoning when they believe in the fairy tale of god?
As smart as you seem to be, I think it's very generalized and dismissive to pose the questions "why are Christians so dumb?". You don't know EVERY Christian or their educational background.
Think what you wish.
Infinitesimal means incalculably small. As in, one sums over infinite infinitesimals when determining an integral.
Before calling others ignorant, learn your facts yourself. Sincerely,
A Christian with three degrees in math/science and who believes in evolution.
Well thank you so much, but I do know what infinitesimal means and I used that word just as I intended. The building blocks of the universe are so small that there is, as yet, know way to see them or measure them. Oh, and if you are a Christian you are an idiot. Doesn’t mean you are not a good person, just stupid. Carry on.
RE: "Toni...As smart as you seem to be, I think it's very generalized and dismissive to pose the questions "why are Christians so dumb?". You don't know EVERY Christian or their educational background..."
Toni, it was a rhetorical question... but what's odd isn't that you answer it... you don't refute the underlying claim. But let me rephrase it to reflect your concerns:
Why are fundamentalist Christians so dumb?
Jeez you are a moron. Has it occurred to you that your ignorant stereotyping makes you just as bad as the ignoramus you claim to disparage? Not only are you an ignoramus, you can't even claim to be a nice person. You're beneath any further response from me, as I have better things to do such as studying math you only wish you could begin to comprehend with that simpleton brain of yours (non-commutative geometry). Go back to rubbing your two functioning synapses together to try and start a fire.
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"Adam" is the common male ancestor of every living man. He lived in Africa some 60,000 years ago, which means that all humans lived in Africa at least at that time.
Unlike his Biblical namesake, this Adam was not the only man alive in his era. Rather, he is unique because his descendents are the only ones to survive.
It is important to note that Adam does not literally represent the first human. He is the coalescence point of all the genetic diversity."
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