By Dan Merica, CNN
Washington (CNN) – Televangelist Pat Robertson challenged the idea that Earth is 6,000 years old this week, saying the man who many credit with conceiving the idea, former Archbishop of Ireland James Ussher, “wasn’t inspired by the Lord when he said that it all took 6,000 years.”
The statement was in response to a question Robertson fielded Tuesday from a viewer on his Christian Broadcasting Network show "The 700 Club.” In a submitted question, the viewer wrote that one of her biggest fears was that her children and husband would not go to heaven “because they question why the Bible could not explain the existence of dinosaurs.”
“You go back in time, you've got radiocarbon dating. You got all these things, and you've got the carcasses of dinosaurs frozen in time out in the Dakotas,” Robertson said. “They're out there. So, there was a time when these giant reptiles were on the Earth, and it was before the time of the Bible. So, don't try and cover it up and make like everything was 6,000 years. That's not the Bible.”
Before answering the question, Robertson acknowledged the statement was controversial by saying, “I know that people will probably try to lynch me when I say this.”
“If you fight science, you are going to lose your children, and I believe in telling them the way it was,” Robertson concluded.
Forty-six percent of Americans believe that God created humans in their present form at one point within the past 10,000 years, according to a survey released by Gallup in June. That number has remained unchanged for the past 30 years, since 1982, when Gallup first asked the question on creationism versus evolution.
The Gallup poll has not specifically asked about views on the age of the Earth.
Ussher’s work, from the mid-1600s, is widely cited by creationists as evidence that Earth is only a few thousand years old. Answer in Genesis, the famed Christian creationist ministry behind the Creation Museum in Petersburg, Kentucky, cites Ussher as proof of Earth’s age. They describe the archbishop as “a brilliant scholar who had very good reasons for his conclusions concerning the date of creation.”
For Christians who read the creation account in Genesis literally, the six days in the account are strictly 24-hour periods and leave no room for evolution. Young Earth creationists use this construct and biblical genealogies to determine the age of the Earth, and typically come up with 6,000 to 10,000 years.
Most scientists, however, agree that the Earth is 4.5 billion years old and the universe is 14.5 billion years old.
The idea of creationism has been scorned by the mainstream scientific community since shortly after Charles Darwin introduced "The Origin of Species" in 1859. By 1880, The American Naturalists, a science journal, reported nearly every major university in America was teaching evolution.
The question about Earth’s age has been in the news recently. Earlier this month, Republican Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida attempted to walk the line between science and faith-based creationism in remarks that that provoked the ire of liberal blogs and left the door open to creationism.
“I'm not a scientist, man,” Rubio told GQ’s Micheal Hainey. “I can tell you what recorded history says, I can tell you what the Bible says, but I think that's a dispute amongst theologians and I think it has nothing to do with the gross domestic product or economic growth of the United States.”
– CNN’s Eric Marrapodi contributed to this report.
The Devil is most likely a creation of the church to scare people of way back when into believing what the church has to say. I believe in GOD, but the bible has a bunch of jibberish inside of it. The time table is wrong, science has PROVEN that. We can have both if the nutjob religious right use their brains that GOD created for them to use. A book does not trump your learning and EVOLVING as human beings.
Isn't the Bible the basis for all belief in God? What makes you think that God isn't one of those "gibberish" things that the Bible's full of?
GOD I believe in on faith....the bible is just a propaganda tool they used to convince people. Notice how in the Old Testament gets real violent with those who don't believe. Why doesn't that happen now? Because fairy tales don't happen either. Where is this gigantic "arc" that Noah built. how was that never found? And people believe these "stories". You can believe in a higher being, but who says that the bible is the way to go. It has good lessons in it here and there, but take it with a grain of salt.
We, as being but biology buildings do labor together and in equal measures find struggle with God and all his generations, his family members and servants and other Godly brethren inside our body-like buildings of cosmological wonders! 1Corinthians 3:9 "For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, [ye are] God's building!"
We were literally there in the very beginning moments of Creation itself. We live throughout timeliness upon the inner cosmos within a scale so minutely small that the immensity of things could be thought of as being but upon the head of a pin! We were and still are mostly made of Nothingness! Nothingness puts vast distances between what we know of as being neutrons, electrons and protons!
Ask any science major and they would tell you matter of factually that nothing makes up more space within the atomic cosmos then does the atoms themselves! The Seas of Nothingness reach from the innermost to the outermost ranges of cosmological aberrations! Our bodies themselves are cosmologically ordained cellular cosmologies of biogenetic wonders and marvels!
You have taken gibberish to a new level.
If one examines modernism, one is faced with a choice: either reject deconstructivist rationalism or conclude that cla.ss has significance, but only if art is interchangeable with narrativity; otherwise, Foucault’s model of subtextual conceptualism is one of “the posttextual paradigm of reality”, and therefore unattainable. Many narratives concerning deconstructivist rationalism exist. Therefore, the subject is contextualised into a subtextual conceptualism that includes art as a reality.
Any number of discourses concerning subtextual conceptualism exist. Thus, the premise of deconstructivist rationalism suggests that society, paradoxically, has intrinsic meaning.
Lacanist obscurity implies that reality is fundamentally a legal fiction. It could be said that Sartre uses the term ‘submodernist feminism’ to denote the economy, and hence the dialectic, of cultural se.xual ident.ity.
Thus, the premise of the cultural paradigm of expression holds that art is capable of social comment, but only if the cultural paradigm of narrative is invalid; if that is not the case, truth is used to reinforce the status quo.
It is futile to comtemplate the beginning of the universe. In order to do this, one has to imagine a "before" and an "after". But we cannot imagine a "before" because are minds did not exist to witness this event. The mind cannot imagine its own non-existence. The mind cannot EXPERIENCE its own non-existence which it must do IN ORDER to contemplate the "before". We can't even speculate on what the First Moment would look like. Something-from-nothing is completely outside human perception.
No, it isn't. Go read "A Universe from Nothing: Why There Is Something Rather than Nothing."
LOGIC FOUL ON THE PLAY!!!!!!!!!
Argument from as-sumption followed by argument from ignorance.
15 yards from the spot of the foul. Repeat first down.
I do believe a supreme power does exist in the universe and it somehow has full control of all other matter reasctions. Now man thinks, or I could not write this, and where did that process evolve from? I think the mind of man (and animals) is a subset of a greater mind that exist from this supreme power. With all that said, I believe all life (here or elsewhere) came about by the supreme power that I like to call GOD. Now, whether that God actually created a Jesus is yet to be proven, but sure makes for a great story for mankind to get along together at Christmas. Yes, I do feel we can mix science and religion together, up to a point and still retain strong faith in our spirits and salvations.
1 Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array. 2 By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done. 4 This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, when the Lord God made the earth and the heavens.
Exodus 20 (The 10 Commandments)
8 Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
Seems Clear to me. If I accept the idea that God is Omniscient, Omnipotent and Omnipresent, shouldn't I then accept the idea He could create the world and the universe and all that is in it with a thought? Or does he need time?
YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT AMY!
Now, about that bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you. Sometimes its invisible, so it can be hard to find. After you send me the money I'll mail you a map to it...
It's not just what you accept. It's the amount of demonstrable reality you have to reject in order for you to believe what you 'accept' is actually true.
Welcome to 2012 – it's actually pretty nice here. We've got medical care, plentiful food, and living conditions that are luxurious compared to 6,000 years ago. Stop living in the past.
If you accept the Bible and believe that Christ is creator and sustainer of all... then I am living in the present. I find my being, living and serving my creator. It's definitely a personal choice.
amy – what reason would you have to accept that?
It's really quite simple. I have come to accept the Bible as not only an accurate account of history, I also accept the Bible account of the birth, life, miracles, death and resurrection of Yeshua.
God, His Holy Spirit being absolute nothingness did creatively establish the something being atomic in his natures and from the atomic natures were established the Creationism of the Cosmos which itself is an ongoing cosmological work never to coalesce or be finalized in an eye-twinkling of spatial recognition. The overall of cosmologic consistencies is regulated and is designative to be beyond our brain-fed fields of knowledge breathed Camelot-orientated culminations. Life is what it becomes and once was to forever be that which stands up to be accounted from.
Why do you accept the resurrection, and I as.sume the other miracles as well, as true.
II know that Jefferson accepted the Bible, except for anything miraculous (In fact he commissioned a Bible with all supernatural removed), but I find it hard to avoid some things that can not be explained in my personal life. Though I can not attribute everything strange that I have experienced to another force or being, I know that nothing we currently accept as empirical evidence can satisfy those experiences that I have had. I was raised in a world of atheism and wica. My father was a very intelligent and logical man. My aunt asked to have a seance in our home. The relatively immovable objects that moved, the experience of another presence, personal sensations, etc., all contributed to a very long search for what is real. This was just the beginning of my path to that has led me to accept Yeshua as my creator and Lord.
I don't understand how so many people get so confused over the difference between the Spiritual Man and the Physical Man. The Bible is one of several records of Man's relationship with God. This does not necessarily mean that the physical body we derived from the apes, but rather the spiritual corpus we created once our brains evolved sufficiently to appreciate the higher meaning of Spirit. It very well could be that we were "created in His image" only six-thousand years ago.
Both camps, the Creationist and Evolutionist, are correct. They're just talking about different things.
I’m calling the police and having you arrested for torturing logic…
Modern humans have been here for 200,000 years. Our brains have not undergone significant evolution since then. We know early humans worshipped gods long ago. The oldest one we know of so far, is a proto-snake type god dating back 75,000 years in what is now Botswana. Yet your god didn't bother to crawl onto the scene until 6000 years ago. Why didn't your god show up 200,000 years ago when we first became modern humans?
Hahah! @Tanker! Good morning to you, and have a great day!
It should read "God was created in our image" by humans as their brains evolved to conceive of such abstract concepts. With this truism, it may be possible for scientists to prove that God(s) have physically altered the evolution of modern humans by identifying appropriate signatures in our DNA. If that happens, we will have the perfect irony (proof of god's effects through the study of human evolution).
@Primewonk: I have no idea why. Perhaps He was busy on Mars. What I'm suggesting here is that there must be some truth that incorporates man's search for his relationship with whatever "higher-something" he keeps creating and the certainty that our bodies are the product of evolution. The dual nature, or "meta-thinking" part of our characters seems to me to be closer to a spiritual being than the tube-with-lega-and-arms that walks around and eats that is our physical body.
@KyleW: Right on!
Generally, I think, a Creationist takes the Bible literally. Meaning that they take Genesis as speaking about the physical universe not some spiritual universe and Genesis does not agree with what we understand about the physical universe.
"What I'm suggesting here is that there must be some truth that incorporates man's search for his relationship with whatever 'higher-something' he keeps creating and the certainty that our bodies are the product of evolution. "
Why must there be?
It is possible, is it not, that some of us are searching for something that does not exist?
Well this creates a quandary for the Patriotic Christian faction from the Republican-taliban. If the fundamentalists can't force Pat to recant, how can they demand a religious qualification for holding political office. They must be going Tali-bananas
First their was the pope debunking Jesus Christ' birth, now a televangelist doubting creation. Both charlatans. Time to pull out your Bible and read the truth for yourself.
And what truth would that be?
Right. Everyone should just ask Angela for the answers to these age-old questions, she knows.
ummm, dinosaurs are NOT reptiles, and radiocarbon dating can't be used in dinosaur fossil dating (mostly because THERE IS NO CARBON). We use Ar-Ar or K-AR dating for that geological age. but, well at least Pat is not yelling at Dover school teachers anymore, that's a start
When it comes to reading the Bible an wanting to believe with your heart that what your reading come streight from GOD YOU MUST KEEP IN MIND that man is the author of the GOOD BOOK, one mans view or beliefs can be different from others. Religon any Religon an to believe you must have FAITH an FAITH is the guiding structor of mans wanting to believe in GOD. I truly believe there is a LOVING GOD an mans writting over the ages ( the BIBLE ) has fostered my beliefts. I want you to continue to read the BIBLE an believe have FAITH, I say who are we to question the GOOD BOOK.
Tell me why you must have FAITH (um, I mean gullibility).
dont be silly, we all know Gandalf is the real god. just watch The Hobbit
Human beings created religion. Human beings wrote the bible. All religions are the same, man's attempt to define things we don't/can't understand. Christianity is no better/worse/different than any other world religion.
It does not take a rocket scientist to know that Pat Robertson is NOT a Power Thinker….He is EVERYTHING wrong with Organized Religion.
I am starting a religion.
It will absolve you all of the responsibility for your actions while suppressing your ability to think as an independent human being.
I may ask some of you to strap bombs to your bodies to deal with those who are not members of my new religion. Also, I have some unsavory plans for your children.
Johnny come lately. You think all evilutionists are dumb?
They are under a lot of pressure, the peer type. Show a little empathy, dude.
Every televangelist you can think off...
Yeah, I think I've got a shot.
Takes work, tank. I don't believe you have it in ya.
It sounds good – but I'll only join a religion that demands at least 10% of my net worth.
Plus, I want all clergy to wear impressive hate – the bigger and more gilded the better.
And I want to be able to condemn all manner of things from a fiery pulpit.
How dare you doubt the word of the guy who is starting his own religion!
As soon as I put my words into someone’s heart and they write my book (maybe an unemployed screenwriter), I will strike you down for blasphemy!
But tank, your first impulse was to be a copy cat.
Why not just get ordained as a Pastafairian Minister, nice framed certificate for only $25? The FSM rules.
Why does anyone care what Pat Roberstson has to say about...well...anything?! He's constantly putting his foot in his mouth and publishing any of this gibberish is just a ginormous waist of time. Oh God, and I'm responding to it? What does that say about me, right? Oh and btw, I'm a Christian...*sighs*
Creation, species had to work perfect every time the first time, otherwise no survival. Unless you think God kept producing species until they with all there specialties got it right? Terrific heat and cold conditions, factors. Like the creator could not get it right without practice. The only thing that makes sense is man and Salvation. In the beginning ark is the only time species saved to the benefit of man. We have a twenty four hour time clock and it keeps on ticking no matter what man thinks, seconds on mans clock, verses Gods time makes no difference in Salvation, God has it we Don't, limited Time.
Please read your post and re-write it so that the rest of us can understand it. It's like reading jibberish.
English as a second language, eh?
", species had to work perfect every time the first time, otherwise no survival. "
You do realize that something like 99% of all species that ever lived are now extinct, right?
I agree with OOO. Are you High?? Your post makes no sense
These people are dangerous and harmful to humanity - if it were up to Christians, the world would still be flat too!
What are you talking about – the earth IS flat! Otherwise, how could the sun revolve around it??
I really can't say that I belong to any confession but I DO believe in the Creator of the universe. Now that we are talking religion some words come into mind: Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy........For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth. the sea and all that in them is and rested the seventh day, wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and hallowed it. If there was no CREATION, there was no FALL. If there was no FALL there was no need for a SAVIOUR. If there was no need for a SAVIOUR there is no HOPE.
In this case I don't understand where this" representative" of my HOPE is coming from. I can only remember the following: Many will say to me in that day, Lord,Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? And in thy name have cast out devils? And in thy name done MANY WONDERFUL WORKS? And then I will profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
I'm not putting any limits on the power of my GOD to have created, to have saved and to have given me HOPE!
Just because you want to have hope and believe you have somehow sinned an need to be saved is no reason to give up your birth right as a thinking human being and create a magic man in the sky.
Time to put on your big-boy pants and deal with the world as it is, while making it into the world you want it to be.
MMmm good, no limits on your deity.... it is hope and anti-hope, loves to hate and hates to love, a killer who can't kill, everything and nothing. In a word: insane.
You are under the false assumption that you are inherently guilty of something that you need to be saved from. You are just a human, and it is not healthy to hate your human nature.
You can believe in God, but why christianity? They are not one in the same. Religion is a creation of the human mind, it does not hold absolute truth. You don't need it to maintain feelings of spirituality, and a belief in a higher power(God).
Hope (offered by religion): The same god who created this world (and all the unnecessary suffering in it) will use his magical powers to make a different one that is nice.
Hope (offered by a snake oil salesman): This tonic will magically make this world nice.
Faith: Believing that either type of promise (there is no difference between the two) will come true.
God created the entire universe but measured the time it took in earth days. He also used earth days before he created the sun, which is impossible as the sun is what governs our days/nights. It's almost as if god only had as much knowledge of the universe as the humans who wrote the bible!
Maybe he defined a day first and set the rotation of the earth to match. (no, I don't believe that, but I think it would work)
Well, apologists will come up with lots of crazy ideas to make their nonsensical book seem to make sense
If it doesn't contradict logic of scientific findings, it's just an opinion that it's crazy. Occam's razor is just a prinicple for action, not something proven (or provable) by science, or borne out by history. Again, I don't believe it...but calling it crazy, especially if someone had anything else they thought evidence, doesn't seem warrented.
Before something collided with the Earth to create the moon Earth days were only about 4-6 hours. So really god created the Earth in one of today's Earth days.
I appreciate that Pat Robertson continues to stand up for what he believes to be truth but honestly his batting average isnt so good. He would have us to believe that he gets personal messages from God and that he is smarter than all of science. I wish this guy well but I think he makes a complete idiot of himself at times.
ALL cultures throughout history have evolved with some sort of religion (or philosophy depending on "definitions") People who know evolution to be a fact must then explain this from the point of view of evolutionary biology. Richard Dawkins does a fine job of this. Religion has been very beneficial to our species at times it the past. I don't believe it is so NOW, but it has served it's purpose. Even if you ARE a believer in some religion, I don't believe the devil will take your soul and give you a shiny fiddle made of gold if you read some evolutionary biology. Try "The god Delusion" and "The Blind Watchmaker" It's really brilliant work.
(I'm tired of educating believers and non- believers alike, enjoy the discussion, what times we are in .!! I'm out of here.)
Progressives! Always believing in their OWN progress.
It escapes most apparently that the writer of the creation account was NOT an eye witness. Moses is generally accepted as the author of the 1st five books of the Bible by inspiration of the Holy Spirit. In other words God put the words in his heart and mind to write what God instructed him. The Scripture states "That evening and morning" was the 1st through the 6th day of creation and on the 7th HE STOPPED. Evening and morning obviously refers to a 24 hour period. Now in Exodus 20 Moses reiterates (recounts) the creation account and commands the people to keep the Sabbath which is obviously a 24 hr period. The Genesis Flood does explain the fossil record and doesn't require billions of yrs to accomplish. Last, but not least I believe in a recent creation timetable because that's what the Scriptures indicates. On another note, the soon to be polar reversal of the Sun and subsequent XCME to follow MAY result in the same conditions found in Genesis 7-8 if the Earth reverses its magnetic North and South Poles and even possibly a change in Earth rotation.
Fossilization cannot occur in only 6000 years. There fore the Genesis flood does not explain the fossil record. Additionally, if the earth flooded, where did all the water go?
How can you tell the difference between "the holy spirit putting words in your heart" and "making stuff up."
Fossilization can occur whenever and wherever the good Lord wants it to. And so far as where the water went, that ent no mystery. It done evaporated and become clouds and what have ye. Probably filled an ocean or two as well. Anyhoo, the Lord could make water come and go as he pleases.
"And then a miracle happened" is not an acceptable answer.
RE: "The Genesis Flood does explain the fossil record and doesn't require billions of yrs to accomplish..."
Just letting readers know your claim is not true. There are layers that could not possibly have formed during 'the' flood. Even if your facts are science based, they are incorrect, unless the 'creator' had a mischievous sense of humor and, after the flood, 'he' lifted many sediment layers world-wide, hid some disproving layers underneath. Sure he did.
You are exactly what is wrong with this country. Religion blinds you, facts & concrete evidence is meaningless. Even things such as carbon dating (which is accurate) does not sway your ignorance. The problem is your ignorance pushes into everyday life & secular government. When people like you are gone, the world will be a better place.
ironman59, murder is in your soul.
Tanker, It's pretty simple. When you here those voices talking in your head all you have to do is put "God told me" in front of the statement. That gives you a free pass to carry out the instructions. If you forget to put "God told me" in front of the aforementioned instructions you are setting yourself up for various psychiatric and legal evaluations. So remember to start with "God told me" and everything is FINE.
Hear! Hear! I meant Hear! NOT here. That's better.
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