By Dan Merica, CNN
Washington (CNN) – Televangelist Pat Robertson challenged the idea that Earth is 6,000 years old this week, saying the man who many credit with conceiving the idea, former Archbishop of Ireland James Ussher, “wasn’t inspired by the Lord when he said that it all took 6,000 years.”
The statement was in response to a question Robertson fielded Tuesday from a viewer on his Christian Broadcasting Network show "The 700 Club.” In a submitted question, the viewer wrote that one of her biggest fears was that her children and husband would not go to heaven “because they question why the Bible could not explain the existence of dinosaurs.”
“You go back in time, you've got radiocarbon dating. You got all these things, and you've got the carcasses of dinosaurs frozen in time out in the Dakotas,” Robertson said. “They're out there. So, there was a time when these giant reptiles were on the Earth, and it was before the time of the Bible. So, don't try and cover it up and make like everything was 6,000 years. That's not the Bible.”
Before answering the question, Robertson acknowledged the statement was controversial by saying, “I know that people will probably try to lynch me when I say this.”
“If you fight science, you are going to lose your children, and I believe in telling them the way it was,” Robertson concluded.
Forty-six percent of Americans believe that God created humans in their present form at one point within the past 10,000 years, according to a survey released by Gallup in June. That number has remained unchanged for the past 30 years, since 1982, when Gallup first asked the question on creationism versus evolution.
The Gallup poll has not specifically asked about views on the age of the Earth.
Ussher’s work, from the mid-1600s, is widely cited by creationists as evidence that Earth is only a few thousand years old. Answer in Genesis, the famed Christian creationist ministry behind the Creation Museum in Petersburg, Kentucky, cites Ussher as proof of Earth’s age. They describe the archbishop as “a brilliant scholar who had very good reasons for his conclusions concerning the date of creation.”
For Christians who read the creation account in Genesis literally, the six days in the account are strictly 24-hour periods and leave no room for evolution. Young Earth creationists use this construct and biblical genealogies to determine the age of the Earth, and typically come up with 6,000 to 10,000 years.
Most scientists, however, agree that the Earth is 4.5 billion years old and the universe is 14.5 billion years old.
The idea of creationism has been scorned by the mainstream scientific community since shortly after Charles Darwin introduced "The Origin of Species" in 1859. By 1880, The American Naturalists, a science journal, reported nearly every major university in America was teaching evolution.
The question about Earth’s age has been in the news recently. Earlier this month, Republican Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida attempted to walk the line between science and faith-based creationism in remarks that that provoked the ire of liberal blogs and left the door open to creationism.
“I'm not a scientist, man,” Rubio told GQ’s Micheal Hainey. “I can tell you what recorded history says, I can tell you what the Bible says, but I think that's a dispute amongst theologians and I think it has nothing to do with the gross domestic product or economic growth of the United States.”
– CNN’s Eric Marrapodi contributed to this report.
NO ONE knows what happens when we die, and ANYONE claiming such knowledge is a LIAR who probably wants your money. (And Pat Robertson is exhibit A.)
Science already has given us the answer as to what happens when we die. What do you mean no one knows?
i don't know that anyone claiming to know what happens after death is a liar. perhaps they are delusional
Exhibit A was being quite honest in these coments. When a extremist states a moderate view, it is better to welcome them than continue describing their views as extremist.
It is time for peace between both sides, between science and faith, there is far too much vitriol from two sides who are are actually care about the truth, and approach it in a different manner.
At the end of the day humanity needs both, scientists who ask if what they are doing is right, and religious leaders who use reason, and that only happens when the two sides meet in the middle.
We don't need religion to have ethics.
Religious faith not only lacks evidence, its independence from evidence is its pride and joy, shouted from the rooftops.
..."there is more evidence for the Christian faith, than there is to disprove it, despite what the pundits might wish to say or think. "
- a Son of God.
Obviously Richard Dawkins denies written "History" as being evidence.
Quote: "Richard Dawkins is a bumbling idiot." – Me
to dave there is more muslim than christian so christian faith isless evidence. just be a muslim more evidence right
You two live in fantasy land. 1. Give us this overwhelming evidence (quoting the very bible in question does not count). 2. When you are a world renowned scientist, being emeritus fellow and the University of Oxford's Professor for Public Understanding of Science, then you can comment on his intelligence. Until then, you are just an ignorant troll posting on CNN.
@Jimbo – I could say the same to you. What I call evidence you would deny – just as what you call scientific fact (that will change when the next bright you egghead steps into the lab) – I will deny.
Um... okay. You confirmed it. You live in fantasy land.
@jimbo – OK here's evidence – there is proof that there was a world-wide disaster at approx. the same time the Bible claims there was a worldwide flood. You will deny that, but it's there. How about this: Most "large" dinosaurs were reptiles, reptiles continually grow, the Bible says Adam lived to be over 900 years old – ever seen a 900 year old lizard? Alligator?.... I know, you laugh and say how ridiculous that is, just as I laugh and say how ridiculous it is that we evolved.
Really, you are going with that? You can't be serious. I have heard some crazy claims of evidence, but this has to be the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Please seek help. If you wish to be taken seriously in your argument, you should listen to more educated Christians, and not go with what Pastor Bubba has to say. Clue, dinosaurs are not really reptiles, reptiles don't grow forever, and have nothing to do with Adam. Clue, many iron age religions (which you would call Pagan) mention a flood and actual world wide disasters are fairly common throughout earth history (but that isn't evidence of anything, or evidence that they are linked). Also, I said to provide evidence outside of what the bible says. I don't believe in the veracity of the book, so you can't use it as "evidence." If all you got is something that someone wrote it a few thousand years, you really don't have evidence. What you have is the written down oral history, generations removed, and borrowed from other cultures of the time. Ever hear of the telephone game? Look it up.
@Jimbo Talking down to me doesn't make you smarter or superior. You obviously don't understand – I said nothing I could say would make you agree with my "evidence" just as I won't agree to yours. Then I spouted those off – as a way of proving that you would deny it. Everything you have said – I have studied and none of it convinces me any different. I have been studying this stuff for over 25 years now – there's nothing new under the sun. I probably know more about your evidence than you do – so, you go seek some help, you'll need it.
@Jimbo OH and by the way, I've tught teenagers for many years – of course, I know the telephone game. The difference is when you get the same information for thousands of years from the same source (God) there is no mistranslating it. Have a great night!
I can see by the quality of your argument that I would have nothing to worry about in a debate. You say you have studied this for 25 years, yet those are the top two "arguments" you raised?
My work here is nearly done. Thanks to me Obama has been re-elected, the teabaggers are on the run and Sarah Palin is no longer a household word and has been tossed on that dung heap known as Fox News. I have accomplished much and I am considering taking time off to write my memoirs.
Might as well use toilet paper for your writing. That way, maybe someone can get some good use from it.
But, "the Word of God will stand forever".
Bye – bye!
Why you INGRATE, you don't even mention me doing those things. I was going on yesterday bout this being the beninning of the beginning of the end of religious influence on our gov. society, children, and THEN the Pat Robertson story hit.
You are but Art Garfunkle to my Paul Simon :)
After I spend 30 seconds reading your memoirs, I'll use them to wipe so that they will have some substance.
Now that you have made that nasty toilet paper remark to my fellow artist palintwit, we ARE going to wipe our rear with some choice "word of god" pages from the bible. When the feces drys, they should stand up for quite a while, although I don't know about forever.
Leave Palintwit and NietoDarwin to duke it out. Their pride will kill each other off
Play nicely. No name calling.
Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see.
This is what the ancients were commended for.
By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God's command,
so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.
And without faith it is impossible to please God,
because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists
and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.
The faith that little children have in Santa Claus is the same kind of faith christians are so proud of
rubbish thats all in the bible
Faith is the willing cessation of rational inquiry in order to be able to accept dogmatic, rote answers to life's questions.
Willful ignorance is not a virtue.
"Faith and reason are like two wings on which the human spirit rises to the contemplation of truth; and God has placed in the human heart a desire to know the truth—in a word, to know himself—so that, by knowing and loving God, men and women may also come to the fullness of truth about themselves (cf. Ex 33:18; Ps 27:8-9; 63:2-3; Jn 14:8; 1 Jn 3:2)."
FIDES ET RATIO (Faith and Reason)
Pope John Paul II
For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing,
but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
For it is written: "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate."
Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age?
Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?
For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him,
God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.
Jews demand miraculous signs and Greeks look for wisdom,
but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles,
but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.
For the foolishness of God is wiser than man's wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man's strength.
wrong cross is torture. your jesus is is subversive to romans
I'm having a difficult time determining if you're more of a parrot than a puppet. Oh well, no matter...
i find it interesting that people seek eternity with a being from whom they have to be "saved". sort of a spiritual Stockholm Syndrome
Forty-six percent believe a god created the earth and humankind less than 10,000 years ago. Forty-seven percent voted for Mitt Romney. It's a little hard to imagine that very many of those young earth creationists voted for Obama...so I'd say we have conclusive proof (as though any more was needed) that ignorance and voting Republican go hand in hand.
I have no reason to doubt that the earth may indeed be nearly 14 billion years old. There are numerous tectonic processes that require a great deal of time to come to fruition. I also believe in GOD and the very real possibility that the face of the earth has been re-created a number of times by various means. Evolution and Creation do not have to be exclusive. If you believe in GOD and are proven wrong by history....you loose what? Did you not use your life to exercise your free will and live it the way you wanted to? And what difference will that make to the Dead. However, if you do NOT believe in GOD and are proved wrong by history....you have lost everything. The stakes could be high, the bet is yours and the smart money says?
The smart money says to live in fear?
“Question with boldness even the existence of God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear” – Thomas Jefferson
Your perspective is not new, it's called Pascal's Wager and was put forth over 350 years ago as a "good reason to believe in God." The counter argument, of course, is one of inauthentic belief (among others). In other words, that argument is been dragged out for centuries and has been beaten down for its weak position since Pascal first suggested it.
Dear "Rev." Robertson,
• As far as one knows or can tell, there was no Abraham i.e. the foundations of Judaism, Christianity and Islam are non-existent.
• As far as one knows or can tell, there was no Moses i.e the pillars of Judaism, Christianity and Islam have no strength of purpose.
There was no Exodus
There was no Noah or Great Flood
David was more likely a provincial leader whose reputation was significantly embellished by the scribes.
There is almost total absence of archaeological evidence" backing up the Bible's grand descriptions of the Jerusalem of David and Solomon.
Added details are available upon request.
... and why should anyone listen to your 'wisdom'. By your own admission, you're just highly evolved chemical soup.
You don't know what you're talking about. There's PLENTY of evidence for the Bible and what it contains. Just look for it.
chemical soup has recipe. your bible is a fairy tale
Yeah, they're at http://www.truthbeknown.com and http://www.jesusneverexisted.com
Time to admit the OT needs significant updating. 1.5 million Conservative Jews and their rabbis have done just that.
Only for the new members of this blog:
origin: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F20E1EFE35540C7A8CDDAA0894DA404482 NY Times review and important enough to reiterate.
New Torah For Modern Minds
“Abraham, the Jewish patriarch, probably never existed. Nor did Moses. (prob•a•bly
Adverb: Almost certainly; as far as one knows or can tell).
The entire Exodus story as recounted in the Bible probably never occurred. The same is true of the tumbling of the walls of Jericho. And David, far from being the fearless king who built Jerusalem into a mighty capital, was more likely a provincial leader whose reputation was later magnified to provide a rallying point for a fledgling nation.
Such startling propositions – the product of findings by archaeologists digging in Israel and its environs over the last 25 years – have gained wide acceptance among non-Orthodox rabbis. But there has been no attempt to disseminate these ideas or to discuss them with the laity – until now.
The United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism, which represents the 1.5 million Conservative Jews in the United States, has just issued a new Torah and commentary, the first for Conservatives in more than 60 years. Called "Etz Hayim" ("Tree of Life" in Hebrew), it offers an interpretation that incorporates the latest findings from archaeology, philology, anthropology and the study of ancient cultures. To the editors who worked on the book, it represents one of the boldest efforts ever to introduce into the religious mainstream a view of the Bible as a human rather than divine doc-ument.
The notion that the Bible is not literally true "is more or less settled and understood among most Conservative rabbis," observed David Wolpe, a rabbi at Sinai Temple in Los Angeles and a contributor to "Etz Hayim." But some congregants, he said, "may not like the stark airing of it." Last Passover, in a sermon to 2,200 congregants at his synagogue, Rabbi Wolpe frankly said that "virtually every modern archaeologist" agrees "that the way the Bible describes the Exodus is not the way that it happened, if it happened at all." The rabbi offered what he called a "LITANY OF DISILLUSION”' about the narrative, including contradictions, improbabilities, chronological lapses and the absence of corroborating evidence. In fact, he said, archaeologists digging in the Sinai have "found no trace of the tribes of Israel – not one shard of pottery."
"When I grew up in Brooklyn, congregants were not sophisticated about anything," said Rabbi Harold Kushner, the author of "When Bad Things Happen to Good People" and a co-editor of the new book. "Today, they are very sophisticated and well read about psychology, literature and history, but they are locked in a childish version of the Bible."
These essays, perused during uninspired sermons or Torah readings at Sabbath services, will no doubt surprise many congregants. For instance, an essay on Ancient Near Eastern Mythology," by Robert Wexler, president of the University of Judaism in Los Angeles, states that on the basis of modern scholarship, it seems unlikely that the story of Genesis originated in Palestine. More likely, Mr. Wexler says, it arose in Mesopotamia, the influence of which is most apparent in the story of the Flood, which probably grew out of the periodic overflowing of the Tigris and Euphrates rivers. The story of Noah, Mr. Wexler adds, was probably borrowed from the Mesopotamian epic Gilgamesh.
Equally striking for many readers will be the essay "Biblical Archaeology," by Lee I. Levine, a professor at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem. "There is no reference in Egyptian sources to Israel's sojourn in that country," he writes, "and the evidence that does exist is negligible and indirect." The few indirect pieces of evidence, like the use of Egyptian names, he adds, "are far from adequate to corroborate the historicity of the biblical account."
Similarly ambiguous, Mr. Levine writes, is the evidence of the conquest and settlement of Canaan, the ancient name for the area including Israel. Excavations showing that Jericho was unwalled and uninhabited, he says, "clearly seem to contradict the violent and complete conquest portrayed in the Book of Joshua." What's more, he says, there is an "almost total absence of archaeological evidence" backing up the Bible's grand descriptions of the Jerusalem of David and Solomon. "
Evolution doesn't exist because your pastor said so...even if the Bible doesn't. Yet bactria have somehow become immune to antibiotics by changing themselves in a molecular level over time (i.e. by "evolving") because God said so? You kow everytime you fall when playing sports or tripping on something or everytime you drop your pen or keys to the ground it's because God willed it, right? It's not gravity....after all gravity is just a "theory" in science. Ask any scientist to prove the existence of gravity and all they can do is make assumptions about how it works and a formula to describe its behaviour. In fact anything in science that is "law" is based on a theory...like the "theory of gravity"...or the "theory of evolution". Oh by there's no way in hell the Queen Mary can carry a pair of every creature from the continental United States, yet alone the entire Earth...and neither can a barge ship 1/300ths the size of the Queen Mary (Noah's Arc). Seriously, what do the carnovours eat for 40 days and what of the viruses and bacteria that can kill creatures, aren't they "creatures" too? They say "faith is blind"-doesn't have to be.
you are absolutely wrong jake. gravity is no longer a theory its a fact now. in science when you have a formula that can describe behavior then thats is absolute. where are you getting all what you are saying here?
a drunk poe?
Now let us assume that God was actually speaking in parables, and that men at that time didnot understand the concept of millions of years. But what amuses me is the fact that while men in the middle east didnot understand this enormity of time (poor uneducated slaves), people in Indian subcontinent already did, 5000 years before them!!! They already had the concept (Vedas and Hindu cosmology) that the universe was indeed billions of years old and there were many universes....
Why do Christians always feel that science attacks them? Bcoz probably they know the foundations they stand on.
Anyone looking for Biblical truth on any of these web sites are in a futile search.
" Anyone looking for Biblical truth on any of these web sites are in a futile search"
Anyone looking for Biblical truth is in a futile search
Biblical truth. You funny guy
wait a minute folks!!! to have a bible book today which was in the form of scrolls before. someone had to invent or discover writing first. then you can write on the scroll what ever you want to write. the question is these writers on the scrolls who told them what to write? so could it be like fairy tale like once upon a time there was.....
what is what if these scrolls writers (assuming they r independent from each other or from different times) were just writing like a fairy tale story. and them someone find their scrolls and just put them together and this is the bible. and who ever put this scrolls together is a good salesman.
"someone had to invent or discover writing first." I guess that would make since to someone that believes in Evolution. But, Adam was created an intelligent human being, not a monkey or a caveman walking around going, "Ugh ugh." He was created by a God that designed every Scientific "Law", even those that scientists will never understand. So, your conclusion is just nonsense.
If i recall my Earth Science textbooks correctly, Usher was a cardinal. He based his creation date by using the Bible's timeline of Adam fathered Cain who fathered etc: he used the Bible's referenced ages of each father. The Bible is, to me, as a Christian God's word recorded by man. Whether the exact words meant the same then as now, or if meaning was lost in translations, I'm no expert. But if you compare a rough timeline of Creation and evolutionary development, the general context is the same. The old issue about the Bible using the Hebrew term "Yom" may or not be relevant. But my best ES Professor walked us down that timeline to show how both versions tell the same, rough story. He was not only an ES Professor, he was a devout Christian who led our college's Campus Crusade for Christ. All we know for sure is that we are here, and whether for economic, survival, or religious, or other reasons, we should take care of the planet, resources, and each other. As a professional soldier, I observed that the old saying there are no atheists in a foxhole is a truism. Tchuss!
"He was not only an ES Professor, he was a devout Christian who led our college's Campus Crusade for Christ."
Amazing. A brainwashed and extremely biased teacher makes the "amazing" discovery that the context of creation and evolution is the same (more or less)
From one old soldier to another... there are plenty of atheists in foxholes...
"Forty-six percent of Americans believe that God created humans in their present form at one point within the past 10,000 years. On a related note, the remainder of the civilized world believes that 46% of Americans are stupid."
And those sitting firmly on the right tail of the bell curve know that everyone to their left are utterly and hopelessly stupid.
Religious American's aren't any more stupid than everyone else who places faith in such things; remember Christianity was invented by the Romans. Stupidity knows no borders and pledges no allegiance to any flag. Stupidity is ubiquitous across the entire race. Study the slaughter-bench of history and you will know what I mean. Humans are doomed, a failed experiment. Good riddance – and none too soon.
100% of Americans will die and be accountable by God.
First time I have ever agreed with Pat Robertson. I just saw a pig fly by my window.
Mankind needs to wake up and realize that religion is a made up story created by man. One day we will move on from religion and the whole world will be better for it. Once we move on from religion, then we can stop fighting ridiculous wars in the name of religion. It will take another world war over religion to change our thinking!
Here's the majors, so plan accordingly for your place in this life or the next: 1) there is not a single fossil to evidence mankind's evolution from some so-called earlier form – so you either believe in our Creator, or Aliens, or you choose not to decide, and that is still a choice. 2) while many uninformed pundits – again by their own choosing and lack of initiative – get confused by the thousands of religious faiths, understand the following: don't get bogged down by the thousands of off-shoots, of the three major (by followers) religions in the world, being Christianity, Judaism, and Islam, all three subcribe to the same core Abrahamic (Old Testament) beliefs. So don't get caught up in thousands... at the high level... three core religions, and they have the same core beliefs.
I completely agree with you, in that the absolute absurdity of Religion, truly
is an impediment to the progression of our species.
@blue: actually there is plenty of evidence for human evolution (in the form of fossils, genetics, geology, you name it). So, it seems that your "choice" is to simply ignore the facts...and that is still a choice (although a lousy one at best). And religions, like life, evolve over time. There were plenty (possibly thousands) of religions that pre-date Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. These religions represent only recent changes in belief given the full history of humanity. And even still, they are vastly different than they were at their inception.
By "followers" the top 4 are
Here is a link to some of the 1000's of fossils found evidencing mankinds evolution
I don't have time to correct every ignorant religious poster but I do my part to help stop the spread of lies and misinformation.
What I predict is that all the religionists will battle each other and eventually cancel each other out. Then, when the dust settles, those that remain on Earth will be the ones that have always known better.
Remember, the death of any religion can only happen if the believers themselves perish.
Here's the majors, so plan accordingly for your place in this life or the next: 1) there is not a single fossil to evidence mankind's evolution from some so-called earlier form (see missing link) however we do however have mountains of DNA evidence showing we have common ancestors with primates – so you either believe in a Creator, or Aliens, or actual evolution or a mix of any of the three. 2) while many uninformed pundits like Blue – again by their own choosing and lack of initiative – get confused by the thousands of religious faiths, understand the following: don't get bogged down by the thousands of off-shoots, of the three major (by followers) religions in the world, being Christianity, Judaism, and Islam, all three subcribe to the same core Abrahamic (Old Testament) beliefs. Sure, the thousands are often just splinters of the main three religions and differ only in their interpretations of a 2000 year old compilation of bronze age herdsmens visions of what the universe is and that they have been getting most of the basics such as the shape of the earth and what the center of the universe is wrong for centuries, we should look past that and forget all the science and actual truth and understanding we have learned from repeatable scientific experiment and throw it out the window because a shepherd 2500 years ago claims a bush spoke to him...
So don't get caught up in thousands... at the high level... three core religions, and they have the same core beliefs and yet all three have claimed a monopoly on truth and have tried to wipe out any dissenters with violence throughout history, so either one of them is correct, or none of them are...
So WW1 & WW2, Hitler's view about a natural selection of a white race meaning anything?
Or even 200 years. LOL. Your hypocrisy is amazing.
"The earth is flat"
No, never mind, actually it's a sphere.
"The earth is the center of the universe, and everything rotates around it"
No never mind, we were wrong about that too. The universe is expanding, and the sun is the center of our solar system, and the earth revolves around the sun.
"The earth was created in six days ten thousand years ago"
No sorry, we got that one wrong too. The earth is just a little older than 10,000 years. It's more like 13,000,000 to 14,500,000 years old.
"The bible is that absolute literal word of the omnipotent creator of everything"
Oh, sorry about that........
I'm not sure where your getting your earth age from, but your number is against both science (3.5 billion years) and creation 6,000 years. . . .
Sorry, Andy, you're off by about a billion years (4.5 billion). Maybe you're thinking of estimates of the first life on Earth (~3.5-3.7bya)?
Lots of strong opinions here. Be it deists, atheists or agnostics, they all claim to have absolute knowledge of the true nature of existence. What a bunch of dopes. I am a me-ist since I (me) am the only one that knows the real story. Contributions to me are welcome.
That would technically make you an "autotheist".
Thanks Doc. So, I can count on your $upport in my quest to glorify me?
... and THAT explains exactly why the world is in its current condition (FALLEN).
But us fools who believe in the Word of God (which, by the way, was HERE before any of us reading this, and will REMAIN long after our stupid generation is gone) look forward to a new Heavens and a new Earth.
And none of your foolishness will stop the wonderful Plan of our Sovereign God from being fulfilled to its last, intimate detail.
Thank you sir for agreeing with me. I knew I had it exactly right. Would you like to be one of my apostles?
Zero physical evidence of any evolution haven taken place, no fossils to back it up. Our sudden appearance on this planet. OK logical hypocrites, look at what we've done to this world in the last 200 or 2,000 years. Do you REALLY think we've been scrapping as a species at this for millions on this planet considering what we've done to this world in 2,000 years – while 'evolving' ? Really? LOL. You either believe in a Creator as chronicled by the Christianity, Judaism, and Islam, which all share the same Abrahamic old testament root, or you believe we appeared thanks to Aliens. The latter is only postponing the topic of our Creator to another time and planet.
Let me help you with some math, you logisticians. This species would have been here 5,000 times – at least – as long as the 2,000 years we've already been here scrapping up this world. So again, look at what we've done to this world in the last 2,000 years, and multiply that by 5,000 times. Really? OK.
Actually blue, if you look back around 3000 BC it is like we were declining. NOW we are going back up ...however we still have not learned our lesson and will destroy ourselves once again....hence we start a decline back to stone age...then they can create new gods
Wait a minute, folks. We're getting off subject. Do you or don't you want to know the truth of existence?
Agnostics, by definition, do not claim any such thing.
Agnostics claim that they know there is no way of knowing.
Samson with Hair
Wait a minute, folks. We're getting off subject. Do you or don't you want to know the truth of existence?
Actually that is not a priority. Perhaps if people lived in the present, rather than the past or future we might avoid destroying ourselves.
Destruction has always been the SOP of human nature. Do you think that will ever change?
btechno, "agnostics", by definition, know nothing. The Greek "gnosis" means "knowledge", the "a" before it means "without". Therefore, I would say that anyone who claims to know everything, which includes all religion, actually knows nothing. Therefore, all religionists are agnostic.
Yeah you're going to hell because you believe the Earth is older than 6000 years old...but the guy who commited sin all his life, cruicified on the cross next to Jesus went to heaven after a few minutes conversation with Jesus that didn't include how the universe was created. So even though it takes several million years, for example, for a creature to become oil. God just put a bunch of oil in the ground to begin with just because, right? Speaking of oil, if you believe that oil always existed since the beginning it should tell you that you're pretty ignorant about how things are formed. I mention oil because Pat was once an "oil guy" until he got shut down by the large oil companies who undercut his refinery business. Pat knows all about Dino fuel. And that it takes millions of years from a creature's death (e.g., dinosaurs) to being buried under ground to be exposed to tons of pressure from soll over it to finally become oil. And that oil prospectors look for traces of fossils that indicate there might have been life on that spot MILLIONS of years ago to help them determine if there's oil under there. They don't go around asking "If I were God where would I miraculously put oil?"
If god put the oil under the ground, he is obviously a muslim.
Why else would he give it all to Saudi Arabia.
remember the manna from the heavens, that was the oil.
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