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Pat Robertson challenges creationism
Pat Robertson: "There was a time when these giant reptiles were on the Earth, and it was before the time of the Bible."
November 29th, 2012
04:04 PM ET

Pat Robertson challenges creationism

By Dan Merica, CNN

Washington (CNN) – Televangelist Pat Robertson challenged the idea that Earth is 6,000 years old this week, saying the man who many credit with conceiving the idea, former Archbishop of Ireland James Ussher, “wasn’t inspired by the Lord when he said that it all took 6,000 years.”

The statement was in response to a question Robertson fielded Tuesday from a viewer on his Christian Broadcasting Network show "The 700 Club.” In a submitted question, the viewer wrote that one of her biggest fears was that her children and husband would not go to heaven “because they question why the Bible could not explain the existence of dinosaurs.”

“You go back in time, you've got radiocarbon dating. You got all these things, and you've got the carcasses of dinosaurs frozen in time out in the Dakotas,” Robertson said. “They're out there. So, there was a time when these giant reptiles were on the Earth, and it was before the time of the Bible. So, don't try and cover it up and make like everything was 6,000 years. That's not the Bible.”

Before answering the question, Robertson acknowledged the statement was controversial by saying, “I know that people will probably try to lynch me when I say this.”

“If you fight science, you are going to lose your children, and I believe in telling them the way it was,” Robertson concluded.

Forty-six percent of Americans believe that God created humans in their present form at one point within the past 10,000 years, according to a survey released by Gallup in June. That number has remained unchanged for the past 30 years, since 1982, when Gallup first asked the question on creationism versus evolution.

The Gallup poll has not specifically asked about views on the age of the Earth.

Ussher’s work, from the mid-1600s, is widely cited by creationists as evidence that Earth is only a few thousand years old. Answer in Genesis, the famed Christian creationist ministry behind the Creation Museum in Petersburg, Kentucky, cites Ussher as proof of Earth’s age. They describe the archbishop as “a brilliant scholar who had very good reasons for his conclusions concerning the date of creation.”

For Christians who read the creation account in Genesis literally, the six days in the account are strictly 24-hour periods and leave no room for evolution. Young Earth creationists use this construct and biblical genealogies to determine the age of the Earth, and typically come up with 6,000 to 10,000 years.

Most scientists, however, agree that the Earth is 4.5 billion years old and the universe is 14.5 billion years old.

The idea of creationism has been scorned by the mainstream scientific community since shortly after Charles Darwin introduced "The Origin of Species" in 1859. By 1880, The American Naturalists, a science journal, reported nearly every major university in America was teaching evolution.

The question about Earth’s age has been in the news recently. Earlier this month, Republican Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida attempted to walk the line between science and faith-based creationism in remarks that that provoked the ire of liberal blogs and left the door open to creationism.

“I'm not a scientist, man,” Rubio told GQ’s Micheal Hainey. “I can tell you what recorded history says, I can tell you what the Bible says, but I think that's a dispute amongst theologians and I think it has nothing to do with the gross domestic product or economic growth of the United States.”

– CNN’s Eric Marrapodi contributed to this report.

- Dan Merica

Filed under: Christianity • Creationism • Evolution

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  1. Bible Clown©

    This guy is the biggest nut on the tree. So God "recreated" the earth? Man, the hits just keep on coming. It's a new Biblical revelation; I guess he's jealous of Ussher and wants his own chapter in the Book of Crazy.

    November 30, 2012 at 3:49 pm |
  2. darioringach

    “If you fight science, you are going to lose your children, and I believe in telling them the way it was,” Robertson concluded.

    But you should not do things out of fear (such as losing your children)... that's what religion is about.
    Seeking and telling the truth is simply the right thing to do.

    November 30, 2012 at 3:46 pm |
    • MikeO

      Christianity is about love, not fear, so you are dead wrong. Also, the Bible clearly states in Genesis that the Earth had been around for many years, but without "form" and was "void" (empty) until God created life for it.

      So don't try to make out like science has all the answers when it can't even produce ONE of the billions of missing links it professes.

      November 30, 2012 at 3:51 pm |
    • Bring'em young

      Mike O.
      You are the one who is unaccepting of reality.
      Men created the bible.
      In it they created this character you call god.
      That is it.

      November 30, 2012 at 3:54 pm |
    • Honey Badger Dont Care

      Religion has nothing to do with truth. It is based on faith which can be argued is the opposite of truth.

      The scientific method is the only reliable path to truth that exists.

      November 30, 2012 at 4:09 pm |
    • Cal

      MikeO
      Problem is, creationists are looking for "missing links" that are exactly half one thing and half another. Things like mermaids, centaurs and crocoducks which, or course, is ridiculous! Gradual change shows major differences over time, like how you change from a baby to an old man. You don't go to bed a baby one night and wake up with grey hair the next. You don't notice any difference in how you look from one day to the next.

      November 30, 2012 at 4:10 pm |
    • Smack

      SmackO, have you read the Bible? It's one of the most vicious and violent books in the history of the world.

      Everything from commandments to kill other tribes, kill their non-virgin women, take the virgins as your own property. Then you have rules to stone non-virgin unwed females in front of the parents, ability to kill your disobedient children, can sell your daughter into 7 years of slavery for cash and a clear definition of how badly you can beat your slaves. There is the flood that killed all living beings on the planet except for a single family, plagues, etc, etc.

      There is even a story where God commands two female bears to rip apart 42 kids for making fun of a bald man of God. Seriously! Seriously! People burning in hell! Christianity is all about fear mongo ring. If Jesus was real then the irony of it all would be thatmit took a human to correct everything your God stood for.

      November 30, 2012 at 4:18 pm |
    • Primewonk

      @MikeO – what I would really appreciate is if you could post for us the scientific definition of "missing link", and include the scientific website you get it from.

      Thanks.

      November 30, 2012 at 4:25 pm |
  3. Josh

    I believe in God, but I don't believe in Archbishop James Ussher.

    God might be infallible, but Ussher is human and as any human, quite fallible.

    November 30, 2012 at 3:45 pm |
    • MikeO

      Wonderfully stated, Josh.

      November 30, 2012 at 3:51 pm |
    • lolol

      I wonder if God created the earth with perceived age. I suppose my question isn't how old earth is but when did "time" start?

      November 30, 2012 at 3:55 pm |
    • Rationalintn

      Just wondering, if God is infallible, why does he have an ego? A true god would not need an ego– which basically leads organisms to believe they need something outside of themselves and produces the characteristic of being vain.

      An animal's ego would force it to display qualities that attract a mate. Therefore that animal would have to be prideful and vain and put on a show to attract its mate.

      Humans show their ego everyday. Some have to be told constantly how wonderful they are, in order to be satisfied.

      Yet, why would God need to be worshipped or glorified by mere mortals? If a being has the sort of infinite power and wisdom that the Christian god has– why does he need to show human characteristics? An angry god? A jealous god? He's starting to sound like a sinful god. Or, maybe just like one of those gods from Greek and/or Roman mythology.

      November 30, 2012 at 4:11 pm |
    • John A

      You are a wise person Josh.

      November 30, 2012 at 5:06 pm |
  4. Bhawk

    This comes from a man who believes that God tells him about healing someone's broken leg and reports to him what the alomighty is doing. He is a false prophet who sole purpose in life is to make money off of people searching for a telephone line to a God. Religion has turned God and worship into a mystical practice with magic signs/ symbols, love potion #9 , magic hats and underwear, magic books, oracles, and the belief that only certain men can tell people what God is, wants, does and did.

    November 30, 2012 at 3:44 pm |
    • niknak

      Organized religion is just another form of a corporation.
      The cross, or star of david or the moon and sickly are just corporat logos like the Ni_ke Swoo_sh.
      They must raise money just like any corporation. And scammers like Roberstson have become CEOs of very lucrative bussinesses, which depend on the sheep to keep giving.

      November 30, 2012 at 3:51 pm |
  5. Ron

    The very first phrases of the bible say the Earth was void and without form. How long did that go on? You know, it is also hard to accept\fathom that particles can appear out of thin vacuum. Or that, in our universe, eventually, space will expand at a rate faster then the speed of light. Apparently, if you are fortunate enough to be around at that time, the galaxy you are in will seem to be the only galaxy in the universe as the other galaxies will be receding away from your galaxy faster than the speed of light.

    November 30, 2012 at 3:40 pm |
    • ME II

      @Ron,
      "You know, it is also hard to accept\fathom that particles can appear out of thin vacuum."

      Agreed.
      "And God said, 'Let there be light,' and there was light."

      November 30, 2012 at 3:43 pm |
    • Tod

      Apparently, you have no difficulty imagining a super being who always existed magically capable of creating particles out of thin vacuum though. How is this a BETTER explanation?

      November 30, 2012 at 3:44 pm |
    • Ron

      What about "The very first phrases of the bible say the Earth was void and without form. How long did that go on?"? Any comments on that?

      November 30, 2012 at 3:47 pm |
    • Bhawk

      Truthfully we know nothing–did God create all this–no evidence he did–and if you tell me its in the bible thats like Ewoks defeat the evil empire–it on the movie. We gone from magic to some understanding but some still believe the earth is flat.

      November 30, 2012 at 3:49 pm |
    • Ron

      The problem is, it is NOT a better explanation, but, a worse one. I'm just saying that you almost have to take, ON FAITH, that the particles do appear out of thin vacuum. It has become an inescapable fact, though, that all the universal equations – those to do with gravity, mass, etc, etc – all solve out to 0! (That's ZERO!) That is almost God like in its own way, don't you think?

      November 30, 2012 at 3:51 pm |
    • heliocracy

      By my count the Earth was "without form" for around 9.25 billion years. But that does not change the fact that it was certainly not created in six days, in its present form. The idea that particles can arise out of the "vacuum" only seems far-fetched when you have no knowledge of quantum theory, just as the idea that the earth orbits the sun would seem strange to someone who knows nothing more than what they saw with their own eyes every day.

      November 30, 2012 at 3:56 pm |
    • Ron

      Ah yes – Quantum theory – the fluctuation of the Quantum foam. Theory says that the first fluctuation of the Quantum foam was the Big Bang. Sometimes, though, it almost seems as if people are using Quantum theory to say anything can possibly happen, and it will! ;-|)> Pardon my liberty of humor relating to a serious subject.

      November 30, 2012 at 4:00 pm |
    • ME II

      @Ron,
      "What about 'The very first phrases of the bible say the Earth was void and without form. How long did that go on?'? Any comments on that?"
      The first phrases talk about creating the Heavens and the Earth and yet the Earth didn't exist until ~9 billion years after the "Heavens", in fact couldn't have existed until a few generations of stars burned and exploded.

      November 30, 2012 at 6:04 pm |
  6. Horus

    "if you want to define god as the ever-shrinking unknown then I'm with you" – Neil Degrasse Tyson

    November 30, 2012 at 3:37 pm |
  7. Miriam

    Folks we are warned in the Bible to watch out for wolves in Lambs clothing.......CBN has long been straying for true Biblical principles.....this remark is no surprise. I believe Satan has used CBN and Pat Robinson to confuse and keep folks from the real truth thats in the Bible. I dont believe a persons view on creationism or evolution is a "salvation issue" but once you have become a child of God I dont see how you cant allow yourself to believe in the entire Bible and trust that God is BIG enough to do what He says and did create the world in 7 days with no help from "time and evolution" evolution is a trick from Satan to keep you from completly trusting God for everything. This is a sad testament to so called Christians who lead people astray. Pat needs to stop talking in public.

    November 30, 2012 at 3:34 pm |
    • Athy

      Miriam, you are a sad, deluded fool. How can you believe such nonsense?

      November 30, 2012 at 3:36 pm |
    • Bob

      Miriam, speaking of what's in your Christian book of nasty AKA the bible, have a look at these horrors, from both OT and NT:

      Numbers 31:17-18
      17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
      18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

      Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”

      Revelations 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

      Leviticus 25
      44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.
      45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.
      46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

      Note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.

      Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.

      And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.

      So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.

      Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement. Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.

      http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

      November 30, 2012 at 3:38 pm |
    • Madtown

      once you have become a child of God
      -----–
      News for you: God doesn't love/care about you any more/less than any other human being in this world today.

      November 30, 2012 at 3:41 pm |
    • Primewonk

      So Miriam thinks evolution is a trick of Satan. I certainly hope that she refuses the benefits of anything related to evolution. Not just refusing any antibiotics and vaccines, but most modern medicine as well as all foodstuffs.

      November 30, 2012 at 3:44 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Primewonk

      Of course she still benefits from those things. One of the marks of tru Christian fundamentalism is large amounts of hypocrisy.

      November 30, 2012 at 3:47 pm |
    • Smack

      Good excerpts Bob. I'd also throw in items such as stoning non-virgins on their wedding night in front of their parents, killing your disobedient children, can sell your daughter into 7 years of slavery for cash, rules on how badly you can beat your slaves.

      Then there are plenty of non-violent zingers such as your animal sacrifices must have no imperfections. Apparently god does not like burnt lamb if one leg is shorter than the other three. Or how about the rule that a man of god may not have abnormal testicles. Then you have the ultimate human sacrifice to save the human race. What an awesome book!

      November 30, 2012 at 3:51 pm |
    • heliocracy

      Has it ever occurred to you that Satan has manipulated and used the Bible to confuse people and lead them away from the truth that's in science? Believe it or not, there's actually more evidence for this proposition than for yours.

      November 30, 2012 at 3:58 pm |
    • Rationalintn

      This is typical of someone who has been home schooled by religious zealots. They teach their kids early to "defend their faith". That simply means the parents teach them to use nonsense arguments to debate nonbelievers. If someone raises a valid point, they frequently turn to "well Jesus said we would be persecuted, so that makes us better followers."

      November 30, 2012 at 4:19 pm |
  8. Reality

    And now to follow your own evolution:

    For $199, you can find out if you ar part Neaderthal- not kidding:

    As per National Geographic's Genographic project:

    https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/

    " DNA studies suggest that all humans today descend from a group of African ancestors who about 60,000 years ago began a remarkable journey. Follow the journey from them to you as written in your genes”.

    "Adam" is the common male ancestor of every living man. He lived in Africa some 60,000 years ago, which means that all humans lived in Africa at least at that time.

    Unlike his Biblical namesake, this Adam was not the only man alive in his era. Rather, he is unique because his descendents are the only ones to survive.

    It is important to note that Adam does not literally represent the first human. He is the coalescence point of all the genetic diversity."

    For your $199 and a DNA swab:

    "Included in the markers we will test for is a subset that scientists have recently determined to be from our hominin cousins, Neanderthals and the newly discovered Denisovans, who split from our lineage around 500,000 years ago. As modern humans were first migrating out of Africa more than 60,000 years ago, Neanderthals and Denisovans were still alive and well in Eurasia. It seems that our ancestors met, leaving a small genetic trace of these ancient relatives in our DNA. With Geno 2.0, you will learn if you have any Neanderthal or Denisovan DNA in your genome."

    November 30, 2012 at 3:31 pm |
    • blogo

      Current data suggest that modern humans evolved from archaic humans primarily in East Africa. A 195,000 year old fossil from the Omo 1 site in Ethiopia shows the beginnings of the skull changes that we associate with modern people, including a rounded skull case and possibly a projecting chin. A 160,000 year old skull from the Herto site in the Middle Awash area of Ethiopia also seems to be at the early stages of this transition. It had the rounded skull case but retained the large brow ridges of archaic humans. Somewhat more advanced transitional forms have been found at Laetoli in Tanzania dating to about 120,000 years ago. By 115,000 years ago, early modern humans had expanded their range to South Africa and into Southwest Asia (Israel)

      shortly after 100,000 years ago. There is no reliable evidence of modern humans elsewhere in the Old World until 60,000-40,000 years ago, during a short temperate period in the midst of the last ice age.

      November 30, 2012 at 3:37 pm |
  9. ICE DINO

    I'm sorry, I really can't let this one go, even if he is just trolling.

    "And why do you think all these creatures are found in ICE?"

    I don't think that, NO ONE does. No one has ever found a dinosaur in ice. They're fossils. Fossils are made of STONE.

    November 30, 2012 at 3:30 pm |
    • Spidey

      Did you ever hear the term "Frozen in time"? Your a moron if you think he meant ice...

      November 30, 2012 at 3:40 pm |
    • ICE DINO

      @Spidey

      See those little marks around the sentence? Those are quotation marks, meaning the sentence is a direct quote. My comment was a response to a comment from "THINK ABOUT IT" below. I don't know why it posted as a separate post.

      ... but you have a nice day!

      November 30, 2012 at 3:44 pm |
  10. Manny

    I wish someone would make me a cheeseburger.

    God : Poof, you're a cheeseburger !

    November 30, 2012 at 3:29 pm |
  11. EVP

    I'm now one of the 4000 people to comment on this story, but it just seems interesting to me that if there is a god as described in the bible, why does he keep giving us more and more information (via science) that not only refutes 'the word' but ultimately seems to indicate that he doesn't exist in the first place. Is he plotting his own demise? The only reasonable answer I can come up with is that the bible was the word of man – not god – and it was based on legends, stories, knowledge and science as it existed about 2000 years ago. Mankind will laugh at us 2000 years from now the way we are amused at Greek 'mythology' and Jesus will just be another Zeus..

    November 30, 2012 at 3:28 pm |
    • lol??

      Leapin' lizards.

      November 30, 2012 at 3:30 pm |
    • Nietodarwin

      The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus…will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter.
      Thomas Jefferson

      November 30, 2012 at 3:30 pm |
    • lol??

      Leapin' Jefferson. HHHmmm where'd I stack that laundry?

      November 30, 2012 at 3:37 pm |
    • PrimeNumber

      Mathematics, physics, and scientific instruments have not discovered God. Anybody who gathers data using such methods and hoping to find God is kidding himself. Any information about God's existence is available through one "instrument". Namely, the human person. If God were to express Godself to us, he would do it by the only relevant means – humanly. Our discovery of God is accomplished by the person, not scientific instruments. Naturally, the Bible will have a very human aspect. Jesus was The Word, i.e., God's expression of Himself in human language, the language of human personhood.

      November 30, 2012 at 3:37 pm |
    • Ted

      EVP, your "reasonable answer" is surely correct; and the faster we can be rid of the nonsense known as "creationism", the better off we will be.

      November 30, 2012 at 3:39 pm |
    • ICE DINO

      @PrimeNumber

      So you're saying God only exists in your head? Spot on! We're in agreement! Glad we could reason this out.

      November 30, 2012 at 3:40 pm |
    • heliocracy

      PrimeNumber, science is not attempting to prove the existence (or non-existence) of God. They're also not trying to prove or disprove that mighty Neptune, Lord of the Sea, really exists either. Both are myths.

      November 30, 2012 at 4:02 pm |
  12. Randolph Peters

    This author keeps saying scientists thing the age of the universe is 14.5 billion years old. The proper number is 13.75 billion years. Look it up Dan Merica.

    November 30, 2012 at 3:27 pm |
    • heliocracy

      They've made that same mistake several times now, I've commented on it before to no avail.

      November 30, 2012 at 4:04 pm |
  13. EB

    That smile is making me nervous....

    November 30, 2012 at 3:26 pm |
    • Ron

      AMEN!

      November 30, 2012 at 3:31 pm |
  14. Dr. Rick Stoppe

    Let us hope that Evangelical Christians in mass will accept the facts of science regarding dating of creation etc. Kudos to Pat Robinson for his announcement.

    November 30, 2012 at 3:23 pm |
    • lol??

      I dunno, Doc, your facts are so squiggly.

      November 30, 2012 at 3:28 pm |
  15. Todd G.

    Not sure which is more terrifying – Pat sounding somewhat rational about science, or the fact that 46% of people surveyed think the planet and everything on it is less than 10,000 years old. After 150 years of teaching evolution, HALF of this putatively enlightened country still doesn't believe it – ARGH!

    November 30, 2012 at 3:22 pm |
  16. palintwit

    Sarah Palin believes that early man rode dinosaurs to church every Sunday and parked them in the Roman Coliseum.

    November 30, 2012 at 3:19 pm |
    • Charles

      Texans would, of course, and driven the big sauropods and parked diagonally across four spaces.

      November 30, 2012 at 3:29 pm |
    • Sonny

      palintwit, palin is wrong, they went to church on the seventh day back then, not on sunday.

      November 30, 2012 at 3:57 pm |
  17. Think About it

    There is no disagreement with the Bible and Science, just read the Bible and you'll be amazed at how intelligent it is. The Bible CONFIRMS that there were dinosaurs on the earth, read Job 40:15 "“Look at Behemoth, which I made along with you and which feeds on grass like an ox." AND Job 41:1 "“Can you pull in Leviathan with a fishhook or tie down its tongue with a rope?" The Behemoth and the Leviathan were dinosaurs that roamed on the earth before the flood and the Bible mentions them specifically. And why do you think all these creatures are found in ICE? Maybe because there was WATER... This is simple science. And the Bible tells all about it.

    People who say the Bible does not believe in dinosaurs have obviously not read it. Whether that is Pat Robertson or anyone else. Just because someone has a TV show does not make them an expert on the Bible. So if you want to critique the Bible make sure you've actually read it and don't take another persons word.

    Other items that people seem not to know about the Bible:
    When the scientist of the world thought the world was flat, the Bible said it was round...
    Isaiah 40:22 "He/God sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers."

    If you want to know about science, read the Bible. Because one day the scientist will catch up to the Bible.

    November 30, 2012 at 3:13 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      The Hebrew word used in the original text is "Chug", which means a flat circle, like a coin.
      The word for orb/ball is "Dur".
      The bible posits a flat Earth.

      November 30, 2012 at 3:19 pm |
    • sam

      And the gold medal for mental gymnastics goes to....

      November 30, 2012 at 3:19 pm |
    • Horus

      "there is no disagreement with the Bible and Science"

      In the words of John Mcenroe – "You cannot be serious".

      November 30, 2012 at 3:20 pm |
    • PaulB

      Dinosaurs did not chew their cud like oxen or cattle. Sauropods ate like giraffes, at tree top level. No chewing teeth. They swallowed stones like some birds do to grind up their food.

      November 30, 2012 at 3:23 pm |
    • ICE DINO

      The bible also says the pi = 3. I think science may have a disagreement with that. Have YOU read the bible?

      November 30, 2012 at 3:23 pm |
    • OOO

      @Thing About it,
      I thought about it.
      I'm utterly unconvinced by your argument. But by all means, try again.

      November 30, 2012 at 3:24 pm |
    • kenny

      nice try but bible stories were written by men over thousands of years, collected together and called the word of whoever to by the powerful who wanted to control the many but didn't have enough guards to watch over them... its really that simple... no god, no heaven, u just die and thats it... the sooner you accept it the happier you will be in this, your one and only life...

      November 30, 2012 at 3:25 pm |
    • EttaK Ohio

      "Think About it"

      Obviously, you didn't.

      November 30, 2012 at 3:26 pm |
    • Madtown

      The Behemoth and the Leviathan were dinosaurs
      ------–
      How do you know this? Neither of the verses you mentioned used the word "dinosaur".

      November 30, 2012 at 3:27 pm |
    • Roger that

      And Noah chose to omit the dinosaurs from the ark. I think you're on to something. It's all starting to come together.

      November 30, 2012 at 3:28 pm |
    • Chick-a-dee

      Catechism of the Catholic Church
      Part1:The Profession of Faith (26 – 1065)
      Section1:"I Believe" — "We Believe" (26 – 184)
      Chapter3:Man's Response to God (142 – 184)
      Article1:I Believe (144 – 165)

      159 Faith and science: "Though faith is above reason, there can never be any real discrepancy between faith and reason. Since the same God who reveals mysteries and infuses faith has bestowed the light of reason on the human mind, God cannot deny himself, nor can truth ever contradict truth." "Consequently, methodical research in all branches of knowledge, provided it is carried out in a truly scientific manner and does not override moral laws, can never conflict with the faith, because the things of the world and the things of faith derive from the same God. The humble and persevering investigator of the secrets of nature is being led, as it were, by the hand of God in spite of himself, for it is God, the conserver of all things, who made them what they are."

      November 30, 2012 at 3:30 pm |
    • ME II

      @Think About it,
      There is no evidence of a world-wide flood.
      Behemouth and Leviathon could be anything, like hippos, elephants, or whales.
      The Earth is not a "circle" it is a sphere, ball, or globe, unlike the disc-shaped world many ancient people believed in.

      November 30, 2012 at 3:30 pm |
    • Charles

      Roger that
      Them, the unicorns and maybe the dragons too.

      November 30, 2012 at 3:32 pm |
    • ME II

      I think the Bible, if not taken literally, can be reconciled with science.
      The opposite, however, is not true.

      November 30, 2012 at 3:33 pm |
    • Roger that

      Time for a Guiness. Brilliant!

      November 30, 2012 at 3:34 pm |
    • ME II

      @Think About it,
      As @Jeff points out below, Odin, got rid of the Ice Giants not the Abrahamic god.

      November 30, 2012 at 3:39 pm |
    • ME II

      @Roger that,
      Roger that!!

      November 30, 2012 at 3:40 pm |
    • Martin

      ICE? You must be confusing dinosaurs with woolly mammoths... but what's a few dozen million years between friends of the Bible, eh? :-)

      November 30, 2012 at 3:47 pm |
    • Phayse

      @Think About It "And why do you think all these creatures are found in ICE? Maybe because there was WATER... This is simple science."
      1. Not all dinosaur bones are not found in ice.
      2. Different dinosaur species lived at different times and are recorded in the fossil recorded consistently planet wide.
      3. Human remains and dinosaur remains are not anywhere close together in the geologic record. Actually millions of years apart.
      4. Do you really think humans could compete with a predators like T-Rex or Allosaurus?

      The church used to persecute people for suggesting things like "The earth is round" and "The sun rotates around the earth".
      It seems they evolved in their thinking on those points. I still can't understand why creationists insist in the face of overwhelming evidence that the earth is some 6000 years old. There have been excavations of settlements 1000's of years older. It isn't faith that keeps you from changing your opinion it is pure stubbornness to realize that some guy's (not Gods) writing in the 15th century probably didn't have all the information you have access to. God gave man a wonderful brain. Take a look a cliff of limestone sometime closely and realize each tiny line was a year like a tree. Sit and think about that, perhaps God worked in mysterious ways and possibly over millions or billions of years. Please evolve and join us in the 21st century.

      November 30, 2012 at 3:47 pm |
    • Tod

      ME II
      And Superman comics, if not taken literally, can also be reconciled with science. What's your point?

      November 30, 2012 at 3:49 pm |
    • Chick-a-dee

      @ Me II:

      Now come on! We are running around with our panties in a wad because we know global warming is melting the polar ice caps. And we have it on pretty good authority that the same sort of glacial melting occurred with the last ice age. Why wouldn't you think that allegorical reference to a giant flood wouldn't be describing the same sort of prehistoric occurrence? Because the bible included it before we had the science to "discover it"? That makes as much sense as discounting the knowledge of indigenous peoples just because they know now and knew long before science did about the medicinal properties of plants in their regions.

      Phenomena related to the Ice Age Floods
      The Ice Age Floods Insti.tute (IAFI), an educational nonprofit

      http://www.iafi.org/floods.html

      Recent research has found evidence that comparable floods occurred much earlier in the Ice Age in the Columbia Basin, as much as 1 to 2 million years ago. It has been determined that huge Ice Age glacial-outburst floods occurred in other parts of the world, as well. Even in our own times, similar but much smaller floods have occurred. Scientific study of the Ice Age Floods is contributing to the understanding of cyclical climate change and of very large and destructive contemporary floods on Earth. The Ice Age Floods have also been considered as an analog to understand geologic processes on Mars, where landforms strikingly similar to those in Eastern Washington exist. Could huge floods on this scale happen again? Although global warming may now be a serious concern, it is likely that long-term climate cycles will cause large ice sheets to return at some time in the distant future, and cataclysmic outburst floods will probably recur in this region. "

      November 30, 2012 at 3:56 pm |
    • ME II

      @Tod
      "What's your point?"
      I don't have an issue with the Bible, religion, or superman, as long as it's not portrayed as science. Most debate here would not happen if it weren't for the few literalists in the virtual crowd.

      November 30, 2012 at 4:06 pm |
    • heliocracy

      Dinosaurs and humans never co-existed on the earth, as your Bible quote suggests. The earth is not a circle, it is roughly a sphere...biblical-era people would have considered it a circle (and therefore flat). Like all Bible quotes, this proves nothing.

      November 30, 2012 at 4:08 pm |
    • ME II

      @Chick a dee,
      I have no problem with "allegorical reference to a giant flood".

      I do have a problem with a literal reading of the world-wide flood as described in the Bible. There is no evidence for it and the evidence would be fairly apparent, I would think.

      November 30, 2012 at 4:10 pm |
    • Matt

      This would be the funniest thing I've seen all day if it wasn't so sad.

      November 30, 2012 at 4:17 pm |
  18. Rick

    Religion is the ultimate farce.

    November 30, 2012 at 3:11 pm |
    • Donna

      Ultimate means last. No, faith in science is a farce that came long after religion did. You putative, dabblers of science don't even understand what Darwin really did - he changed philosophy, but the progressives took it to promote their own form of immorality.

      November 30, 2012 at 3:26 pm |
    • OOO

      Donna,
      There is no such thing as faith in science. There is trust in science because it has earned it.

      November 30, 2012 at 3:28 pm |
  19. Ty

    Why did Robertson change his mind? Didn’t he use to believe in creationism?

    November 30, 2012 at 3:10 pm |
    • FYI

      Read the dang article...

      November 30, 2012 at 3:32 pm |
  20. Jeff

    Your god is weak.
    Odin the all father said he would rid the earth of Ice Giants. Your god said he would rid the earth of evil.
    .... I don't see any ice giants around, do you!

    November 30, 2012 at 3:07 pm |
    • THOR

      AYE, THE ALLFATHER IS MIGHTY AND RID MIDGARD OF THAT SCOURGE!

      November 30, 2012 at 3:20 pm |
    • Loki

      I resent this entire conversation.

      November 30, 2012 at 3:21 pm |
    • J

      fair enough...

      November 30, 2012 at 3:28 pm |
    • heliocracy

      Worship me, for I have freed you from the scourge of the giant, man-eating koala bears! All hail the mighty Heliocracy!

      November 30, 2012 at 4:10 pm |
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