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Pat Robertson challenges creationism
Pat Robertson: "There was a time when these giant reptiles were on the Earth, and it was before the time of the Bible."
November 29th, 2012
04:04 PM ET

Pat Robertson challenges creationism

By Dan Merica, CNN

Washington (CNN) – Televangelist Pat Robertson challenged the idea that Earth is 6,000 years old this week, saying the man who many credit with conceiving the idea, former Archbishop of Ireland James Ussher, “wasn’t inspired by the Lord when he said that it all took 6,000 years.”

The statement was in response to a question Robertson fielded Tuesday from a viewer on his Christian Broadcasting Network show "The 700 Club.” In a submitted question, the viewer wrote that one of her biggest fears was that her children and husband would not go to heaven “because they question why the Bible could not explain the existence of dinosaurs.”

“You go back in time, you've got radiocarbon dating. You got all these things, and you've got the carcasses of dinosaurs frozen in time out in the Dakotas,” Robertson said. “They're out there. So, there was a time when these giant reptiles were on the Earth, and it was before the time of the Bible. So, don't try and cover it up and make like everything was 6,000 years. That's not the Bible.”

Before answering the question, Robertson acknowledged the statement was controversial by saying, “I know that people will probably try to lynch me when I say this.”

“If you fight science, you are going to lose your children, and I believe in telling them the way it was,” Robertson concluded.

Forty-six percent of Americans believe that God created humans in their present form at one point within the past 10,000 years, according to a survey released by Gallup in June. That number has remained unchanged for the past 30 years, since 1982, when Gallup first asked the question on creationism versus evolution.

The Gallup poll has not specifically asked about views on the age of the Earth.

Ussher’s work, from the mid-1600s, is widely cited by creationists as evidence that Earth is only a few thousand years old. Answer in Genesis, the famed Christian creationist ministry behind the Creation Museum in Petersburg, Kentucky, cites Ussher as proof of Earth’s age. They describe the archbishop as “a brilliant scholar who had very good reasons for his conclusions concerning the date of creation.”

For Christians who read the creation account in Genesis literally, the six days in the account are strictly 24-hour periods and leave no room for evolution. Young Earth creationists use this construct and biblical genealogies to determine the age of the Earth, and typically come up with 6,000 to 10,000 years.

Most scientists, however, agree that the Earth is 4.5 billion years old and the universe is 14.5 billion years old.

The idea of creationism has been scorned by the mainstream scientific community since shortly after Charles Darwin introduced "The Origin of Species" in 1859. By 1880, The American Naturalists, a science journal, reported nearly every major university in America was teaching evolution.

The question about Earth’s age has been in the news recently. Earlier this month, Republican Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida attempted to walk the line between science and faith-based creationism in remarks that that provoked the ire of liberal blogs and left the door open to creationism.

“I'm not a scientist, man,” Rubio told GQ’s Micheal Hainey. “I can tell you what recorded history says, I can tell you what the Bible says, but I think that's a dispute amongst theologians and I think it has nothing to do with the gross domestic product or economic growth of the United States.”

– CNN’s Eric Marrapodi contributed to this report.

- Dan Merica

Filed under: Christianity • Creationism • Evolution

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  1. Nietodarwin

    I just require that you keep your ignorance to yourself, and don't get anywhere near children. You were brainwashed as a child, and can't break free. Just as with other harmful things that happen to children, the adult perpetrators were subjected to the same as children. "Why do the non-believers require that Christiians know the answers to everything" That is right up there with the all time most ignorant comments I've ever read from ANY "beleiver" "thumper" (whatever you call yourself." When I die, I will decompose, like every other mammal and living thing that ever existed. I will live on, because I will be worm food, (unless I'm cremated and move straight to entropy) Entropy means..........(.oh sorry, I don't require the answer to everything.)

    December 11, 2012 at 10:03 pm |
  2. Jerry Karschner

    Why do the non-believers require that Christiians know the answers to everything. The plan of salvation (from GOD) does not require that I know the exact age of Earth; also science is constantly finding that their findings are wrong in the light of new information. It is amazing that science can say the planet is 14 Billion years old because of some test of theory.
    Who do you call on when your life is in serious danger and no human has any solution. Science does not help in those situations.Most people want God's attention then and beg for his help

    December 11, 2012 at 1:56 pm |
    • Primewonk

      Jerry, why do peeople who choose to be ignorant about science come onto these message boards and demonstrate that ignorance for all to see?

      Who in the world told you that science believes the earth is 14 billion years old? You also show that you don't even understand the scientific definition of theory.

      The worst part is that you fundiots are actually proud of your ignorance, and wear it as a badge of honor.

      December 12, 2012 at 8:16 am |
  3. Smeagel4T

    Pat forgot the standard evangelical response to such questions - "The lord works in strange and mysterious ways." It's such a great catch-all to use when the illogic of religion is pointed out.

    December 11, 2012 at 1:01 pm |
  4. Mick

    Creationism...a concept so nutty that Pat Robertson is the voice of reason on the subject.

    December 11, 2012 at 11:23 am |
  5. Stephen C.

    Who has more to lose? Christians who have stored up treasaures in Heaven? This world shall pass and all will know the Glory of the Lord.

    The bible says to be wary of False Prophets who preach and cast out demons in His name.

    December 10, 2012 at 4:04 pm |
    • Primewonk

      So unless you believe in a literal young universe, you can't be a "real" Christian?

      December 11, 2012 at 8:39 am |
  6. Observer

    Wake up people,

    Amen. It seems that far too often it's hypocritical Christians that are only preaching the Golden Rule and it's the nonbelievers that follow it.

    December 8, 2012 at 4:18 pm |
    • was blind, but now I see

      Oh yea. Totally. Fer sure dehr eyh?

      December 8, 2012 at 9:33 pm |
  7. The Courts

    Aug. 30, 2012: The genome of a recently discovered branch of extinct humans known as the Denisovans that once interbred with us has been sequenced
    Anyone find fossils of Adam and Eve yet ?

    December 8, 2012 at 3:55 pm |
    • Nietodarwin

      Great anthropologist on Colbert said there used to be 4 or 5 species of humans. I think the book was called "Soul Survivor" or "Lone Survivor. This Pat Robertson story gives SOME hope. Maybe these "Talibangelicals" will quit harming the test scores of our students. Many believers on here did not read the part where Pat Robertson said, “If you fight science, you are going to lose your children, and I believe in telling them the way it was,”

      December 11, 2012 at 10:11 pm |
  8. Wake up people

    Human beings are the only creature on earth to claim a God, yet behave like they haven't got one.

    December 7, 2012 at 2:23 pm |
    • Malak

      If you get a chance, check out The Daily Show's take on Pat Robertson's vaotcian from sanity. Jon Stewart superbly sums up the three tactics the religious right are using to deal with this debacle, and does give Robertson the benefit of the doubt since he did say assassinate as a verb and not a noun, so he didn't really mean it. :-) It's linked from the homepage of Comedy Central as we speak ( Pat Sounds ).

      December 13, 2012 at 3:29 am |
  9. dugee

    So... 46% of americans are apparently not descended from monkeys.I bet monkeys everywhere are relieved to hear that! Hopefully some day their children will attain monkey status.

    December 6, 2012 at 4:07 pm |
    • Primewonk

      Why is itt that people who purposefully choose to be ignorant about science come onto internet message boards and demonstrate that ignorance for all to see?

      Humans did not descend from monkeys. We share a common ancestor with monkeys dating back about 20 million years. Humans are great apes – no tails. We share a much more recent common ancestor with chimps – dating back about 5 million years.

      Kids in Junior High learn this. Perhaps you could explain to us why you are ignorant about this?

      December 7, 2012 at 9:24 am |
  10. Wake up people

    One other thing, the "a" in atheism means without, not against, belief in God.

    December 6, 2012 at 1:18 pm |
  11. Wake up people

    By the way, the fastest-growing religious status is "none"

    December 6, 2012 at 1:13 pm |
  12. Wake up people

    Read the bible with an open mind from start to finish and you will see that some of the stories can't be true. I was raised Christain but when I became old enough to do my own thinking I realized a lot of it can't be true. Parts of the bible have some great ways to live by and some sinister ways. I believe that no one truly knows exactly the what, whys, when and where. Live a fair and just life and you'll be fine. The golden rule is a great rule to live by also. Just think if everyone lived by that rule.

    December 6, 2012 at 9:19 am |
    • lol??

      Well, that was a waste of time for ya, dude.

      December 6, 2012 at 12:22 pm |
    • was blind, but now I see

      Ok, I'll bite. Please share some of your obviously untrue stories with us won't you please?

      December 8, 2012 at 9:32 pm |
    • What stories?

      Okay, I'll bite as well.

      How about Noah's ark? The idea that Noah gathered two of all species of animals, loaded them all on a boat, and rode out the worst flood the earth has ever seen. How about that one?

      OR

      Even better, Jonah and the whale. The idea that someone could live inside of a whale. And well, you might say, the bible never says whale–it says "big fish". Oh, so it was a big fish, nevermind the whale part it must be true.

      OR

      The virgin birth. The idea that a LIVING, BREATHING HUMAN BEING can be born through immaculate conception–now that's a story I can believe.

      Get real people.

      December 10, 2012 at 12:48 pm |
    • Snicks

      The Golden Rule is already out-dated. Don't do unto others as you would have them do to you. Do unto others as THEY would have you do onto them. Different people have different expectations. We can't assume what is right for ourselves is universal.

      Call this the Platinum Rule.

      December 11, 2012 at 2:48 pm |
  13. chris parker

    Crouching Dragon, Hidden Dinosaurs-How Evolutionary Science Hides Historical Man and Dinosaur Interaction in Plain Sight

    http://s8int.com/WordPress/2011/12/13/crouching-dragon-hidden-dinosaurs-how-evolutionary-science-hides-historical-man-and-dinosaur-interaction-in-plain-sight/

    December 5, 2012 at 2:28 am |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      Question: Why are there no Young Earth Creatonist that are not religios?

      Answer: Because in order to believe Young Earth Creation you have to have a religious agenda.

      December 5, 2012 at 2:22 pm |
    • three

      pat robertson is not a christian... he is a fake.. if you take the words of Christ you will find how far from Christ his ideas and timelines are from pats'! pat is an oppresionists in Christian cloting... the ancient egyptians wheret the fathers of the trinity and it predates 10,000 years... there is no love or forgiveness in pats life ,politics or ideas. guys like him are dying off so we as humans can fins way of accepting and working together...creation and its organised begining is still beyond our limited calculations!
      ~3

      December 5, 2012 at 3:38 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      three,

      look up "no true scotsman" fallacy.

      December 5, 2012 at 9:34 pm |
    • End Religion

      every nut so proud of his WP blog...

      December 6, 2012 at 3:10 am |
    • ME II

      @chris parker,
      "As more and more of these giant, mysterious creatures science called dinosaurs were discovered there was a chance that they could have been associated with the dragons of “recorded history” but instead were placed by science by use of the geologic column to an age millions of years ago." – your article

      If by "use of the geologic column," you mean the sciences of Geology and Archaeology date the fossils to "millions of years ago", then you are correct.

      December 6, 2012 at 12:33 pm |
  14. susan

    Proof of God?
    http://www.urantia.org

    December 4, 2012 at 11:06 am |
    • 0G-No gods, ghosts, goblins or ghouls

      Quickly scanned the foreword and a coupe of chapters. Didn't see any proof for any god. How does this version of religious bullsh!t differ from the others?

      December 4, 2012 at 11:21 am |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      Our definitions of "proof" are vastly different.

      December 4, 2012 at 11:34 am |
    • Huebert

      I haven't heard of this flavor of crazy before.

      December 4, 2012 at 11:43 am |
    • susan

      It takes effort to realize anything of importance, including scientific discovery. Why would it be any different to realize a spiritual dimension? You can call it crazy. You can quickly scan and make a preliminary judgement which would embarrass any normal scientist in a research project. My job is done here. I have provided you with a link to the noblest concept of reality available on this planet at this time, a philosophy that is not only logical but commensurate with modern discovery.

      December 4, 2012 at 2:44 pm |
    • Bring'em Young

      incorrect.
      The premises are flawed, so the resulting conclusions are meaningless.

      December 4, 2012 at 2:46 pm |
    • Primewonk

      Susan wrote, " I have provided you with a link to the noblest concept of reality available on this planet at this time, a philosophy that is not only logical but commensurate with modern discovery."

      No you didn't. You posted a link to another fucking ignorant fundiot nutter site. Why don't you nutters ever post in real science journals.

      December 4, 2012 at 3:01 pm |
    • susan

      There are nuclear physicists who believe it, and they would make hash out of all of you BTW. I'm not quoting names – you can figure it out for yourselves. There are two groups of humans on this planet – 1) those who choose to transcend base existence, and 2) those who do not & who are reckoned with the animals of the realm. If you choose to end up like a dog buried in somebody's back yard, with whatever personality and brainpower you had wasted and forgotten – go for it.

      December 4, 2012 at 3:35 pm |
    • Primewonk

      If there are actual nuclear physicists from accredited programs who believe the bullshit in your link, post their namess.

      Otherwise, you're just another lying sack of shit nutter.

      December 4, 2012 at 3:48 pm |
    • ME II

      "[Indited by an Orvonton Divine Counselor, Chief of the Corps of Superuniverse Personalities assigned to portray on Urantia the truth concerning the Paradise Deities and the universe of universes.]"

      Well, who can argue with that?!?!

      December 4, 2012 at 4:03 pm |
    • Nik Hel

      This thread is awesome.

      December 4, 2012 at 5:23 pm |
    • susan

      I doubt they would admit it to anyone on the outside – any more than certain other high-profile individuals would.

      December 4, 2012 at 5:27 pm |
    • lol??

      "Mat 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes."

      December 4, 2012 at 5:56 pm |
    • was blind, but now I see

      @Primewonk; "Why don't you nutters ever post in real science journals."

      Know of any?

      December 4, 2012 at 8:17 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      "Why would it be any different to realize a spiritual dimension?"

      Susan,

      Because a spiritual demension has never been shown to exist, only asserted.

      December 4, 2012 at 10:13 pm |
    • Athy

      Geez, Susan. Are you aware of the origins of your "proof" of god? It's nothing but science fiction. Admittedly imaginative, but entirely fictional. Is this really what you want to go with? All you're doing is supporting atheism!

      December 4, 2012 at 10:20 pm |
    • Athy

      And for that I'm thankful!

      December 4, 2012 at 10:47 pm |
    • susan

      Yes, this is what I'm going with... and I'm comfortable standing in my shoes.
      However, if atheism is your choice, it's your choice, not mine – take some ownership.

      December 5, 2012 at 11:17 am |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      Sussan,

      You started this by claiming proof of god, I went our there and checked the website you listed as well as other places since I had never heard of Urantia. I saw nothing to was anywhere near proof. Take some ownership.

      December 5, 2012 at 11:28 am |
    • susan

      I hold the record for reading that book in two weeks... your opinion isn't valid if you didn't thoroughly investigate my claim.
      If you try to break my record – good luck... I suspect you still won't believe in God after, just like you can't hear the high frequencies dogs can hear.

      December 5, 2012 at 12:36 pm |
    • Redhead

      This is worse than The Celestine Prophecy from 1993. It is FICTION!

      December 5, 2012 at 2:12 pm |
    • susan

      No... it's the other way around... Roddenberry believed and made a few bucks off of the idea while he was at it. Life is stranger than art. Trust me, Roddenberry was a drop in the bucket of influential people who believe this philosophy. Knowledge is power.

      December 5, 2012 at 2:41 pm |
    • Athy

      Wow, unbelievable, just unbelievable. How can anyone think like that? Susan, you need a good dose of reality. Unfortunately, you can't just go buy it at your corner drug store. It has to come from within.

      December 5, 2012 at 5:04 pm |
    • susan

      Please that book lays open with post-it notes all over it in the oval office for the past 5 terms – you'd better hope I'm not crazy.

      December 5, 2012 at 6:36 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      Susan,

      I don't need to to an in depth study of Astrology to know its clims are bunk.

      December 5, 2012 at 9:36 pm |
    • End Religion

      lol, folks, susan doesn't believe this stuff. She's the shill. Probably making a few bucks promoting the garbage and using the generic scam religion claims.

      December 6, 2012 at 3:05 am |
    • susan

      If any of you start noticing the number 1111 popping up in odd places – think about what I said.
      God doesn't want to lose even one of you.

      December 6, 2012 at 10:08 am |
    • Primewonk

      Susan wrote, " If any of you start noticing the number 1111 popping up in odd places – "

      HOLY CRAP guys, she's right!!! just before I read her post, I went to take a dump. As I wiped, the Klingon's circling my anus marked out llll on the toilet paper!

      December 6, 2012 at 10:20 am |
    • ME II

      @susan
      "Proof of God?"

      To answer your question, no, that's not proof of God.

      December 6, 2012 at 1:51 pm |
    • susan

      Too funny... cracking me up...since laughter is good for the soul – we'll leave it on that good note until we find something else fun to talk about...

      December 7, 2012 at 8:53 pm |
  15. Reality

    DNA testing shows the human evolutionary time line. Mr. Robertson et al, determine your own evolution for $199 and a DNA swab:

    As per National Geographic's Genographic project:
    https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/

    "Included in the markers we will test for is a subset that scientists have recently determined to be from our hominin cousins, Neanderthals and the newly discovered Denisovans, who split from our lineage around 500,000 years ago. As modern humans were first migrating out of Africa more than 60,000 years ago, Neanderthals and Denisovans were still alive and well in Eurasia. It seems that our ancestors met, leaving a small genetic trace of these ancient relatives in our DNA. With Geno 2.0, you will learn if you have any Neanderthal or Denisovan DNA in your genome."

    December 4, 2012 at 12:58 am |
    • The Court

      Agrees. the DNA trumps it ALL. What side are we from? Take the test !!! Easy to DO.

      December 4, 2012 at 6:20 pm |
    • was blind, but now I see

      Hmmm.... he (mankind) too (also) has become flesh??????

      Gen 6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

      Gen 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

      Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also [is] flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

      Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare [children] to them, the same [became] mighty men which [were] of old, men of renown.

      Gen 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man [was] great in the earth, and [that] every imagination of the thoughts of his heart [was] only evil continually.

      Gen 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

      December 4, 2012 at 8:33 pm |
    • Moby Schtick.

      lol, was blind is boring while he fails to make any points.

      December 4, 2012 at 8:35 pm |
    • was blind, but now I see

      Sorry, it's over your head, Moby. You can still play with the kiddies here. It's ok.

      December 4, 2012 at 8:39 pm |
    • In Santa we trust

      was blind. Where did those other people come from after Adam and Eve. Who married Cain and Abel?

      December 4, 2012 at 11:01 pm |
    • fintastic

      @blind and still blind;

      Harry Potter;

      "It was, he thought, the difference between being dragged into the arena to face a battle to the death and walking into the arena with your head held high. Some people, perhaps, would say that there was little to choose between the two ways, but Dumbledore knew – and so do I, thought Harry, with a rush of fierce pride, and so did my parents – that there was all the difference in the world."

      See? I can post quotes from fantasy books too...

      December 6, 2012 at 12:02 pm |
  16. lionlylamb

    Here you go Mr. Robertson!

    Psa 90:4 For a thousand years in thy sight [are but] as yesterday when it is past, and [as] a watch in the night.

    2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day [is] with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

    December 4, 2012 at 12:24 am |
    • ZeusDeusMaximus

      Hey goobs dumbest dreamer, read the post above your post and shut the f uck up....

      December 4, 2012 at 1:32 pm |
    • Redhead

      Your posts mention nothing of a god! You do not assert your beliefs and your writing is the mark of a mentally ill patient!! You cannot even speak your gods name on your own website! You need mental help! Go see a PCP Or contact your local behavioral health dept.

      December 4, 2012 at 3:26 pm |
  17. The folks over at the 700 Club are trying to reign Pat in before he goes totally sane

    December 3, 2012 at 11:39 pm |
  18. Redhead

    Wow. I just had two brain cells die thanks to Lionly(whateverthehecks) post.
    The problem with religion is that before there was (science) to explain questions such as:
    1. Why does the earth moves around the sun? 2. What keeps your feet on the ground? 3. Why do deciduous trees stay green only in the summer and evergreens are green all year long?
    People thought that gods, a god, or other beings created our world because they could not logically explain why the big orb in the sky was warm!
    Now science refutes the lies told by our (soothsayers, religions, and mystics). Our previous generations had no way of having enough knowledge to know the truth, write it down, explain it, or teach it. As our people have become more knowledgeable our need for religious ideas are no longer needed.
    Why does the planet move around the sun? As the cloud that became our solar system collapsed inward, the mass settled into a spinning disc with a big bump in the middle (the Sun), and that disk began collapsing even more to form the planets. This process is called accretion, and you can see it at work over and over again in real life as we currently can watch other new (planetary systems) forming in our own galaxy with a large thing called a telescope. One of the best and most far reaching is thee Hubble Space Telescope.
    Why do your feet stay on the ground? Gravity is a force pulling together all matter (which is anything you can physically touch). The more matter, the more gravity, so things that have a lot of matter such as planets and moons and stars pull more strongly.
    Mass is how we measure the amount of matter in something. The more massive something is, the more of a gravitational pull it exerts. As we walk on the surface of the Earth, it pulls on us, and we pull back. But since the Earth is so much more massive than we are, the pull from us is not strong enough to move the Earth, while the pull from the Earth can make us fall flat on our faces.
    In addition to depending on the amount of mass, gravity also depends on how far you are from something. This is why we are stuck to the surface of the Earth instead of being pulled off into the Sun, which has many more times the gravity of the Earth.
    3. Why do deciduous trees stay green only in the summer and coniferous (evergreens) are green all year long?
    Deciduous plants lose their leaves for part of the year. In colder lands, leaf loss coincides with winter. In warmer lands, such as tropical, subtropical and arid lands, deciduous plants may lose their leaves during dry seasons or during times when there are changes in rainfall.

    Coniferous plants keep their leaves year round. Most plants in tropical rain forests keep their leaves all year, gradually replacing them as they fall with age. Fewer plants are green year-round in cooler climates, but conifers are dominant when the climate becomes too cold for broad-leafed plants.

    Whereas deciduous plants lose their leaves as an adaptation to cold or dry seasons, coniferous plants keep their leaves year round as an adaptation to low nutrient levels (so that they don't have to expend nutrients in the creation of new leaves).

    For other answers to your questions you can go to sites like: http://www.askamathematician.com, your local library, etc...

    For All Religious Promoters who wish to stand in opposition to the facts:

    You have every right as a free citizen in America to believe in devils, witchcraft, religion, pixies, unicorns, fairies, hell, and well etc....

    But your religious ideas no longer stand up to the knowledge and contradictory information provided by current scientific FACTS! Imaginations made up by a less (scientific) time than our current time are running short on believability. Whether you remain in the dark ages of knowledge and truth and you die a god fearing and loving believer, in years to come, will make no difference in the arithmetic and scientific fields of current or future study. Ever!

    Religion is a chosen illness, that is taught by parents and in due course enslaves their children. – Robin Swaneck

    December 3, 2012 at 11:24 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      Redhead,

      You write about things to deduce a sense of ungodliness of godlessness ideologies. You seen concerned over physical conditionings that seem to give you a conjured anomaly of prideful reasoning. Can you Redhead fathom the moorings of absolute nothingness wherefrom all material meanderings are held submissively in the absolute body of nothingness itself? Do you Redhead know just exactly how far and wide and high and low absolute nothingness truly is? Can your mind even grasp the potential being of such absolute nothingness compared with the atomic clusters of the celestial abyss of the cosmos?

      December 3, 2012 at 11:50 pm |
    • Redhead

      lionlylamb

      Redhead,

      You may call me Mrs. Swaneck...

      You write about things to deduce a sense of ungodliness of godlessness ideologies.

      Yes.
      Thank you for stating the obvious, I am an unapologetic Athiest. I have studied judeo-christian religion since birth. My close family has either been a preacher, missionary or devout christian for over 170 years as known in family history as well as the numerous churches and organs built. from Virginia to the East Mtns of Tennessee. During mid-teens – 2004 I studied all religions to make a definitive choice of which god I would or would not choose. I chose after more than 15 years of study that I believed in none of them. How many religions do you believe or not believe and how many have you studied not only by reading (scripture) written well past 60 years after the supposed death of a god?

      You seen (Spelling Correction: seem )concerned over physical conditionings (Conditions of the physical body, planet, mathematical, or scientific proven information) that seem to give you a conjured (to conjure is to: Make (something) appear unexpectedly or seemingly from nowhere as if by magic.) anomaly of prideful reasoning.

      I am very concerned about the present mental health and harm brought by backward beliefs to smother science and education of our future generations. I am proud of my studies, accomplishments, charity work, ability to make floral arrangements, good relations with family, etc... (Just as it seems you are proud of your religion illiteracy and (oh big word hun, pull out your dictionary or google page) ineffectual way of communication. Although I find your belief in (nothingness) as you call it a conundrum with a specific belief in a religion because you have not mentioned a god or belief in a specific one to accredit your construct... Do you understand?

      Can you Redhead fathom the moorings (I am not securing any vessels at the time, although I am sure my uncles fishing boat is pulled up on the beach) of absolute nothingness (yes, I am currently studying dark matter but that is not nothingness) where from all material meanderings (to meander is to be in a constant change of path (like religions) currently are, I am not religious and I do not meander as I see it as a waste of time when traveling from one place to the next.) are held submissively in the absolute body of nothingness itself?

      I'm sorry but from that point your sentence and meaning has lost its origin, I cannot be in your mind trying to find out what you mean within the meandering ways you currently ascribe to when using the English Language

      Do you Redhead know just exactly how far and wide and high and low absolute nothingness truly is?

      Again, I cannot respond to a sentence that is for lack of a better term – nothing or nonsense

      Can your mind even grasp the potential being of such absolute nothingness compared with the atomic clusters of the celestial abyss of the cosmos?

      If you are asking a real question then please do so in plain English so I can properly respond. If you continue to use such poor English and grasp of your own religious beliefs by actually stating them plainly then I will not oblige further comment since I do not understand you.
      If my preacher grandfather had heard you he would have probably recomended lessons in how to articulate your religious doctrine and how to prove or disprove a point based on your current beliefs. Since you have not said what that is yet, nor have you seemed to in any of your past comments (that I have read) I do not believe I am speaking to a believer of a god or gods. I feel I may be speaking to someone who is mentally ill or handicapped. Do you suffer from delusions, voices in your head, depression, seeing things that do not exist?

      December 4, 2012 at 12:44 am |
  19. donner

    All real Christians know the earth is only 67 years old.

    December 3, 2012 at 10:41 pm |
  20. lionlylamb

    Just exactly how far is the length, height, depths, breadths and widths of Nothingness? Where does nothingness so end and something therefore declaratively truly begin? Is it too much to say that, "The Nothingness Seas of outward regions are spatially immature regions where stellar constellations are forever being formed, raised and developed in randomized particulates in concentrated organizations of the atoms' cosmos. It is furthermore a contention that these Seas of Nothingness became as rivers, lakes and creeks within or inside all concentrated organizations of said atomic matter." Are you still with me?

    We or for that matter, all of "celestialized" life is merely conglomerate clusters of cellular organizations of inner cosmological rifts of atomic matter being held together by an order of conjunctive reasoned abilities far beyond one's mental complexities' aspirations! It seems as if Nothingness itself may well be holding together all mannerisms of life that we know of! At least that's my understanding regarding a Nothingness that goes way beyond all celestial things held by Nothingness and Nothingness does traverse ever inwards to hold together all atoms. Is such wordage plausible?

    December 3, 2012 at 9:07 pm

    hawaiiguest

    @lionly

    1) Define nothingness
    2) Using words not in common vernacular as often as you do has only one of two purposes: a) To attempt and confuse people into agreeing with you; b) Self-gratification in a perceived superiority in vocabulary.

    December 3, 2012 at 9:12 pm

    lionlylamb

    We are all born upon sinfulness natures. We breathed our first breath and did so commit sin. We drank our first milk and did so siin. We ate of our first food and likewise did sin. Only the Holy Spirit is found to be sinless. For the Holy Spirit is the Absolution of Nothingness and does hold together everything in its bosom. Without Nothingness there would not be the stars up above! Without Nothingness hemming together all of the celestial pageantries' clusters of galaxies in nebulas forming solar systems, Life as we know would never have been able to be and therefore become. Nothingness is a great emptiness yet this emptiness does so love its creations allness! Our true God of all creation and creations manifestations is the Holy Spirit of Absolutely Nothing!

    December 3, 2012 at 9:26 pm

    hawaiiguest

    @lionly

    What a lovely pseudo-intellectual, self-serving way to not answer anything in my post. Why do you feel the need to troll around here saying absolutely nothing of worth?

    December 3, 2012 at 9:35 pm

    lionlylamb

    hawaiiguest,

    My written word is far different than the word I speak. When I write, I let the words flow thru me and do seldom take much thought as to what I write out. I am not constrained by rhythmic nuances of a beguiling education that stiffens and does harden one's flow of the word. It is a shame that many folks are so hammered by their hard long fought ways of an education and they cannot hardly let or wantonly allow their own instincts to give rise to propel their written ideas without civil contentions wiggling upon their minded ways. I do so thoroughly enjoy writing nowadays and even though I did not enjoy English studies during my youth-filled days, I find solace in that which I now do write upon.

    December 3, 2012 at 9:47 pm

    hawaiiguest

    @lionly

    And I think you're lying. To write in a poetic manner like that is not natural, especially if the person does not talk that way. You are purposefully writing in that style in order to try and confuse people, while simultaneously thinking you sound smart in deep. News flash, you don't sound deep, you sound like a condescending poetry nut with a superiority complex.

    December 3, 2012 at 9:56 pm

    lionlylamb

    hawaiiguest,

    I thought I defined my views of Nothingness fairly well although brief in my yearning to expound it. :-(

    Nothingness
    1.) The Holy Spirit
    2.) The great Seas that holds all things in its bosom
    3.) The meandering rivers and creeks ever flowing inward from the Seas of its abundance measure.

    December 3, 2012 at 10:02 pm

    Moby Schtick

    ll, i think it's high time you acknowledge the criticism you receive here. It will do you good to adjust as you are able.

    December 3, 2012 at 10:16 pm

    Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

    "News flash, you don't sound deep, you sound like a condescending poetry nut with a superiority complex."

    And that's a nice way to phrase it.

    December 3, 2012 at 10:17 pm

    Grammar cop

    I'd let you off with a warning, LL, if you could explain what a "deeded word" was. Can you?

    December 3, 2012 at 10:20 pm

    lionlylamb

    Moby Schtick,

    And just what form of criticism should I be so obliged to?

    December 3, 2012 at 10:21 pm

    Damocles

    Isn't a deeded word one that you have bought or are making payments on?

    December 3, 2012 at 10:23 pm

    Grammar cop

    Do you need to have someone draw you a map and lend you a flashlight to find your own ass?

    December 3, 2012 at 10:24 pm |

    Moby Schtick

    the form you are receiving, ll.

    December 3, 2012 at 10:25 pm

    lionlylamb

    High are the cronies ever to gather wherever the lights of reason does shine out. The lusts of the beguiled do ever make embers from which falls their scorn and ill wills. The naysayers and the leery-eyed peasants of pompous proclivities will always surround the cupboard lain bare!

    December 3, 2012 at 10:28 pm

    December 3, 2012 at 10:38 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Just exactly how far is the length, height, depths, breadths and widths of Nothingness? Where does nothingness so end and something therefore declaratively truly begin? Is it too much to say that, "The Nothingness Seas of outward regions are spatially immature regions where stellar constellations are forever being formed, raised and developed in randomized particulates in concentrated organizations of the atoms' cosmos. It is furthermore a contention that these Seas of Nothingness became as rivers, lakes and creeks within or inside all concentrated organizations of said atomic matter." Are you still with me?

      We or for that matter, all of "celestialized" life is merely conglomerate clusters of cellular organizations of inner cosmological rifts of atomic matter being held together by an order of conjunctive reasoned abilities far beyond one's mental complexities' aspirations! It seems as if Nothingness itself may well be holding together all mannerisms of life that we know of! At least that's my understanding regarding a Nothingness that goes way beyond all celestial things held by Nothingness and Nothingness does traverse ever inwards to hold together all atoms. Is such wordage plausible?

      December 3, 2012 at 9:07 pm

      hawaiiguest

      @lionly

      1) Define nothingness
      2) Using words not in common vernacular as often as you do has only one of two purposes: a) To attempt and confuse people into agreeing with you; b) Self-gratification in a perceived superiority in vocabulary.

      December 3, 2012 at 9:12 pm

      lionlylamb

      We are all born upon sinfulness natures. We breathed our first breath and did so commit sin. We drank our first milk and did so siin. We ate of our first food and likewise did sin. Only the Holy Spirit is found to be sinless. For the Holy Spirit is the Absolution of Nothingness and does hold together everything in its bosom. Without Nothingness there would not be the stars up above! Without Nothingness hemming together all of the celestial pageantries' clusters of galaxies in nebulas forming solar systems, Life as we know would never have been able to be and therefore become. Nothingness is a great emptiness yet this emptiness does so love its creations allness! Our true God of all creation and creations manifestations is the Holy Spirit of Absolutely Nothing!

      December 3, 2012 at 9:26 pm

      hawaiiguest

      @lionly

      What a lovely pseudo-intellectual, self-serving way to not answer anything in my post. Why do you feel the need to troll around here saying absolutely nothing of worth?

      December 3, 2012 at 9:35 pm

      lionlylamb

      hawaiiguest,

      My written word is far different than the word I speak. When I write, I let the words flow thru me and do seldom take much thought as to what I write out. I am not constrained by rhythmic nuances of a beguiling education that stiffens and does harden one's flow of the word. It is a shame that many folks are so hammered by their hard long fought ways of an education and they cannot hardly let or wantonly allow their own instincts to give rise to propel their written ideas without civil contentions wiggling upon their minded ways. I do so thoroughly enjoy writing nowadays and even though I did not enjoy English studies during my youth-filled days, I find solace in that which I now do write upon.

      December 3, 2012 at 9:47 pm

      hawaiiguest

      @lionly

      And I think you're lying. To write in a poetic manner like that is not natural, especially if the person does not talk that way. You are purposefully writing in that style in order to try and confuse people, while simultaneously thinking you sound smart in deep. News flash, you don't sound deep, you sound like a condescending poetry nut with a superiority complex.

      December 3, 2012 at 9:56 pm

      lionlylamb

      hawaiiguest,

      I thought I defined my views of Nothingness fairly well although brief in my yearning to expound it.

      Nothingness
      1.) The Holy Spirit
      2.) The great Seas that holds all things in its bosom
      3.) The meandering rivers and creeks ever flowing inward from the Seas of its abundance measure.

      December 3, 2012 at 10:02 pm

      Moby Schtick

      ll, i think it's high time you acknowledge the criticism you receive here. It will do you good to adjust as you are able.

      December 3, 2012 at 10:16 pm

      Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      "News flash, you don't sound deep, you sound like a condescending poetry nut with a superiority complex."

      And that's a nice way to phrase it.

      December 3, 2012 at 10:17 pm

      Grammar cop

      I'd let you off with a warning, LL, if you could explain what a "deeded word" was. Can you?

      December 3, 2012 at 10:20 pm

      lionlylamb

      Moby Schtick,

      And just what form of criticism should I be so obliged to?

      December 3, 2012 at 10:21 pm

      Damocles

      Isn't a deeded word one that you have bought or are making payments on?

      December 3, 2012 at 10:23 pm

      Grammar cop

      Do you need to have someone draw you a map and lend you a flashlight to find your own ass?

      December 3, 2012 at 10:24 pm |

      Moby Schtick

      the form you are receiving, ll.

      December 3, 2012 at 10:25 pm

      lionlylamb

      High are the cronies ever to gather wherever the lights of reason does shine out. The lusts of the beguiled do ever make embers from which falls their scorn and ill wills. The naysayers and the leery-eyed peasants of pompous proclivities will always surround the cupboard lain bare!

      --

      Gee, look! I can copy and paste, too.

      I guess I'm just super-talented. Like LL.

      December 3, 2012 at 10:44 pm |
    • Believer

      Lionlylamb, I have a real question for you. Is the Nothingness you mention from the human perspective of things we cannot see of God? I would describe God as all powerful, all knowing, and ever present., yet we do not see him, but evidence of God is everywhere.

      December 4, 2012 at 12:32 am |
    • Athy

      Believer: Give us one, just one, convincing piece of evidence for god. Just one, that's all I want.

      December 4, 2012 at 1:23 am |
    • 0G-No gods, ghosts, goblins or ghouls

      Believer, not to put too fine a point on it, you, nor any other believer, has fuck all as evidence of your cult's god, nor any other. Zip, nada, nothing! You are mentally ill (delusional), a liar or both. Your beliefs are no better than the slightly crazy astrologers' mining the edges of Las Vegas casinos, which is where religious charlatans belong. But go ahead, prove me wrong.

      December 4, 2012 at 2:06 am |
    • ZeusDeusMaximus

      What the h ell? You are arguing about "nothingness" as a proof of some kind? A proof of ignorance in atheists or something? How straw-man of you. You're like the Faux News network- state something absurd, illogical and maybe unarguable, and then get all huffy about the reaction to your spiel as though the REACTION was the news.

      NO! Your spuming fumarole of inanity is the news!

      What's the height of nothingness? Measure the contents of your skull and you'll have a concrete answer...friggin moron!

      And btw, you are the one I am talking to when I say DISPROVE THE EXISTENCE OF ZEUS!!! Still waiting...you evil purveyor of fact-as-fiction child abuse...

      December 4, 2012 at 1:40 pm |
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