By Dan Merica, CNN
(CNN) – It may not sound very powerful, but gay rights activist Debra Peevey said that a two-inch green button played a major role in convincing voters to legalize gay marriage this month in her home state of Washington.
“Another Person of Faith Approves R. 74,” said the button, which refers to the ballot initiative that wound up legalizing gay marriage in Washington.
As faith director for the statewide pro-gay marriage campaign, Washington United for Marriage, Peevey and her team distributed 5,000 of the buttons. They were conversation starters, she said, ways of letting people know they could relate to one another on the intimate level of religion. And that being religious didn’t meant you had to oppose gay marriage.
“We had people clamoring for the buttons,” Peevey said. “People of faith all over the state wore them. It amplified that perspective that people of faith do, in fact, support marriage equality.”
This year, voters in Washington State were joined by those in Maryland, Maine and Minnesota in handing big victories to the gay rights movement. In the first three states, voters legalized gay marriage. In Minnesota, they rejected a measure that would have banned same-sex marriage.
After watching dozens of states adopt gay marriage bans in recent years, gay rights activists hope this month’s victories mark a national turning point. And to help push other states to follow suit, they are holding up efforts like Peevey’s as a blueprint for how to successfully incorporate faith into future gay rights campaigns.
Some same-sex marriage proponents think their fight may move to Colorado, Illinois, New Jersey, Rhode Island, Oregon or some combination of those states. Wherever the effort goes, gay rights activists say, faith will be a part of the mix.
“Faith became part of the solution and not just the problem in all four states” where gay marriage was on the ballot this year, said Sharon Groves, director of the religion and faith program at the Human Rights Campaign, a gay rights group. “We will never do a campaign moving forward where engaging people of faith will not be central part of that work.”
‘Be who you are, not something you are not’
For Grant Stevensen, a Lutheran pastor in St. Paul, Minnesota, and the faith director for the campaign opposing a gay marriage ban in the state, engaging faith communities depended on framing the debate the right way.
In past gay rights ballot fights, Stevensen said, the same-sex marriage movement put “a big emphasis on civil rights language and connection to the civil rights movement.” But the messaging didn’t work, he said, with many people rejecting the idea of a link between civil rights for minorities and marriage rights for gays.
Instead, Stevensen and his team used words like “love,” “marriage” and “commitment,” in their messaging about opposing a gay marriage ban, words that he said strike at the heart of Christian beliefs about marriage. “Our goal for the whole campaign was to emphasize those themes and talk specifically about gay people,” he said, “as opposed to making this another civil rights movement.”
Similar campaigns in other states took different approaches.
For instance in Maryland, gay rights activists emphasized outreach to African-American churches and played up civil rights arguments.
In Maine and Washington State, enormous effort went into mobilizing lay Catholics, even if their hierarchy actively opposed the gay marriage campaigns. Stevensen’s Minnesota campaign, meanwhile, targeted the state’s many Lutherans.
“Be who you are, not something you are not,” the pastor said, encouraging other gay rights activists to combat the stereotype that all Christians “are opposed to gay people.”
The right conversation
In past ballot fights, which resulted in gay marriage bans in more than 30 states, forces opposed to same-sex marriage had dominated the faith conversation.
A faithful same-sex marriage supporter was seen as an outlier.
When Ross Murray, director of religion, faith and values at the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (GLAAD), was asked by his bosses to be one of the lead liaisons between the four state-based gay campaigns and the national gay rights organization, he knew more emphasis than ever was going to be put on religion.
Murray advised the campaigns to ask “people to vote the value that they have been taught” and “make sure that you can reach within all religious groups and get those who have passion and have them reach their friends, neighbors and co-congregants.”
That’s what Stevens tried to do in Minnesota: “We were going to either own this conversation about faith and if we can’t own it, no one is going to own it.”
Stevensen and his eight-person faith staff trained 2,500 "conversationalists," religious people who were taught how to have conversations about gay marriage with other people of faith. They were instructed to discuss same-sex marriage in terms of their religious beliefs. The campaign offered similar training sessions to more than 500 clergy.
The two-hour-long training sessions also focused on people telling their own faith stories. If someone had once been opposed to same-sex marriage because of their religious beliefs, they were encouraged to talk about that, too.
More than anything, said Stevensen, the conversationalists were encouraged to listen.
“People have their reasons to think what they do. [We taught how to] draw people out and make sure they are heard,” he said. “All of us like to be listened to.”
The Human Rights Campaign’s Groves said she was impressed by the lengths these campaigns went to reach deep into faith communities. As a veteran of the same-sex marriage fight, Graves was there when the movement struggled with this sort of outreach.
“It makes sense that we would have made some mistakes around that,” Groves said. “LGBT people have been harmed by the church.”
Perhaps the biggest mistake was around the gay marriage ban in California, known as Proposition 8.
Prop 8 mistakes
Debra Peevey was faith-based field organizer in Southern California during the fight against the Proposition 8 ballot initiative in 2008.
One reason she and her fellow gay rights activists lost that campaign was the way the religious conversation played out. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, the Mormons, along with the Roman Catholic Church actively campaigned for Prop 8. That framed the fight as one between secularists and believers.
“There was a resistance in engaging faith community,” Groves said. “We kind of let the religious right define the space for us and that was a real learning that we got from that.”
While religious organizations were pouring in money and manpower, said GLAAD’s Murray, anti-Prop. 8 opponents were apprehensive in reaching out to religious allies and ineffective at building enthusiasm from sympathetic religious communities and leaders.
Both Murray and Groves describe the post-Prop 8 reflection period as a “turning point” for the gay-rights community that gave rise to this year’s intense faith-based organizing.
Now, Peevey said, there’s no going back: “I can’t imagine that we will ever have a LGBT campaign where faith was not a part of the team.”
At pro-same-sex marriage organizations like GLAAD, Murray said conversations are turning to where the next gay marriage fights will happen.
“It is really hard to tell where this is going to come up again,” said Murray, adding that the next attempts to block or legalize gay marriage may happen legislatively in some states, as opposed to via ballot initiative.
He said gay rights groups want to tap into the Lutheran networks in Colorado, Illinois and Oregon early, to ensure that their LGBT outreach is well established by the time any ballot initiative or legislative efforts formally get under way.
By the time that happens, the gay rights community has learned, it may already be too late to frame the faith conversation around gay marriage.
marriage is a legal device, not a religious one.
get married in a church by a priest, preacher, pasture, etc., but without a gov't issued marriage license = not legally married
get married in a courthouse without church approval and without a religious figure present, but with a gov't issued marriage license = legally married
you can add ritual and ceremony to a marriage, but it's not necessary. marriage is a legally binding contract between two people. christians - stop trying to force your archaic belief system on everyone else.
I'm not sure that it is exclusivley a religious topic these days. Your statements are correct about a marriage license, but it is up to states and voters to change that. If I'm not mistaken, it is still not legal in an EXTREMELY liberal California. As a Christian, I have found myself in limbo about this topic recently. I know what the Bible says about the subject, but it is not up to me to say what people can and cannot do. As a veteran, I think that freedom for people to make their own choices is what is most important.
We both dare know that many folks are forgoing and staying the hell away from marriage receipts be they civil or be they religious. to two marriages of three years each were wound up in divorce by the womanly sides desires for dissolution of marriage. I married them both because I was prodded into it by their feminine desires to want the knot to be tied! On both occasions we were quite happy before the marriage knot was sealed. Both times prior to marriage we did live a goodly life together but alas the knots were undone.
My first wife worked at a bar once we were married and she would not arrive home until 5am, three hours after the bar did close! It doesn't take a rocket man to figure out her trumpet was being blown somewhere else by someone other then me! The second wife wouldn't see fit to d o u c h e her privates and believe you me she sure as hell did smell quite fishy! When I confronted her about it, she said I don't need to get down on her anymore! Sheesh! What about sticking my doodler in a smelly old fishy hole? Thusly I did search elsewhere to get my downiness pleasures! Ergo it wasn't too long before my second marriage went up in smoke!
Anyway, I cannot find displeasure for gay people to do together what their both hearts wantonly do desire! I may not like it but what the heck, go for it if it makes you happy! Who am I to get in the way of two adults wanting to tie the proverbial knot of civil unions? Be though warned you of gayness that marriage is no walk in the park as my story does say.
Sorry but I fluffed up again! :-(
We both dare know that many folks are forgoing and staying the hell away from marriage receipts be they civil or be they religious. My two marriages of three years each were wound up in divorce by the womanly sides desires for dissolution of marriage. I married them both because I was prodded into it by their feminine desires to want the knot to be tied! On both occasions we were quite happy before the marriage knot was sealed. Both times prior to marriage we did live a goodly life together but alas the knots were undone.
"The knots were undone." No doubt as to why and no surprise at all.
Can anyone imagine the verbiage that would be necessary for LL to request that his spouse scratch his back? Pour him a beverage? Give him a kiss?
Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son,
What a crappy load of dirt-bag innuendoes! I tell my life story regarding the unpleasant travesties of a hetero relationship gone sour and all the piglet wiggler can do is seek out to ostracize a common man's dealings with not one but two women I yes did marry! You are such a turd wafer of bellicose dichotomies hell-bent to derail any and all who come clean ina public venue regarding their Life! Get your old man to shove his doodler down your throat and I hope you choke on it and die you wretched witch of CNN Belief Blog!
the united states of america guarantees every american citizen the same rights to liberty, equality, and freedom... no matter what religion, color, gender, or s e x u a l orientation they are or are not.
flat fact: there is not one single secular reason to deny same-s e x couples the right to "marry".
people of faith have no right to impose moral ideals onto rest of society that violate the c o n s t i t u t i o n a l rights of other americans.
they are free to worship as they wish, but should never insist that their "divine" way be dictated on to those who believe differently than they do.. or those who have no belief at all. they sure wouldn't like it if it happened to them.
they should instead, enjoy the freedom, liberty, equality, and rights as everyone else – and mind their own phuquing business.
If you don't want to be ridiculed, Cowardly Lion, then don't write drivel and whine about your life.
You're a wimp.
Oh Tom – I missed this – the puss face has bestowed a new title on you. lol.
By the way, yes, I can see puss face's wife serving him a drink and finishing the laundry before he's even finished asking for the damn thing. lol.
Monotheistic self-attributes are what the gestations of ungodly and godless mobs unwittingly portend they themself to be in their clustered hindsight’s vulgarities. They are their own gods so to profess and in their cu-mulative efforts they due themselves to figuratively conjoin and gather their piecemeal subjugates forsaking all godliness proprietaries relatively and loosely based in self-godly characterizations. "I will not give in!" are the ungodly and godless stands even though they tend to belittle and make small their talking spheres of jubilation's subversive acquittals. A pig knows only how to root and make ruts searching the grounds for its nourishments. Are we all not but rooting for our owned servile source codes?
Only for the new members of this blog.
From below, on top, backwards, forwards, from this side of the Moon and from the other side too, ga-y s-exual activity is still mutual mas-turbation caused by one or more complex s-exual differences. Some differences are visually obvious in for example the complex maleness of DeGeneres, Billy Jean King and Rosie O'Donnell.
Yes, heteros-exuals practice many of the same "moves" but there is never a doubt who is the female and who is the male.
As noted, there are basic biological differences in gay unions vs. heterose-xual marriage. Government benefits where approved are the same in both but making the distinction is important for census data and for social responses with respect to potential issues with disease, divorce and family interactions.
For example at http://www.census.gov/dmd/www/pdf/d61a.pdf , there is a check box for "unmarried partner" under Person #2. There of course is also a check box for "husband/wife". One assumes a gay couple could check this latter box but how does one choose which is which for a gay union?
The solution: New census forms should have a check box noting "gay union partner".
Monotheisms do nowadays abound, for many variations of 'mono-isms' are but fetters, the bonds that do bind up and weigh shackled inward, towards errant subjugations upon the propensities of root cause worthiness. The godless need the ungodly and vice versa and although goodly does prevail upon and thru all aberrancy, many are semi-plated placard variables and some are vivacious filtrations while many are merely redundant silhouettes. No one person should be upon another's backsides but raised by the shoulders of one another to such heights as deemed wisely needed and cautiously sublimated. Goodness clemencies knows no physical boundaries yet many do not heed the goodly in others who share unendingly their deeded wordage of uncompromising austerities ever to be made rent and even lent free.
LL: depositing more sh!t than the average bear.
TT Piglet Wiggler,
What's your problem you wretched wicked witch on CNN Belief Blog? No one else to pick upon worthy of snooty and snide innuendoes? Be a lady will you? I forgot! Once a witch always a b ee t c h! Seems to me you spend too damn much time here away from your favored family needs! Or are you searching this blog in order to take vengeance against your mate via someone else? I do so pity those who are unaware of you trashiness views!
F.A.I.T.H. H.O.P.E. C.H.A.R.I.T.Y. P.R.U.D.E.N.C.E. F.O.R.T.IT.U.D.E. M.O.D.E.R.A.T.I.O.N. J.U.S.T.I.C.E
Do you have anything to contribute, or are you merely spamming this comment section?
There seems always to be a turd within the commodes! LinCA, go flush yourself! LOVE has made a wonderful statement! Short, pungent and sweet!
You said, "There seems always to be a turd within the commodes!"
Been looking in the mirror again?
You said, "LOVE has made a wonderful statement! Short, pungent and sweet!"
That may very well be, but posting the same nonsense, unrelated to the articles or the discussion, on 6 different threads is spamming.
So sorry to have ruffled ones feathers I am! I said my points regarding H O M O gluttonous bigots! Need I say more?
No. You need to say less. A lot less.
You said, "There seems always to be a turd within the commodes!"
Been looking in the mirror again?
I now do compose, "My mirrors all have been steamed and cleaned by yours' truly and btw I do flush the occasion bigot down the commode on occasion. and you? Do you need flushing or are you going to levitate a little bit of kindness brevities upon the emotionally challenged and faithfully insecure folks seeking a kind place in which to dawdle away the time atwithout there being bigoted comments skewering their every sentences?
You said, "So sorry to have ruffled ones feathers I am!"
Not to worry. Dimwits like yourself don't "ruffle my feathers".
You said, "I said my points regarding H O M O gluttonous bigots!"
The only bigots on this comment board are the believers that can't seem to comprehend that their delusion doesn't apply to those that are capable of rational thought. It is these degenerates that seem to want others to follow their deranged interpretation of some ancient horror story.
If these believers would keep their infantile beliefs and notions to themselves, society would have a chance to grow up past the dark ages.
You said, "Need I say more?"
What is there that you could say that would make any sense? By all means, try.
You blathered, "I now do compose, ...."
May I suggest a visit to your mental health professional? It seems your medication dosage need to be revised up.
Baited breath of fishiness I do smell! Your synoptic legendries regarding your psychiatric ambivalence needs me to ask, "Do you have a degree in psychiatry that I should be made aware of?" You along with the Piglet Wiggler are some of the most cynical women I have ever had the indecency to be knowing! Do yourself a favor and read some books for all the good it'll do you! Act like a lady and not a tramp why don't you?
I did so write, "So sorry to have ruffled ones feathers I am! I said my points regarding H O M O gluttonous bigots! Need I say more?"
How little are your thoughts beckoning verboseness does your sh!tless comments germinate into a holy roller fallacy! You don't even know which sides of the fence my innuendo is leading towards! Dumb Fvck! Try once again to fabricate unsound thoughts meant to provoke the tawdry and lame for you know not my reasoning abilities nor my used wordage innuendoes!
I just have one and it is in the master bath right over the terlet. My roof is only a few years old too so I am not happy.
Sorry, wrong spot. Pea brain equality.
Marriage is none of the usurpers business, no matter how big they grow the diverse Beast.
333 = 1/2 a beast.
@laughing stock: Marriage as defined for civil purposes (benefits, taxes. etc.) is everyone's business.
LOL, 333 is the number of a really mean hairy guy. Maybe just a little worse than Frank Reardon.
Well, we've got 12.12.12 coming up right around the corner to double our beastly hijinx! Ooooga Boooga!
667 Neighbor of the Beast
My godliness perceptions lay upon my worded pragmatisms. Anyone’s godlessness comes about by ungodliness hammerings of societal bitterness. Forsake you not in ungodly mannerisms for these are your causality in declarative celestially anthropic morphs regarding godlessness and ungodliness. Your crying out against God gives me reasons for God to be and even become and also as once was in the schematic morphologies within cosmologic paradigms’ leavening ways regardless what one does so clamor on being one’s own gods and/or goddesses.
Mr. Lamb you crazy old fuck, did you get MS Word installed? It doesn't seem to be effective.
Got it M-Word installed late yesterday! I am writing a story for the Ages LoL! Not really. I'm using Word to keep base on my posts here and maybe when I burn them on a DVD I'll be able to let my kind doctor see just what I've been doing with my time on belief blog and also at http://www.activeworlds.com!
So then, what have you been doing as of late? I am having my brother replace my van's motor mount! Been bad it has been for about 4 months. It's about time I got around to fixing it. :-)
This isn't speaking in "tongues", do we call it speaking in "ungrammars"? It's awkward, but we'll let the first "sentence??" go.
On to the 2nd. "Anyone’s godlessness comes about by ungodliness hammerings of societal bitterness." This needs to be changed to either " comes about by ungodly hammerings" OR "comes about by hammered ungodliness" WELL, I changed my mind, I'm just TOO LAZY to go over the rest. Very very strange.
Have the vesper pottages of amassed humanisms become complacently illiterate nowadays? Where then do the root-commodities of religious socialisms truly matter and riotous societal materialization made scalar upon the divested spattering of values regarding irrational causations? I do shudder in the crowds' revolting laments, for of crowned sarcasms does lay the tutors of sarcastic indemnifications' coverings leaving no more the fruited generosities of the lividness' racial trees of multi-faceted societal generalists.
AH HA. So you can write like a normal person there Mr. Lamb. Me thinks you should spend some time with the Jabberwocky, (Alice in Wonderland and Through the Looking Glass) read Clockwork Orange, and if you're up to it, (which I really can't handle it's so tiring and freaky)..... Finnegan's Wake. Hasta Revoir vitizen.
Mr. Lamb, I have been doing daddy bidness, fixing the leak in my roof, working and watcing football. Same 'ol same 'ol.
I saw Alicia in Wonderlands on tv and Clockwork Orange in the theater when I was in my teens some 40 plus years ago. I have grown ever so tired of reading other's booked words and I am setting my sights upon my own words to write and for others to so read! I utilize a literal quatrain style in my writing of pleasantly awkward wordage. It really seems to p-off the atheists who have little learned abilities or the ones of a bit more generalist consummations do sometimes get riled and call my artsy wordage usages unobtainable readings too damned hard for to figure out! I just do so love to beguile the hinder gestures of worded capitalists! Most though are but bigoted butt wipes unworthy of my time but, what the hell, it seems to pass time along the narrowing trails of salaciousness don't you think?
lamb, jump to 1:30 and appreciate!
Speaking of leaky roofs, I am crossing my fingers that my brother and I's roof doesn't get any worse! I am prayerful that the powers that be will give us more time to not fix the leaks! (No money honey!) I figure it'll cost about 2 grand to fix all the leaks in our roof! :-(
I just have one and it is in the master bath right over the terlet. My roof is only a few years old too so I am not happy...
I might have to buy Clockwork Orange! Been so damn long ago I did forget its premise!
I feel for you and getting screwed by a roof only a few years old! :-( :-( :-(
Our house was made around the time I was born. 1955! Nearing 58 are the house and I. Talk about two peas in a pod!
I re-watched A Clockwork Orange about 3 months ago (for the 20th time)
I was 17 when I saw Clockwork. That was 40 years ago! My how time flies when one does nothing much worthy to so do! :-) :-( :-)
Mr. Lamb, I was 6 when it came out. I discovered it in college. It has held up perfectly for 41 years. A masterpiece made by a master film maker.
Wonderful soundtrack, that A Clockwork. It rejuvenated my appreciation for Beethoven. And some of the original score by Walter (now Wendy) complimented the Beethoven quite well.
Like I said, I just may sometime buy it and add it to my collection of Harry Potter and about thirty other DVDs I have so far collected! Money is tight these days! :-(
Prayer changes things .
I'm sorry, "Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things", but your assertions regarding atheism and prayer are unfounded. Using my Idiomatic Expression Equivalency module (IEE), the expression that best matches the degree to which your assertions may represent truths is: "TOTAL FAIL".
I see that you repeat these unfounded statements with high frequency. Perhaps the following book can help you:
I'm Told I Have Dementia: What You Can Do... Who You Can Turn to...
"Ronald Regonzo" who degenerates to:
"Salvatore" degenerates to:
"Douglas" degenerates to:
"truth be told" degenerates to:
"Thinker23" degenerates to:
"Atheism is not healthy ..." degenerates to:
"another repentant sinner" degenerates to:
"Dodney Rangerfield" degenerates to:
"tina" degenerates to:
"captain america" degenerates to:
"Atheist Hunter" degenerates to:
"Anybody know how to read? " degenerates to:
"just sayin" degenerates to:
"ImLook'nUp" degenerates to:
"Kindness" degenerates to:
"Chad" degenerates to
"Bob" degenerates to
"nope" degenerates to:
"2357" degenerates to:
"WOW" degenerates to:
"fred" degenerates to:
"!" degenerates to:
"John 3:16" degenerates to:
"pervert alert" is the degenerate.
This troll is not a christian.
Prayer does not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.
An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.
The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs.
I remember being about 6, about the age when you find out Santa is a myth. I remember even at that early age thinking 'well this god thing must be bullspit too, I've never seen him, heard him felt him." I had to become an adult before I finally embraced the fulfilling warmth of full atheism, just because I kept going to church, all the ceremonies, to "keep the peace." Some kids don't come around so fast. Some kids really struggle with BASIC BIOLOGY in high school, and news of Darwin and evolution, THE SUM TOTAL OF MODERN BIOLOGY. I'm thinking of making some little signs that say
" KIDS !!!!! There is NO GOD!!
It's a BIG LIE FROM YOUR PARENTS! I think it would help a lot of kids. The signs will be torn down, and I could get MURDERED BY CHRISTIANS if I get caught, (Islam and Christianity did not survive all this time on merit or truth, MURDER has kept them going strong century after century.) but I figure it's a noble act, a moral, act, "
suffer the little children to NOT BE BRAINWASHED."
Here here. End the child abuse.
I knew very early, and my kids have always know. Refreshing.
Evangelical ardor and odour.
MORE FUN,MORE MUNNY, MORE MORAL.
It ain’t those parts of the Bible that I can’t understand that bother me, it is the parts that I do understand.
“The reason people use a crucifix against vampires is because vampires are allergic to bullspit.”
_ Richard Pryor
How do you know when you're God?" "When I pray to him I find I am talking to myself.”
_ Peter Barnes
Richard Pryer R.I.P.
Do dead guys do all your thinking for you?
Article says gay rights activists are gonna move the fight to Illinois... Wow, are that in the dark. Gay marriage has been legal in Illinois for a bit now.
Richard Pryor R.I.P.
Secular people accept facts. They understand that the world is what it appears to be.
ɥʇnɹʇ lɐǝɹ ǝɥʇ sı "ɔıƃɐɯ" ʎɐs ʎǝɥʇ ˙ƃuoɹʍ sı ʇɐɥʇ ʎɐs ǝldoǝd snoıƃılǝɹ
nope is a dope
JESUS IS bORED, no I'm bored of hearing about him. ATHEISM IS MORE FUN, MORE FUNNY, AND MORE MORAL
“Who knew that the devil had a factory where he made millions of fossils, which his minions distributed throughout the earth, in order to confuse my tiny brain?”
_ Lewis Black, Me of Little Faith
If god created man in his own image, how come I'm not invisible?”
_ David Powers
What do you mean I'm funny? What do you mean, you mean the way I talk? What? Funny how? What's funny about it? You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little fucked up maybe, but I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to fuckin' amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny? You said I'm funny. How the fuck am I funny, what the fuck is so funny about me? Tell me, tell me what's funny!
I adore Lewis Black, espescially when he starts foaming at the mouth...one of that sanest comics out there today.
@ni... and those who do its thinking for it
nope is false
snopes is wrong.
and as always is a dope
I love Lewis Black. He definitely comes through when I need some comic relief.
marriage is for legal rights – it has zero to do with religion. you can add religious ritual to wedding ceremonies, but it's completely unnecessary. want proof?
surround yourself with holy men from every religious denomination, have them all pronounce you married according to their religious practices – but don't include a legal marriage license, guess what? you're not married.
now go down to city hall, don't bring any priests, pastors, preachers, etc. – but fill out your legally binding marriage license. guess what? you ARE married.
so if all you christian h.omophobes should get your nose out of other people's business.
That's right. This DOMA needs to be overturned asap (and I think it will be – the president that signed it thinks it should be overturned). Marriage and advantages to people with a status of "married" are afforded as a civic function in the U.S. and should apply equally to couples regardless of gender (or not afforded at all). Equal civil rights.
I agree completely, Bootyfunk.
My husband and I were married by a judge; why do people have such a problem with gay couples getting this same civil ceremony??
My wife and I were married by a JP too. On a cruise ship!
Religion is just an illusionary wrapper of pseudo-legitimacy over pure bigotry.
I am a minister in the Church of Beer and legally married 2 friends many moons ago in a local National Park.
Apple, dude, you were married on The Love Boat??
How cool is *that*?
my fiance and i have a friend that is a real sea captain. we're thinking of getting a 3-person kayak and rowing a mile out and having him marry us.
Akira, yep, it was really fun! Jamaica, Mexico, the Caymans....awesome, highly recommended for the cash inequality burdened couple. (gay or straight of course!) No fuss, no muss.
Bootyfunk, that is a great idea. Make her wear a gown though...
Why not go to Uganda for your perverted ceremony. Uganda knows how to deal with your kind. Qu eers the people who gave the world AIDS.
p alert, that's very Christian of you to be so mean. And so wrong.
pervert alert is a dope
@mama k "Equal civil rights."
=>What is, and what is not, a civil right is determined by society. That is the definition of a civil right:
A civil right is an enforceable right or privilege, which if interfered with by another gives rise to an action for injury. Examples of civil rights are freedom of speech, press, and assembly; the right to vote; freedom from involuntary servitude; and the right to equality in public places
Marriage between a man and a woman IS a civil right.
Marriage between a person and several persons (polygamy), between an adult and a child, and between to persons of the same gender are (by definition) NOT civil rights, because they are not enforceable rights or privileges, which if interfered with by another gives rise to an action for injury
What a stupid post. Civil rights, by your own definition, are defined by society. Yes, society should make gay marriage a civil right because it's unfair not to make it a civil right. Just because you choose to drive a red car instead of a blue car doesn't mean you get to tell other people that they can't choose to drive a blue car. You get to choose whom to marry, so don't tell others that they can't choose whom to marry. How hypocritical to want a freedom you do not want others to have.
Unfortunately for you, Chard, what is or is not a civil right changes. Even if it isn't currently a civil right for those of the same gender to marry, it is likely the courts will rule on the matter eventually, and when they do, the ruling is more than likely going to reflect the atti tude of the majority of people in this country. Doesn't bode well for Christian zealots like you.
With every post, Chard sounds more and more like a scared little boy whose world-view is crumbling all around him. All the nonsense he believes is becoming irrelevant. Must be terrifying for him.
Chad: [ Marriage between a man and a woman IS a civil right.
Marriage between a person and several persons (polygamy), between an adult and a child, and between to persons of the same gender are (by definition) NOT civil rights, because they are not enforceable rights or privileges, which if interfered with by another gives rise to an action for injury ]
Chad – how is traditional marriage enforceable as a right any different than gay marriage enforceable as a right in a state that already allows gay marriage?
“We inherited these principles and these freedoms and we here highly resolve that we shall pass them on, as we will pass on an undivided Republic purged of racism and slavery, to our descendants. The popgun discharges of a few pathetic sectarians and crackpot revisionists are negligible, and will be drowned by the mounting chorus that demands: 'Mr Jefferson! BUILD UP THAT WALL'.”
_ Christopher Hitchens He's the author of GOD IS NOT GREAT
“The Bible is not my book nor Christianity my profession.”
_ Abraham Lincoln, Speeches and Writings, 1832-1858
I’m an atheist, and a militant atheist when religion starts impacting on legislation.”
_ Daniel Radcliffe
i miss abe
oh Lord help me fix the problems in this nation to day
(The devil jumped out of a stump and this is what he said)
The problem is not of the nation but of the God of which you pray, for he condones such acts that you find to dismay
Who are you,
For give me were are my manors, some call me the Devil others call me Lucifer, but you can call me Sam
I am Abraham but my friends call me Abe.
(Sam) ahh yes I remember such a name a long time ago. From my younger days,..
Let me get to the point I come here to free your soul.
Don’t you mean steal,
Now why would I still something that only has value in you,…Tell me the problems that you face this day.
(Abe) you see in my nation people are treated as a commodity, they are abused malnutrition and treated unfairly.
You mean slavery
Yes, but I feel like you already knew, you said early that my god condones these things
Why yes your god puts value on ever life born, 5 peaces for men and only 3 for woman
He tells slaves to obey because their master works for him, and even tells you how to treat them if the don’t.
But what can I do if even God approves, I know this to be evil I just know not what to do.
Well you’re on the right track if you know it is wrong, you can be sure that I agree to.
But you are evil.–
Says a god who condones slavery,.. Good and evil is relative, it’s a matter of point of view
Then what can I do.
Think for your self, and put a plan into motion to free those in servitude. That is all you can do.
But you are the Devil a liar, how can I trust what you say?
I have not come here to tell you to trust in my words only trust in your own self to do what is right. Why else did I give Eve the apple?
But if I go against god I will be damned.
Ask your self are they worth the price you must pay.
Others lives are worth my sacrifice, But this will cause war.
No change is with out price blood must be spelt, for freedom to sound, even the last man I talked to; Thomas knew this
It feels like a heavy burden to bear
Doing what is right always is, but you must be strong and you must carry on.
Then you have your answer. And I will be on my way
…Wait! Are you not going to help me?
Only humans can help humans, if I were to intervene it would not be freedom but tyranny. Trust in your self to do what is rights make plans and build towers to reach the heavens. My job is to just inspire..
Hitchens has been burning in hell for how long now? I think nearly a year. There has never been a more caustic or hateful man than Hitchens who was profoundly unhappy and was addicted to booze and cigarettes.
Why don't you talk to his christian brother about where Christopher is..
Afraid to find out that your hell doesn't exist? Your place in your delusions has come to an end. Be thankful that we are freeing you from your stupidity and fears. XD
You're not freeing me from anything. God is real, and Hitchens knows that now. And whose the "we" you are talking about? You are in the minority. Ha!
"You are in the minority".. really? And we bother you with so few a number. XD
Fortunately your evil god and his chamber of tourture don't exist.
Evangelical, you know that CH is in hell conclusively...how?
There has never been a more caustic or hateful man than Evangelical who was profoundly unhappy and was addicted to his own deluded brand of religion.
"Evangelical", you claim that Hitchens is in your Christian hell. Let's look at that. So then your god actually thinks that torture forever is fair punishment for Hitchens merely speaking out eloquently and sincerely during his short mortal life, in a way that points out the absurdities and evil of your religion of hate.
Seriously, such a deity, frankly, could accurately be termed an ass hole, and would be convicted of human rights abuses by any reasonable modern court.
So, take your god ass hole tales and shove them into sad history where they belong. America will be a better place when it finally puts Christianity behind it, much as humanity has with so many other god myths.
Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement. Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
Bob: brilliantly stated, if rather bluntly. Thanks.
the Christians god is the great @ssh0l3 in the sky
God made me repulsive, but here I am and I am good.
God made me too, and from my perspective, I am good.
If there is a god, he is responsible for all things.
He loves me and much as the dead babies!
Hi loves me and dope too man.
That ol' boy loves me and my tiny pecker.
Thank you God!
He loves us, praise god and give him our money!
He loves me honey, now give it a little more poop.
It's ok god, we weren't all that hungry anyway.
Here's to you God! Cheers!
God made me a Hermaphrodite. Some of you humans too! It must be cool then.
Because he really loves us.
Hey, everyone loves a challenge. Thanks God!!
And here's to god's wonderful allergies that make you swell up and suffocate. The beauty of God's design!
Thanks for keeping me so busy big fella!!
God made us stupid but he loves us too.
I am not all that pleased to be honest with you.
It's ok great wise one, we don't mind hell. What can you do?
Hey you "the world will end soon" losers .. today is the 1st of December!
Another 21 more days til you fall flat on your faces in shame. XD
It was my contention in an earlier post that this date does not represent the end of the world , but the beginning of the end of the stranglehold religion has on our government and lives. Maybe the GOP will cave and sign the deal on that day. Maybe it's the day we start making our country whole again from the great harm that has been done by religion. We need it. Here's the math, and a nice quote.
“Countries with a high percentage of nonbelievers are among the freest, most stable, best-educated, and healthiest nations on earth. When nations are ranked according to a human-development index, which measures such factors as life expectancy, literacy rates, and educational attainment, the five highest-ranked countries - Norway, Sweden, Australia, Canada, and the Netherlands - all have high degrees of nonbelief. Of the fifty countires at the bottom of the index, all are intensly religious. The nations with the highest homicide rates tend to be more religious; those with the greatest levels of gender equality are the least religious. These associations say nothing about whether atheism leads to positive social indicators or the other way around. But the idea that atheists are somehow less moral, honest, or trustworthy have been disproven by study after study.”
_ Greg Graffin
great quote. and true.
atheists also have a lower rate of divorce and a lower prison rate. guess being an atheist means you're a better person... woohoo!
Nietodarwin – you rock.
ALL YOU PEOPLE OF RELIGION We are a secular nation. You have freedom OF religion, you don't have a right to deny us freedom FROM religion.
What nation are you in? In America we were founded by Christians for Christians.
In the U.S. we were founded by Leprechauns for Leprechauns. Get out of our fields of clover!
"If you ain't green, we be mean!"
I'm sorry, "truth be told", but your assertion is a falsehood. The United States of America was not founded on the Christian religion. Using my Idiomatic Expression Equivalency module (IEE), the expression that best matches the degree to which your assertion may represent a truth is: "EPIC FAIL".
No Religion = Freedom
Freedom = Moral
Moral = Goodness
Goodness = No Religion
How are you today you sane fvck? Lol
Oh I am fucked up as usual. How are you? What is up for you today? We did not get to finish our First Life conversation...
Oh, I am doing generally groovy, Apple.
How do you get the word 'fvck' yo go through?
My youngest and I are going to have a girl's day out: shopping and dinner.
The hubs is playing poker with the boys tonight...and no, we didn't finish our conversation; the page changed. Dammit.
I am watching college football, the wife and kids are going for dim sum. Lazy rainy day.
As far as fuck, do you know HTML at all? You have to place and empty tag in the middle of the word. I use the deprecated b tag (gold tag). So you open and close the tag with no content right in the middle of the word.
I meant bold, not gold.
This might help: http://www.plus2net.com/html_tutorial/bold-tag.php
Open and close the tag, nothing inside. for fuck, you might type fu (then put in your open/close b tag) ck.
oops, slash come in front of last 'b' not behind... *sigh*
Yes, the second example by ER is perfect.
Type fuck like this, but with no spaces: f u c k. Remember no spaces anywhere, I had to put them in to prevent the tags from being recognized. Works with any nasty word, just insert those seven characters somewhere within the word, usually just before or after the vowel.
Aw, shit. The tags got recognized even with the spaces. But ER has it right up above. He figured out how to prevent the tags from being recognized.
Thanks, I'll try it, people.
I will also look that up, because I wanna know cool stuff like that...I'm wired that way.
akira, its just HTML. A good place to start might be: http://w3schools.com/html/default.asp
And if you want shit both in bold and italicized: shit, you can type it as: <b><i>sh</i><i$#62;it</i></b>.
Note that in this case, I chose to use the italic off, then on tags to interrupt the naughty word, and in that order so that italic would be left on for the rest of the word.
OK – I will try that again – it obviously had a typo:
And if you want shit both in bold and italicized: shit, you can type it as: <b><i>sh</i><i>it</i></b>.
Here's the weird thing. If you interrupt the word with just a close-bold tag alone it'll post fine, but you'll get the dreaded "further review" notification. It's like you dodge the filter, but not quite completely. Anybody want to take a crack at explaining that?
Athy, I noticed that too. I don't know why but it is safe to assume it is just how the script is written (poorly).
You said, "If you interrupt the word with just a close-bold tag alone it'll post fine, but you'll get the dreaded "further review" notification. It's like you dodge the filter, but not quite completely."
The posts with a "further review" notification are only visible to whoever posted it. They don't "post fine". ;)
WordPress blogs have 2 layers of filtering. They both work in a similar fashion by scouring posts for words or fragments that are considered improper. This list is created and maintained by the blog owners, not WordPress.
The first filter is one for moderation. It places flagged posts in a queue for the blog owner to review and either approve or deny. The second simply sends them into the trash without ever being displayed or sent for review.
I suspect that the moderators of the Belief blog have tried to do something to prevent circumvention of the filters by placing opening and closing tags in the filter lists. The lists may only accept single tags and not complete ones.
I see. Thanks. That sort of makes sense. I tried a close-bold tag alone in a non-dirty word and it posted OK without the notice. Seems like a kludgy filter, but what do you expect, eh?
you mean i can actually say the worse word in cnn Filter
Jesus was a "vagrant"
Wow, technology has set you free! Just don't abuse it.
Hey the Mr. "Atheists get out" IT'S NOT YOUR COUNTRY. IT'S NOT A CHRISTIAN COUNTRY. WE ARE A SECULAR NATION
“Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man.”
_ Thomas Jefferson
It's in their mind only. Thankfully reality is harsh enough for them to be rejected on that claim of "it's our christian nation".
your a damned liar! get the hell out and take all your f@ggot friends with you
It's "you're," not "your." Written like a typical true believer with a fifth-grade education.
Plug those ears... scream louder at the real words. XD
So hilarious to hear you feeble minded religious tools rant on.
@Atheists get out – "my country"??? LOL LOL. Good luck with that.
(This must be Dr. Evangelical's little hunchback "helper".)
Can someone explain why the god of the old testament hid himself from the other 99.9% of humanity and chose a tiny group of semiliterate sheepherders to reveal himself to? How many hundreds of millions of people died in ignorance of this "god" because he chose to hide himself?
simplest answer ever: god never existed in the first place.
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