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Gay rights activists hold hands in protest in front of the Mormon Temple in Salt Lake City, Utah, in July 2009.
December 6th, 2012
03:07 PM ET

Mormon website embraces LGBT community

By Dan Merica, CNN

(CNN)–The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, which has fought against same-sex marriage throughout the United States, launched a website on Thursday that preaches understanding and compassion for the gay and lesbian community.

The website “Love One Another: A Discussion on Same-Sex Attraction” www.mormonsandgays.org, outlines the church's position on “same-sex attraction” and provides readers with a host of videos from “church members who are attracted to people of the same sex, and conversations with the loved ones of gay spouses, children, or grandchildren who are dealing with the effects of same-sex attraction in their own lives.”

The website comes at a time that some same-sex marriage activists believe the LDS Church is toning down its opposition to same sex marriage.

Though the church’s doctrine, that sex should be reserved only for a married man and woman, has not changed the church says, many outside the church say the church is subtly but unmistakably growing friendlier toward the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community, including voicing support for some gay rights.

Some pointed to the less public role in same-sex marriage ballot initiatives in 2012, a marked departure from earlier ballot initiatives fights – like Proposition 8 in California – where the church vocally supported the move to get same-sex marriage banned.

Gay rights activists see Mormons softening attitudes toward their community

“What we do know is that the doctrine of the Church—that sexual activity should only occur between a man and a woman who are married—has not changed and is not changing," Elder Dallin H. Oaks of the Church’s Quorum of the Twelve Apostles said in a news release from the church about the new site.

"But what is changing and what needs to change is to help our own members and families understand how to deal with same-gender attraction,” he said.

The new website echos Oaks that this is not a doctrinal change but does recognize that people who are gay can be practicing members of the church.

“Reconciling same-sex attraction with a religious life can present an especially trying dilemma,” reads the website. “Anyone who lives in both worlds can attest to its difficulty. But with faith, love and perspective it can be done. Every human being, Latter-day Saints affirm, has worth and dignity as a child of God.”

Violation of the church's teaching on sexual relationships can lead to excommunication. Since gay people cannot be married in the church, any sex for them would be premarital and, therefore, sinful. Under these beliefs, a member of the LGBT community could be a practicing Mormon, as long as they are celibate.

LDS Church policy also notes if gay members, "are worthy and qualified in every other way, they may also hold temple recommends and receive temple ordinances," allowing them to participate in temple ceremonies.

“The distinction between feelings or inclinations on the one hand, and behavior on the other hand, is very clear,” the church’s website says. “It’s no sin to have inclinations that if yielded to would produce behavior that would be a transgression. The sin is in yielding to temptation. Temptation is not unique. Even the Savior was tempted.”

The site goes on to say, "From a public relations perspective it would be easier for the Church to simply accept homosexual behavior. That we cannot do, for God’s law is not ours to change."

In one video on the site a man identified as Kelly, begins to tear up when he talks about his family and why it was important for him not to leave the church.

“Family is very important to me. That was one of the things that helped get me to come back to the Church,” Kelley, whose last name was never given, said. “I couldn’t imagine living an eternity without my mom and dad. And so I knew I needed to change and do something different. Because even though I felt happy and felt content at the time, there was a huge hole that I was afraid of losing my family.”

Mormons believe that family relationships survive after death, as long as individuals live in accordance with the teachings of Jesus Christ. The practice – called sealing – “refers to the joining together of a man and a woman and their children for eternity,” according to the church.

– CNN’s Jessica Ravitz contributed to this report.


soundoff (445 Responses)
  1. lionlylamb

    Righteousness in the governances of any nation's law-abiders tabulations tends to ever conflict with the natured pre-ambled venerations of once chaliced domineering and effectually driven cloisters of an age soon forgotten and judgmentally dismissed by many folds of future variegated socialisms. Who among us really knows what styled premonitions the governance of the first-rooted molders of once solemn declarations really had on their mindset and were they aptly abled to foresee unto our now times ages?

    Did such wise and abled governances of so long ago really so rightly rationalize their futuristic nation's preclusions of sedentary "volumnistic" precursors in a sublime commonwealth stance of sublimated worthiness leading to righteous submissions of regulated governing for the socially contained welfares of today's slumming economic timeline?

    Does our futures look brighter based upon the causations of prime-factored prenuptials of long forgotten folks who dared to envision their nation's future upon a time such as ours are now in? Federal debts are thru the roof! The economy all but in shambles! The plights of many folks do live in earnest meager means and are just floating above the poverty line of watered down welfare!

    Where then is hope to so be found? Whose trusting decanter can the people throw their money within? Will the debts of Federalism sink the Bismarck and then shoot holes in all its lifeboats leaving all to sink or swim upstream without the means and ways to stay afloat of living in their once civilized but now unknowable natures due in most parts by the fiscally unsure commonwealth of being monetarily insecure?

    December 6, 2012 at 10:42 pm |
    • mama k

      Well don't forget to vote!

      December 6, 2012 at 10:43 pm |
  2. lionlylamb

    Only the Holy Spirit remains being Holy. All other physicality's lamenting or mourning attributes are as sinful prides. The flesh is incarnate and found guilty of consuming in every imaginable décor that the bodies dare need. Nourishments are not needed by God, the Holy Spirit who is the Nothingness that reaches outwardly and inwardly and even above and below and around and about.

    To deny Nothingness being the Holy Spirit as God is like saying one's will is more physical than spiritual! The generalist nature of many people is to deny God the Nothingness that is God. Nothingness holds all things together and does not consume things as all things made manifest do so do. The consuming nature of all living endowments does convict all mannerism of the living.

    It is also true that humanists deny themselves the Godly internments in favors more palatable to one's thoughts. We would all rather be anointed with pagan ritualism than look inwardly toward that which one's will does tell us in truth's own undeniable wordage. We play out our lives as being in needs yet know not what our will's needs truly are.

    We idolize one's self and our families' and brethren's ways and do forsake and give no sound measures toward the Holy Spirit being the God who is Nothingness. I do so make my repentant will to be well known to others who then do hold such actions against me! Where then is humanist justice to be found when everyone makes rudeness wordage to my tenured beliefs? Justice by others is blinded and in blindness all will ever so be against my willed convictions!

    December 6, 2012 at 10:32 pm |
    • James Thacklebury

      May I ask if you think you are being poetical or something by writing like that? It embarasses me that you are a Christian and not some brain-fried atheist hippy oddballl.

      December 6, 2012 at 10:39 pm |
  3. lionlylamb

    "I will not give in to God!" are the ungodly and godless standings even though they tend to belittle and make hugely their small talking spheres of jubilation's tenured acquittals. A pig knows only how to root and make ruts searching the grounds for needed nourishments. Are we all not but human pigs rooting for our emotionally centered source codes for to live out in desires wants for extending our foolish life and livelihoods to ever nourish our own foretelling fraught needs?
    .

    December 6, 2012 at 10:19 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      No. We're not. Prove otherwise. Try to make sense. Oh, wait. It's you, you buffoon. Never mind.

      December 6, 2012 at 10:20 pm |
  4. lionlylamb

    Like I said in other posts, we are all born from sin and sinfulness of the flesh lain within the physically consuming or edible contorting constraints of nowadays thought of as being abiotic nuances but are in my view; essences of life; formed in the absences of nothing out of nothingness in ways many simple minds might never fathom. Therefore, I stand fixed in saying that the Holy Spirit is a God whose body is the vast Seas of absolute Nothingness and this Holy Spirit holds creation and all creation-made manifestations ever within its seas and lakes and rivers and streams of nothingness. To deny this is to be as an immovable objective placard with no sense worthiness of being read.

    December 6, 2012 at 10:09 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      "edible contorting constraint"? Idiot, explain what you mean by this dreck.

      December 6, 2012 at 10:19 pm |
    • Akira

      Perhaps YOU believe YOU were born a sinner by a sinful act, but that is a totally absurd statement.
      Babies are born innocent. Period.
      It's the sh!t that gets dumped in their heads later that completely fvck them up.
      Laying a giant guilt trip on a kid because he was born is just ridiculous.

      December 6, 2012 at 10:33 pm |
  5. lionlylamb

    Thusly does righteous civilized facsimiles abbreviate tenderly upon long forgotten issues of fatherly intensions meant to be applauded way back when and duly denied and verily forgotten of nowadays! We are living amid a day and age of once bitten frugally lent harborages of long ago gestated fatherly rent lavishness. Alas should we ever tender in our faltering forgetfulness means toward many elder generations once gleamed and garnished intellectual gestations as being mere melodramatic essences of tawdry told, elderly hung uncivil racialism?

    December 6, 2012 at 10:00 pm |
    • James Thacklebury

      You have the worst writing I have even seen. I really don't think it helps our Christian position to write like that.

      December 6, 2012 at 10:36 pm |
  6. lionlylamb

    The levers of malicious mal-contentment are duly found and laboriously tempered within and upon the tyrannical individualist’s servile mindset, never to no more tread willingly, the revelers tirades usurped by many and so the cultist nationalist movements are ever to be marked, tried and convicted by its deeds so then done.

    December 6, 2012 at 9:57 pm |
    • Rational Libertarian

      See Tom, clearly either a complete troll or a deranged lunatic.

      December 6, 2012 at 9:59 pm |
    • mama k

      Well, it could be both.

      December 6, 2012 at 10:07 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Could be a poe, a loony, or a troll. Don't care; regardless, he's an azzhole, and I intend to keep on calling him on it.

      December 6, 2012 at 10:18 pm |
    • mama k

      It sounds like someone who just happened to be reading Thoreau when he was bitten by a rabid dog; and somehow survived.

      December 6, 2012 at 10:22 pm |
    • Observer

      lionlylamb could carry on an intelligent conversation, but prefers to amuse himself under the delusion that anyone is impressed. What a sad waste.

      December 6, 2012 at 10:23 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Well, Observer, it WOULD be sad if it weren't so amusing-watching LL stomp around like Rumpelstiltskin when anyone requests an explanation of his blabber is quite funny.

      December 6, 2012 at 10:26 pm |
  7. there is no other truth but truth absolute, and truth absolute is LORD AND GOD OF THE WORLD.

    Sunni marriage is a convent between shepherd and his male goat, not between gay dog and a gay goat, Salahf ism gay ism, filthy love ism, way of mullah's ignorant s to please their Taliban student s soul, filthy desire like animals. Yuk.

    December 6, 2012 at 9:12 pm |
  8. lionlylamb

    People tend to dispute and become riled up and write sarcasms of ill will towards one and others who write their yearning’s desires to be so heard in hoping’s way. Others may find fond clement weather in the wordage of one’s domiciled fruition. The gingered bred saliencies do ever make revealing the melding of conditioned duplicities. Love seems no more the conquered or even for conquests except for the young of heart’s treasuring needs.

    Be ever so kind to others’ words if one so can do this season of rent and Lent homages bargaining days. Love, Peace and make fondness farewells one and all wherever one is to be found here or even over there and make friendships rather than showing unfriendly ways and means under one’s belts. Peace is seldom the fondness yet is always wantonness and Love is the treasures for all to take leavened umbrages upon without flailing one’s wordage toward indecent measures.

    December 6, 2012 at 8:49 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Oh, brother. Why do you bother with this crap?

      December 6, 2012 at 8:51 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      TTPS,

      It's a living! :-)

      December 6, 2012 at 9:05 pm |
    • Akira

      "It's a living"?
      No wonder you're perpetually broke.

      TT, it's a lost cause.
      The day a coherent post is made by him is the day you'll look out of your window and see a pig fly by.

      December 6, 2012 at 9:13 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      My Loves for many so people are sanctifications unending bemusing. Unfettered by the bonds that bind up; my wordage remains. Stilled and ever translucent are my words opulence ever made to shine forth upon God’s Holy Spirit being the great seas of absolute nothingness! His Holiness Spirit reaches beyond the above celestial abyss and fathoms ever inside the atomically told of measuring ways! Nothingness is Godliness and of Godly does Nothingness so hold all mannerisms’ materially made essences.

      December 6, 2012 at 9:16 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      No doubt, Akira. I am just puzzled by the nut's sudden reappearance here after his long absence. It makes me think he was probably in a psychiatric unit for some time and was only recently released. Perhaps said release from care was not wise.

      December 6, 2012 at 9:17 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      Hey Teets for pigs,

      I have other things to do then be ostracized and berated by peasants like you, you wicked witch of Belief Blog! Please for God's sake give your hubby his piglet's wiggler a good workout for Christ's sake and leave us folks who want to socialize in well meaning languages unlike the blowhard ilk your weaned hateful talents shine forth!

      December 6, 2012 at 9:42 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Nope. Get over it. If my posts bother you, either ignore them or leave, Loser Lame-o.

      December 6, 2012 at 9:45 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Loser Lame-o, you've previously made this claim that you have "other things to do." What are these other things? And why don't you fvcking go do them if you don't like reading what's posted here?

      Do you think anyone has an obligation to kiss your azz for bloviating here?

      December 6, 2012 at 9:47 pm |
    • Rational Libertarian

      Can't we all just get along, it is Christmas after all.

      December 6, 2012 at 9:51 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Pretty difficult to "get along" with some crazed bozo whose posts are unintelligible.

      December 6, 2012 at 9:55 pm |
    • Rational Libertarian

      You're rising to the bait Tom. LL is clearly either a troll or a deranged lunatic, neither of which bode well for an argument.

      December 6, 2012 at 9:58 pm |
    • Akira

      Ll, did you honestly just call TT pig t its??

      TT:
      I don't know much of the history of the people who post here; I haven't been here very long myself.
      He was here when I first started posting.

      December 6, 2012 at 10:12 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Not really rising to the bait. I'm simply throwing my line out there and hoping to hoist LL on his own petard. Or retard, as the case may be. I don't really care what LL thinks, if he does so at all, about anything. I simply want to see the little twerp explode.

      December 6, 2012 at 10:24 pm |
  9. Punky's Dilemma

    I was a temple-worthy, garment wearing, devout Mormon, who resigned my membership in 2004 because of the LDS church's opposition to gay marriage and their active politicking against rights for people who are gay. I have many friends that are gay and exmormon. You can be mormon and gay as long as you don't "act" gay? It's crazy. There is a reason why so many young gay mormon men die by suicide in Utah.

    Listen, it's not my business if the LDS church wants to change it's well-earned image on it presents on way it treats people who are LGBT. But for anyone who wants to know what's really going on, I have only two words: Prop 8. http://andrew-callahan.dailykos.com/

    December 6, 2012 at 8:17 pm |
    • lol??

      God is in charge of marriage, not any church or gubmint.

      December 6, 2012 at 8:23 pm |
    • lol??

      You can read about it in Genesis......, Make that false prophet and beast. You can read about it in Revelation.

      December 6, 2012 at 8:26 pm |
    • Observer

      Marriage is a LEGAL matter with optional religious involvement.

      December 6, 2012 at 8:28 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      Observer

      Facts don't matter to people like lol?? remember?

      December 6, 2012 at 8:29 pm |
    • there is no other truth but truth absolute, and truth absolute is LORD AND GOD OF THE WORLD.

      And GOD truth absolute they deny in their hindu gay ism, hind love ism.

      December 6, 2012 at 8:31 pm |
    • there is no other truth but truth absolute, and truth absolute is LORD AND GOD OF THE WORLD.

      Marriage is a convent between man and a woman, not between hindu gay man and a hindu gay man, hindu gay ism, filthy hind love ism, way of hindu's ignorant s to please their hindu soul, filthy desire like animals.

      December 6, 2012 at 8:34 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Say what? Marriage is a "convent"?

      Idiots like you an lol can yammer on about your beliefs concerning marriage till the cows come home and it will matter not a whit. Marriage isn't legal unless the state issues a license. And nobody gives a crap what your god or your church do; if you're in a court of law, only legal, state-licensed marriage matters.

      December 6, 2012 at 9:07 pm |
    • Rational Libertarian

      I second what Observer said.

      December 6, 2012 at 9:48 pm |
  10. there is no other truth but truth absolute, and truth absolute is LORD AND GOD OF THE WORLD.

    truth absolute, bunch of raw BS, I am trying to sell on internet, no one listen to me goons

    December 6, 2012 at 8:16 pm |
    • there is no other truth but truth absolute, and truth absolute is LORD AND GOD OF THE WORLD.

      Go to hind, hell hindu copy cat.

      December 6, 2012 at 8:38 pm |
    • there is no other truth but truth absolute, and truth absolute is LORD AND GOD OF THE WORLD.

      and I go to Daristan, gutter of the world

      December 6, 2012 at 9:00 pm |
  11. John Stefanyszyn

    What is the common belief between a"religious christian" and a gay person?
    .....the belief in freedom of self-rights.

    Both embrace their "freedom" to serve and justify their will for their interests.

    This is the mark of liberty on their forheads.

    This is the god of fortresses that each worships, for it supports and protects their way.

    XES...to serve and magnify onself.

    BUT it is Only Christ that will rule, and man will weep and will gnash his teeth in anger when "his way of self-will" will be ended.

    December 6, 2012 at 8:16 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      My Loves for many so people are sanctifications unending bemusing. Unfettered by the bonds that bind up; my wordage remains. Stilled and ever translucent are my words opulence ever made to shine forth upon God’s Holy Spirit being the great seas of absolute nothingness! His Holiness Spirit reaches beyond the above celestial abyss and fathoms ever inside the atomically told of measuring ways! Nothingness is Godliness and of Godly does Nothingness so hold all mannerisms’ materially made essences.

      December 6, 2012 at 9:02 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      The only people you love, LL, are figments of your fevered imagination. They're completely in awe of your incredible intellect, worship your 'creative' verbiage, and think you're a god. Unfortunately, they don't exist in reality.

      December 6, 2012 at 9:43 pm |
    • sam stone

      john......blah, blah, fvcking blah....christ is coming back, look busy......

      empty proxy threats......

      December 7, 2012 at 3:45 am |
  12. Charles

    To SL. YOU'VE apparently not done any research on Joseph Smith or the Mormon church. None of the members of the 12 apostles or Joseph Smith's first presidency ever denied the truthfulness of the teachings of Jesus Christ as revealed by Joseph Smith. And the bank that failed... it failed for many of the same reasons that the stock market crashed in 1929 and the biggest one is foolish investments.

    December 6, 2012 at 8:13 pm |
  13. GET DOG OR DIE TRYING

    my father, hindu cab driver, illegality is never of his right but only choice, criminality, go live with my filthy mother, mean in place of Sunni's, criminals Jail. She will love you and you can love her in your dream ism, absurdity called gay ism, filthy love ism. Spit on my Taliban face, goons, I am a human garbage from illegality, called Daristan, gutter of the world

    December 6, 2012 at 8:07 pm |
  14. ron

    "...God's law is not ours to change." Well, I seem to remember the church changed on the matter of it's denial of Blacks to the priesthood. I seem to remember the church changed "God's law" on polygamy. I can see how GLBT persons would be relieved at this "softer" stance. But the church is still denying them acceptance and equality in the church if they express who they are. I feel for gay people who are caught in this dilemma of having to choose between who they are and losing their church and family.

    December 6, 2012 at 7:58 pm |
    • Charles

      There is a difference between change of church policy and a change of God's law.

      December 6, 2012 at 8:16 pm |
    • Akira

      And none of that matters in civil law, which is what this country is ruled by.
      Don't want gay people getting in your church? Fine. Gay people accept that. It's when religion tries to legislate their beliefs into civil law that it turns ugly...and rightfully so.
      Keep religion out of civil law.
      Live your lives according to God's laws you like, but foisting them into civil, secular matters is wholly wrong, and should be defeated.
      Worry about your own salvation, and let others worry about theirs; it is not ANY church's business to try and legislate their beliefs into laws that affect people of all (or, conversely, no) faiths.

      December 6, 2012 at 8:43 pm |
  15. lionlylamb

    Many individuals, be they religious or not are plated placards and some are tainted filtrations while others are mere shadowy silhouettes. No one person should be clamoring upon another's backsides but ever gently raised up by the shoulders from another’s gentle hands to such heights as deemed dutifully wise, needed and cautiously conditioned. Goodness knows no boundaries yet many do not heed the goodly much less know such in others of who share unendingly their mindfully deeded austerities.

    The monotheistic self is what the gestations of ungodly and godless unwittingly portend they themselves to be in their hindsight’s mindset. They are their own gods so to profess and in their cu-mulative efforts they due themselves to conjoin and gather their piecemeal subjugates forsaking all goodly 'proprietaries' relatively and loosely based in rationed self-godly characterizations.

    December 6, 2012 at 7:51 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Whut the fvck is a "plated placard?"

      December 6, 2012 at 7:56 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      TTPS,

      A plated card or a card plated maybe with gold for the choices are open to one's guesses.

      December 6, 2012 at 8:09 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      In other words, you're just writing nonsense. Again.

      December 6, 2012 at 8:11 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      TTPS,

      Nonsense? Whose nonsense is the better sensed nonsense? Yours? Mine? Someone else's? Oh the piety of it all!

      December 6, 2012 at 8:18 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Idiot. I don't write nonsense.

      Again, why do you bother to type this tripe? Nobody can make sense of it. What is it you think you're conveying? Whatever it is, you're failing to make your point.

      December 6, 2012 at 8:55 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      TTPS,

      Why do you want to fraternize with me when you consider my wordage to be tripe? Do all a favor and get your hubby's piglet to s uck on awhile! God knows he'll love it!

      December 6, 2012 at 9:11 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Why don't you answer the question instead of attempting to derail the discussion?

      You don't like it when anyone questions your sanity based on your inane, nonsensical, ridiculous posts. If you don't have any purpose in posting, why take offense? If you do, why not post something intelligible? Or is that beyond your ken?

      December 6, 2012 at 9:13 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      Quit it with your always fvcking picking upon anybody and everyone you fvcking wicked witch of CNN Belief Blog! Go like I said and play with your hubby's inch long piglet wiggler! At least he might get a jolly romp from your blowhard skills usage!

      December 6, 2012 at 9:26 pm |
    • mama k

      Congrats, Tom – you've been bestowed a new title! And of course it's from the one whose wife has already served him a drink and washed all the snot out of his hankies, dried and put them away and prepared dinner by the time he as finished asking for the darn drink.

      December 6, 2012 at 9:31 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      You seem to have a real sore spot, LL. How many times do you have to read this to get it: if you don't want to be ridiculed, don't write ridiculous crap.

      Don't bother bloviating and having your little temper tantrum, honey. I'm immune.

      If you continue to write sh!t like you have been doing, I'll continue to lambaste you for it. Don't like it? Go back to the ward and get your Thorazine.

      December 6, 2012 at 9:32 pm |
    • mama k

      . . . he has . . .

      December 6, 2012 at 9:32 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Yeah, mama. LL wants to poop all over this site and have everyone kiss his hiney for doing so.

      December 6, 2012 at 9:34 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      I have as much rights to be here as any normal humane being does! Ditch it you bit ch for piglet weenies! If you can't understand my posts then quit fvcking reading them! There are many more posters here you can bushwack! This is the last response I will write to you no matter how many times you intend to make as s inine ridiculing against my posts of leisure concerns! Your still Belief Blogs wicked witch no matter how one slices it!

      December 6, 2012 at 9:51 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Of course you have a right to post your idiocy here. And I have just as much right to ridicule, question, and lambaste it as you do to post it, numbskull.

      As I said, either get over it or scram.

      December 6, 2012 at 9:52 pm |
    • poprhetor

      No, really, you're writing nonsense. You like words. You think they're fun. That's grrrreat. But if you want to use language for, oh I dunno, actual communication, then you need to make some adjustments. Masking a lack of substance behind opaque expression is an old trick, and no one worth convincing would fall for it.

      December 8, 2012 at 12:34 pm |
  16. Chadwitch

    "I contend we've both bitten off more than we can chew, I believe that just one societal behavior is proper. When you understand why I swallow, you will understand why you should dismiss all the other possible societal behaviors as being legitimate." - Somebody the Sailor

    December 6, 2012 at 7:44 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      Chadwitch,

      Society wants rules while the humanities want freedoms. Socialisms declare somber relevancies to be rationed yet nevertheless rules are made to be adhered toward and upon all classes’ potentials to be so willingly governed. The humaneness of governed humanities cohesive abundances will ever be the trails for mankind's people to follow. Humanities desires for s e x u a l I s t I c indemnifications are the resurrections of times long forgotten and nowadays held in meager preambles ongoing conditioning of dichotomies torn while the complacency of all told generations passes thru time to be the abolitionists contrite arbitrary routes to be lingered upon.

      December 6, 2012 at 8:05 pm |
  17. Proud

    I cannot believe that any sane Gay man or woman, or anyone else for that matter, would believe this Mornom garbage. Who cares what this, or any other bigoted church thinks. What we do care about is when they spend tens of millions of dollars on a direct attack on our fundamental human rights. I don't know what gay activists CNN is quoting, but I am shocked that any would fall for this. This is just a transparent PR attempt to reverse public attention and make them look understanding, instead of an organized hate group. Mormon church; you have reached a new low. Gay men; don't be desperate for approval and take ownership of your rights.

    December 6, 2012 at 7:33 pm |
    • Hiram

      Yep, Proud... you hit he nail squarely on its head.

      December 6, 2012 at 7:47 pm |
    • lol??

      Does Zane Grey qualify as anybody else?

      December 6, 2012 at 7:48 pm |
    • there is no other truth but truth absolute, and truth absolute is LORD AND GOD OF THE WORLD.

      hindu gay's filthy hind lover, hindu hind in pain, shafted by rod of truth.

      December 6, 2012 at 7:50 pm |
    • lol??

      "..................take ownership of your rights." Be sure and carry your insurance card, too. Keep it in the glove box.

      December 6, 2012 at 7:52 pm |
    • there is no other truth but truth absolute, and truth absolute is LORD AND GOD OF THE WORLD.

      spit on my face, spit on my country Daristan, gutter of the world, I am ashamed to be a muslim

      December 6, 2012 at 8:13 pm |
  18. Jonathan

    "Mormon website embraces LGBT community" is a terribly misleading headline. "Mormon website requires celibacy from LGBT community" would be clearer.

    December 6, 2012 at 7:31 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      Johnathan,

      Tender are the rose thistles and they p r I c k anyone who does come too close and does so brush against its thorniness gaiety prides. Likewise are the gay crowds who tend to deafen the hordes massing of mobbed religiosities never to ever more making not in skipping a beat! The gayness crowds do nowadays clamor upon all who they deem threatening to their ever unending civilities gay causes in their barrowed mindset. Equality of civil minded gay marriage is in the cards and their hand has here and nowadays been dealt a good hand!

      Bitter the once bitten case hardened uncivil debutants holding steadfast their now dying almost dead hands dealt against the gay player’s unbeatable civil hand. The last bets are now being made. Who will win the lastly pot's treasures? Who will lose the treasured pot’s civilities? Will all the players against the gay one fold or is there yet a dealt hand to still yet be worthy of being played? It comes down to one's will doesn't it? Whose conjoined wills are now the stronger of civility’s conquests? Always ones will. Ever are the wills’ partnerships to be evermore in saying, “Let it be done”! Amen!

      December 6, 2012 at 8:15 pm |
  19. Daniel

    Hmm...all you who can prove that the imaginary man in the sky exists are the ones who need to prove it. There is not nor ever has been any proof that this being exists. You only go off fairy tales told by ego-maniacal people to put fear in the minds of those they feel they can control. You are the ones who have everything to prove...

    December 6, 2012 at 7:29 pm |
    • Hiram

      The Mormons not only believe in an Imaginary Friend, but that he came from an Imaginary Planet (which they call Kolob), and that their Magic Underwear lets them speak directly to him.

      I have nothing against the LDS... but their Nonsense is nearly two Centuries old, and is even Sillier today than it was back then. It's little wonder they were run out of Civilized Society back then.

      December 6, 2012 at 7:56 pm |
    • Jp in Texas

      And I say to you... Prove that he doesn't exist. Unless you can do that, you have no business judging those of us who know God lives

      December 6, 2012 at 7:58 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Jp

      Gee, shifting the burden of proof. How original of you.

      December 6, 2012 at 7:59 pm |
    • Chadwitch

      How do you know, Jp? I don't need the answer to that. You do.

      December 6, 2012 at 8:00 pm |
    • lol??

      Daniel sayz, "........You are the ones who have everything to prove.." Prove it.

      December 6, 2012 at 8:04 pm |
    • Jp in Texas

      Please explain why I have the buden of proof. If you say there is no God, why are you exempt from proving that? It's called hypocrisy. Own it,

      December 6, 2012 at 8:05 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Jp

      I don't see anyone on this particular thread stating that your god does not exist. By the way, which god are you talking about? There's so many it's hard to know which one people are talking about.

      December 6, 2012 at 8:07 pm |
    • sam stone

      jp: how do you go about proving something doesn't exist?

      can you prove leprechauns don't exist?

      December 7, 2012 at 3:49 am |
  20. Russ

    Lets see, Mormons promote unity, service, kindness, education, trust, loyalty, famiily, hardwork, wholesome fun and morality. And they do this as kindly and consistenly as anyone on earth. Shame on them for promoting so much good...

    December 6, 2012 at 7:24 pm |
    • John

      That's not all they promote, but I know you know this... They promoted MItt Romney and I wouldn't say that was a good thing.

      December 6, 2012 at 7:34 pm |
    • SL

      You've apparently not done any research on Joseph Smith or the Mormon church. You can go do your own research, but allow me to fill in a blank. Joseph Smith started a bank for his Church and tanked it much to the dismay of his members. At the time 6 of the people on his 'council of 12' said he was a con and the church was false; Joseph removed them from the holy council of 2 and got new people who wouldn't challenge him. This is just 1 episode of the con artists life, his legacy continues.. seems Romney is cut from the same cloth.

      December 6, 2012 at 7:37 pm |
    • Max

      Well said. I'm not sure what John is thinking, but the church didn't endorse anyone for president. I think I would know since I live 5 miles from church headquarters and I'm a practicing Mormon.

      December 6, 2012 at 7:47 pm |
    • the AnViL

      they also promote themselves into political discourse – and should lose their tax-exempt status because of it.

      they also promote the nullification of equality guaranteed in the c o n s t i t u t i o n – and that's a flat fact.

      there is not one single secular reason to deny same-s e x marriages.

      maybe the mormons should teach about equality and how it relates to the c o n s t i t u t i o n in their elders quorum and relief society meetings on sundays.

      !

      December 6, 2012 at 8:15 pm |
    • lol??

      Max sayz, ".......I'm a practicing Mormon." Attorneys, win or lose, take yer money, practicing. Doctors, you live or die, take yer money, practicing. Are you claiming to be a Professional Mormon?

      December 6, 2012 at 8:16 pm |
    • religion&politics

      Max is not claiming to be a "professional" Mormon, he's claiming to be one who actually goes to church. I know this is a foreign concept for many other denominations, whose parishioners only go to church twice a year and are still considered fully practicing members. If, as a Mormon, you don't show up to church regularly, you're not considered an "active" member, and those are the people who often don't follow the church's teaching nor know what the heck they're talking about when it comes to beliefs, etc...

      December 7, 2012 at 2:31 am |
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